No more Moose hunting for you, Whitey

[Ohwildwon]

Tsilhqot’in move to ban non-native moose hunting
https://www.wltribune.com/news/tsilhqotin-move-to-ban-non-native-moose-hunting/

[gmachine19]

There's gonna be a f**kng civil war. All it takes is they point their gun at some wack job and bullets will start flying.

[moosecaller]

Moose were never indiginious to this area prior to whitey and their logging practice.

[Rayne]

Unfortunately I foresee this happening aswell

[moosecaller]

Why don't you ban the hydro and natural gas and road infrastucture coming into your territory as well? Makes as much sense.

[HarryToolips]

^^^^^that is true....any way we can get real facts such as these posted publicly in a newspaper or something?? I'm sure they wouldn't cause we're fighting the indigenous claiming their so called rights.....

i wish all you holders of moose leh tags for region 5 the best of luck....what was the lastest census on bull ratios for region 5 anyway?? Talk about hypocrites....

[Mulehahn]

There's gonna be a f**kng civil war. All it takes is they point their gun at some wack job and bullets will start flying.

Or some whack to point the gun someone. You are setting up a scenario in which most of the ones involved will be armed. Both sides are getting riled up.

As an aside, I thought there was no hunting allowed on the Tsilhqot’in Nation Title Land already. What exactly was the point of the court case and settlement if they will continue to make claims on land outside there territory?

[Caribou_lou]

I always chuckle when I see an indian wearing a cowboy hat. Sadly, Government will back them because their all about making science based decisions...

[walks with deer]

everybody should go there for a deer hunt while the draws are happening...we can not allow a precedent setting case..
i respect alphonse if he was saying no moose hunting buy his team if he is that concerned.. but hes not...
we need everyone to go there at draw time...same as the fraser with the fish....enough......i have wnough native blood in me to hide that side what does the region 5 bioligist say? his job his call not alphonse...

[walks with deer]

there has to be some lawyer hunters on here that will help with road blocks...i will definatley go hunt mule deer in region 5 this year...even if i dont leave my camp...oct long weekend just got rescheduled

[silvertipp]

I do have a tag as does three other people i know
unless I'm breaking the law , I will be hunting

[Muledeercrazy2]

I have spent some time in this area and find it really upsetting that these articles never disclose that the first nations around Alexis Creek shoot moose all year round, any age or sex, with no accountability to anyone. The position Alphonse takes makes them hypocrites, in my mind. I have no doubt that of the 300 Leh draws residents will be luck to fill half of those, and that first nations will shoot double what resident hunters take at least.

They can argue aboriginal title, but let's be clear here. They are not stewards of the land and never have been. There was just so few of them that they could move to a new area when all easily harvested resources were plundered from an area.

[walks with deer]

talk to the outfitter in chezacut...he told me and showed me pictures of march cows shot and the fetus taken for drum leather cow left for the ravens...he had photos.
the hunting parties i encounteered from red rock had 3 trucks 15 guys total if it fur its nooked.
uneducated roothlessness also going past the no motor vehicle points at 50 on chezacut and 46 on puntzi....my name comes from puntzi i know the area well.....bull shit..

[Muledeercrazy2]

There is no reason for them to have control on a non native species that has not been a traditional food source outside of there treaty area. Next thing they will claim control of lakes stocked with non native rainbows.

[walks with deer]

mr alphonse must have some dirty past...this needs to be brought out...maybe a financial audit is a good start.

[Muledeercrazy2]

Given his history of threatening violence or implying violence the police should be keeping a close eye on them

[BgBlkDg]

It is time for the Canadian Armed Forces to disarm all Indians in Canada, regardless of what force is needed to do so and continue to keep all guns from these characters.

[walks with deer]

when i fought forest fire in bella coola we had a large escort when leaving....the hilpies from tahis i was with where like they had 3 rcmp infront and 3 in back where like yup they want to keep us from speeding home....
lol i was only 18and tod them they want us to keep our hair for doing the job and taking there potential revenue.

[scotty30-06]

Take all the stuff away that whitey pays for ....if you feed bears....you end up with bad bears.

[Cyrus]

Once the precedent is set other bands will follow suit. Just another nail in the coffin for hunting in this province. Enjoy it with your kids while you can as they will not be able to do the same. I'm sure the government will stand up for hunters......

[Piperdown]

Well what does our very own Gcreek have to say about his chief buddy????

[Squamch]

Are they claiming all of region 5? Just south of 20? I'm really not looking for trouble, but I'd like to utilize my draw in 5-12.

[Piperdown]

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/vancouver-sun/20121226/281487863681150 hope this link works it is from 2012 read what the big chief has to say, what a joke

[45freezer]

Ahhh yes, more traditional practice claims regarding the harvest of an animal that wasn't in the area 500 years ago, with modern high powered rifles and scopes in locking differential 4x4s...sounds about right ��

Do it with a trad bow on foot and have at 'er, otherwise don't attack the best system in place to manage these moose populations in the first place...

[338win mag]

Moose first, then Mule deer next, not looking good for the guy who shoots his beak off to the resident hunter who has nothing left to live for....just saying.

[338win mag]

Anyone who tries to threaten or harass me while I'm hunting on crown land had better look the **** out.

[Sirloin]

This native supremacy over the rest of Canada is being pushed by the university and far left wing academics/activists.
It seems an "Indigenous Governance" university program where they teach "Indigenous resurgence" went through a race war of its own and got nasty between the first nations and other students. Why do they think its a good idea on a national scale?


The University of Victoria says it's "truly sorry" after a third-party review of its Indigenous Governance program found evidence of "dysfunctional classroom dynamics" that left current and former students "traumatized."

The university has decided to suspend new student enrolment for the graduate program, known as IGOV, for the 2018-2019 academic year to allow time for a revamp, said Nancy Wright, associate vice-president for academic planning.


"We see redeveloping this program as part of a process of healing and reconciliation," said Wright.


A confidential "participant's report," prepared by two conflict resolution experts and based on interviews with 30 current and former students and faculty, said the program suffered from "discrimination" and "hyper-masculinity" that provided little classroom space for diverse points of view.

"Most of those we heard from described the IGOV learning environment as stressful, in part, because of difficult classroom dynamics caused by a sense of entitlements, competition and unpredictability," said the April 19 report, released to participants and obtained by CBC News.


"From our interviews, it was apparent that the emotional and psychological impact of dysfunctional classroom dynamics can be profound."


The university hired Madeleine Kétéskwew Dion Stout, a retired professor and nurse who specializes in Indigenous health, racism, lateral violence and trauma, and Jamie Chicanot, a partner with ADR Education, a firm specializing in workplace conflict resolution, to conduct the review.


Concerns may already be well-known to school, says report
The report said there was a feeling the program had "little tolerance for LGBTQ and two-spirited individuals" along with "inherent tensions" connected to the role and inclusion of "non-Indigenous students in the program."


The report recommended the university improve the program's "professionalism and classroom dynamics" by developing protocols "based on local Indigenous teachings and traditions."


It also recommended land-based education and creating more culturally and academically appropriate support systems along with anti-bullying and racism training.


The report also found that there was an "overarching impression that the concerns expressed to us are well known to the university."

Wright said the university appointed Dion Stout and Chicanot to lead the "environmental review" of the program last fall after the dean received a complaint in June 2017.


"In this case we implemented a specific university process ... to evaluate strengths and challenges," said Wright.


"It's not a fault-finding exercise and to assign blame."


Wright said former IGOV director Jeff Kanohalidoh Corntassel had decided to take a new position with the Indigenous Studies department, but it was not directly connected to the outcome of the review.


"He has chosen that opportunity," said Wright.


University to work toward rebuilding trust with students
In a letter to IGOV alumni, Valerie Kuehne, provost and vice-president academic, said the university would be working with a team of Indigenous scholars and local Elders and community members to guide the redesign of the program.


"The university recognizes that there is work to be done in rebuilding that essential element of trust with students, faculty, staff, alumni of the program and the community," wrote Kuehne, in an April 19 letter obtained by CBC News.

The report noted that the program, which began in the late 1990s, was too good to let fail.


"The fundamental value and importance of a program such as IGOV is undeniable," said the report.


"It is an essential contributor to and catalyst for scholarship and academic discourse on issues such as decolonization, nationhood, resurgence and reconciliation."


The program currently has 24 master's and seven PhD students enrolled. The university said about 11 new students — 10 master's and one doctoral — were scheduled to take the program in the coming year. Wright said those students would be accommodated.

Here is what they repeat everywhere at Simon Fraser University:

"We acknowledge that SFPIRG occupies unceded Indigenous land belonging to Coast Salish peoples. Unceded means that this land was never surrendered, relinquished or handed over in any way. We recognize that the unceded land that we occupy at SFU Burnaby includes the territories of the Musqueam, Skxwú7mesh, Tsleil-Waututh, and Kwikwetlem Nations."

"We seek to support the varied strategies that Indigenous peoples are using to protect their land and their communities, and we commit to dedicating time and resources to working in solidarity. We acknowledge that we, as people living and working on these lands, are accountable to the laws and protocols of the people who have cared for this land since time immemorial. It is our intention to continue learning how to honour this responsibility.

Today, most of BC remains unceded sovereign Native lands, over which neither the Canadian or BC governments have the legal or moral authority to govern."

Hmmm a PUBLIC institution proclaiming that the Canadian and BC governments have no legal or moral authority to govern....strange............

[gcreek]

Are they claiming all of region 5? Just south of 20? I'm really not looking for trouble, but I'd like to utilize my draw in 5-12.


5-12 is not claimed by the Chilcotins, unless Ulgatcho gets on board there should be no problem.

[gcreek]

Well what does our very own Gcreek have to say about his chief buddy????

Joe is still a friend of mine. While I may not agree with some of the things they push, I have to respect their stance. Whiteys sure haven't taken the initiative on the moose issue.

For your info, they are encouraging band members not to kill moose.

Guys like you want them saved so they can kill the last one.

[Walking Buffalo]

Joe is still a friend of mine. While I may not agree with some of the things they push, I have to respect their stance. Whiteys sure haven't taken the initiative on the moose issue.

For your info, they are encouraging band members not to kill moose.

Guys like you want them saved so they can kill the last one.


You just gotta poke the pile....

Unofficial but internally recognized First Nation "Policy" across Canada is to accept overharvest of wildlife with the recognition that once limited, licenced hunters and non-indigenous peoples will be excluded from the resource, creating the political and legal opportunity to claim control and exclusive access for Indigenous peoples only.

Whitey is screwed in BC if they want to harvest their own wild food.

[chilcotin hillbilly]

Or some whack to point the gun someone. You are setting up a scenario in which most of the ones involved will be armed. Both sides are getting riled up.

As an aside, I thought there was no hunting allowed on the Tsilhqot’in Nation Title Land already. What exactly was the point of the court case and settlement if they will continue to make claims on land outside there territory?

the title land is different, it is what it is. Fee simple title and no you can not hunt on that land. that is a small part of the Chilcotin. the rest of the "Chilcotin" has been claimed by the Tsilhqot'in Nation as traditional territory. There is no ownership of in the rest of the Chilcotin.

[chilcotin hillbilly]

Ahhh yes, more traditional practice claims regarding the harvest of an animal that wasn't in the area 500 years ago, with modern high powered rifles and scopes in locking differential 4x4s...sounds about right 😏

Do it with a trad bow on foot and have at 'er, otherwise don't attack the best system in place to manage these moose populations in the first place...

The first written account of moose being seen was 1914, a little more than 100 years ago.

[303savage]

what does the region 5 bioligist say? his job his call not alphonse...

No government will call anything on the natives because the government would be called RACIST then.

[Squamch]

5-12 is not claimed by the Chilcotins, unless Ulgatcho gets on board there should be no problem.

Awesome. Thanks.

I hate this political posturing dynamic from both sides. If we could have a system wherein all parties reported harvests, and were beholden to the same regulations and penalties, with goals set on what "recovery" will consist of, I'd be on board.

Alphonse and his family haven't been hunting moose he says. I think stopping an unregulated harvest is better than putting a stop to the regulated and monitored LEH harvest. What else is being done to recover moose? I would assume that LEH authorizations have gone down commensurate with populations.
On the island we have equal shares of elk (legally) to the bands as to LEH. Is there a similar system in place for the indians up there?

[gcreek]

You just gotta poke the pile....

Unofficial but internally recognized First Nation "Policy" across Canada is to accept overharvest of wildlife with the recognition that once limited, licenced hunters and non-indigenous peoples will be excluded from the resource, creating the political and legal opportunity to claim control and exclusive access for Indigenous peoples only.

Whitey is screwed in BC if they want to harvest their own wild food.


I was only playing in the same sandbox I was invited to.

Contrary to most hunters attitude, regardless of race or skin colour, moose hunting in a big part of BC needs to be shut down for some period of time and a big effort to cull predators needs to happen.

I know a bit more about what is being discussed behind the Chilcotin's closed door and it actually is encouraging.

BTW, where is the supposed hunter's voice in this? BCWF?

[finngun]

if whitey go moose hunting ..legally..area what is 'hot' by Fn ...NEVER leave hunting camp alone...''ship' might happen..unfortunately..

[Onesock]

They cant hunt anywhere off “their” land. Sounds ok to me!

[panhead]

Spent about a month up in 5-13 recently and vast parts of it are devastated from the fires. Even the soil seems burnt. Noticed that whirlwinds now reach the ground as I believe the loss of foliage allows this. So the soil now is carried up and away. Some of these whirlwinds were throwing around the burnt trees like matchsticks. Could spot what game is left from a great distance. No hiding places. I’m sure whatever game is left could use a hand from all stakeholders to survive and multiply. Really sad to see. Seems the smaller critters are all gone too. Never saw a single squirrel or whiskeyjack. Don’t know how far the devastation goes though ... lot’s of new green grass and shrooms, as always it will come back given time.
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[IronNoggin]

... Alphonse and his family haven't been hunting moose he says...

Maybe. Or maybe his personal larder is already full?
Regardless, he has zero control over his own as witnessed by the many that continue to harvest moose - including cows & calves.
With zero accountability.


On the island we have equal shares of elk (legally) to the bands as to LEH.

Until they shoot the bejesus out of the herd, thereby rendering it off limits to everyone (supposedly including themselves).
Getting the draw in Nahmint was a favorite dream.
After their massacre (no other word for it) it is entirely unlikely I will ever live long enough to see a single LEH ever let there again. :cry:

And you perceive such a program might work with these people on the mainland??
Hmmmm...

Nog

[45freezer]

The first written account of moose being seen was 1914, a little more than 100 years ago.

Shhh, you'll poke holes in the claims to traditional hunts 100s of km away from traditional territories before the introduction of horses or frame packs, for animals that weren't even there at the time with weapons, modes of transportation and methods of hunting that weren't even conceivable just a short time ago...they have a monopoly on griz now, moose is next if we don't make our voices heard.

[338win mag]

You just gotta poke the pile....

Unofficial but internally recognized First Nation "Policy" across Canada is to accept overharvest of wildlife with the recognition that once limited, licenced hunters and non-indigenous peoples will be excluded from the resource, creating the political and legal opportunity to claim control and exclusive access for Indigenous peoples only.

Whitey is screwed in BC if they want to harvest their own wild food.
This right here^^^^^^

[Hunterguy]

Like leaving a fox to look after the chicken coop!

[finngun]

They cant hunt anywhere off “their” land. Sounds ok to me!

Yess Right,,,try to tell them WHATis Their land....and What is whities land...i wanna hear that ,small, tolk..
Lots of verbal blasting for sure..:shock:

[Squamch]

Maybe. Or maybe his personal larder is already full?
Regardless, he has zero control over his own as witnessed by the many that continue to harvest moose - including cows & calves.
With zero accountability.



Until they shoot the bejesus out of the herd, thereby rendering it off limits to everyone (supposedly including themselves).
Getting the draw in Nahmint was a favorite dream.
After their massacre (no other word for it) it is entirely unlikely I will ever live long enough to see a single LEH ever let there again. :cry:

And you perceive such a program might work with these people on the mainland??
Hmmmm...

Nog

I'm not arguing the facts, and some of "them" do play by the rules. It seems the vocal ones locally are those who don't. If everyone could play by the rules and that program was in place, I'd be happy.

[rocksteady]

And why are any of us surprised at this???

R and R is the ultimate ace up the sleeve

[frenchbar]

There's gonna be a f**kng civil war. All it takes is they point their gun at some wack job and bullets will start flying.
😂your jumpin the gun..lol

[Boner]

Frenchbar, that is a wicked avatar. Charlie Brown mixed with Charles Bronson is brilliant!

[frenchbar]

Ya its got character haha..��snoopy better be on good behavior or he will take a slug in the bean..lol

[Piperdown]

Joe is still a friend of mine. While I may not agree with some of the things they push, I have to respect their stance. Whiteys sure haven't taken the initiative on the moose issue.

For your info, they are encouraging band members not to kill moose.

Guys like you want them saved so they can kill the last one.

Don't insult me you POS you know nothing about me or who i am so get off your high horse. Encouraging band members not to hunt moose, what was his quote "but we have many poachers in our band". May the wolves run rampant on your ranch, may your leased land be given back to nature so our game population does not have to compete with cattle for their food, kinda like the indians, ungulates roamed the land long before the cattle were let loose to wreck havoc on the landscape. Hell i am liking this train of thought, you want the land to graze on BUY IT!

[gcreek]

Don't insult me you POS you know nothing about me or who i am so get off your high horse. Encouraging band members not to hunt moose, what was his quote "but we have many poachers in our band". May the wolves run rampant on your ranch, may your leased land be given back to nature so our game population does not have to compete with cattle for their food, kinda like the indians, ungulates roamed the land long before the cattle were let loose to wreck havoc on the landscape. Hell i am liking this train of thought, you want the land to graze on BUY IT!


LOL, you must vote Liberal or NDP too..... You should be careful calling names, Mr. Gatehouse might give you a holiday.

BTW, how is your friend Dale doing? Wolves leaving him alone this summer?

[KBC]

It’s really too bad that all sides can’t put aside their differences and act in a manner that benefits both the human race and the animal world while still allowing everyone the ability to practice their good traditions.

Im getting pretty tired of the constant us vs them threads on this site that do nothing to solve anything wrong with the way the world is. Maybe we should all check our egos and start trying to come up with positive ideas for change instead of the current standard of insults, hate and anger until the thread is locked.

Dont misunderstand me, I do not feel one side is innocent and if I try and put myself in native shoes I can understand why there is hate for the white man but sometimes you need to man up and act first on the road to sorting things out.

[dana]

Hmmm, you guys seem to be looking for someone to blame for all this mess. Why don't you look at the King Goat and all his cronies that pushed Resisent Priority and over harvest for way way too many years. Oh and was also dead set against any wolf management aside from spending tons of 'your' money collaring dogs so he and his buddies could have 'fascinating' jobs. There are virtually no moose left people!!! We went from tons of moose with no issues for all user groups to zip, zero, zilch! All because of one group's agenda to keep wolf populations high. This same group is friends with Tides. The same people pushing UN agendas to have no hunting world wide aside from Indigenous. You are pissed about it now? You boys made your bed and now you don't want to lay in it?

[Spy]

Hmmm, you guys seem to be looking for someone to blame for all this mess. Why don't you look at the King Goat and all his cronies that pushed Resisent Priority and over harvest for way way too many years. Oh and was also dead set against any wolf management aside from spending tons of 'your' money collaring dogs so he and his buddies could have 'fascinating' jobs. There are virtually no moose left people!!! We went from tons of moose with no issues for all user groups to zip, zero, zilch! All because of one group's agenda to keep wolf populations high. This same group is friends with Tides. The same people pushing UN agendas to have no hunting world wide aside from Indigenous. You are pissed about it now? You boys made your bed and now you don't want to lay in it?
What a load of Moose shit !!!!

[dana]

What a load of Moose shit !!!!

Is it? Hmmm, what were the tenants of Resident Priority? Conservation then First Nations then Residents then non residents. You boys were worked up that the non residents were getting too much but you never saw that you were the ones that were getting too much. Now you are cut off! The First Nations are playing with cards that was handed to them. But now, they are seeing there really is nothing left for them either. Desperate times require desperate measures!

[Caribou_lou]

Overharvest? You have numbers?

[dana]

Do you think that the killing of cows and calves under LEH and GOS was a good thing when hunters were ringing the alarm bells that the moose were in trouble? Yes, over harvest is the right word to use. All in the name of resident opportunity.

[adriaticum]

Years of over harvest, under management, over population, deforestation will do that.
I have yet to hear one resident hunter say that he is going to reduce his harvest to help conservation.

[Piperdown]

LOL, you must vote Liberal or NDP too..... You should be careful calling names, Mr. Gatehouse might give you a holiday.

BTW, how is your friend Dale doing? Wolves leaving him alone this summer?

Blah Blah Blah, yep wolves are leaving Dale alone, if you new anything he has no cattle now, hasn't for years, and when he did have livestock he didn't have a problem with wolves and he didn't whine like a little baby like you

[Spy]

Is it? Hmmm, what were the tenants of Resident Priority? Conservation then First Nations then Residents then non residents. You boys were worked up that the non residents were getting too much but you never saw that you were the ones that were getting too much. Now you are cut off! The First Nations are playing with cards that was handed to them. But now, they are seeing there really is nothing left for them either. Desperate times require desperate measures!
Can you say pine beetle & NO wildlife management from your beloved Liberals ???? You seem to want to blame "Resident Hunters" for protesting the Liberals for their failure to manage and the blatant theft! But hey its the resident hunters,right! NO wrong!

[Spy]

Years of over harvest, under management, over population, deforestation will do that.
I have yet to hear one resident hunter say that he is going to reduce his harvest to help conservation.
I have not hunted Moose since 2012 & there are other resident hunters who are doing the same... I would go as far as saying shut the hunt down for all hunters and people kind.....

[dana]

Can you say pine beetle & NO wildlife management from your beloved Liberals ???? You seem to want to blame "Resident Hunters" for protesting the Liberals for their failure to manage and the blatant theft! But hey its the resident hunters,right! NO wrong!

Pine Beetle eh? Hahaha! Whose fault was that? Hmmm? NDP did SFA when it first started to explode when they were last in power. As a matter of fact, their policies allowed it to grow. Hindsight is allows 20/20. Wonder what the province would look like had the NDP had of actually aggressively went after it and logged hard and burned hard when it first broke out? We will never know but I can say they are too stupid to actually learn from their mistakes and fir beetle is now becoming epidemic but it is best if we leave it and let it fester just like the pine beetle right?

[dana]

As for wildlife management under the Libs, they did exactly what the resident hunters asked for. More and more and more opportunity with the belief that wolves were untouchable and would get them kicked out of government. They got sucked into Goat's BS as did the rest of you. But Goat's hero, Weaver, is going to save us all ain't he? Guess what, he is all about giving your hunting rights away to the First Nations! Goat might write his speeches at times, but we know that his hatred towards BC hunters is deep and strong. Sleep with the Devil and expect not to get burned? Some of you sure have things figured out don't ya?

[gcreek]

Blah Blah Blah, yep wolves are leaving Dale alone, if you new anything he has no cattle now, hasn't for years, and when he did have livestock he didn't have a problem with wolves and he didn't whine like a little baby like you


Ok then, how's the environmental consulting business going on the Island?

You must have run out of lies to tell and needed to revert to insults. Socialists seem to be like that...……...

[gcreek]

As for wildlife management under the Libs, they did exactly what the resident hunters asked for. More and more and more opportunity with the belief that wolves were untouchable and would get them kicked out of government. They got sucked into Goat's BS as did the rest of you. But Goat's hero, Weaver, is going to save us all ain't he? Guess what, he is all about giving your hunting rights away to the First Nations! Goat might write his speeches at times, but we know that his hatred towards BC hunters is deep and strong. Sleep with the Devil and expect not to get burned? Some of you sure have things figured out don't ya?

Well stated Dana. Whitey doesn't want to own up to their part in this and as I told Pippersqueak, the general run of entitled RH would kill the last moose just as the Natives would.

[LBM]

Years of over harvest, under management, over population, deforestation will do that.
I have yet to hear one resident hunter say that he is going to reduce his harvest to help conservation.
I know lots of resident hunters that reduce there harvest to help conservation.

[Piperdown]

Ok then, how's the environmental consulting business going on the Island?

You must have run out of lies to tell and needed to revert to insults. Socialists seem to be like that...……...

Actually business is doing very well, i am retired from the rd now, trained up the new consultant and will be selling the business to him within in the year and then time to ride off into the sunset, sunny days my friend sunny days. Don't understand the lies quote, care to elaborate. Insults, don't recall insults other than the POS remark, unless you are talking about the whining remark, but that is more of an observation, seems you threw the first pitch.

[Piperdown]

I know lots of resident hunters that reduce there harvest to help conservation.

I for one have, we have not harvested a moose in our household for 4 years, could have but we had deer. I did have friends stay at the cabin and they took a moose so we did get a little moose meat, was enough for us, no need to be greedy. Just like the fishing, i have killed my fish to feed my family and now fishing 2 more weeks catch and release for me, a few friends are taking a few but that is it.

[dana]

Ok then, how's the environmental consulting business going on the Island?

You must have run out of lies to tell and needed to revert to insults. Socialists seem to be like that...……...

Seems the Antis get worked up on this site eh? Wonder where the others are hiding these days? They certainly stand out like sore thumbs as they defend Trudeau and Weaver don't they? Hahaha!!! Seems it ain't such sunny days for their sunny ways.

[Piperdown]

Dana can i educate you, environmentalist and environmental consultant, google them , get educated, maybe get off your high horse. For your information mister knows all, i test for hazardous waste, air pollution, toxic environments, you getting the drift. If people, industries are not polluting, making waste i have no work, so log it, pave it, build it and burn it, keep me happy and keep me making lots of money. Its no wonder why many on this site think of you as arrogant and one who can take nice pictures

[rocksteady]

Its no wonder why many on this site think of you as an arrogant d*ck, who can take nice pictures[/QUOTE]

Your opinion is not everyone's.. it's open chat he can say what he wants

[dana]

Dana can i educate you, environmentalist and environmental consultant, google them , get educated, maybe get off your high horse. For your information mister knows all, i test for hazardous waste, air pollution, toxic environments, you getting the drift. If people, industries are not polluting, making waste i have no work, so log it, pave it, build it and burn it, keep me happy and keep me making lots of money. Its no wonder why many on this site think of you as an arrogant d*ck, who can take nice pictures

If it looks like an Anti, walks like an Anti and talks like an Anti, it is probably an Anti.

As for calling me names, doesn't bother me at all. I have thick skin. Something socialists didn't seem to develop. ;)

[Piperdown]

If it looks like an Anti, walks like an Anti and talks like an Anti, it is probably an Anti.

As for calling me names, doesn't bother me at all. I have thick skin. Something socialists didn't seem to develop. ;)

I apologize for the dick comment , i stepped over the line. As for me being an anti, it is very obvious you do not know the first thing about me. So keep up the good work, and when you fix everything we will all be very happy, carry on.

[gcreek]

Actually business is doing very well, i am retired from the rd now, trained up the new consultant and will be selling the business to him within in the year and then time to ride off into the sunset, sunny days my friend sunny days. Don't understand the lies quote, care to elaborate. Insults, don't recall insults other than the POS remark, unless you are talking about the whining remark, but that is more of an observation, seems you threw the first pitch.


Lies quote..... Let’s go back to your comment about Joe Alphonse owning several ranches and wanting to sell his beef to his people. Joe did correct me when I told him about your post. We had a good laugh and he said he is up to 35 cows and 2 bulls. A far cry from your insinuation.

First impressions don’t escape me.

And remember, excuses are like a holes, everybody has one.

[gcreek]

Its no wonder why many on this site think of you as an arrogant d*ck, who can take nice pictures

Your opinion is not everyone's.. it's open chat he can say what he wants[/QUOTE]

x2 Rock, as is this guy’s when he can learn to be polite like us....... haha

[lip_ripper00]

Your opinion is not everyone's.. it's open chat he can say what he wants

x2 Rock, as is this guy’s when he can learn to be polite like us....... haha[/QUOTE]

ya but leave the name calling out.......

[Piperdown]

Your opinion is not everyone's.. it's open chat he can say what he wants

x2 Rock, as is this guy’s when he can learn to be polite like us....... haha[/QUOTE]

You are a piece of work look at your post #64 nuff said, hypocrite

[lip_ripper00]

x2 Rock, as is this guy’s when he can learn to be polite like us....... haha

You are a piece of work look at your post #64 nuff said, hypocrite[/QUOTE]

really? You are reminding me of a woman now, have to have the last word? I am trying to keep this civil,

[gcreek]

You are a piece of work look at your post #64 nuff said, hypocrite

really? You are reminding me of a woman now, have to have the last word? I am trying to keep this civil,[/QUOTE]


LOL, it is ok to call others dinks, a guy he's never met "Big Chief", or someone a POS. though.

Liberals call for free speech until it doesn't agree with their thought process. Maybe you are on the something.... maybe it is transgender and has x on it's birth certificate.

Don't worry about civility with this character. I haven't witnessed the courtesy returned yet.

[moosecaller]

You are a piece of work look at your post #64 nuff said, hypocrite

really? You are reminding me of a woman now, have to have the last word? I am trying to keep this civil,[/QUOTE]
Why are you attacking women .NOT a cool move find a different way to slam your opponent. Don't demine women! You will not make friends here slamming women.

[lip_ripper00]

really? You are reminding me of a woman now, have to have the last word? I am trying to keep this civil,
Why are you attacking women .NOT a cool move find a different way to slam your opponent. Don't demine women! You will not make friends here slamming women.[/QUOTE]

sorry Sally, I apologize. I am not slamming women in the least,... just trying to keep this thread from being shut down

[moosecaller]

Why are you attacking women .NOT a cool move find a different way to slam your opponent. Don't demine women! You will not make friends here slamming women.

sorry Sally, I apologize.[/QUOTE]
Obviously a poor response! No morals what so ever! I respect women you should as well. Or you had a less than proper upbringing?

[lip_ripper00]

sorry Sally, I apologize.
Obviously a poor response! No morals what so ever! I respect women you should as well. Or you had a less than proper upbringing?[/QUOTE]

Their is some butt hurt lotion available if my responses hurt you.

[lip_ripper00]

Come on, keep this on subject.

[Max Ranger]

O.K, enough you guys. This thread is about who can or cannot hunt moose legally in region 5 this year. Your personal squabbling won't change the issue we are all facing--namely too many people chasing too few moose. I live in 5-13 and I,m not happy about the changes happening around here but it is what it is. The moose just aren't out there like they were ten or more years ago due to beetle kill, clear cut salvage logging and extensive forest fires. The whole country has changed. Of course there are still a few around but nothing like there were twenty years ago. I think we all need to step back and give the moose and the country some time to recover, or else there won't be any moose left for anyone. We don't have to like it but that's the way it is. I notice in the new hunting regs. there's no longer an open season on caribou in 5-12. So who's fault is that? Should we lay blame and squabble over that too? And of course- no more grizzly hunting in B.C.- except for first nations hunters. I went to Bella Coola last month fishing and saw just as many grizzlies as I usually do at that time of year but the salmon were a lot scarcer than usual. The situation is changing and we will have to adapt to it, like it or not.
Respectfully , Max.

[lip_ripper00]

Thanks Max,

I can not disagree with you, biggest issue here is equality between First Nations, resident hunters, and GO. But that’s not going to happen. Accountability, and responsibility are key..... BUT NO ONE is taking this whole issue responsibility, and thus all 3 sides are pointing at one another, how do we resolve?

[gcreek]

Thanks Max,

I can not disagree with you, biggest issue here is equality between First Nations, resident hunters, and GO. But that’s not going to happen. Accountability, and responsibility are key..... BUT NO ONE is taking this whole issue responsibility, and thus all 3 sides are pointing at one another, how do we resolve?

I believe the Chilcotins are setting the first example. It would be better if all band members were on side with the leaders but we whiteys have the same issues. Maybe if RHs sided with Natives on this issue it could achieve the goal sooner. Predators need to be addressed, like it or not, and all hunters need to lay off or we will need to go to the prairies to see a damn moose.

[Piperdown]

really? You are reminding me of a woman now, have to have the last word? I am trying to keep this civil,


LOL, it is ok to call others dinks, a guy he's never met "Big Chief", or someone a POS. though.

Liberals call for free speech until it doesn't agree with their thought process. Maybe you are on the something.... maybe it is transgender and has x on it's birth certificate.

Don't worry about civility with this character. I haven't witnessed the courtesy returned yet.[/QUOTE]

You deserve no courtesy, maybe get of the net and go take care of your flock, shoot a wolf or two.... Night night going fishing while us whiteys still can

[lip_ripper00]

You deserve no courtesy, maybe get of the net and go take care of your flock, shoot a wolf or two.... Night night going fishing while us whiteys still can[/QUOTE]

thank god! I mean good luck!!!

[HappyJack]

O.K, enough you guys. This thread is about who can or cannot hunt moose legally in region 5 this year. Your personal squabbling won't change the issue we are all facing--namely too many people chasing too few moose. I live in 5-13 and I,m not happy about the changes happening around here but it is what it is. The moose just aren't out there like they were ten or more years ago due to beetle kill, clear cut salvage logging and extensive forest fires. The whole country has changed. Of course there are still a few around but nothing like there were twenty years ago. I think we all need to step back and give the moose and the country some time to recover, or else there won't be any moose left for anyone. We don't have to like it but that's the way it is. I notice in the new hunting regs. there's no longer an open season on caribou in 5-12. So who's fault is that? Should we lay blame and squabble over that too? And of course- no more grizzly hunting in B.C.- except for first nations hunters. I went to Bella Coola last month fishing and saw just as many grizzlies as I usually do at that time of year but the salmon were a lot scarcer than usual. The situation is changing and we will have to adapt to it, like it or not.
Respectfully , Max.

Well said Max.

[Piperdown]

Couldn't agree more Max, as you stated with the fishing, i live on the ocean on the west coast, our opportunities are getting clawed back to a huge extent. Where i live i can't even fish in front of my own house closed from Sooke to Port Renfrew and they want to close the Swiftsure and Big banks. I can see this happening with the hunting as it has already started, but i will not stand by and listen to a fn chief who says us white folk should not be able to hunt moose and he will ask his members to not shoot cows. Until they come to the table keep numbers of the animals they harvest no one will know how many moose are taken. I have a vested interest in the moose, i own 80 acres and have a beautiful log cabin i built in area 6-04. That is a lot of time and money invested into moose hunting and yet i have chosen for the last 4 years to not shoot one, even though i had many opportunities. This year my wife got a draw and we are going to use it as she has been diagnosed with terminal cancer and we don't know how long she has. So when i see the fn's in our area shoot 7 pregnant cows in 1 day in their wintering grounds maybe people can understand why i am a little wary of handing over the management of the moose population to these people. I am up to my neck in writing letters and going to meetings to do with the fishing so do not have any time to go up north to meetings about the moose. I do appreciate all that the people who donate their time to this situation, so maybe a few on here who seem to think they know it all and these people are not doing a good job should get off their asses and sign up, run these organizations and fix the problem instead of just bitching about it, rant over.

[Mosin]

Piperdown, I'm sure you have a cell phone like just about everyone else these days. Did you happen to get pics if the 7 moose cows shot in one day? That must of attracted lots of bears into the are, all them stinking moose carcasses. Good on ya for speaking up, now just post up pics too.

[BgBlkDg]

Piperdown, very well said and all I can say is to offer my sincere sympathy to you and your lady suffering from this awful illness.

My wife, just 71, is also not well and I am about "done" where volunteer environmental conservationist activities are concerned. I hope you folks get that Moose, and enjoy eating it.

Peace be with you, God Bless.

[338win mag]

I believe the Chilcotins are setting the first example. It would be better if all band members were on side with the leaders but we whiteys have the same issues. Maybe if RHs sided with Natives on this issue it could achieve the goal sooner. Predators need to be addressed, like it or not, and all hunters need to lay off or we will need to go to the prairies to see a damn moose.
The first sentence in the linked article is...The Tsilhqot’in National Government (TNG) will be attempting to ban Limited Entry Hunt (LEH) licenses for moose hunting in its territory this fall.
I think this has alot of people wondering where this is going as the Moose pops have tanked everywhere, so what stops another band from following suit?
Band members being onside with their leaders?? and whitey has the same issue's??
I dont think so, maybe if the bands would level charges against their own rogue members with similiar penalties to what a BC resident would receive then that would be a step closer, but there isn't.

I think as far as conservation is concerned resident hunters are onside with the band, we all want the resource to flourish, or dont we?

"Leadership at the meeting also agreed by consensus to enact an emergency Tsilhqot’in law to protect moose populations by banning LEH in the territory, effectively restricting all non-First Nations from hunting moose."

Scary stuff^^^^^

I dont hunt there but know guys who do/did and they have seen what go's on, they dont have pics to prove it, their word is good enough for me. I have seen what happens in other area's of the province, I believe my own eyes and dont care what others think about that, I will say Mule deer are next.
I'm not attacking the band/s right to hunt but rather the bands right to cull a hunt of their choosing while they continue to do the same.
gcreek, There is nothing stopping any indian band in this country from enacting its own laws enabling them to charge its own members with hunting offences, nothing whatsoever.
Leh down to 246 from 325.....G/O down from 145 to 128 and the FN quota is down from ? to ?...there is nothing stopping any indian band in this country from keeping stats if they were really interested in conservation, hey thats not an infringement of any indian bands right to hunt, section 35 or otherwise, and it should be implemented as soon as possible across the country because the same thing is happening elswhere, it smells fishy.
I also agree with piperdown.

[Piperdown]

Piperdown, I'm sure you have a cell phone like just about everyone else these days. Did you happen to get pics if the 7 moose cows shot in one day? That must of attracted lots of bears into the are, all them stinking moose carcasses. Good on ya for speaking up, now just post up pics too.

Co was there saw it all happen, his words "nothing i can do and they wonder why there are no moose" his hands were/are tied. BBD thanks for the kind wishes. we are trying to make the best out of a bad situation, just trying to stay positive and live our lives as normal as we can

[dana]

So you want to fix the problem by putting Weaver/Horgan/Trudeau into the driver's seat? Too funny Piper. You do realize all these guys want to do is take away your hunting rights and hand it over to the First Nations. It is in the UN world agenda, the same socialistic garbage you spew on here every day. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you are going to spew the virtues of your Socialist Leaders, then you better suck it up and accept that you will not be hunting in the near future. This is what makes me laugh about many members of this site. They gladly handed over their hunting rights when they cast their votes in the last election and then decide to blame everyone but themselves for their predicament.

[Muledeercrazy2]

So you want to fix the problem by putting Weaver/Horgan/Trudeau into the driver's seat? Too funny Piper. You do realize all these guys want to do is take away your hunting rights and hand it over to the First Nations. It is in the UN world agenda, the same socialistic garbage you spew on here every day. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you are going to spew the virtues of your Socialist Leaders, then you better suck it up and accept that you will not be hunting in the near future. This is what makes me laugh about many members of this site. They gladly handed over their hunting rights when they cast their votes in the last election and then decide to blame everyone but themselves for their predicament.

Very true. If you voted for Weaver or Trudeau you should give your head a shake if this surprises you. More to come, likely

[dana]

Wow is all i can say, and yes you are arrogant. Who the hell said i wanted or voted for any you mentioned, i did not. Like i said before, step up to the plate big man, show us all how smart you are because it is obvious we are all dummies compared to you. You talk the same shit post after post and do jack shit about nothing. The one and only Dana, please take the reins and right this sinking ship, lead us into your know it all world. On a final note please get back on the meds you seem to be a bit delusional at the moment, nice attack too, two thumbs up.

Sooo Let me get this straight, if I post my opinions on this site, I'm an arrogant dick know it all, but if you post up your opinions, they are fact and gospel and you are just a humble guy who is trying to change the world one post at a time? Hahaha! I'll say it again, if it looks like an Anti, talks like an Anti and walks like an Anti, it is probably an Anti! If you aren't then you best change the message you post on this site. For me, I'm happy being precieved as a Arrogant dick. I take it as a complement. :)

[358mag]

Very true. If you voted for Horgan or Weaver or Trudeau you should give your head a shake if this surprises you. More to come, likely
Fixed it for you

[bearvalley]

This thread has turned into a dandy!
Looks to me like if you don’t drink out of the slop bucket you’re a POS, a d**khead or an arrogant SOB.
LMAO, what a productive brotherhood.
Seems a bit strange that the boys in the interior can support a moose closure if it’s nessasary in the area they call home.... but to others it’s an infringement on their god given rights.

[Piperdown]

Sooo Let me get this straight, if I post my opinions on this site, I'm an arrogant dick know it all, but if you post up your opinions, they are fact and gospel and you are just a humble guy who is trying to change the world one post at a time? Hahaha! I'll say it again, if it looks like an Anti, talks like an Anti and walks like an Anti, it is probably an Anti! If you aren't then you best change the message you post on this site. For me, I'm happy being precieved as a Arrogant dick. I take it as a complement. :)

You must have a hard time grasping and understanding the english language. It seems the only opinion i posted on this topic is that i do not believe the fn's would stop hunting moose and that they want the rest of us to stop. Yes i did call you an arrogant dick and deleted it and apologized for it (i think the apology was a mistake by your actions afterwards). So who did you vote for, how are you going to fix things from your computer. The fact i posted about the cows being shot was a fact call the co in Burns lake and he will confirm it. Did i ever say your opinions were wrong NO, do you say shit about what i post as being wrong, being an anti etc YES. The looks and talks line is very old is that the best you can come up with. Step up to the plate i will ask again, take control of the sinking ship steer us to clearer waters. At least Jessy and the likes are trying to do something not like you hiding behind your key board telling all who have a different opinion clueless. Oh and please show me and the other members what i post on here is anti hunting. Now i for one would like to apologize to the members on this site for this thread taking a left turn it seems my new found friend is getting his joys off on derailing this topic. Can we get back on topic now, Dana if you want to chuck shit at me do it in a pm not on this thread it is getting tiresome. Again sorry to the other fine members of HBC.

[dana]

Derail the thread eh? Hahaha. You had that well under way long before i posted and you started attacking me. But like any socialist, you can not take even the slightest opposing view now can you? Call me a dick and then say sorry all you want. Again, i could care less about your opinions of me.

[bearvalley]

At least Jessy and the likes are trying to do something.........

Piperdown, I’ll play your game.....What’s “Jessy and the likes” doing to make one more single moose in this province?
Have you ever sat in on any meetings dealing with moose recovery?
Youre pretty hard on others that actually do have concerns with issues that “Jessy and the likes” are propagating.
You’ve taken your shots at them.... let’s hear how you would fix this mess....your own thoughts and plan.
Lapping out of the slop pail hasn’t worked in the past.....how are we gonna make more moose?

[Piperdown]

Piperdown, I’ll play your game.....What’s “Jessy and the likes” doing to make one more single moose in this province?
Have you ever sat in on any meetings dealing with moose recovery?
Youre pretty hard on others that actually do have concerns with issues that “Jessy and the likes” are propagating.
You’ve taken your shots at them.... let’s hear how you would fix this mess....your own thoughts and plan.
Lapping out of the slop pail hasn’t worked in the past.....how are we gonna make more moose?

Taken shots i take it that means my opinions, ok my thoughts, first off wolf cull, second people need to shoot more bears, i have taken hunting bears up, i do not like the bear meat as much but try to do my part, third road deactivations to much open access and easy access to to much land. As for the fn's have rights to hunt with no reporting i think that is wrong how can you manage a resource with out knowing all of what is taken is mind boggling, from what i understand the moose only came to be in the areas around 100 years ago so why does one user group get total access when the other group was also here at that time, but this is another whole issue. Habitat restoration would be a start and more govt involvement in compiling data, when the beetle kill started it was right in our back door at the cabin, anti's didnt want any logging and look where that got us. Then after extensive logging not a winter moose survey for 10 years, talked to the co numerous about not seeing the numbers of moose and called the ministry multiple times and nothing was done, the last thing i want is no moose in the bush or no fish in the ocean. Also the comment you made in a previous post about the lower mainlanders not doing anything and coming to your area to shoot all the moose, we are all Canadians and access should be the same no matter where you live, you don't hear me bitching about all the people coming to the island to fish, its a mute point. As for me coming to meetings, you know where i live so going to meetings is tough to do, i am up to my neck in meetings dealing with all the bs going on about closing down most of the coast for a total finfish closure. As for Jesse i am no expert, but i see a guy trying and an organization trying, now it seems you, Gcreek and my new best friend Dana seem to have it all worked out so why not take positions in the BCWF and fix it, i do hear through the grapevine about this new Wildlife Stewardship, what is it, why is it not out there and being kept kinda secret and some of the people who have been ripping me a new ass are involved, can you share intel to the res hunters or is it a big secret. I know you have issue with Jesse especially in regards to the land grazing lease dealings but is not being audited a good thing could prove your case.

[IronNoggin]

Wow Piper!! :shock:
Quite Admirable actually!!

You managed to drag damn near the entire HBC Droolin' Dalton Gang out for another attempt at a public lynching!
Been a spell methinks!

Tip of the hat for that!!

https://i.imgur.com/d3Os2lG.gif

I would suggest not being quite so quick to engage with them however.
They do indeed have a shared agenda, and as already well indicated, are nowhere near being above twisting your words to their own devices.

Rest assured, like their namesakes (who also spent countless days in lockdown) they will soon implode, and bother you no more here. :wink:

Best of Luck to your Lady!
I extend my wish and prayers for a speedy & full recovery! https://bigshotsbc.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/Pozitive.gif

Cheers!
Matt

[Spy]

Taken shots i take it that means my opinions, ok my thoughts, first off wolf cull, second people need to shoot more bears, i have taken hunting bears up, i do not like the bear meat as much but try to do my part, third road deactivations to much open access and easy access to to much land. As for the fn's have rights to hunt with no reporting i think that is wrong how can you manage a resource with out knowing all of what is taken is mind boggling, from what i understand the moose only came to be in the areas around 100 years ago so why does one user group get total access when the other group was also here at that time, but this is another whole issue. Habitat restoration would be a start and more govt involvement in compiling data, when the beetle kill started it was right in our back door at the cabin, anti's didnt want any logging and look where that got us. Then after extensive logging not a winter moose survey for 10 years, talked to the co numerous about not seeing the numbers of moose and called the ministry multiple times and nothing was done, the last thing i want is no moose in the bush or no fish in the ocean. Also the comment you made in a previous post about the lower mainlanders not doing anything and coming to your area to shoot all the moose, we are all Canadians and access should be the same no matter where you live, you don't hear me bitching about all the people coming to the island to fish, its a mute point. As for me coming to meetings, you know where i live so going to meetings is tough to do, i am up to my neck in meetings dealing with all the bs going on about closing down most of the coast for a total finfish closure. As for Jesse i am no expert, but i see a guy trying and an organization trying, now it seems you, Gcreek and my new best friend Dana seem to have it all worked out so why not take positions in the BCWF and fix it, i do hear through the grapevine about this new Wildlife Stewardship, what is it, why is it not out there and being kept kinda secret and some of the people who have been ripping me a new ass are involved, can you share intel to the res hunters or is it a big secret. I know you have issue with Jesse especially in regards to the land grazing lease dealings but is not being audited a good thing could prove your case.


X2 I have to agree with you :-)
If the feds can pay 5 million $$$$ to kill deer on the Queen Charlottes why can't we have a wolf cull???? Why are those that are allowed to hunt at night not hammering wolves at night ??? Stop spraying to kill the willow that the moose need! Start managing our forest again make sure once they are logged they get re planted and roads deactivated... lots we can do we just need someone with balls to get this shit rolling...
Oh last but not least shut the moose hunt down for the next 3 years then do a count and if the numbers are still down keep it closed... Anyone caught hunting moose during the closure gets 10 grand fine and Truck & all hunting gear confiscated..... Does not matter who you are white black pink native....

Ps sorry to hear about your wife that horrible news .......

[338win mag]

If resident hunters LEH are being curtailed...I was wondering how many Moose the G/O are going to be giving up?
or is it just the RH who are being targeted?

[bearvalley]

I know you have issue with Jesse especially in regards to the land grazing lease dealings but is not being audited a good thing could prove your case.

Piperdown, I agree with you on most of your points.

As for the part I’ve quoted here...there are a lot of people that have an issue with Mr Zeman and his “cherry picked” attack on rural people and their lifestyle.

I would suggest you read U Vic’s audit request, the slander cast towards cattle producers and endorsement of Weavers right to roam act.
This request isn’t just a call for an audit..:.its a libelous attack against livestock producers and private property owners that seems to have been instigated by only a few of the BCWF executive, one or two paid employees and Weavers old cronies at U Vic.

Kind of strange that members of the fed executive and directors were kept out of the loop that the BCWF was going to start a range war, don’t you think.

As for the audit request on grazing tenures...I welcome it and believe what’s currently in place will mostly stand up under scrutiny.

Now I’ll tell you what the BCWF has done for moose recovery....Sweet F-all.
They have only backed off of their stance of maximum access and harvest opportunity when someone else has called their hand and backed them down.

So Piperdown, if these pr***s get their way with their “right to roam” free for all will you let me know where your own deeded dirt is?
I figure if I’ve got to share I might as well use someone elses

[bearvalley]

If resident hunters LEH are being curtailed...I was wondering how many Moose the G/O are going to be giving up?
or is it just the RH who are being targeted?

Pretty reasonable to assume it will all be shut down.
Thats how the last reduction there worked.

[338win mag]

Pretty reasonable to assume it will all be shut down.
Thats how the last reduction there worked.
Thanks, that sounds reasonable.

[bearvalley]

Wow Piper!! :shock:
Quite Admirable actually!!

You managed to drag damn near the entire HBC Droolin' Dalton Gang out for another attempt at a public lynching!
Been a spell methinks!

Tip of the hat for that!!

https://i.imgur.com/d3Os2lG.gif

I would suggest not being quite so quick to engage with them however.
They do indeed have a shared agenda, and as already well indicated, are nowhere near being above twisting your words to their own devices.

Rest assured, like their namesakes (who also spent countless days in lockdown) they will soon implode, and bother you no more here. :wink:

Best of Luck to your Lady!
I extend my wish and prayers for a speedy & full recovery! https://bigshotsbc.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/Pozitive.gif

Cheers!
Matt

Nog, I thought you and your buds were the “ Droolin Dalton Gang”......

[Spy]

This is how we should be hunting wolves......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpnkmZ2e1YA

[Piperdown]

Piperdown, I agree with you on most of your points.

As for the part I’ve quoted here...there are a lot of people that have an issue with Mr Zeman and his “cherry picked” attack on rural people and their lifestyle.

I would suggest you read U Vic’s audit request, the slander cast towards cattle producers and endorsement of Weavers right to roam act.
This request isn’t just a call for an audit..:.its a libelous attack against livestock producers and private property owners that seems to have been instigated by only a few of the BCWF executive, one or two paid employees and Weavers old cronies at U Vic.

Kind of strange that members of the fed executive and directors were kept out of the loop that the BCWF was going to start a range war, don’t you think.

As for the audit request on grazing tenures...I welcome it and believe what’s currently in place will mostly stand up under scrutiny.

Now I’ll tell you what the BCWF has done for moose recovery....Sweet F-all.
They have only backed off of their stance of maximum access and harvest opportunity when someone else has called their hand and backed them down.

So Piperdown, if these pr***s get their way with their “right to roam” free for all will you let me know where your own deeded dirt is?
I figure if I’ve got to share I might as well use someone elses

Fair enough, when i get the time i will look into it can you supply me the link, now just a question in regards to cattle grazing do you feel they compete with the moose and deer population for food. At our cabin the wolf numbers are way down, i only shot 1, they are not the easiest to hunt but the local trappers have had good success, as for the bear population it is through the roof, 32 different bear in 5 days this May. Apparently according to Dana i voted for Dream Weaver and Horgan, but i know that is not the case, i for one wish there would be another election. You should be aware of the new voting changes they are trying to make if it goes through kiss your ass and anyone elses who lives north of Hope, the LML will rule the province. i must however admit my wife voted for Turdo, still a sore point and she admits it was a mistake but i love my wife so i forgave her. So do you have any intel on the new organization, oh and by the way i have not renewed my BCWF membership for 3 years after the mess that was happening so as of now i am on the fence.

[bearvalley]

Piperdown, if your serious pm me a phone# and we can talk.

[gcreek]

The first sentence in the linked article is...The Tsilhqot’in National Government (TNG) will be attempting to ban Limited Entry Hunt (LEH) licenses for moose hunting in its territory this fall.
I think this has alot of people wondering where this is going as the Moose pops have tanked everywhere, so what stops another band from following suit?
Band members being onside with their leaders?? and whitey has the same issue's??
I dont think so, maybe if the bands would level charges against their own rogue members with similiar penalties to what a BC resident would receive then that would be a step closer, but there isn't.

I think as far as conservation is concerned resident hunters are onside with the band, we all want the resource to flourish, or dont we?

"Leadership at the meeting also agreed by consensus to enact an emergency Tsilhqot’in law to protect moose populations by banning LEH in the territory, effectively restricting all non-First Nations from hunting moose."

Scary stuff^^^^^

I dont hunt there but know guys who do/did and they have seen what go's on, they dont have pics to prove it, their word is good enough for me. I have seen what happens in other area's of the province, I believe my own eyes and dont care what others think about that, I will say Mule deer are next.
I'm not attacking the band/s right to hunt but rather the bands right to cull a hunt of their choosing while they continue to do the same.
gcreek, There is nothing stopping any indian band in this country from enacting its own laws enabling them to charge its own members with hunting offences, nothing whatsoever.
Leh down to 246 from 325.....G/O down from 145 to 128 and the FN quota is down from ? to ?...there is nothing stopping any indian band in this country from keeping stats if they were really interested in conservation, hey thats not an infringement of any indian bands right to hunt, section 35 or otherwise, and it should be implemented as soon as possible across the country because the same thing is happening elswhere, it smells fishy.
I also agree with piperdown.

A lot of excellence the points here.

I read the link with the same reaction as most who have posted here did and immediately gave my opinion to both Joe Alphonse and Jimmy Lulua, new chief of Nehemiah. I expressed to them that they would receive a lot more support if their announcement included all hunters and a proposal of what they are wanting done with predators. Their replies were similar in that they were encouraging band member to leave moose alone and that addressing the predator issue is high on their priority list.

Imhope they walk what what they talk but at least they are concerned about the problem.

I haven’t heard of any Hunter groups speaking the same thoughts, that is why my opinion stands as it does.

Personally, I have killed 5 moose in my life to put food on the table, I prefer beef, lamb and pork of our own raising. I have no problem with those hunting as long as no abuse and the population supports hunting. I don’t believe it does at present. I also took it upon myself to get the RCMP involved when 7 moose were killed in one day in our area, one of them being on our private land. The RCMP can’t stop the hunting but they did collect a few firearms that had no PAL with them , a couple of vehicles with drunk drivers and a unregistered snow machine. Definitely curtailed the guys that were selling for a while.........

I enjoy seeing moose,even if they create work in fence repair and steal a little hay in the winter. I will continue to help them as long as they are in trouble.

I have also been responsible for the removal of more wolves than most on this site but that is another story.

[gcreek]

If resident hunters LEH are being curtailed...I was wondering how many Moose the G/O are going to be giving up?
or is it just the RH who are being targeted?


Yes, local outfitters have been cut back also. One is down to 2/3 of one moose per year or 2moose in 3 years. Hard to keep infrastructure for that.

[LBM]

This is how we should be hunting wolves......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpnkmZ2e1YA


No need for night hunting of any animal. Personally find wolves fairly easy to hunt.

[bearvalley]

Personally find wolves fairly easy to hunt.

You’re an exception!
How many wolves do you kill in a year?

[chilcotin hillbilly]

No need for night hunting of any animal. Personally find wolves fairly easy to hunt.

You should offer a course.
Interested in how much you have actually have done. I am always looking for good guides.

[REMINGTON JIM]

Years of over harvest, under management, over population, deforestation will do that.
I have yet to hear one resident hunter say that he is going to reduce his harvest to help conservation.

Well SAID ! every body wants there moose BUT there not willing to give up 5 years of hunting time ! jmo RJ

[IronNoggin]

Nog, I thought you and your buds were the “ Droolin Dalton Gang”......

LOL! Nice to be "recognized" by one of the The Gang, but I'm certainly not in it as you well know.
Anyway, good to know you ain't "Ike" Mike. ;)

Carry On...

LOL :lol:
Nog

[bearvalley]

LOL! Nice to be "recognized" by one of the The Gang, but I'm certainly not in it as you well know.
Anyway, good to know you ain't "Ike" Mike. ;)

Carry On...

LOL :lol:
Nog

LMAO, Matt!
I’m surprised you didn’t bail in with LBM and claim to be part of the “easy do” wolf removal gang as well.
I seem to remember you promising to tell your wolf management/reduction plan a few years ago....then you went silent.
I would love to hear the words of wisdom on wolf removal from a man, such as you that claims to have taken out thousands.
Hell man, if you’d passed on your knowledge when you promised we might not have the moose shortage we have now!
Lol!

[LBM]

LMAO, Matt!
I’m surprised you didn’t bail in with LBM and claim to be part of the “easy do” wolf removal gang as well.
I seem to remember you promising to tell your wolf management/reduction plan a few years ago....then you went silent.
I would love to hear the words of wisdom on wolf removal from a man, such as you that claims to have taken out thousands.
Hell man, if you’d passed on your knowledge when you promised we might not have the moose shortage we have now!
Lol!

Seems you have joined the twist the words around gang. To bad.

[LBM]

You’re an exception!
How many wolves do you kill in a year?

Sorry I dont base things or ones ability on how many animals one can kill.

[f350ps]

LOL, it is ok to call others dinks, a guy he's never met "Big Chief", or someone a POS. though.

Liberals call for free speech until it doesn't agree with their thought process. Maybe you are on the something.... maybe it is transgender and has x on it's birth certificate.

Don't worry about civility with this character. I haven't witnessed the courtesy returned yet.

You deserve no courtesy, maybe get of the net and go take care of your flock, shoot a wolf or two.... Night night going fishing while us whiteys still can[/QUOTE]

[LBM]

You should offer a course.
Interested in how much you have actually have done. I am always looking for good guides.

You do bait hunts not my style, you can get anyone for that, that has the patience to sit there all day.
Forgot to answer your question, for quit a few more years then you have been guiding.

[bearvalley]

Seems you have joined the twist the words around gang. To bad.

LBM, one day you might figure out who the bullshit peddlers are on here!

[f350ps]

LOL, it is ok to call others dinks, a guy he's never met "Big Chief", or someone a POS. though.

Liberals call for free speech until it doesn't agree with their thought process. Maybe you are on the something.... maybe it is transgender and has x on it's birth certificate.

Don't worry about civility with this character. I haven't witnessed the courtesy returned yet.

You deserve no courtesy, maybe get of the net and go take care of your flock, shoot a wolf or two.... Night night going fishing while us whiteys still can[/QUOTE]
I guess fishing slow hey Pipes??

[LBM]

LBM, one day you might figure out who the bullshit peddlers are on here!
Oh there is lots plus many agenda peddlers.

[bearvalley]

Oh there is lots plus many agenda peddlers.

There’s no denying that.

[Boner]

No need for night hunting of any animal. Personally find wolves fairly easy to hunt.


You’re an exception!
How many wolves do you kill in a year?


Sorry I dont base things or ones ability on how many animals one can kill.

It’s a fair question. How many wolves have you killed? I think it’s a good way to help reduce the moose decline, so out of curiosity I’d like to learn how to do it your way so I can be more successful at it.

[Piperdown]

Wow Piper!! :shock:
Quite Admirable actually!!

You managed to drag damn near the entire HBC Droolin' Dalton Gang out for another attempt at a public lynching!
Been a spell methinks!

Tip of the hat for that!!

https://i.imgur.com/d3Os2lG.gif

I would suggest not being quite so quick to engage with them however.
They do indeed have a shared agenda, and as already well indicated, are nowhere near being above twisting your words to their own devices.

Rest assured, like their namesakes (who also spent countless days in lockdown) they will soon implode, and bother you no more here. :wink:

Best of Luck to your Lady!
I extend my wish and prayers for a speedy & full recovery! https://bigshotsbc.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/Pozitive.gif

Cheers!
Matt

Thanks Matt, but apparently i am dumb and have thick skin and a top notch socialist :) Thanks for the well wishes and I hope you have been able to get out on the water, Renfrew has been really good.

[Piperdown]

You deserve no courtesy, maybe get of the net and go take care of your flock, shoot a wolf or two.... Night night going fishing while us whiteys still can
I guess fishing slow hey Pipes??[/QUOTE]

No 350 been very good actually, didn't make it out yesterday as the wife was having an off day, last day was friday, hit the high tide for 4 hrs, released 4, lost 2 and bonked a 24,30,35, the 30 was a white, beauty of a fish, buddy kept 2 of them and i gave 1 to my Alberta buddy who seems to have a hard time catching fish :)

Now can we get this back on track AGAIN, Spy good point on the herbicide spraying, i forgot about that, does anyone have any info on this links?? As for the hunting wolves as i stated i have only shot 1, came close on 3 others but shooting down a rd/skidder trail was not a good idea so passed on that one and the other 2 were quicker than I. even though we all like to piss on each others cornflakes remember this about moose. Chief Joe might really be making an effort but when his band won't listen to him it is a mute point and if we get shut down from moose hunting well look where that has gotten us with the fishing, we will not get it back.

[Wild one]

FN are achieving results with their agenda

Environmentalists are achieving results with their agenda

Hunters not so much. Why are hunters failing?could it be how we represent our selves?

Right now all I see is finger pointing, unrealistic dreams, poor representation, division, greed, and a mind set that expects change from everyone else but hunters. It’s the same BS over and over which has lead to failure time and time again. At this time I don’t see a bright future for hunting in BC.

Sad thing is I have seen some come forward with positive ideas for the future of hunting in BC but loose steam because it is not part of the “clicks” agenda.

I think all can at least agree right now when it comes to protecting hunters and wildlife we a Hunters are failing

Now how long is it going to take before people stop defending people/organizations, stop pointing fingers everywhere, and admit hunters need rethink how we go about things

Easy to see a lot of hunters are pissed off at how things are going

[boxhitch]

Spy good point on the herbicide spraying, i forgot about that, does anyone have any info on this links??Like StopthesprayBC ?

[boxhitch]

Now how long is it going to take before people stop defending people/organizations, stop pointing fingers everywhere, and admit hunters need rethink how we go about things Most find it easier to biatch and stand in front of the bus instead of getting on board and actually having some influence with the drivers
Keep in mind what is happening in real life is not necessarily what is spewed around the 'web and HBC so there is hope.

[boxhitch]

If resident hunters LEH are being curtailed...I was wondering how many Moose the G/O are going to be giving up?
or is it just the RH who are being targeted?In the linked article, no mystery
"New 2018/19 licensed harvest for residents is 246 moose, down from 325 moose in 2017. Guide quota has been reduced from 145 in 2017 to 128 in 2018."

[Wild one]

Most find it easier to biatch and stand in front of the bus instead of getting on board and actually having some influence with the drivers
Keep in mind what is happening in real life is not necessarily what is spewed around the 'web and HBC so there is hope.

Agree there is a lot going on beyond what is posted on HBC

As for the whole bus theory right now many don’t see BC hunters even having a vehicle for improvement. Personally when I have a vehicle that constantly fails time and time again there comes a point to replace it

Some seem to forget you are not going to see support from those who do not agree with another’s path or vision. You need to ask is the reason people are not jumping on your bus is they don’t see it going in the correct direction?

[338win mag]

FN are achieving results with their agenda

Environmentalists are achieving results with their agenda

Hunters not so much. Why are hunters failing?could it be how we represent our selves?

Right now all I see is finger pointing, unrealistic dreams, poor representation, division, greed, and a mind set that expects change from everyone else but hunters. It’s the same BS over and over which has lead to failure time and time again. At this time I don’t see a bright future for hunting in BC.

Sad thing is I have seen some come forward with positive ideas for the future of hunting in BC but loose steam because it is not part of the “clicks” agenda.

I think all can at least agree right now when it comes to protecting hunters and wildlife we a Hunters are failing

Now how long is it going to take before people stop defending people/organizations, stop pointing fingers everywhere, and admit hunters need rethink how we go about things

Easy to see a lot of hunters are pissed off at how things are going
The FN agenda of which you refer is originally, not their idea.....and when the FN achieve their end then the anti's win as well, thats why.
The real reason hunters go nowhere (going backward fast) is because there are no votes in the hunting community, probably only 100,000 at best, we are easy to abuse and get away with it, protesting is futile.

Finger pointing is human nature when/if hope is all you have, hope is a pipe dream if there is no substance or light at the end of the tunnel.

I think resident hunters would be agreeable to giving something up in the hope to get something back in the future, but i'm afraid once its gone its unlikely its going to be coming back.
Like I said before the anti's should be careful what they wish for.

Anyone ever wonder why FN are so silent about keeping stats? because that would/could be considered an infringement of their right, (I totally disagree) if they did keep stats there might be some left for resident hunters. There wont be any left for residents as those involved will see to it.
Lets say in 5 years Moose are back to former numbers 20 years ago.....if the FN simply shoot more there wont be any allocated for residents so no wonder why resident hunters are digging their heels in.
Its unlikely a change politically in this country will give relief from the agenda hatched in a foreign land, its actually taking from our sovereignty as a nation, thats where we are.

I thought section 35 rights were in place to protect indigenous rights from anti's and foreign interests, not screwing over the citizens of the country, but looks like here we are.

[Mosin]

Post #133 guys the nail on the head. I just didn't want to reply the whole thing and only add a sentence e lol.

[elch jager]

FN are achieving results with their agenda

Environmentalists are achieving results with their agenda

Hunters not so much. Why are hunters failing?could it be how we represent our selves?

..................


Maybe because 90% of us work for a living? While 90% of FN and bleeding heart Enviro's don't...?

When you only get 3 weeks vacation and are trying to raise a family... it is pretty tough to carve out time to coordinate and make a stand.

[Wild one]

Maybe because 90% of us work for a living? While 90% of FN and bleeding heart Enviro's don't...?

When you only get 3 weeks vacation and are trying to raise a family... it is pretty tough to carve out time to coordinate and make a stand.

No doubt a part of it but not the only reason

[303savage]

The whole native bulls%^t is getting tiring. And the police seem to have a hands off approach.

[Sirloin]

Maybe because 90% of us work for a living? While 90% of FN and bleeding heart Enviro's don't...?

When you only get 3 weeks vacation and are trying to raise a family... it is pretty tough to carve out time to coordinate and make a stand.

Well it doesn't hurt the FN's / enviro's agenda to have the United Nations behind them with their 2030 agenda. As well as the universities, public school system, left wing politicians, left wing progressive media, the CBC.

The Hunting community is about to face its biggest challenges its ever seen in this country. We stand together or fall, simple as that.

[325]

Well it doesn't hurt the FN's / enviro's agenda to have the United Nations behind them with their 2030 agenda. As well as the universities, public school system, left wing politicians, left wing progressive media, the CBC.

The Hunting community is about to face its biggest challenges its ever seen in this country. We stand together or fall, simple as that.

You nailed it.

[BgBlkDg]

As a lifelone "enviro" since age 15 and just passed my 72 birthday, I take exception to the ignorant crap about not working. I worked all of my life, would do 5+ month stints alone in the bush, working every day and NO time off. I owned my own business, 60+ hour weeks and often 4-5 months between any days off and so on and so forth.

I do admit that a LOT of dawgf**king lunchbuckets in the big unions and various other such illiterate pizzants do not seem to work very hard and there appears to be many of these here on HBC, however, we "enviros" tend to be hardworking, productive people who are REAL Canadians and not a bunch of "DPs", as my veteran uncles called them...........

[bearvalley]

FN are achieving results with their agenda

Environmentalists are achieving results with their agenda

Hunters not so much. Why are hunters failing?could it be how we represent our selves?

Right now all I see is finger pointing, unrealistic dreams, poor representation, division, greed, and a mind set that expects change from everyone else but hunters. It’s the same BS over and over which has lead to failure time and time again. At this time I don’t see a bright future for hunting in BC.

I still believe there’s a future for hunting in BC, it’s just that the waters are a touch muddy right now.
Then again, I have been told I’m a bit thick headed.


Maybe because 90% of us work for a living? While 90% of FN and bleeding heart Enviro's don't...?

When you only get 3 weeks vacation and are trying to raise a family... it is pretty tough to carve out time to coordinate and make a stand.

Thats a piss poor exscuse not to get involved.
Some of the most passionate people I know that are working on wildlife and habitat issues are also some of the busiest in their own personal careers.
They are spending hours of their own time on their own dime to try and achieve end results that benefit us all.

[bearvalley]

FN are achieving results with their agenda

Environmentalists are achieving results with their agenda

Hunters not so much. Why are hunters failing?could it be how we represent our selves?

Right now all I see is finger pointing, unrealistic dreams, poor representation, division, greed, and a mind set that expects change from everyone else but hunters. It’s the same BS over and over which has lead to failure time and time again. At this time I don’t see a bright future for hunting in BC.

Sad thing is I have seen some come forward with positive ideas for the future of hunting in BC but loose steam because it is not part of the “clicks” agenda.

I think all can at least agree right now when it comes to protecting hunters and wildlife we a Hunters are failing

Now how long is it going to take before people stop defending people/organizations, stop pointing fingers everywhere, and admit hunters need rethink how we go about things

Easy to see a lot of hunters are pissed off at how things are going


As a lifelone "enviro" since age 15 and just passed my 72 birthday, I take exception to the ignorant crap about not working. I worked all of my life, would do 5+ month stints alone in the bush, working every day and NO time off. I owned my own business, 60+ hour weeks and often 4-5 months between any days off and so on and so forth.

I do admit that a LOT of dawgf**king lunchbuckets in the big unions and various other such illiterate pizzants do not seem to work very hard and there appears to be many of these here on HBC, however, we "enviros" tend to be hardworking, productive people who are REAL Canadians and not a bunch of "DPs", as my veteran uncles called them...........

Dewey, you call a spade a spade!

[Piperdown]

Then again, I have been told I’m a bit thick headed.

Cant blame that one on me :)

[IronNoggin]

Seems you have joined the twist the words around gang. To bad.

And that he has, once again. :wink:

For you see I have been in on more wolf kills than most I know.
However I did not suggest I would share any "recipe" to make that so for anyone else.
What is required is serious, dedicated, knowledgeable wolf trappers who focus on little else.
Appears to be a bit of a problem, even for the Droolin' Daltons of the world... :lol:


LBM, one day you might figure out who the bullshit peddlers are on here!

Oh methinks he is getting close in that regard!! https://bigshotsbc.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/Pozitive.gif

Cheers,
Nog

[bearvalley]

And that he has, once again. :wink:

For you see I have been in on more wolf kills than most I know.
However I did not suggest I would share any "recipe" to make that so for anyone else.
What is required is serious, dedicated, knowledgeable wolf trappers who focus on little else.
Appears to be a bit of a problem, even for the Droolin' Daltons of the world... :lol:



Oh methinks he is getting close in that regard!! https://bigshotsbc.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/Pozitive.gif

Cheers,
Nog

Matt, I’m sure you’re the one and only ex-marine biologist wolf trapper!
Lol!

[Wild one]

Bearvalley I too think there is a future for hunting but sadly I think we will see more negative before things improve

[IronNoggin]

Matt, I’m sure you’re the one and only ex-marine biologist wolf trapper!
Lol!

Which would make me almost as special as a BCWF bashing, know it all guide on HBC! :lol:

Cheers!

[bearvalley]

Which would make me almost as special as a BCWF bashing, know it all guide on HBC! :lol:

Cheers!
I guess so Nog, I’m just a BCWF bashing, know it all guide...know nothing, piss poor rancher.

I probably know more about the dirty laundry within the BCWF than most would ever want to

Funny Matt, at one time I had a lot of respect for the BCWF, in fact enough that my name stood as a voting delegate for direct members.

I declined that position when the BCWF had a resolution to be voted on that called every First Nations hunter in this province a “poacher”.
Thats a pretty volitile position to take for a conservation organization.

George Wilson and the executive at that time pulled the resolution before the AGM.

I watched the Fed turn on their own members, on other stakeholders and the members that are supposedly represented by the organization.

I have a huge amount of respect for a lot of the hard working folks that are the real, true backbone of the BCWF.
I have none for the self serving, backstabbing POS that are manipulating the BCWF for their own personal agendas and egos.

These clowns are are in bed with the antis....Period.
That was obvious with the Feds hold back on predator management, both wolves and bears.

They are in bed with Weaver.
This came out loud and clear in their latest little poke at ranchers.
Sure, it’s labelled an audit request for grazing tenures, read the letter filed by the U Vic’s, Mr Sandborn on behalf of the BCWF.
Its nothing more than a “cherry picked” attack on livestock producers and the start of an erosion of private property rights.
Weavers propsed right to roam doesn’t just apply to crown land.
The trade off to access a few grazing leases sure as hell isnt worth the free for all every landowner in this province will have to face when the trespass act is no longer enforceable.

Carry on with your bullshit Nog, it’s to bad your knowleable butt isn’t at the table trying to make things better instead of pumping your ego on HBC.

One day you and your groupies will figure out you and what you support has been the biggest threat to wildlife this province has ever known...even worse than wolves.

Anyhow that’s enough rant from this know it all/know nothing piss poor rancher.
The offers open....come fill my boots for a while.....

As you say, Cheers!

[bearvalley]

Bearvalley I too think there is a future for hunting but sadly I think we will see more negative before things improve

Wild one, I agree with you.

[IronNoggin]

... it’s to bad your knowleable butt isn’t at the table trying to make things better instead of pumping your ego on HBC.

Beyond laughable!! :lol:

You post exactly (ego stroking) what you accuse others of, with ZERO understanding of their level of involvement.
No surprise, I would expect nothing less from a Droolin' Dalton!!

As far as my involvement goes, it really indicates just how very little you know about me, or where actual and functional involvement is this day and age. Nice cast, but I ain't rising to that one. Nor it appears are many rising to the initiative that drove your messenger boy status into getting banned here recently... :wink:

Sorry you seem so set in your despair that you refer to yourself as the "piss poor rancher".
Nice try to create some sympathy.
That btw way lies directly between shit and syphilis in the dictionary, and is likely close to what you are garnering here (and elsewhere under various alias)...

Have a great evening Mike.
Hope the cows all come home, and you manage to find a pot to piss in...

Cheers,
Nog

[dana]

And what was this thread about again? Oh yea, the fact that moose numbers have hit rock bottom and there needs to be something done to improve the situation.

[bearvalley]

And what was this thread about again? Oh yea, the fact that moose numbers have hit rock bottom and there needs to be something done to improve the situation.

All is good dana, Nog and his crew are gonna fix it!

[dana]

All is good dana, Nog and his crew are gonna fix it!

When it comes to fixing it, I have far more faith in the First Nations of this province than I do in The Crew.

[bearvalley]

When it comes to fixing it, I have far more faith in the First Nations of this province than I do in The Crew.

Me too dana, that’s why some of us are working with them and could care less about the “crew” that keeps bashing them.
Kind of funny where most of the hardline “crews” home addresses are.
Right in the middle of moose country and working like beavers on the “fix”.

[Ourea]

When it comes to fixing it, I have far more faith in the First Nations of this province than I do in The Crew.

Dana, everyone in this province is acutely aware that very little happens now without FN thanks to our current Gov.

There are some pretty awesome initiatives on the ground that took a lot of $$$ to make happen. Lot's of buzz and positives as a result. More will happen in the future as interest and support keeps growing for these type of initiatives.

Seeing a moose project in the future with the resources like that of the recent Mule Deer initiative .....future is looking better. It is a bit of sunshine in gloomy times.

[IronNoggin]

... There are some pretty awesome initiatives on the ground that took a lot of $$$ to make happen. Lot's of buzz and positives as a result. More will happen in the future as interest and support keeps growing for these type of initiatives.

Seeing a moose project in the future with the resources like that of the recent Mule Deer initiative .....future is looking better. It is a bit of sunshine in gloomy times.

AbSoEffingLutelY! https://bigshotsbc.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/Pozitive.gif

Thanks so much Ourea for being a breath of fresh air in an otherwise noxious environment!
Appreciated!!

Cheers Indeed!
Nog

[bearvalley]

Dana, everyone in this province is acutely aware that very little happens now without FN thanks to our current Gov.

There are some pretty awesome initiatives on the ground that took a lot of $$$ to make happen. Lot's of buzz and positives as a result. More will happen in the future as interest and support keeps growing for these type of initiatives.

Seeing a moose project in the future with the resources like that of the recent Mule Deer initiative .....future is looking better. It is a bit of sunshine in gloomy times.

Moose projects are happening Ourea.
Thats the key...we need more of these types of initiatives, but then when the problems are identified something needs done about it.

[Ourea]

$$$$$ being dedicated to the resource at a large scale is where we need to get.
I'm just not sure how many casualties there will be along the way by the looks at all the petty infighting and mudslinging. Com'on folks.....let's pull up our socks!!

[chilcotin hillbilly]

You do bait hunts not my style, you can get anyone for that, that has the patience to sit there all day.
Forgot to answer your question, for quit a few more years then you have been guiding.

If you can produce without baits I would gladly change up the system.
I just have my doubts your way would produce any better then baiting. I would love you to prove me wrong as I could fill up all winter with clients if I had a guide of your ability.

[bearvalley]

If you can produce without baits I would gladly change up the system.
I just have my doubts your way would produce any better then baiting. I would love you to prove me wrong as I could fill up all winter with clients if I had a guide of your ability.

Careful Doug, don’t question ability or integrity or you’ll get labelled as one of the “ word twisting Droolin Dalton boys”.
Its a good thing it’s about time to head to the mountains.

[Avalanche123]

Its a good thing it’s about time to head to the mountains.

Ya I so agree...I welcome my own induced exile from HBC for a few months. :)

[bosch]

This is all very discouraging news to my gal and I as after 12 years of waiting for a draw, she finally draws one in 5-12B. We are now on the fence as to whether we should go or not. We live on Vancouver island and have a long trip to get there only to be discouraged by running into pissed off natives over a decision that was made by the GC. We go hunting for the love of getting out in the wilderness and loving the nature and scenery that everyone on this earth should be entitled to share. Our motto has always been to except our annual hunting trip as a vacation and if we happen to harvest an animal, then we consider ourselves one of the fortunate ones that don't have to fight the rising costs of store bought meat.
I truly hope the natives and the GC can sort this crap out as I don't feel like vacationing in a potential war-zone with the woman I love but am willing to go elsewhere to protect her from any possible violent situations. Any thoughts?

[boxhitch]

I have no idea if this would work, but if I had the tag I would be making a call to the band office and getting their take on the hunt.
you know, the whole consultation thing. Maybe get a wave of the feather and a safe pass
Elsewhere mushroom pickers are getting permits, and have my own feelings about wagon vs teepee burning but when you want something sometimes the high road is the way to go........maybe

[Wild one]

I have no idea if this would work, but if I had the tag I would be making a call to the band office and getting their take on the hunt.
you know, the whole consultation thing. Maybe get a wave of the feather and a safe pass
Elsewhere mushroom pickers are getting permits, and have my own feelings about wagon vs teepee burning but when you want something sometimes the high road is the way to go........maybe

I would agree this is worth a shot for those with a draw. If the chief gives the ok it can give you peace of mind and an easy way to defuse a possible confrontation with unruly band members if you cross paths with them

It is sad that this should be considered but with the present situation a phone call would be wise to see where you stand

[338win mag]

I would agree this is worth a shot for those with a draw. If the chief gives the ok it can give you peace of mind and an easy way to defuse a possible confrontation with unruly band members if you cross paths with them

It is sad that this should be considered but with the present situation a phone call would be wise to see where you stand
I suppose its worth a try, keep in mind the chief of any indian band I have known has zero control over its people, so I would find out if they at least respect your LEH, if there is doubt either dont go or be prepared for the worst if you do go.

[Wild one]

I suppose its worth a try, keep in mind the chief of any indian band I have known has zero control over its people, so I would find out if they at least respect your LEH, if there is doubt either dont go or be prepared for the worst if you do go.

A signed note from a chief can go a long ways in some bands but every band is different and I have no experience with the one in ?.

[Piperdown]

The leh draw is legal, so go hunt, bear valley care to share some intel on the moose initiatives or is it for only a chosen few

[Rob Chipman]

"And what was this thread about again? Oh yea, the fact that moose numbers have hit rock bottom and there needs to be something done to improve the situation."


I was just going to bring that up. I don't think the OP was about moose numbers. I think it's about FNs competing with the provincial government for power. Seems to me like they're saying "The government may allow you to do something, but they aren't the guys calling the shots. We are, and we won't allow it".

We can argue about whether we need to shoot more wolves, shoot Jesse, stop hunting, stop spraying, or whatever, but the statement by the TNG isn't (in my opinion) really about moose. It's about sovereignty and who gets to exercise power. If moose weren't threatened they'd still want more control over territory that they believe they should control. The land settlement wasn't the end of the process.

The TNG is pretty leading edge on this, but the fact is that indigenous people exercise a great deal of influence over a lot of wildlife, and we haven't yet determined how that will work, long term.

We need to wrap our heads around that and make the best deal we can.

[Takla]

We've got 2-bull draws this yr,same area we went into blind some 15 yrs ago and on that first trip in we were confronted by a FN roadblock.Thier beef was with Canfor and not us but none the less were turning back any and all hunters.A few days later with a few shots of some good scotch under our belts we went back for a second opinion,after some heated words my elderly dad had a heart to heart with the area chief who happened to be up in age as well and staying there ,they were able to work out an agreement and in we went.I think talking in person with the band Chief worked in our favor as we had the entire area to our selves ,was a successful hunt and the chief got the noses/cheeks off the heads of our bulls.
Subsquently there has never been another roadblock in there to this day,but if there is i know who ill be talking to..

[338win mag]

The leh draw is legal, so go hunt, bear valley care to share some intel on the moose initiatives or is it for only a chosen few
From the wildlife act
Obstructing licensed persons80 A person commits an offence if the person interferes with or obstructs a person licensed or permitted to capture wildlife or to hunt, fish, guide or trap while that person is lawfully so engaged.

[tinhorse]

How about 5-14..... was hoping to be hunting my moose and deer in there this fall. Hoping to not see road blocks that I need to skirt around...
http://huntingbc.ca/forum/images/shades_of_green/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Squamch http://huntingbc.ca/forum/images/shades_of_green/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=2019515#post2019515)
Are they claiming all of region 5? Just south of 20? I'm really not looking for trouble, but I'd like to utilize my draw in 5-12.




5-12 is not claimed by the Chilcotins, unless Ulgatcho gets on board there should be no problem.

[Linksman313]

Good news all, spotted a Cow with triplets on my drive in from work last week!! Observed them for 35 minutes while they went water to confirm no other cows in the immediate area. I have never seen triples before and saw twins only twice in my life. This is all I can contribute after reading 167+ posts of people with way more knowledge and experience than I.

[LBM]

If you can produce without baits I would gladly change up the system.
I just have my doubts your way would produce any better then baiting. I would love you to prove me wrong as I could fill up all winter with clients if I had a guide of your ability.

Im not out to prove anything to you, so have all the doubts you want and continue with the way you do it. To bad you cant fill up your winter with your ways maybe time to try new things.

[dana]

"And what was this thread about again? Oh yea, the fact that moose numbers have hit rock bottom and there needs to be something done to improve the situation."


I was just going to bring that up. I don't think the OP was about moose numbers. I think it's about FNs competing with the provincial government for power. Seems to me like they're saying "The government may allow you to do something, but they aren't the guys calling the shots. We are, and we won't allow it".

We can argue about whether we need to shoot more wolves, shoot Jesse, stop hunting, stop spraying, or whatever, but the statement by the TNG isn't (in my opinion) really about moose. It's about sovereignty and who gets to exercise power. If moose weren't threatened they'd still want more control over territory that they believe they should control. The land settlement wasn't the end of the process.

The TNG is pretty leading edge on this, but the fact is that indigenous people exercise a great deal of influence over a lot of wildlife, and we haven't yet determined how that will work, long term.

We need to wrap our heads around that and make the best deal we can.

Very predictable that a Fed member shows up trying to work up the pawns by creating more fear. Especially given that the Mule Deer study has an update and they are preparing themselves to blow sunshine up everyone's asses. Hahaha.

As for the true point of this thread, There are No Moose left to hunt!!! Lets keep it on topic. That is the reason the First Nations are making this an issue. Studies are all fine and dandy but that does nothing to grow moose now!!! I'll continue to beat the drum because we all know the true reason moose have tanked. WOLVES!!!! Lots of talk about social licence blah blah blah. Well guess what? The First Nations that many of you seem to want to pick a fight with actually have Social Licence to do someting about these damn dogs! Lets get to the table and lets get working on this together! The First Nations are the ones that hold the key to getting our moose back!

[Ourea]

Very predictable that a Fed member shows up trying to work up the pawns by creating more fear. Especially given that the Mule Deer study has an update and they are preparing themselves to blow sunshine up everyone's asses. Hahaha.

As for the true point of this thread, There are No Moose left to hunt!!! Lets keep it on topic. That is the reason the First Nations are making this an issue. Studies are all fine and dandy but that does nothing to grow moose now!!! I'll continue to beat the drum because we all know the true reason moose have tanked. WOLVES!!!! Lots of talk about social licence blah blah blah. Well guess what? The First Nations that many of you seem to want to pick a fight with actually have Social Licence to do someting about these damn dogs! Lets get to the table and lets get working on this together! The First Nations are the ones that hold the key to getting our moose back!

You ask to keep things on topic yet you start ur post off with a personal attack on Rob Chipman by name and then hack the Fed. That certainly is not keeping things on topic.
Nuts.

You underestimate the masses that can and do think for themselves.

[Avalanche123]

The First Nations are the ones that hold the key to getting our moose back!

Interesting statement....."hold the key" can be interpreted a lot of different ways but in the context that you wrote the above, I would have to agree with you.

[dana]

You underestimate the masses that can and do think for themselves.

As do you. :)

[Ourea]

As do you. :)

No, no I don't.

[dana]

Dana, everyone in this province is acutely aware that very little happens now without FN thanks to our current Gov.

There are some pretty awesome initiatives on the ground that took a lot of $$$ to make happen. Lot's of buzz and positives as a result. More will happen in the future as interest and support keeps growing for these type of initiatives.

Seeing a moose project in the future with the resources like that of the recent Mule Deer initiative .....future is looking better. It is a bit of sunshine in gloomy times.


So I am very confused. This winter you constantly slammed my position that First Nations needed to be at the table. The line that sticks out in my brain is you said something along the lines of 'so dana, you are putting your trust in a bunch of natives who have no skin in the game.' And now 6 months later, you are saying nothing happens without First Nations? Really??? What caused the flip in thinking?

As for studies, nope doesn't impress me. The moose in this province have been in serious decline for over a decade now. I beat the drum to death but was told I was a liar and I was just protecting my honey holes. Studies are going to do you little good when the bulk of your herd is non existant! Blow your sunshine up everyone's ass and tell them we need more $$$$ so we can study more. Nope! That ain't bring the moose back buddy. Way tooo little, way way way tooo late!

[gcreek]

So I am very confused. This winter you constantly slammed my position that First Nations needed to be at the table. The line that sticks out in my brain is you said something along the lines of 'so dana, you are putting your trust in a bunch of natives who have no skin in the game.' And now 6 months later, you are saying nothing happens without First Nations? Really??? What caused the flip in thinking?

As for studies, nope doesn't impress me. The moose in this province have been in serious decline for over a decade now. I beat the drum to death but was told I was a liar and I was just protecting my honey holes. Studies are going to do you little good when the bulk of your herd is non existant! Blow your sunshine up everyone's ass and tell them we need more $$$$ so we can study more. Nope! That ain't bring the moose back buddy. Way tooo little, way way way tooo late!

As I have said and repeated, follow the money, damn the wildlife!

[Ourea]

So I am very confused. This winter you constantly slammed my position that First Nations needed to be at the table. The line that sticks out in my brain is you said something along the lines of 'so dana, you are putting your trust in a bunch of natives who have no skin in the game.' And now 6 months later, you are saying nothing happens without First Nations? Really??? What caused the flip in thinking?

As for studies, nope doesn't impress me. The moose in this province have been in serious decline for over a decade now. I beat the drum to death but was told I was a liar and I was just protecting my honey holes. Studies are going to do you little good when the bulk of your herd is non existant! Blow your sunshine up everyone's ass and tell them we need more $$$$ so we can study more. Nope! That ain't bring the moose back buddy. Way tooo little, way way way tooo late!

Dana, you leave me speechless at times.

I will start with this....
You have taken personal private correspondence between you and I over the years, you have then twisted and manipulated it, then openly share online an absolute BS version, breaching any possible trust as a result.
Epic fail of character on your behalf.
Your representation of purported conversations, my perspectives, have been manipulated beyond recognition.
Which leads to this question....
Why would you manipulate, put words in people's mouths?
Why would anyone do that?
Answer is obvious.

I do not need to like anyone to get along with or support them.
The one and only thing I need is to respect them, their integrity.

You Steve Dana, do not have my respect.

[dana]

Dana, you leave me speechless at times.

I will start with this....
You have taken personal private correspondence between you and I over the years, you have then twisted and manipulated it, then openly share online an absolute BS version, breaching any possible trust as a result.
Epic fail of character on your behalf.
Your representation of purported conversations, my perspectives, have been manipulated beyond recognition.
Which leads to this question....
Why would you manipulate, put words in people's mouths?
Why would anyone do that?
Answer is obvious.

I do not need to like anyone to get along with or support them.
The one and only thing I need is to respect them, their integrity.

You Steve Dana, do not have my respect.

So, I take it you don't remember saying that on this very forum this winter. Hmmm, interesting. I take it you won't be playing your little game being nice to me any more too? That is too bad. Really liked the pretending to being cluesless to your game. I used to play that same game with JaZ. Hahaha!

[blackbart]

I cant help but ask the obvious. How much whiskey has been consumed in the making of this thread????

[Rob Chipman]

Dana, all I can say is whoever pissed in your Wheaties made big impression.


I say:

"indigenous people exercise a great deal of influence over a lot of wildlife, and we haven't yet determined how that will work, long term.We need to wrap our heads around that and make the best deal we can."

Each of those three things is true.

And yet you seem to interpret that as:

"The First Nations that many of you seem to want to pick a fight with..."


Recognizing reality, coming to grips with it and making a deal isn't picking a fight. It's actually the complete opposite.

BTW, is this the first time Chief Joe Alphonse has snarled at white authority? I don't think so. I think he's proven himself ready to stand up to power several times. I may not share all his goals, but I gotta recognize that he's got some cojones (and good for him).

[dana]

Dana, all I can say is whoever pissed in your Wheaties made big impression.


I say:

"indigenous people exercise a great deal of influence over a lot of wildlife, and we haven't yet determined how that will work, long term.We need to wrap our heads around that and make the best deal we can."

Each of those three things is true.

And yet you seem to interpret that as:

"The First Nations that many of you seem to want to pick a fight with..."


Recognizing reality, coming to grips with it and making a deal isn't picking a fight. It's actually the complete opposite.

BTW, is this the first time Chief Joe Alphonse has snarled at white authority? I don't think so. I think he's proven himself ready to stand up to power several times. I may not share all his goals, but I gotta recognize that he's got some cojones (and good for him).





Bring the topic back to us versus them or them versus us is what I am taking about. Fear mongering is classic Fed tactic. Remember the Allocation Wars on this board. Pit resisidents against another group and protray that group as being evil and all they want to do is take away 'your' moose. This thread is that 2.0. Like stated before, the Fed seems to want to pick a fight with everyone and take zero responsibility for their part in this mess. Heck, all winter long I battled with The Crew who were saying there was nothing wrong with the wildlife pops in this province. Hell, stats and charts and graphs proven it. But now suddenly we have issues and the Fed is going to fix it. So were they lying then or are the lying now or both? Seriously, you guys need to get your stories straight. But, lets make the lack of moose in this province not the topic. Lets change the channel and beat the old war drums that the natives are taking away our rights to hunt. See what I am taking about. When you posted up a response to me, you went straight to the Fear card and negelected the fact There Are No Moose left to hunt!!!

[browningboy]

So if I’m white and like moose hunting now I’m not allowed? That’s racist

[Piperdown]

Hey Dana what kind of degree do you have

[Spy]

Hey Dana what kind of degree do you have

I think its a BS ;-)

[mrdoog]

Degrees? We don't need no stinking degrees...

[Wild one]

Hey Dana what kind of degree do you have

Not trying to defend Dana and think he is more then willing to speak for himself

As for the whole degree thing how has that helped prevent BCs wildlife from reaching the state it’s in today?

We have govt staff with degrees responsible for BCs wildlife populations and I would not call the state of our wildlife populations a success. I know they face a lot of issue and do not lay the blame on them.

One thing Dana did bring up that I can agree with is hunters were observing and talking about populations declines early on and there was those claiming that the numbers put forward by those with degrees are saying everything is OK. Fast forward to the present and we are now looking for ways to deal with declining moose/mule deer numbers

I don’t agree with everything Dana says but without a doubt he has some valid points. He maybe abrasive on how he makes his point but he is not completely lost like some are trying to make him out to be

Those with degrees need to start working with us uneducated hunters more because I know for a fact some of us hunters are in the bush more then BCs bios. I also know for a fact that this is not by choice of the bios them selves but instead their job does not give them enough time in the field

Degrees are good but if you lack the ability to collect proper data to use the education it leaves too many unknown factors to solve problems

[walks with deer]

piperdown...a degree in most cases doesnt help shit but teach you how to burden yourself in redtape..


even than your more worried about how it looks on paper rather than real world function..

[walks with deer]

dana maybe agressive but he eats sleeps and breaths wildlife..i do not agree with everything he says but i sure respect his imput and real world experiance....how many days where you in the feild last year....espeacially off the hiplie rock.

[Rob Chipman]

Dana:

"Bring the topic back to us versus them or them versus us is what I am taking about."

That's not what I'm doing. I'm saying come to grips with the new reality and make a deal with FNs. That's coming together, not "us vs them".

"Fear mongering is classic Fed tactic. " I know you hate the Fed from another movie. I'm not the Fed.

"When you posted up a response to me, you went straight to the Fear card and negelected the fact There Are No Moose left to hunt!!!"

No, what I did was to say that I don't think the statement (or the OP) is so much about moose as it is about who exercises power in certain areas. That contest for power is something we see unfold all the time. If you see that as scary, good for you. I see it as the environment we live in. We need to reconcile with FNs. They aren't going anywhere. They exert influence now, and will in the future.


What you did, Dana, was hear things that weren't said and then freaked out a little bit. Go back and read my post.

As for all the questions about what the Fed did or didn't do with or to you, I have no input. I don't know you, I've never done anything bad to you, and I've never run the Fed.

You may be unhappy that I'm not saying the things you want me to say ("there's no moose left; we have to kill wolves") but to be honest, you can say those things yourself. You don't need me to repeat what you say.

The fact remains, whether we're talking moose, grizzly bears, black bears, access or any number of other issues, we need to recognize that FNs have a lot of control over what we do and how we do it, and they don't all share the same assumptions as we do (ask a few FNs about the concept of "crown" land, and see where that leads).

If you think that's fear mongering you've got a very very low fear threshold. It's just pointing out what environment we're living in and how we need to move forward (recognize the reality and make a deal).

[Piperdown]

Boy one sentence and look at the shitstorm, it was an honest question. Dana is so smart i just wanted to know what kind of education he has so we can all learn too. Ah walks with deer, maybe read some of my posts, i own 80 acres in 6-04, with a nice log cabin on it, spend at least 3 months a year in that area along with at least 2 trips to the koots and your area, so i average at least 100 days in the bush is that enough for you. What is a hiplie by the way? Rob i really like the way you think and speak (write) you ever thought of getting involved with the Fed or the likes, you don't let emotion get in the much like Ourea, always a pleasure to read posts and opinions from you both, keep up the good dialogue.

[walks with deer]

ahh piperdown sounds like you get out...i was just laughing at the degree issue...hippy sorry fat fingers on phone...

my family and freinds that live and some guide and log in 6-04 have told me moose are down in numbers hard there..

funny thing moose population in alberta is way better than here except maybe the mountain mu's and road densitie is way hirer...hmm so is wolf control.

instead of all this fighting we need cheif to go on cbc and blab some shit how traditionaly wolves where controled and we need to thin themm blah blah and get some public support.

[Piperdown]

Yes walks with deer moose in 6-04 are down, in our area not as much as we had a couple of good burns north of our cabin which pushed a lot of the animals our way. As for the wolf numbers at the cabin they too are down but the black bear numbers are through the roof, which is why more people need to start hunting them, i for one have jumped on this wagon, probably should have done it long ago. It seems hunting season can't come soon enough and then maybe the bickering will slow down a tad

[Spy]

PG nails it !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzyDmkOxws

[gcreek]

Boy one sentence and look at the shitstorm, it was an honest question. Dana is so smart i just wanted to know what kind of education he has so we can all learn too. Ah walks with deer, maybe read some of my posts, i own 80 acres in 6-04, with a nice log cabin on it, spend at least 3 months a year in that area along with at least 2 trips to the koots and your area, so i average at least 100 days in the bush is that enough for you. What is a hiplie by the way? Rob i really like the way you think and speak (write) you ever thought of getting involved with the Fed or the likes, you don't let emotion get in the much like Ourea, always a pleasure to read posts and opinions from you both, keep up the good dialogue.

I live in the bush 365 days out of the year and have witnessed what 40 years of mismanagement by those with degrees and creation of “management models” have done to the local moose, deer and caribou populations. Also, what no management has done to the predator populations and the influence made on urban opinions of such. If one has half an idea of what happens next ( which IS taught on Sesame Street) one doesn’t need a degree to realize what is going on.

The endless studies to create employment for govt. employees, contractors and their buddies has studied wildlife to the brink.

Does it matter if one has a degree? Most of them aren’t worth wiping with.

Mine came paperless, a result of leaving Home at 15 and spending the next 30 years in Life’s School of Hard Knocks. It may have made me a little more observative and open minded than the indoctrinated, educated, whizz kids we have making decisions ( or not) today.

[gcreek]

ahh piperdown sounds like you get out...i was just laughing at the degree issue...hippy sorry fat fingers on phone...

my family and freinds that live and some guide and log in 6-04 have told me moose are down in numbers hard there..

funny thing moose population in alberta is way better than here except maybe the mountain mu's and road densitie is way hirer...hmm so is wolf control.

instead of all this fighting we need cheif to go on cbc and blab some shit how traditionaly wolves where controled and we need to thin themm blah blah and get some public support.

Great idea!

[kolofardos]

Great idea!

Absolutely! And, maybe a bit off topic, but I would also love to see an FN hunt for seals and sea lions on the coast!

[Piperdown]

I live in the bush 365 days out of the year and have witnessed what 40 years of mismanagement by those with degrees and creation of “management models” have done to the local moose, deer and caribou populations. Also, what no management has done to the predator populations and the influence made on urban opinions of such. If one has half an idea of what happens next ( which IS taught on Sesame Street) one doesn’t need a degree to realize what is going on.

The endless studies to create employment for govt. employees, contractors and their buddies has studied wildlife to the brink.

Does it matter if one has a degree? Most of them aren’t worth wiping with.

Mine came paperless, a result of leaving Home at 15 and spending the next 30 years in Life’s School of Hard Knocks. It may have made me a little more observative and open minded than the indoctrinated, educated, whizz kids we have making decisions ( or not) today.

I am in the same boat as you no university degree, i do have some college and university courses /credits. I too deal with university degrees daily and some of them are so lost it is not funny, i do how ever take exception to someone on a forum that more or less calls everybody stupid and that he or she knows it all. Nobody knows everything i tend to think we learn something new till the day we die. As i have stated before maybe these people need to take the place of some of the so called morons who are running the show and right the ship, must be my socialist view i guess because apparently that's what i am ;).

[Wild one]

Yes walks with deer moose in 6-04 are down, in our area not as much as we had a couple of good burns north of our cabin which pushed a lot of the animals our way. As for the wolf numbers at the cabin they too are down but the black bear numbers are through the roof, which is why more people need to start hunting them, i for one have jumped on this wagon, probably should have done it long ago. It seems hunting season can't come soon enough and then maybe the bickering will slow down a tad


Black bear numbers are still high in 6-04 but are declining. Not an issue as the numbers were crazy high. The decline is not to do with hunters but more locals are targeting them

As for moose past winters are probably the biggest factor but unregulated hunting and predators are not far behind.

This area has issues

[dana]

Degree? Yup, have a 4 year Batchelor Degree. Who cares? I certainly don't have enough clout to be in Ourea's rolla-thingy ;) I do find it funny that a guy like Piperdown is offended by me. I never even posted a single response to him until he called me a dick! Oh wait, he apologied for saying that so it doesn't count. Oh wait, he retracted the apology because my attidude towards his apology was dickish. So, yup, I guess I am a dick. Hahaha!

[quadrakid]

Please don,t stop being a dick.

[Piperdown]

Degree? Yup, have a 4 year Batchelor Degree. Who cares? I certainly don't have enough clout to be in Ourea's rolla-thingy ;) I do find it funny that a guy like Piperdown is offended by me. I never even posted a single response to him until he called me a dick! Oh wait, he apologied for saying that so it doesn't count. Oh wait, he retracted the apology because my attidude towards his apology was dickish. So, yup, I guess I am a dick. Hahaha!

Ha ha this coming from the guy with thick skin. We are lucky the fish in the ocean are not like you, you bite on the first piece of bait put in front of you. Dana you seem to be a bit more angry than usual. You get laid off, troubles at home with the wife, kids on drugs, if this is the case, don't blame yourself. With my wifes cancer, there were and still are many good support groups, it has help us greatly, be nice to see the Dana of old on here again.

[horshur]

If it walks like a dick and talks like a dick...probably a dick

[LBM]

If it walks like a dick and talks like a dick...probably a dick

But he is still your brother. Hope your a little nicer at the Christmas dinner table.

[Wild one]

If it walks like a dick and talks like a dick...probably a dick

But the world needs people that shake things up rather then follow blindly

[Rob Chipman]

gcreek:

" ...have witnessed what 40 years of mismanagement by those with degrees and creation of “management models” have done to the local moose, deer and caribou populations."

I can't disagree with the state of affairs. We are where we are because we've mismanaged our impact on the landscape. If we hadn't mismanaged things we wouldn't be talking about it now.

Here's one thing that always gets me stuck though - there are a few guys here who seem to dismiss wildlife bios as simply in it for the money, not knowing what they're talking about, and not being supportive of predator control.

And yet I've heard wildlife bios say things like "Oh, we know who's eating them" or "BTW, we've been making this predator reduction recommendation for over a decade now".

I've also heard bios say "Make sure you know what you're talking about when you pull the predator reduction lever, because if you're wrong you don't accomplish anything and you burn up a shit ton of social capital".

That doesn't sound to me like guys who are completely opposed to predator reduction, or like guys who don't know what's killing the animals that they study. It actually sounds reasonable.

I think that maybe you're blaming the wrong guys, or maybe doing it with too broad of a paintbrush (maybe politicians like listening to the bios who well them what they want to hear).

I think we don't have more predator control because the politicians understand that it will cost them in spades. I say that especially after reading the report where the bio said (and I paraphrase) "I've been telling you guys this for a decade and you still don't listen". It seems unfair to characterize him as a know nothing if the real problem is that his bosses are ignoring him.

If you know of bios employed by government who are making what you think are stupid decisions can you send me that info?

[dana]

Ha ha this coming from the guy with thick skin. We are lucky the fish in the ocean are not like you, you bite on the first piece of bait put in front of you. Dana you seem to be a bit more angry than usual. You get laid off, troubles at home with the wife, kids on drugs, if this is the case, don't blame yourself. With my wifes cancer, there were and still are many good support groups, it has help us greatly, be nice to see the Dana of old on here again.

hahaha. You skin is sooo thick you go fishing by calling someone a dick and then get butt hurt when they respond back. hahaha! If you are going play with the big boys don't be such a sensitive pussy the next time. :)

As for wanting the dana of old, time must have clouded your memories. When haven't I been a dick on HBC. Seem to remember getting banned plenty of times because people got their pussys hurt. Hahaha. Once a dick always a dick I guess. As for anger, nope, your read on me is wrong. Life is very good!

[bownut]

Do you think that the killing of cows and calves under LEH and GOS was a good thing when hunters were ringing the alarm bells that the moose were in trouble? Yes, over harvest is the right word to use. All in the name of resident opportunity.

Funny how we are also doing a Mule Deer Study and we still have Doe Draws across to Regions. Could this be just another Opportunity Grab?
Declining Mule Deer numbers and LEH Does. That's good science.

[horshur]

Science trumping democracy(social science) otherwise known as politics...is totalitarian. Thus the appeal. Oh to be not be beholden to the ignorant masses.

Like religion of the past and present...allah,god,climate. Science like religion even has its end times myth. The self prescribed intellectual cannot escape the human condition. They have created an end times just like past scribes...no different,same shit different pile....

[horshur]

Same blind faith in spite of the evidence contrary....