EARLY Reg 5 LEH Closed.

[tinhorse]

dnesday, August 29, 2018 3:00 PM
The Province is taking additional action to manage moose in the Chilcotin part of the Cariboo Region after a decade-long population decline, wildfire impacts and concerns from First Nations.

Over the past 10 years, moose populations have decreased in the area from about 18,000 to 11,500 animals.

Under the Wildlife Act, the Province is closing the Oct. 1 to Oct. 14 limited-entry hunt in management units 5-13A, 5-13C and 5-14, and closing the moose hunt in portions of management units 5-03, 5-04 and 5-06. In addition, the use of motor vehicles for the purposes of hunting on branch roads or trails in portions of management units 5-12A and 5-12B is prohibited.

These restrictions are the result of discussions between the Province and the Tsilhqot’in Nation, and aim to address concerns related to decreasing moose numbers and increased vulnerability of moose to hunting following last year’s wildfires. Changes to the landscape from wildfire can increase sightlines for hunters, potentially resulting in higher success rates and more moose killed. The restrictions will be in place for this year’s moose hunting season and will be re-evaluated after the season is over.

At the same time, First Nations are working with government and their communities to reduce the harvest of cow moose in the Chilcotin. The moose hunting opportunities that remain in place in this area are considered sustainable and strive to balance the interests of Indigenous peoples and licensed hunters.

The Province is committed to reconciliation and adherence to the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

These changes reflect both the short- and long-term goals of government

[tinhorse]

"Reduce the harvest of cows". Maybe it should read STOP THE HARVEST OF COWS.....

[tinhorse]

This sucks for anyone that received that draw this year. I had it 2 years ago and had our bulls in the first 2 days. Saw 3 others also.

[tinhorse]

Sorry repeat thread....

[guest]

It's a crop of BS!
the keepers of the land will continue to harvest cows calves fawns etc. No one SMART enough to see what their LACK OF ACCOUNTABILTY CAUSES.
ONE LAW FOR ALL !
This makes me sick where our governments continue to cause Racism!
Pathetic!

[dellis]

Last 2 years those regions were closed to regulated hunting during the month of September. This year extending that halfway through October. Squeezing a bit more every year. With the government we have in place now, we are loosing hunting opportunity at an alarming rate. Unless something changes, the only ones hunting in BC will be status card holders, or those with deep enough pockets to pay off the former. Sad to see it happening.
Darcy

[quadrakid]

NDP plus Green Party

[338win mag]

I feel bad for the guys who had draws and made plans to go with friends/family, feel for you.:sad:

[clell]

So am I still in penalty box for three years if I was drawn for a cancelled hunt?

[Mulehahn]

Will be interesting to see what happens when the decline continues. Non of those regions are, historically, prime moose habitat. Who will get the blame when there are no moose in the area and a resident hunter hasn't shot one in years?

[scoutlt1]

So am I still in penalty box for three years if I was drawn for a cancelled hunt?

I would strongly suggest that you send that question to the "powers that be".....

I'm very interested in their response.

[triggerhappy]

Reducing Bull harvest isn't going to have much if any impact on the population of Moose. It is the killing of Cows and Calves by the aboriginals that will reduce the population. More useless actions by our crappy NDP government

[Razor84]

stewards of the land

https://scontent.fcxh3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39954956_1890484787683106_3877850268464840704_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=d737683d09c7c7c851bfdae137a25985&oe=5BFFFC49

[338win mag]

Razor84
Did you take that pic?

[leadpillproductions]

Im so glad i moved away fom there, How does a guy feed his family by hunting there. Oh ya thats right you get a deer and couple bears .

[sumonda]

Wow.. my group drew first week November.

[HarryToolips]

stewards of the land

https://scontent.fcxh3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39954956_1890484787683106_3877850268464840704_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=d737683d09c7c7c851bfdae137a25985&oe=5BFFFC49
Disgusting....if you know that indeed it was them, I hope you send the pic to the FN leaders in your area, even Joe Alphonse, and ask them what they're going to do about the abuse that is occurring from their own members...

[fuzzybiscuit]

Disgusting....if you know that indeed it was them, I hope you send the pic to the FN leaders in your area, even Joe Alphonse, and ask them what they're going to do about the abuse that is occurring from their own members...

Or just save yourself some aggravation and smack yourself in the face with a cast iron frying pan.

Better get used to it. Indians have claims in for over 100% of the province so region 5 is just a start.

[338win mag]

We dont know if Razor took the pic himself nor do we know the location of this picture, could be anywhere, and the crime commited by anyone.

[bearvalley]

We dont know if Razor took the pic himself nor do we know the location of this picture, could be anywhere, and the crime commited by anyone.

What you say, plus there are a few more oddities about that carcass.

[338win mag]

The carcass looks to be but a few hours old, very fresh, and looks like the handywork of a typical poacher.

[Takla]

Ive come across many cow moose carcass's taken by FN in my old hunting grounds and they generally dont leave more than the gut-pile,they like the nose/backstraps and other pieces that have been left on the moose in that pic which leads me to think that was not FN but opportunistic poachers

takla

[bearvalley]

The carcass looks to be but a few hours old, very fresh, and looks like the handywork of a typical poacher.
The meat looks to be bruised and something’s been eating on it.

[338win mag]

The meat looks to be bruised and something’s been eating on it.
Hey, your right about the bruising i never saw that till you said, I see where the birds have been at it.
Could be road kill I suppose.

[Red_Mist]

Yup typical wolf kill. They only like the quarters and leave the rest of the critter behind. Wish those wolves had better ethics.

[j270wsm]

look at the hide....sure looks to have been cut. I've never seen 4 legged predators cut a hide in such a manner.

[338win mag]

I think the suggestion could be..roadkill, then taken somewhere and cut up, obviously done by 2 legs

[frenchbar]

Will be interesting to see what happens when the decline continues. Non of those regions are, historically, prime moose habitat. Who will get the blame when there are no moose in the area and a resident hunter hasn't shot one in years?

The wolves ....

[Mik]

"Reduce the harvest of cows". Maybe it should read STOP THE HARVEST OF COWS.....
well said!

[srthomas75]

where can the map of the closed region be seen? I'm curious of the 5-03 closure.

[XPEIer]

This just in from Region 5, seems like they wish to close part of the LEH East of the Fraser as well. I have a draw in that zone and will be going unless the Provincial Government closes it.

https://www.100milefreepress.net/news/b-c-interior-first-nations-announce-limited-entry-moose-hunt-ban/

[srthomas75]

I found the map on the government website. I'm assuming that its the outline of last years fire in the area.

[tinhorse]

WTF....trying to take more control of a species that was never an integral part of their culture and didn't even inhabit much of that area until after 1910 or there about. We can only get one mule deer now in the zone we live in and now may not be able to go after the leh moose we won draws for....disgusting. Our government better make some reasonable decisions soon about hunting or like others have said, the poaching of all species will soon become much more common than it already is. I sure don't want to see hunters more frustrated than we already are now.....

[Ohwildwon]

https://wz2wb2k091u1i7klq667k147-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/13434985_web1_180907-WLT-Moose-Hunt-Ban.jpgSeveral First Nations communities are joining together to ban all limited-entry hunts (LEH) for moose within their respective territories in B.C.’s Interior. Image submitted

B.C. Interior First Nations announce limited-entry moose hunt ban Citing struggling moose populations and the unprecedented 2017 wildfires, First Nations are extending a moratorium on 2018 moose hunt


Monica Lamb-Yorski (https://www.100milefreepress.net/author/monica-lamb-yorski/)
Sep. 5, 2018 4:10 p.m.
News (https://www.100milefreepress.net/news/)










Several First Nations communities in B.C.’s Interior are joining together to ban all limited-entry hunts (LEH) for moose within their respective territories this fall.
The Tŝilhqot’in Nation and Southern Dãkelh Nation Alliance (SDNA) shared a map in a press release Wednesday showing the area included in the ban.
It encompasses from Vanderhoof and Prince George in the north to Valemount in the east, just east of Bella Coola in the west and areas southwest of Williams Lake near Tl’esqox (Riske Creek), Tl’etinqox (Anaham), Tsideldel (Redstone) and Xeni Gwet’in (Nemiah Valley).
“We have been left with no alternative but to close our territory to the moose hunt,” said chief Betty Cahoose, Southern Dakelh Nation Alliance.
“Moose are integral to our people — we have relied on our moose for generations. When our moose suffer, our people suffer. We are pleased to work with our neighbours on this vital issue. This isn’t about boundaries. This is about preserving and revitalizing a species that is crucial to all of our communities.”
Read more: Sportsmen’s association supports moose ban out west for all (https://www.wltribune.com/news/sportsmens-asociation-supports-moose-ban-out-west-for-all/)
Tsilhqot’in National Government tribal chairman chief Joe Alphonse said they are conducting a review of their legal options and looking at a possible legal challenge against the provincial decision to continue the LEH hunt.
“In the end, it’s going to be the nation picking up the pieces from the fallout of B.C.’s mismanagement of moose,” Alphonse said. “We welcome all other First Nations to join us in this effort.”
The announcement comes a week after the government announced closures and restrictions to several limited-entry moose hunts in the Chilcotin this fall.
In a news release, the ministry said they were taking the additional steps after a decade-long population decline, wildfire impacts and concerns from First Nations.
Read more: Government announces restrictions to Chilcotin moose hunts this fall (https://www.wltribune.com/news/government-announces-restrictions-to-chilcotin-moose-hunts-this-fall/)
The Tŝilhqot’in and Dãkelh said their citizens are deciding not to exercise their Aboriginal rights to hunt moose and are going without this main source of food for the winter.
Chief Stuart Alec, Southern Dakelh Nation Alliance, said conditions have been worsening every year.
“At this crucial time, we cannot afford to have the pressure on our moose populations increase. We look to the Province and hunters to respect this closure and to aid in our recovery efforts.”

Hope you don't barf up your dinner...

[JAYDEE]

I've got a draw for that area also and going first 2 weeks of November.

[tinhorse]

same here JAYDEE, first 2 weeks of nov for me. Coincides with my deer leh....

[338win mag]

What a bunch of phucking bullschitt

[LYKTOHUNT]

What a bunch of pure crap this is, there goes my draw , they dont give shit about moose conservation only power and revenge

[Islandeer]

FN’S, aren’t really first at anything. They aren’t the first to have inhabited British Columbia, not even close. Culturally speaking it reminds me of an old story my oldest great,great elder uncle once told me.

Went like this,a bunch of crows made a living off the land, eating other birds eggs, and anything else they could find.
They worked hard and adapted. One day they were given all they could eat, on one condition.
They would have to clip their wings. This worried some in the flock as their ability to adapt would be gone.

But the lure of a never ending supply of easy food tipped the scale, and the race was on.
The crows took all that was offered and then took more, and more. Soon there was no more to take or to give.

[Jelvis]

-- That's when the crows crow so loud your nay bores report you to the City By-Law
- When you stop the handouts the crow wakes the whole area up real loud like with his and her buddy's
Jel -- I know I feed my special ravens the family for decades - and some times they come up to the window and make a noise, whoa! They come up to the window.

[338win mag]

Wish I had a draw.

[Jelvis]

I was thinking like 338winmag a bit, I don't think they can stop you if your hunting a legal leh for that mu and spot. You paid for it already, planned for it and all!
This has got to be cleared up to help the leh system keep it's trust. Should be honored and prolly most woody honor it?
Jel -- this has to be delt with -- hunters and Ministry must figure this out to build confidence in the system imho -- it can B done -- Some kind of pay back gauranteed leh in 19 8)

[srupp]

So what exactly is closed ? Not what chief Joe wants..20 % of the province shut down..out west was shut down..has anything been shut down east of the fraser river hy PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT ..?
I do not believe that the hunting of moose has ended by any indian group.
Just as the lovely individual who knocked on my door today offerring chilcotin turkeys for $10 each..he had 100 and access to 300 more..lsheeeeesh.
Steven

[Bigdoggdon]

The map posted is their "want", not anything legal or posted by the Provincial Gov't. But just because its not a legally supported closure doesn't mean that the possibility of roadblocks, confrontation and vehicle/camp sabotage aren't realistic outcomes. I'm gonna be keeping an eye on this one as I have a draw in 6-1.

[338win mag]

The article/s posted are misleading to the general public in so many ways.
What do you think is going to happen when these treaties are finalized? Do you think you are going to be hunting "their" Moose?
This coming from someone who has uncontrolled shooting of Moose (cows),, with no idea of how many or when.
A template for the entire province??

[goatdancer]

Is the government refunding the draw fees because of the closure? They should have to return all the fees to all those who applied for the now closed draws.

[Jelvis]

Should all be refunded like goatdancers says, I agree all of it unless, a person says, Hey!
-- I think the LEH should give priority to anyone that lost the validity on their LEH after they paid.
Jel - all of these things coming up with reading material and surprizing too --

[Walking Buffalo]

What I see is the Resident hunters of BC are unwilling and unable to defend their right to hunt.