B.C. First Nations ban moose hunt after wildfires destroy habitats

[East Van Ray]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/moose-hunt-bc-1.4812605

Fires have also opened up more access for hunters, statement says

Two First Nations governments in the B.C. Interior are joining together to ban all limited-entry hunting for moose in their respective territories, while accusing the province of not taking effective action to protect the animals.The Tsilhqot'in Nation and Southern Dakelh Nation Alliance say in a joint statement that this year's record-breaking wildfires have made struggling moose populations in the region even more vulnerable.



​?Esdilagh First Nation partners with conservation officers to enforce ban on moose hunting (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/esdilagh-first-nation-partners-with-conservation-officers-to-enforce-ban-on-moose-hunting-1.4714737)



The fires have drastically reduced high-value habitat for the animals, while creating thousands of access routes for hunters and predators.


The First Nations say the situation is so dire that many locals are choosing not to exercise their Aboriginal rights to hunt moose and are going without their main source of winter food.
"When our moose suffer, our people suffer," Chief Betty Cahoose wrote in the statement.



'Ecosystems are unravelling': Another B.C. caribou herd could be lost forever (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-mountain-caribou-1.4635865)


They say that while the provincial government continues to issue limited-entry hunting permits, they are asking all hunters to respect the ban they're imposing on their territories.

The provincial government could not immediately be reached for comment.

[Russell]

https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/news/local-news/first-nations-groups-initiate-moose-hunting-ban-1.23422970


I'm still going moose hunting region 7 this year, might be the last with our gutless bunch of politicians running this gong show.

[srupp]

Talked with government of BC..moose hunt east of Fraser river STILL open.
Indians demand otherwise..grrr
Steven

[fozzy]

Where does a person find an accurate map of the area they propose to close?
will the BC wildlife branch send out notices of closures to those people who’s draws are affected?

[Sharpish]

They can't close it guys .. there are too many roads .. they might blockade a few easy target roads but most of the road network is used by all sorts of people and they can't stop people. Best they can do is an 'information session' type blockade.

[sumonda]

Moose? no I'm here for Mulies.

[IronNoggin]

I'm still going moose hunting region 7 this year, might be the last with our gutless bunch of politicians running this gong show.

Rolling in the morning to Region 7...
Two BC Rednecks, and two Hunter-Hosted Albertan Rednecks.
300 mags all round, and around half a bazillion rounds for them.
What could possibly go wrong?? :twisted:

Cheers,
Nog

[KimberKid]

Closed for all groups or can they still hunt Moose in the 'banned' region? If they are allowed to do this, all LEH Moose hunts from this point on are at risk..

[Jelvis]

Iron don't get too excited, I can feel the vibes over the line, whoa, your ready.
Jel -- When you step out, they'll fall to their knees brah --

[East Van Ray]

Not sure if this is accurate ... take a look ... https://cfjctoday.com/article/635521/first-nations-announce-moose-hunt-ban

[abbyfireguy]

Good luck to our police forces keeping the peace.
This is just bad timing.
Why wait till now to announce closures?
So many have got lots invested in their hunts.Our moose draws are not in effected regions,but what’s to stop renegade FN from flexing their supposed muscles elsewhere.
If they want to close the region to moose then close it.
The rest of the population will not sit still if FN folks continue to moose hunt ,not for one second!

[LYKTOHUNT]

Where does a person find an accurate map of the area they propose to close?
will the BC wildlife branch send out notices of closures to those people who’s draws are affected?
Take a look at a map of BC and add 10%

[Darksith]

Closed for all groups or can they still hunt Moose in the 'banned' region? If they are allowed to do this, all LEH Moose hunts from this point on are at risk..

"Many locals will choose not to hunt moose this year"
Many not all, choose not be told, they may unchoose to hunt moose, or choose to do it in January instead. Time to manage wildlife properly, and bring all parties into regulated hunting.

The government calculates that say 70% of the harvest will go to first nations...well sounds like they have a number in their formula to determine how many LEH get used. Time for mandatory reporting for all FN hunters, this will allow more accurate counts on harvest rates rather than simple uneducated guesses

[popper]

And how are they going to enforce this ban? Blockades at gun point?

[quarterman]

Unless our government tells me I cant go then Im going, I dont care If Indians dont want me hunting. It wouldnt be wise for them to get in the way. Im sick of the indians whinning because we have some draws when they shoot everything with a heartbeat all year round

[bchunter181]

"Many locals will choose not to hunt moose this year"
Many not all, choose not be told, they may unchoose to hunt moose, or choose to do it in January instead. Time to manage wildlife properly, and bring all parties into regulated hunting.

The government calculates that say 70% of the harvest will go to first nations...well sounds like they have a number in their formula to determine how many LEH get used. Time for mandatory reporting for all FN hunters, this will allow more accurate counts on harvest rates rather than simple uneducated guesses



exactly what i was thinking.this all has to end 1 rule for all.put everyone on a leh or regs if the FN are so upset about the moose population than time to lead by example! other than just stopping others.

[browningboy]

2nd nations will kick their ass, enough of the bs and time to move on! I know if it happened in my area we would hunt anyway, what do these walnuts think their doing

[bcsteve]

We have our LEH in 6-1. We’ll be monitoring this closely.

[KimberKid]

"Many locals will choose not to hunt moose this year"
Many not all, choose not be told, they may unchoose to hunt moose, or choose to do it in January instead. Time to manage wildlife properly, and bring all parties into regulated hunting.

The government calculates that say 70% of the harvest will go to first nations...well sounds like they have a number in their formula to determine how many LEH get used. Time for mandatory reporting for all FN hunters, this will allow more accurate counts on harvest rates rather than simple uneducated guesses

I agree completely. There is no reason why they shouldn't report every animal they kill so that we can use that information. The government should then begin to make a fair and equal system so that everything is equal, but I doubt the NDGreens will do anything but hurt us 'foreign' hunters.

[Island Idiots]

The FN will never go for self reporting unless they are forced into it. The idea of applying the same laws to them as us is repugnant. The best way to gain ground on this issue is to continue to hunt LEH right under their noses, and in their faces.

I would suggest that hunters put together a volunteer escort group to escort LEH hunters to their areas and ensure their free access and protect their hunt ensuring they get to harvest an animal as the laws allow.

This would bring them to the table, in my opinion. The point being that the only way to ensure your concerns are being addressed is to come to the table with the mind set to share in the recovery basis on an equal basis, one law for all.

[Rod]

It’s time to start taking pictures of any FN abuse of good conservation practices and posting them online so the general public can see how these self described “stewards of the land” treat game animals. There are enough of us out there and with smartphones we basically all have a handy way to get photographic evidence....

[sawmill]

And how are they going to enforce this ban? Blockades at gun point?

In a word, yes.

[BgBlkDg]

If, an indian points a gun at me, have had my tower shot at by some in AB, years ago, I WILL shoot back, no question.

[Jelvis]

Don't want to go hunting with thee intent in heart of being confrontational, this wood not be wise in anyway, Your trying to enjoy your hunt and see the Outdoors, not end up in Matsqui cell.
Jel -- think first b4 you go out, if I see someone who try's to block me on a fsr, I will turn around b4 I get to the block so I don't need to confront these strangers?
----------------Just like lots of things you can choose to do, you can drive by the Bar, you don't have to go in every bar you drive by? :oops:

[bchunter181]

The nation has now signed a memorandum of understanding with the conservation officer service aimed at preserving the population in its traditional lands, which lie between Quesnel and Williams Lake, B.C.
Conservation officers will now be able to enforce the community's restriction that prohibits the harvesting of cow moose for ?Esdilagh First Nation membership inside their traditional territory.
"There is going to be a penalty," said Stump, adding that it's yet to be decided what the penalties will be.
"Our people have spoken and they want us to go through with this."





am i reading this right they gave the COs permission to enfore FN band members from shooting cows?

[bchunter181]

In the end, it’s going to be the nation picking up the pieces from the fallout of B.C.’s mismanagement of moose,” Alphonse said. “We welcome all other First Nations to join us in this effort.”
The announcement comes a week after the government announced closures and restrictions to several limited-entry moose hunts in the Chilcotin this fall.



so the FN say in the article that the bc government has done nothing. but than it says that the announcement comes after the bc government put leh restrictions out.give the FN a inch they take a mile.Now knowing we have a no backbone government they are thinking hey lets just ban the whole moose hunting.Sad thing is i slowly see where this is going and am scared my son will have no hunting rights at all.

[325]

Personally, I think the First Nations claims that they are banning moose hunting out of concern for dwindling moose populations is disingenuous. If they were really so concerned, they would have stopped slaughtering pregnant cow moose years ago. But they haven’t.

I think this is all about their resentment towards white hunters.

[Jelvis]

=-ll----> "Alphonse basically gave the C.O.s permission to patrol his monster territory and look for poachers of moose. By the sounds of it."
Jel -- Alphonse is one guy you don't mess with by the looks of it! His relations also Willy Alphonse Jr. is a heroe to many Indians in BC interior.
------------ Someone with computer skills can put on thee Willy Alphonse Jr. case on this thread and it will clear a lot of assumptions up real fast like.
No one willy do it tho, tells the whole story right to the and including the last page? You willy see clearly after reading the final conclusion.
----------- People that stand up for the weak are my heroes -- people that take a stand -- dig in, start throwin -- ------------------------------

[325]

=-ll----> "Alphonse basically gave the C.O.s permission to patrol his monster territory and look for poachers of moose. By the sounds of it."
Jel -- Alphonse is one guy you don't mess with by the looks of it! His relations also Willy Alphonse Jr. is a heroe to many Indians in BC interior.
------------ Someone with computer skills can put on thee Willy Alphonse Jr. case on this thread and it will clear a lot of assumptions up real fast like.
No one willy do it tho, tells the whole story right to the and including the last page? You willy see clearly after reading the final conclusion.
----------- People that stand up for the weak are my heroes -- people that take a stand -- dig in, start throwin -- ------------------------------

Well it's a tough sell to the non-indigenous hunter who's hunting opportunities are already highly regulated by the LEH system, and who are hunting moose, a NON-TRADITIONAL food source for the Chiefs people. You are aware that moose only migrated into the Cariboo-Chilcotin about a century ago as a result of increased connectivity of suitable habitat created by non-indigenous forestry practices??

[Jelvis]

Same ol same ol stuff over and over about moose in the south, it's a controversial subject, some do some don't.
-- weren't here b4 Eric the first white guy saw one
-- Indians shot all of em
same shit.
Jel -- Alphonse willy change the atmosphere by the looks of it, he knows what's real and what's jist emotions passing by -- he lives there I don't.

[325]

Same ol same ol stuff over and over about moose in the south, it's a controversial subject, some do some don't.
-- weren't here b4 Eric the first white guy saw one
-- Indians shot all of em
same shit.
Jel -- Alphonse willy change the atmosphere by the looks of it, he knows what's real and what's jist emotions passing by -- he lives there I don't.

Well the great thing about objective reality is that it's real whether you agree with it or not.

[tuner]

Well the great thing about objective reality is that it's real whether you agree with it or not.

Reality is now politically incorrect, much like biology and common sense.

[tyyota]

Reality is now politically incorrect, much like biology and common sense.

This is so true it hurts!

[Linksman313]

Don't want to go hunting with thee intent in heart of being confrontational, this wood not be wise in anyway, Your trying to enjoy your hunt and see the Outdoors, not end up in Matsqui cell.
Jel -- think first b4 you go out, if I see someone who try's to block me on a fsr, I will turn around b4 I get to the block so I don't need to confront these strangers?
----------------Just like lots of things you can choose to do, you can drive by the Bar, you don't have to go in every bar you drive by? :oops:

Starting to sound like Jelly Yellow Belly, thought you played hockey and "threw down" or something?

[Wild one]

Starting to sound like Jelly Yellow Belly, thought you played hockey and "threw down" or something?

Probably got knocked out too many times lol

[Jelvis]

I've been known to be a loser baby so why don;t yah kill hill meeee, Hahahaha yellow belly? I played defense and right wing, not at the same time tho meatheads Hahahaha, I'd love tha noooooo nooo roahhhhhhk noo Dis is rawk and ah toubib sayn yella belly? whw anoo nrahhhhhhhhhhh
Jel -- You got rocko the jocko in iyt now " Link the dink " he called you just noww noooo roaa

[Linksman313]

I've been known to be a loser baby so why don;t yah kill hill meeee, Hahahaha yellow belly? I played defense and right wing, not at the same time tho meatheads Hahahaha, I'd love tha noooooo nooo roahhhhhhk noo Dis is rawk and ah toubib sayn yella belly? whw anoo nrahhhhhhhhhhh
Jel -- You got rocko the jocko in iyt now " Link the dink " he called you just noww noooo roaa

Well now we all know that the Rocko will roll (respect), but at least the Dink has some balls behind his shawl and is disenthralled with the gaul of the Neanderthal to ban the legal LEH moose maul, quite a cannonball as observed by all, no need for the Rocko to get confrontationalllll.
Jells - have a great weekend and good luck on Monday, maybe I catch you and the Rock at the Hitch N Rail, barley pops on me!
Defense

[444marlin]

Governments Response
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/hunting/important-notices

[rageous]

Governments Response
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/hunting/important-notices


Why does Joe Indian have the right to say I can’t fill my moose tag?

[Jelvis]

It's Mister Joe Alphonse, not Joe Indian, Chief Joseph Alphonse to ah nnooooorawwwwwwwwww rawwwwwk
-----> fill it then, go drill it, no one can make you spill it, so chill it -- Chilly Wack --? a Cold Slap? -------------->
Jel -- Willy, Joe and Dunn Lake ----> He'll pick yer Bonaparte -- with Clear Water -- eat some beans by Lil Fart -- look for dana and horsh of corsh
---------------take our dare e air, to bare e air ----> Moose <--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Mu 3-38

[srupp]

Hmmm wasnt indians that issued my license, nor any LEH authorizations.
Actually in thinking about it..it would have been a dangerous PRESIDENT..legal argument for any future demands.
We WILL be in this area huhting moose this year..not wanting confrontations or confrontations..but have cameras and 7 individuals.
Personaly dont see any problems east of the Fraser..too much bother for them .
BE SAFE OUT THERE AND ENJOY YOUR HUNTS.
Srupp