Motor vehicle closures to protect grizzly bears

[Sirloin]

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The Province, in partnership with Lil’wat Nation and Coast to Cascades Grizzly Bear Initiative, is taking action to protect grizzly bears by closing two resource roads in the Upper Lillooet and Birkenhead River areas.


Starting this year, Birkenhead Lake Forest Service Road will be closed at the Cerulean Creek bridge (approximately 19 kilometres along the road) from July 15 to Oct. 30, 2018, and Lillooet South Forest Service Road will be closed at approximately the two-kilometre mark from April 1 to June 15, 2018, and Sept. 16 to Nov. 30, 2018. These annual closures are part of a continued effort to protect threatened grizzly bears in the Sea to Sky Natural Resource District.


The Upper Lillooet and Birkenhead River areas contain sensitive grizzly bear habitat. In addition to the areas' high natural productivity of high-energy food (specifically huckleberries and salmon), they provide multi-season core habitats for female grizzly bears and their cubs. The areas also serve as a natural-movement corridor that enables grizzlies and other wildlife to access other, more remote areas.


Road improvements to support resource development in the area have led to an increase of motorized public access. Closures on resource roads during these sensitive times decreases the risk of human encounters with female bears and cubs, as well as the likelihood of disturbing feeding bears.


The most recent closures are in addition to 13 previously announced closures that resulted from the 2008 Sea-to-Sky Land and Resource Management Plan, and build on recommendations from the auditor general’s report on grizzly bear management. The decision is a result of land-use planning collaboration between the Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development, Coast to Cascades Grizzly Bear Initiative and Lil’wat Nation, and is based on the results of ongoing research of grizzly bear populations.


The closures were recommended in the report Motorized Access Management: Recommendations to Protect Grizzly Bears in the Upper Lillooet River Area.


https://www.for.gov.bc.ca/dsq/Stewardship/Upper_Lillooet_Access_Recommendations_Report_March 29_2018.pdf

[S.W.A.T.]

No fish=much less bears

Just saying

[wos]

How is that supposed to help grizzly bear??? They are closed to hunting and it's not in the name of science or conservation! Now we can't use roads near bear habitat?

[Sirloin]

Closures for THEE but not for ME


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[wos]

What!!! How is that supposed to work? Not management at all in my opinion.

[S.W.A.T.]

That is actually the definition of racism right there

[Mulehahn]

So the one group that is legally allowed to hunt Grizzlies is also the only group that will have access to the area?

The courts have ruled time and time again that the only thing that trumps First Nation rights is conservation. If it is to the point that merely driving the area will result in the the grizzly bears disappearing from the area then surely allowing uncontrolled and undocumented hunting of them will have a much more detrimental affect. Native rights are a fact that we have to accept. But limitations on those rights must also be accepted. if conservation was truly paramount like it is supposed to be most would gladly accept these closures and other actions. These backdoor land deals on the other hand are a hard pill to swallow.

[4 point]

FN are winning in little bits at a time, all the time, all over on many different matters. Governments are scared of them and some court decisions that have gone in their favor only fuel the notion to move ahead for more & more. While most average Canadians who aren’t directly affected at first don’t even notice. Going to be a sad outcome at some point when the totality of it all is realized. And no I am not racist.

[Sirloin]

Hrrrmmmm So this is a bio online from one of the members of an organization in collaboration on this management plan.

so...when we have people in the first line of describing themselves bring up unceded territory........writing access management plans...

are we realizing just how screwed we are yet?



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By removing legislative and political barriers where they exist? what do they mean by that?

[wos]

She is a left wing nut job! She is not their for wildlife conservation.

[HappyJack]

""The decision is a result of land-use planning collaboration between the Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development, Coast to Cascades Grizzly Bear Initiative and Lil’wat Nation, ||


The govt, the Lil'wat...and whom? Cascades Grizzly Bear Initiative??? Where are all the other stakeholders in this collaboration?

[Sirloin]

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[HappyJack]

Wow....dang it....that is explosive!!

[rageous]

Where is the BCWF on this? Knock knock BCWF?! are you there?!

[westcoaster]

I think this right here is the real reason...
And they are right, I was up there after meager creak hotsprings slid. The road was a zoo with the run of river project construction and all the citiots running to the keyhole falls hotsprings.



3.3.3 Current status of recreation in the planning area
Public recreational activities in the planning area are substantially increasing as more people learn about opportunities to
enjoy features such as trails, campsites and hot springs. These features are distributed throughout the District, and some
are supported by a modest allocation of District resources through the Recreation Sites and Trails Branch (RSTB), who
conduct routine maintenance and provide guidance and advice to resource management activities. Public can learn about
recreation opportunities on the appropriate RSTB website, though other social media tools such as Facebook, Twitter,
Instagram or other blogs and website often share this information to a much wider audience.
Some of the challenges with meeting public expectations for recreation in the District includes recognising an urban
demographic that is often identified as being inexperienced with appropriate camping and wilderness etiquette and safety
practices. There have been many observations of recreationalists who do not appear to be educated to respect the many
wilderness values, or who do not appear to respect the need to protect the natural resource environment, which is a
potential threat to grizzly bear habitat and populations and a concern to the partners in this report. The main recreation
features in the planning area include the Pebble Creek hot springs and associated trails including the Keyhole Falls trail
and associated spectacular scenic values, which were closed in early 2017 due to conflicts with bears, and the Meager
Creek hot springs, which is now permanently closed due to the 2010 landslide21.
21 For more information please see Appendix II – Public Safety Information for the Upper Lillooet Watershed
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Motorized Access Management: Recommendations to Protect Grizzly Bears in the Upper Lillooet River Area
RSTB has reported a significant number of issues in the area caused by some recreational users who have not practiced
appropriate garbage and waste management, resulting in concerns about grizzly bears and black bears within camping
areas and subsequently managed by closing the Pebble Creek hot springs trail. RSTB reports that there are currently no
plans to re-open the Meager Creek hot springs recreation site, regardless of the improved access to the site, due to the
concerns of risks and challenges to maintain public safety. Lil’wat Nation also has concerns with the potential for
increased recreational use at Meager Hot springs, given the spiritual and cultural significance of this area. An adventure
tourism tenure located in the Tenquille area utilizes horses as a key feature of their business. A motorized closure
supporting grizzly bear foraging proposed in that watershed is considered compatible with their operation.
In a 2016 memo from Innergex Renewable Energy Inc. (Innergex) to RSTB, information of public use collected on the
Upper Lillooet FSR at the kilometer 37.5 checkpoint indicated a much greater number of recreational vehicles and
campers than would normally be expected. For example, Easter weekend (March 25-28, 2016) observed 224 vehicles
carrying 716 people, and the May long weekend (May 20-22, 2016) saw 350 vehicles carrying more than 700 people.
Despite intensive management actions by Innergex and RSTB staff, including increased signage and garbage collecting,
the hot springs and trail areas were inundated by people who disregarded appropriate waste and food management, and
elevated the risk to wildlife and themselves: “Many posting on social media had indicated that there was an increase in
bear sighting at the hot springs area. Bear attractants and mishandling of food at the camping area, along with the spike
in use in the area, led to the bears becoming aggressive and charging people22”. RSTB and others are concerned that
without sufficient access management, the Meager Creek area will experience similar challenges and that uncontrolled
public motorized access is likely to result in public or bear mortality.

[whitlers]

What a joke. Run of the river project is doing more damage to their habitat than a few people driving down the road.

Also pretty sketchy about that bands true intentions

[wos]

I think this right here is the real reason...
And they are right, I was up there after meager creak hotsprings slid. The road was a zoo with the run of river project construction and all the citiots running to the keyhole falls hotsprings.

Remember they only want the roads closed during hunting season! This is aimed at hunters.

[Billybird]

Where is the BCWF on this? Knock knock BCWF?! are you there?!

To hot for the BCWF. Remember they must stay away from any political argument, even when their membership is directly targeted. Just another reason they get no money from me. Only a member by default through my club, and would like to change that too!

[Husky7mm]

First nations motorized access would continue pursuant aboriginal rights to carriy out traditional activities. What an oxy moron!
As a second nations person I am wondering why I have no special second nation privileges, hunting, fishing and gathering are in my culture as well, I identify with these traditions also. When has my peoples ever abstained from this that we have no say in the matter. After all being born a certain race or culture qualifies you to Have an affect and say on these things......Perhaps to be fair we should get moterized access 1/2 the time or maybe be able to drive in 1/2 the distance as the first special people? Maybe we can abide by half the rules too, maybe we can only be regulated 1/2 the time. Sad

The reality is that times have changed, the population has exploded, and we have advanced in technology. The system needs to change to keep it from collapsing. It is broken. We all need to be regulated and have the same set of rules. We are all suppose to be equal Canadain citizens.

[Sirloin]

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Equal Canadian citizens?
Who's running the show.

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Access for everyone BUT

[Sirloin]

CPAWS is the group managed by one of the coast to cascades grizzly bear initiative who helped write this new management plan by the way...

And what CPAWS retweets about the future of hunting in BC.


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[Ron.C]

Very simple, we are loosing on all fronts.

you can whine and bitch all you like about what first nations, government, and anti hunting groups are doing.

If we resident hunters can't find a way to unite ourselves and fight for OUR heritage and fast, we are screwed.

[Bugle M In]

Makes me wonder, with all these closures to basically all "Non FN" and yet "All FN are ALWAYS allowed" to be excluded from
either bans or closures, even when it these restrictions are do to "falling species numbers", thus the restriction in the first place
(supposedly, as in this case is ******ed!!??), isn't there some kind of "legal ground" for us to go to the courts and say
"hey, if it is good fore the goose, it's good for the gander".
Meaning, if these restrictions are to protect and preserve species etc, and are implemented by government, "that ALL have to
be restricted and follow these restrictions/closures, and that by excluding some is not right".
The only way is see of stopping the train, is by having the FN also have to follow these same restrictions.
If they had to follow them, I assure you they wouldn't be calling for all these BS restrictions/closures.

We need to find a way to "legally challenge" this current situation and it's lack of fairness/fair play "policy".
There must be a legal challenge in it somewhere.
IF not, I am going to be straight up, there will be some major civil disobedience coming this way to the province, and real people are going to get hurt, one way or another, due to this lack of one policy for you, and another policy for that guy.
Policy in regards to this stuff is based on "protecting a species"
All groups need to be included into the "same policies".
There has to be a major legal challenge in there somewhere.
That is the direction that is needed now, or it will be over.
Or we need to vote a Trump style individual into BC??

[HappyJack]

Makes me wonder, with all these closures to basically all "Non FN" and yet "All FN are ALWAYS allowed" to be excluded from
either bans or closures, even when it these restrictions are do to "falling species numbers", thus the restriction in the first place
(supposedly, as in this case is ******ed!!??), isn't there some kind of "legal ground" for us to go to the courts and say
"hey, if it is good fore the goose, it's good for the gander".
Meaning, if these restrictions are to protect and preserve species etc, and are implemented by government, "that ALL have to
be restricted and follow these restrictions/closures, and that by excluding some is not right".
The only way is see of stopping the train, is by having the FN also have to follow these same restrictions.
If they had to follow them, I assure you they wouldn't be calling for all these BS restrictions/closures.

We need to find a way to "legally challenge" this current situation and it's lack of fairness/fair play "policy".
There must be a legal challenge in it somewhere.
IF not, I am going to be straight up, there will be some major civil disobedience coming this way to the province, and real people are going to get hurt, one way or another, due to this lack of one policy for you, and another policy for that guy.
Policy in regards to this stuff is based on "protecting a species"
All groups need to be included into the "same policies".
There has to be a major legal challenge in there somewhere.
That is the direction that is needed now, or it will be over.
Or we need to vote a Trump style individual into BC??

Has anyone ever filed a human rights complaint? I've never heard of it being done.

[rageous]

I'm sure it's been thought of and said before but I'm a slow learner...ive just realized to me it's looks like these groups are partnering up with the aboriginals to get what they both want perspectively.

Aboriginals gets pretty much everything for themselves. And these groups put a huge dent into hunting in general.

I hold the past and current government responsible for this entire debacle.

What can one guy do?!

[Mulehahn]

The basic problem is there is no need for a legal challenge, just enforcement of existing laws. The courts have ruled time and time again that conservation is the only thing that trumps First Nation right. There is just no will to enforce it.

It is now coming to a head over land use but has been going on for over a decade with fisheries. A prime example is the cultus lake sockeye. Countless studies say they are on the brink of extinction, well below any rational criteria for them to be placed included in SARA (COSEWIC recommended it) and it was refused. The official reason was basically because of concerns over First Nations. In short it was deemed that the exterpation of sockeye in Cultus Lake was acceptable. The same is being done with regards to Thompson River Steelhead. Several studies have proven the late season Chum netting is taking a large percentage of the steelhead. If they were granted SARA protection that fishery would have to be shutdown... what the total number of fish back last year? 250? down from well over 10,000 years ago and still the government will not grant any formal protection. All this despite the courts ruling that conservation trumps all!

Unfortunately I believe many are right. Someone somewhere is going to do something stupid and that will be all it takes.

[REMINGTON JIM]

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Well arn't those INDIAN s being so GENEROUS to us NON Indians ! We can walk in if we Like ! WTF ! :mad: RJ

[MichelD]

I talked to the CO up there in May and she said that Lillooet South road was gated to protect Grizzly bears. Looks like this is a step to formalize it.

[Sirloin]

I talked to the CO up there in May and she said that Lillooet South road was gated to protect Grizzly bears. Looks like this is a step to formalize it.

It's already a done deal. Closed starting this year.

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2018FLNR0168-001348

[dana]

Where is the BCWF on this? Knock knock BCWF?! are you there?!

Yes they are there. Hand in hand with Raincoast!

[northof49]

Death by a thousand cuts....no one protecting our rights.

[guest]

Yes they are there. Hand in hand with Raincoast!

Well some here continue their attack on the Fed. Your actually humerous. For example ......
Rageous...... Wheres BCWF on this....... You expect them to be your saviour....... You and Dinas type above seem to figure they stand for all things in White eyes favour. All things fixed for resident hunters, all things protected to suit your needs. Your plight and types seem to forget theres far more players in this game.
Why dont your type get off you sorry arses and set up your own protest. Get you and your few little groupies to cry Penalty Penalty...... Same ol bitchers ...... The type that guide their own by saying.....
Well Nannies are open so go ahead and shoot...... Funny..... All for the betterment of self gratification.
Again. Can any of you name an organization that has as much for BC Fish and Wildlife then the BCWF ...... ? Crickets.
You hypocrites.
But......Like Turdo and his hair, he does have nice pictures.

[Sirloin]

I'm sure it's been thought of and said before but I'm a slow learner...ive just realized to me it's looks like these groups are partnering up with the aboriginals to get what they both want perspectively.

Aboriginals gets pretty much everything for themselves. And these groups put a huge dent into hunting in general.

I hold the past and current government responsible for this entire debacle.

What can one guy do?!

Yup you nailed it. That's what it looks like to me. Also with the NDP+GREENS, left wing socialist circles are usually hand in hand with the the environmental / anti hunting activists. Their utopian feel good ideologies tend to overlap and are not far behind.


One of the members from the Coast to Cascades Grizzly Bear Initiative (which helped create this access management plan) also manages at CPAWS which is also listed as a partner organization on their website. (https://www.coasttocascades.org/team/)

CPAWS online retweets and share anti hunting posts from PacificWild members of RainCoast Foundation like this.

This is CPAWS BC sharing a post from a member of Raincoast anti-hunting group.
This person here is a member of Raincoast
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It appears to me these groups are currently pushing to remove hunting related revenue from tags and licenses from being used in wildlife management throughout the country.
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Appears they also have lots of help. Here is CPAWS hosting a night with Catherine McKenna, Minister of Environment and climate change.

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And again, with CPAWS conservation director

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And CPAWS hosting a dinner with Y2Y Yellowstone to Yukon Conservation Initiative (Y2Y have been called a trojan horse, anti-hunting group by many in the hunting community from what ive seen)

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=59209



Canadian Parks & Wilderness Society (CPAWS) has been at the forefront of efforts to 're-wild' the west, and Mountain Equipment Co-op (MEC) is their 'substantial' supporter. Unfortunately the CPAWS/MEC version of 'protected lands' usually involves national or provincial park protection - which of course, eliminates hunting, trapping and other outdoor recreational opportunities. Fresh off their success in a massive expansion of Nahanni Park (eliminating some prime hunting territories) they have now set their sights on expanding Waterton National Park to include the adjoining Flathead area of B.C. (a traditional hunting & recreational area to Kootenay residents). But more frightening, is that the CPAWS/MEC vision is to "protect at least HALF OF CANADA'S PUBLIC LAND" - which would severely restrict hunting/trapping/outdoor recreation as we now know it. This is from a recent press release:


"MEC has recognized CPAWS as its national conservation partner and is a substantial contributor to our organization. In co-founding thebigwild.org with CPAWS, MEC has deeply invested in this new media campaign by providing funds, communications, staff time and expertise. MEC is proud to share CPAWS vision of protecting at least half of Canada's public land and water."

[dana]

Well some here continue their attack on the Fed. Your actually humerous. For example ......
Rageous...... Wheres BCWF on this....... You expect them to be your saviour....... You and Dinas type above seem to figure they stand for all things in White eyes favour. All things fixed for resident hunters, all things protected to suit your needs. Your plight and types seem to forget theres far more players in this game.
Why dont your type get off you sorry arses and set up your own protest. Get you and your few little groupies to cry Penalty Penalty...... Same ol bitchers ...... The type that guide their own by saying.....
Well Nannies are open so go ahead and shoot...... Funny..... All for the betterment of self gratification.
Again. Can any of you name an organization that has as much for BC Fish and Wildlife then the BCWF ...... ? Crickets.
You hypocrites.
But......Like Turdo and his hair, he does have nice pictures.

okay, I'll play your game. Please tell me all the greatness that the Fed has done for the wildlife of this province? Hahaha!

[Sirloin]

To me it appears that they seem to be pushing these FN "unsettling" and "decolonize Canada" movements for FN to gain total supremacy over Canadian land too.
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http://unsettling150.ca/canada-must-read-reconciliation-edition/ (http://unsettling150.ca/canada-must-read-reconciliation-edition/)


For the great Secwepemc leader Arthur Manuel, decolonization meant recovering the land, and rebuilding the economy. His book “The Reconciliation Manifesto” presents a devastating look at the backrooms and predatory spaces of settler state colonialism in Canada. But it also theorizes in plain language the steps Indigenous peoples are taking and must take to get back their lands and emplace themselves back in protective spaces of belonging and political freedom.

A collection of reflections that encompass a multiplicity of vital issues and analysis on Canadian bureaucracy, policies, legislation, law, and culture, this book also tackles the complicated culture of “Indian Act” governments, put in place by Canada and structured to be complicit with the worst of Canada’s assimilation agenda.


This season, we invite people to join us in another national reading campaign of The Reconciliation Manifesto.


The project of “Canada Must Read” was launched simultaneously with the Defenders of the Land / Idle No More campaign #Unsettle150 to counter the 2017 celebrations of Canada’s 150 years of colonization. We selected Arthur Manuel’s first book, “Unsettling Canada: A National Wake-Up Call” to launch the series, since it so clearly and beautifully spells out the recent history of Indigenous political struggle on these lands. Hundreds of people took up the call and read the book, on their own or in study groups, and reached out to tell us how much they learned and were affected by Manuel’s powerful writing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1ivWASu5d4

And here is the CBC creating a series where they judge Sir John A. Macdonald by todays standards...literally in a trial, infront of a judge... they hired actors to act out their fantasy of convicting Sir John A. Macdonald for crimes against humanity.


https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-trial-of-sir-john-a-macdonald-would-he-be-guilty-of-war-crimes-today-1.4614303


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[Sirloin]

Deeper look into the unsettling / decolonize Canada movement


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag99aLMfzSk

Pay attention.

Our hunting rights are entirely at stake here.

[dana]

"okay, I'll play you game. Please tell me all the greatness the the Fed has done for the wildlife of this province? Hahaha! ""
that would be a pointless exercise with someone so sanctimonious as you

Oh come on now, please extol the virtues of JayZee and his Raincoast band of merry men, woman and other genders.

[338win mag]

Sirloin, I watched the video in post 37 in its entirety and would encourage others to do the same.
A couple points.....I dont think it would be fair to compare Clarence Louie's band with another band in an impoverished area of Canada for obvious reasons, however the progressive attitude of Mr Louie can be applied by all.
There is a reason Ron Derrickson's life has been attempted to be terminated in the past.

On Mr Louie's comment "real warrior's work" There is a mindset among native youth that if you work then your "white" or an "apple" so the peer pressure among the youth to succeed is really keeping alot of young guys down, so....real warriors do work.
Not only that but the attitude is rubbing off on wannabee indians who have no native blood whatsoever, being fooled and nothing better to do than push the UN agenda, a truly foreign agenda that should be rebuked by all native Canadians.

[Redthies]

If an area is closed to vehicles, then it should be closed to ALL vehicles. Period. I spoke to one of the COs in Whistler a couple of weeks ago and he said that the guy conducting the study on the Lilloet FSR would drive up the road, park and start checking his trail cams. It became clear to him that the bears knew when he was coming from a long way off, and would haul ass out of the area consistently when he was a about 2km away. So if they are being disturbed by him going in, they are going to be disturbed by EVERY vehicle that goes in. Let the IPP folks and “natives” (they immigrated here too!) walk in as well.

[Redthies]

What can one guy do?!

It starts with “one guy” (preferably somebody with ACTUAL knowledge on the situation) coming up with a legitimate plan to get our voice heard. Something along these lines:

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?146336-Wildlife-Needs-Your-Vote!

I’m not as well read on the subject as quite a few people on here, but if someone has the time to put together a game plan for getting our voices heard, I’d bet a lot of people would get onboard. Maybe it starts wth a petition to Victoria and Ottawa and a discrimination complaint with a human rights tribunal? Let’s face it, as white North American heterosexual males (a lot of us here are), we are rapidly becoming the most discriminated against component in our society. Yes, a lot of it is the pendulum swinging back, as history is full of poor examples of white males, but I thought it was all about “equality” now?

[ryanb]

Everyone has a breaking point and if things keep going the way they are I think we might start seeing good law abiding hunters and fishermen/women start to snap. The attacks are coming on all fronts and really reaching a fever pitch.

[HappyJack]

Everyone has a breaking point and if things keep going the way they are I think we might start seeing good law abiding hunters and fishermen/women start to snap. The attacks are coming on all fronts and really reaching a fever pitch.

It should happen in the 604 first, that is where the majority of hunters live. Maybe have a massive protest in Lil'wat territory? A buddy of mine once told me: "it's not a right unless you exercise it".

[338win mag]

Everyone has a breaking point and if things keep going the way they are I think we might start seeing good law abiding hunters and fishermen/women start to snap. The attacks are coming on all fronts and really reaching a fever pitch.
Well yes, its about giving FN a mandate to micro-manage various parts of BC, and worst of all...nobody to answer to. The anti's who have created a mess of this province in a short period of time with their protesting and bitching and underhanded support of FN agenda's.
Take the conditions of our provincial parks (unburned bug killed trees everywhere) as just an example of the idiotic thinking that these buffoons have.
I really think anti's are throwing FN under the bus here as one of my real smart Indian buddies told me once, "hey I gotta live here, raise my family in peace"
Its going/gone to far now and I'm afraid the creation of any new federal parks in BC will result in fewer area's to hunt for residents and a private playground for FN to hunt because of the stupidity of people in government such as Catherine McKenna.

[180grainer]

One would think resident hunters should have been involved in the decision making as represented by the BCWF. They're making themselves less relevant by not being more vocal. If this case says anything, it's that none of the parties involved thinks the BCWF is worth consideration.

[Sirloin]

UPDATE.....

Conservation Officer Service:

ENFORCEMENT - $8,740 in fines


Conservation Officers issued 16 tickets – totalling more than $8,000 in fines – to 14 people for using a motor vehicle in an area near Pemberton that is closed to the public for the protection of grizzly bears. Those charged were occupants of four pickup trucks and two UTV’s.
Despite signage warning people of the closures, on the weekend Conservation Officers found many people within the closure area accessing the Meager Hot Springs, which is also closed to the public.
Conservation Officers were patrolling to enforce the Motor Vehicle Prohibition Regulation under the B.C. Wildlife Act.
Conservation Officers issued 16 charges:
• 14 charges were issued under the WLA
• 2 charges were issued under the Off-Road Vehicle Act
• 3 warnings were also given
• Fine total: $8,740

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[SemperAurum]

I would be proud to join in a group that decides to access this area as a unified group. Time to grow a set people.

Take the tickets to court

A victory in court will result in case law that can be used to help remove access restrictions.

I recall many guide/outfitters lobbying government and initiating road closures for their own selfish interests. Now the game is all but gone, predators have flourished, forests have burned and many of their territories and businesses are worthless as a viable hunting entity. AND THE ROADS ARE STILL CLOSED FOR NO VALID REASON WHATSOEVER.

[SemperAurum]

I will further comment that there is a plethora of morons on those ridiculous ATV and UTV things that certainly do cause concerns in the wilderness.

Grizzlies are not afraid or affected by the occasional vehicle on a forest service road. In fact, I would go so far as to say that animals are not afraid of or affected by vehicles at all.

[pro 111]

Agreed . Start writing some letters. I would target the bands with your letters. I think many of the bands have been ****ed over by these greenies . Perswading them to hault the hunting of the grizz. I think that there are a ton of first nations out there that think banning a bear hunt is a crock of shit.. Clayton Mac of Bella Coola would be rolling in his grave. Were letting this shit get outa hand now. If we dont wright and fight . . we cant complain..
How is that supposed to help grizzly bear??? They are closed to hunting and it's not in the name of science or conservation! Now we can't use roads near bear habitat?

[pro 111]

My son and I went stone sheep hunting this year. Saw 8 grizz . One cougar. and 8 rams . no lambs .
and got charged by a sow and two year old cub that were chasing the rams accross the shale. We yelled at the bears. Then they charged us. 3 shots later they only just walked away slowly. First shot into the shale at 50 yards beside the bear.. The bear just sniffed the shale and kept on running.
Was pretty nerve wracking.
Pretty sure the bands want wildlife left to eat. Not so sure there all on the same page with these closures.. I think with some good quality letters. And a work together approach. Maybe we can get some of this crap sorted out.

No one wants to wipe out all the bears . but lets manage them..

[GreyDog]

I have no problem with closures and generally speaking, I support them. However, a closure should be a closure for everyone. Otherwise, it is meaningless; especially when access is granted to a group to whom conservation is often a concept which is totally foriegn. GD

[303savage]

I think it's time that our Government quit kissing native ass. I sort of agree with Native rights but I don't agree with natives using our technology while exercising those rights.