Canada in the Rough

[4 point]

Just watching a recently taped show of Paul B. hunting brown bear( grizzly family) in Russia. My gosh their sitting in a building at a fish farm shooting bears over a dead fish dump. Really that isn’t hunting in my mind. Then there shooting moose being chased with dogs, can’t get my head around that either.

[.264winmag]

Seems unorthodox for sure. Not unlike the grizzly hunts that used to take place on our coastal river systems. My relatives in Norway also hunt ungulates with dogs, seems foreign to us but it's tradition to them. Cougar hunting also comes to mind...

[Big Lew]

Never been able to understand that type of animal shooting either....something that's typical of
a lot of hunting back east and in the States. I support any type of 'hunting' provided it's legal,
but 'to each his/her own'....it's just something I'm not likely to do. I watched an American show
where a woman sat in a special observation room accompanied by guides and her husband that
was above a fancy hunting lodge. She had her rifle set up for her and waited until the lodge's
large herd of elk made their daily trek along the long narrow field in front of the lodge to artificial
feeding grounds. She took a shot but missed so she just waited until they came back and tried
again, this time doing the deed. To me, that's not hunting, that's shooting. I used to do something
similar when dispatching one of our semi-wild steers for our yearly meat supply on our farm. The
steers were too wild to get close to or put in a barn so I had my brothers and sisters herd them past
my place of ambush so that I could shoot​ one at 5-10 yards.

[glennw89]

Running deer with hounds is the most traditional way of hunting in much of Ontario, including the Ottawa Valley where I live. My hunting group (three hunters) doesn't, but it is not for any particular moral issue. Rather none of us have time/desire to train/keep a hound or two. In addition, we prefer to still hunt or stand hunt.

Overall, the use of hounds is much diminished. It requires someone to look after the dog(s) all year, a large group of hunters to cover potential escape routes, GPS collars to track the dogs (they can go for kilometers), and the willingness to devote basically the entire hunting day to setting up and executing the "chase". It is also only realistic on large chunks of Crown Land where the dogs can run without worrying about property boundaries.

Despite the drawbacks above, the sound of hounds rolling through the woods on a frosty November morning is pretty exciting. You have to remember that most Ontario deer hunting is done in thick woods/swamps where visibility is often 50-75 meters. Hounds were a traditional way of getting deer moving in this thick cover.

Not much different than using a bird dog to point/flush grouse, pheasant, etc. in my mind. To each their own. Hunters already have enough enemies in 2018 within infighting. Stand together or fall separately.

[bigbuzz]

I hunt deer annually in Ontario with dogs, there is nothing like trying to shoot a fleeing buck with a hound in pursuit. Don't do it!, its addictive. Hunting deer from treestands or blinds is very effective but just doesn't seem fair. Modern weaponry, bows that are as lethal as any gun, just is not the same. I have also hunted moose with dogs and had some memorable hunts using small beagles. It takes a lot of time and commitment to train dogs and few camps choose to do so. These deer and moose are not run to exhaustion, the dogs generally are used to flush them from swamps and thickets.

[Grumpa Joe]

The breed that I and my friend have, Norwegian Elkhounds, are used extensively in some Scandinavian countries to hunt Moose. It is actually illegal to hunt without using a dog for moose in Norway. The training that they go through is extensive and their abilities are amazing. It was not all that long ago that if an Elkhound failed the hunting test on the second try that they were euthanized so as not to pass on bad genes. Extreme, yes. However, as mentioned above it is really little different than using dogs for bird hunting. It isn't allowed in BC (letting the dog to run untethered) but we do take them along on a lead in the event that we need to track an animal. They use bait for bears in Alberta and we allow bait for deer here in BC. I don't do it but there are those that do and more power to them. It is a legal method.

[ryanb]

If it's legal in that jurisdiction, who are we to judge what is and isn't ethical. That's a slippery slope.

What I do question is whether some of these hunts should be the subject of television shows.

[bigbuzz]

I agree with ryanb, some of the hunting shows are pathetic and people that believe that they are real, I have my doubts.

[HarryToolips]

I hunt deer annually in Ontario with dogs, there is nothing like trying to shoot a fleeing buck with a hound in pursuit. Don't do it!, its addictive. Hunting deer from treestands or blinds is very effective but just doesn't seem fair. Modern weaponry, bows that are as lethal as any gun, just is not the same. I have also hunted moose with dogs and had some memorable hunts using small beagles. It takes a lot of time and commitment to train dogs and few camps choose to do so. These deer and moose are not run to exhaustion, the dogs generally are used to flush them from swamps and thickets.
?????? so waiting and waiting for a deer to walk by a blind or a tree stand doesn't seem fair, yet using hounds to smell out a deer and get them to move is fair?? You got that ass backwards man....and yes modern bows can be very effective, with the technology that is in broadheads now etc, but they don't carry the knockdown energy or range of a firearm..

[guest]

If it's legal in that jurisdiction, who are we to judge what is and isn't ethical. That's a slippery slope.

What I do question is whether some of these hunts should be the subject of television shows.

Bingo!
Ryanb nailed it. I have liked some of their shows, but this choice I think is not helpful in the future or relative for hunting in Canada....... Which the show should be about.

It's CANADA IN THE ROUGH.......

[bigbuzz]

sitting in a tree stand does not measure up to the commitment of training dogs and hunting specific creatures. There is much more skill, determination and planning goes into a run with a dog and crew of deer hunters. Big bucks are not that way because they are stupid. I have hunted for almost 50 years now and seen dog hunting slowly disappear, don't see the young hunters doing it.

[elknut]

I too was shocked at this show of Grizzly hunting in Russia ..To me it has put Canada in the Rough in the " Rough"...They had a pretty highly ethical show but this diminishes them ....People will question this method of hunting and will have more ammunition to stop other hunts..Personally if its legal its legal but .....Dennis...

[Redthies]

The only hunting show I watch these days is Steve Rinellas. I like his style of hunting, and he is charismatic enough for my wife to enjoy watching too. His show is less about product placement and more about hunting and just being in the woods. Some of the other shows have logos everywhere and turn themselves into glorified infomercials.

[Bugle M In]

Probably have it on the pvr, but, if it is as other's say, I doubt I will watch it at all.
May be legal etc, but just go against some of my thought of how hunting should be, or, represent
how I hunt.
In the end, I think it just adds more to giving us hunters a bad name or not so favorable of an opinion by the non hunting
folks...IMO

[Gateholio]

Hunting bears using bait is common practice in most of the places bears are hunted. Most BC bears are road hunted, which may seem unethical to hunters from other areas, but it’s accepted practice here.

[HappyJack]

If it's legal in that jurisdiction, who are we to judge what is and isn't ethical. That's a slippery slope.

What I do question is whether some of these hunts should be the subject of television shows.

One Canada in the Rough they were in a lodge with 3 chefs cooking table side for them.....not sure how they get Rough out of that, haven't watched that show since that day.

[Stone C. Killer]

Sounds good. nice they can still hunt bears in Russia. hope they got a big one.

[Bugle M In]

Not too long ago a gave a comment on their hunt on elk in the Muskwa, which I thought was an excellent representation of
what we hunters experience here in BC.
But like some say, rules are different in other areas/countries.
As long as it is sustainable, and good conservation is applied, that is what really counts.
What style of a good representation of "how we hunt" I suppose is up to debate.
I only wonder what a none hunter would think, as those are the people on the fence who we really need to be "in support of hunting" as well, not just us.
Something we all need to think about...IMO.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Different place in the world....different hunting style.

Don't think Russia will ever cave to the anti-hunting organizations.:razz:

[beaverhunter69]

Hunting bears using bait is common practice in most of the places bears are hunted. Most BC bears are road hunted, which may seem unethical to hunters from other areas, but it’s accepted practice here.

Totally agree! Also different areas of the country and world have different terrain where certain hunting practices and techniques need to be used to have any sort of success. Using dogs or baiting isn't at all lazy at all when you think of the time/effort that goes into it. Training a dog takes a lot of work and dedication. Baiting is also a lot of work, scouting and setting up in a proper area, hauling in bait on a regular basis, also I might add just because you bait doesn't mean anything is guaranteed. You still have to put your time in on the stand, an animal may only show up at night when you can't hunt and they very rarely keep a set pattern or schedule. Road hunting from a truck seems easy in comparison!

[firebird]

I saw the episode and I was surprised they even aired the show cause the foootage was very boring! Except when he almost got run over by the moose.

I saw 'Russian brown bear' and PVR'd the show expecting driven bear hunting or the Kamchatka bears.

What a snooze fest it was. IMO All it did was put its pro hunters to sleep and gave the antis more fuel

[Huevos]

I never saw the episode, but bears are hunted over bait all across Canada. The only reason we don't do it in BC is because we have grizzly bears that would cause too many incidents. How is this unethical? Find a food source and hunt over it. Not unlike hunting fall bears in an oat field behind the house. You know the bears will be there..... Would that not be hunting? Moose with a dog...... I would be up for that. Are you against hunting bears, cougars, lynx, or wild boars with dogs? I don't personally see the difference, except that I would think the recovery rate of wounded game would be much higher with dogs. More tags filled, less wasted game and a new experience. I do see where you are coming from though, we have a hard time accepting what we did not grow up with. Growing up in Alberta, I used to take issue with baiting ungulates.... totally foreign to me, but I bet there are a number of hunters here that have hunted deer over hay, near a stack, or grain pile. It is just different than what we are used to, not unethical imo.

[835]

I thinknpeople need to take a closer look at how we do things... many people hunt bears on rivers in the fall..
Every other province in canada are all hunting over bait.
We run cats and bears with dogs all the time... thoes bears were shot over bait.. and probably made life for the fish farm workers better at the same time..

Shooting a moose over a dog.. it is another form of dog hunting.. people seem to think dogs are self taught..donyou have any idea how much time thoes guys spend training them... did anyone listen to how the dogs are used? They explained the dogs job and how it was done in there as well...

I fully aggree with the fact people have thigs they like and things they dont.. but man, give it a rest.. they are hunting.

[HappyJack]

I'm glad we can't hunt ungulates with dogs in BC. I bet a lot of guys here would shoot a dog if they saw it chasing deer or a moose, no question.

[Grumpa Joe]

I'm glad we can't hunt ungulates with dogs in BC. I bet a lot of guys here would shoot a dog if they saw it chasing deer or a moose, no question.

Elkhounds don't chase their prey. They follow them quietly until they find the animal. They then start barking and keep the animal at bay until the hunters catch up. It is amazing seeing how a 50 - 60 lbs dog can keep a 1,000+ lbs moose from squishing it. A fellow in Finland that I have news of second hand from another Elkhound owner on here had a dog in their trials training maintain this for over 9 hours.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrgEZb2ztRaqxQA1Z0PxQt.?p=norwegian+e lkhound+hunting+moose&fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&fr2=piv-web&hspart=adk&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt&type=pa_appfocus1_ff#id=1&vid=1048984f9a3a70e0b99098cfe7a83658&action=view

[sawmill]

I'm glad we can't hunt ungulates with dogs in BC. I bet a lot of guys here would shoot a dog if they saw it chasing deer or a moose, no question.
You can but they have to be leashed the whole time. Seems kinda pointless to me.

[bighornbob]

Check out this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K94JlejW5LQ

BHB

[Krico]

I thinknpeople need to take a closer look at how we do things... many people hunt bears on rivers in the fall..
I fully aggree with the fact people have thigs they like and things they dont.. but man, give it a rest.. they are hunting.

Totally agree with 835.
Legal does not equal right. Illegal does not equal wrong.
How many shows air every day of people shooting ungulates over bait? - grain piles, food plots, salt blocks, etc.
We pursue pretty much every game animal where they eat, chase girls, sleep or travel between.