The Grizzly Thread

[Stone Sheep Steve]

It's April 1st which should have been the start of a new spring grizzly bear season..... but it's not.:icon_frow

To help us all cope with this 'temporary' lapse in the season (being hopeful), please post up/share your grizzly stories, pictures or links to past threads to help us with our withdrawal.

Thanks in advance!

SSS

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Pics are all messed up but here's a start...

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?12574-When-good-times-turn-great

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?68350-Down-to-the-Wire-Grizz&highlight=wire+grizz

No grizz at the end of this hunt but it's the 'hunt' that I'll miss the most......

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?51223-Just-quot-Good-Times-quot&highlight=Good+times

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Always loved Brombone's/Youngfella's spring grizz tales!

Here's one to start......
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?67528-Another-Spring-Bear-Adventure

[IslandWanderer]

Pics are all messed up but here's a start...

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?12574-When-good-times-turn-great

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?68350-Down-to-the-Wire-Grizz&highlight=wire+grizz

No grizz at the end of this hunt but it's the 'hunt' that I'll miss the most......

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?51223-Just-quot-Good-Times-quot&highlight=Good+times

Great pictures, the terrain looks unreal!

[Rackmastr]

I need to sit down and reload some pics....great idea SSS!

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?95439-Rackmastr-s-Drizzly-Grizzly-Adventure!

[Stone Sheep Steve]

I need to sit down and reload some pics....great idea SSS!

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?95439-Rackmastr-s-Drizzly-Grizzly-Adventure!

Thanks T! Have to do that myself as well. Lost some videos due to PB! Ba$tards!

[Stone Sheep Steve]

One of Big Boar's many epic hunts.....

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?49808-Coastal-Grizzly-Hunt-pic-Heavy

[Stone Sheep Steve]

A beaut from TSW!!

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?82323-Success-on-a-Grizz-Hunt-Finally!

[Stone Sheep Steve]

And a gorgeous bear from BCbillies!!

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?26094-Grizz-hunt-ends-early!

[swampthing]

I miss our bear hunt so much!! Spring grizz has become my favorite hunt by far. Hope we see it again.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

I miss our bear hunt so much!! Spring grizz has become my favorite hunt by far. Hope we see it again.\

Totally agree! Love spring grizzly hunting....grizz or no grizz!!

Time to relive this one........
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?107601-double-header-grizz

[Stone Sheep Steve]

From bushguy....

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?29356-Spring-Grizzly-08

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Dream grizz hunt from Rattler.....

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?95853-Dream-Grizzly-Hunt

[358mag]

Thanks for this thread SSS
Sure hope all you folks that voted NDP-Green are proud of yourselves

[HarryToolips]

Awesome thread, unreal pics and scenery, had a griz hunt last year but didn't get into prime griz country due to access probs as I don't have a quad with tracks or a snowmobile, but hope to have the opportunity again....I wonder what the chances of us getting the hunt back will be..

[Stone Sheep Steve]

One from Skyline.....

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?68006-7A-Grizz

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Here's one from Wild Images and Akiller....great fall bear with sheep thrown in as a bonus read!!

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?71795-Mountain-Griz-and-a-Double-on-Stone-Rams-2011

[Stone Sheep Steve]

From 6K.....

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?74230-A-couple-of-blondes-down-by-the-creek

[Stone Sheep Steve]

From GrandA.....

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?79267-Last-Years-Grizzly

[Stone Sheep Steve]

A double header from Kitimat Killer......

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?83170-my-uncle-s-and-mine-griz-season-2012-two-bears-down

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Gorgeous bear from Cheetah...

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?83340-1Black-2Grizz-For-My-Sons

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Another beauty from gbear.......

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?83315-Grizzly-Hunt-2012-A-Tale-of-Deep-Snow-Deep-Creeks-and

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Great family hunt from Caribou_lou.....

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?82146-Grizzly-down!!&highlight=Grizzly

[Stone Sheep Steve]

A great tale and adventure from BlacktailStalker......

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?95500-2013-Grizzly-hunt&highlight=Grizzly

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Great EK grizz from Bchunter3006.....

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?84279-EK-Spring-Grizzly-2012&highlight=Grizzly

[Stone Sheep Steve]

From lightmag.....

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?111280-2014-season-to-date-1st-grizzly!!!&highlight=Grizzly

[Stone Sheep Steve]

from 325.....

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?117813-Grizzly-Hunt-2015&highlight=Grizzly

[Leaseman]

Find the one from Srupp.......

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Find the one from Srupp.......

That one was on my mind during my search but I only saw his grizz hunt doping threads.
Will keep trying

[Stone Sheep Steve]

OK. Here's the HUGE coastal GRIZZ from srupp's party.....

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?12260-Grizzly-success-spring-2007

Pics are there on page one but story in on page 3.

[180grainer]

Boy, using Photobucket was sure a mistake. Lots are missing the pictures due to their policy changes. Some good stories tho....

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Boy, using Photobucket was sure a mistake. Lots are missing the pictures due to their policy changes. Some good stories tho....

You can do an update on your PC so you can see them. There was a thread about it a while back.
Still can't see them on my phone though.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

You can do an update on your PC so you can see them. There was a thread about it a while back.
Still can't see them on my phone though.

Here's a link to that thread...

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?142538-Photobucket-fix

[BCHunterFSJ]

SSS;
Did you forget mine?

https://i.imgur.com/iY1I6Z6.jpg?1

[Stone Sheep Steve]

I think I missed a pile BCHFSJ! Searching thread titles for 'grizzly' yielded hundreds of threads....most of which weren't tales of adventure....that's why I asked for everyone's help to post links to old stories.

There are many, many more hiding in the archives.

Do you have a link to the original story to go with your awesome grizz??

SSS

[Husky7mm]

SSS;
Did you forget mine?

https://i.imgur.com/iY1I6Z6.jpg?1
What a monster!!

[Rackmastr]

Few pics of 2017 spring bear hunt. I applied in an area in the Kootenays that I had always wanted to hunt since moving to BC. I was lucky to draw and ended up hunting it twice.

First time was in late April, when a buddy and I snow shoe'd in about 14km in some pretty soft snow for a few days of backpack hunting. We never did catch a glimpse of the bear that was in the area but found about 3-4 sets of tracks from different bears and this one big bear was all around us for a couple days. We had to pull out but I knew if we stayed there we would catch up with the bear. Another member here ended up running into him with his hunting partner a couple days after we pulled out.

https://i.imgur.com/vkxIZwn.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EbDuCWE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2MmDlov.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/t2WyJ6S.jpg

[Rackmastr]

Later in May we returned and hunted for about 10 days with 2 different buddies. We had a great time, saw a ton of black bears including a couple really good ones. We hiked, backpacked, used the quad, and spent a ton of time looking at various slides in some great spots. I passed a younger boar in the 6-6.5' range on the last evening of the hunt at about 220 yards in a super green slide after sneaking in on him in the evening. It was a great end to the 10 day hunt, and sadly was the last time I got out with a grizz tag in my pocket. I'll cherish that memory for a long time if it happens to be the last time I'll hunt grizz in BC (remains to be seen).

The plan was to return another week later, but a death in the family cancelled that. Enjoy the pics!

https://i.imgur.com/l8Q0ce6.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RS3fr2l.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IwJzHzP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Zlj1S9R.jpg

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Gorgeous country, Trev! Makes me ache.

[srupp]

No if ands or hmmmmmmms" about it..great photos. .thank you.
Cheers
Steven

[Rackmastr]

Gorgeous country, Trev! Makes me ache.

You can say that again. The image of that bear at the top of the slide about 20 minutes before dark and watching him drift off into the timber is one thats stuck in my mind for a long time. In a way I'm glad I didnt know the season would be ending, as I likely would have been more inclined to shoot that bear, knowing it may be my last chance. That being said, knowing that it wasnt quite 'the bear' I was hoping for, it felt good to watch him walk away that evening after having him within range. As this spring greens up and I'm out chasing black bears, I know I'll start wishing I was glassing slides for a big grizz. I guess I can just count myself lucky that in the 6 years I got here I got to experience a couple grizz hunts. One of the coolest experiences BC has to offer....

[BCHunterFSJ]

I think I missed a pile BCHFSJ! Searching thread titles for 'grizzly' yielded hundreds of threads....most of which weren't tales of adventure....that's why I asked for everyone's help to post links to old stories.

There are many, many more hiding in the archives.

Do you have a link to the original story to go with your awesome grizz??

SSS

Yes; it has appeared on other threads, but here it is again...

A Grizzly Dream


As one grows older, one begins to philosophize more frequently on one’s life, both the successes and the failures. As I lay awake one night, not being able to sleep, I thought about all of the different things that I had really wanted to do... from the time I was a very young man to the present. What had I accomplished? How many of my dreams, passions and aspirations had I fulfilled? Was my life a success? One of those must do things, I realized, was to hunt and kill a grizzly bear...
Although my dreams of grizzly bear hunts began when I was a mere lad growing up in the province of Quebec, I was only able to fulfill those dreams much later on when I moved my family to the wilds of northeastern British Columbia. At that point, the quest really began. In those days there was a regular grizzly bear season, with no need to apply for limited entry tags as one needs to do now, and I started to spend my spring weekends looking for bears. Much to my wife’s displeasure, many of my weekend hunts were solo efforts and I soon acquired a .338 Winchester Magnum to dispel some of her fears, and probably also because I really wanted one anyways. I persevered for six years; alone, with my growing sons, and sometimes with the odd hunting partner. We did see some bears, but they were always too far away, too small or in family groups. As my need for a “grizz” grew, I hunted for them during both Spring and Fall. After all, there was now much talk about putting all grizzly bear hunting in B.C. on Limited Entry Hunting...
The seventh year of my quest was the last year that B.C. had regular seasons on grizzlies. It was now or never, as I had never had much luck drawing LEH tags! That spring I met Hans, a fellow teacher in Fort St. John who was a bear hunting fanatic who had already shot two grizzlies and wanted to help me harvest one of my own. He suggested a completely different area on the western side of Williston Lake, with
fascinating names like the Osilinka and Mesilinka Rivers. I was immediately hooked on the idea, and off we went on the seven hour long drive on forestry and mining roads that were in deplorable condition. The second day found us in our major hunting area, between Aiken and Johanson Lakes. Around 10:30 we were glassing some very green hillsides when we spotted two grizzlies; a very dark boar and a light colored, but much smaller sow. The male was obviously trying to mate with her; quite a remarkable sight! We decided to leave them for the time being, and then drove for some 30 kilometers before turning back. Beautiful country here, but no bears were spotted, so we sped back to where we had seen the bears in the morning.


By 3 PM we entered the bush, crossed the stands of timber, and made our way up the grassy slopes by around 5:30. This was a steep mountain, and Hans set quite the pace! We did some glassing for about an hour and then split up. Before I knew it, Hans was wildly signaling for me to join him. He had found the bears! I got there just as the boar was about to enter the timber, and I had no choice but to shoot fast or not shoot at all. I shot! The range was around 150 meters and almost straight downhill - very tricky - but the bear tumbled down the hillside and into the timber, so I had connected. Approaching the timber we took off our packs and Hans removed the scope from his rifle. I spotted a bear; but it was the sow, and after a while she moved off, and we proceeded down to look for my bear. What a feeling, not knowing whether it was dead, or perhaps just waiting for us in ambush! Luckily, however, the .338 Magnum with a 250 grain bullet had done its job, and within minutes we found my bear, good and dead. I had my grizzly!
Keeping an eye out for the other bear, we took pictures and videos and then proceeded to skin out my trophy. We finished at 9:30 PM and I shouldered the 45 kilo plus load and staggered down the mountain. By the time we got back to camp I was in total agony. Next morning we discovered that the other grizzly had followed us down the mountain and prowled around camp while we slept the sleep of the dead. I skinned out the head and we measured the hide. From nose to tail it measured 7 feet and 3 inches (2.2 meters). We rough measured the skull at around 24 inches or 61 cm (it later made it into the B.C. Record Book). This was indeed a good mountain grizzly, and I was delighted with both the size and condition of the hide. Finally success; I had fulfilled my lifetime dream of bagging a grizzly bear!

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Bumpity bump

Time from a new government....provincially AND Federally!

[two-feet]

The grizzly population is certainly expanding into areas where they were previously thinned out. In reg 6 we have had successive years of bumper berry crops, with this year shaping up to be another. Bears of both species look to be having plenty of twins and triplets.

Last year I saw a black bear mama with 5 cubs!

[brn2ryd]

We live in region 6 and have had no less than 6 grizzly come through our yard this spring. It seems like that’s all I ever see any more.
Based on my observations, the exploding grizzly population is having a negative effect on moose And black bear. I’ve seen far fewer Adult black bears but every sow I’ve seen has 2-3 cubs. I think less of them are surviving to maturity.

[hunter1947]

When I encounter a grizzly bear its up with the defender or my mag its all about getting all ready for a all out full blown attack the camera stays in the pack the
defender or other are ready hand held in position ready to fire saftey off...

[swampthing]

Missing this hunt soo much!

[decker9]

A bear we had roam into sheep camp last fall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JMZlpotV1s&feature=share

I dream of a grizzly season...

[Rattler]

Damn I miss hunting grizzly bears something terrible!

[Astepanuk]

On our Trip to BC back in 2018 we seen 9 different Grizzly bears in the 8 days we were in the back country. I lost my Mountain Goat to this Sow and Cubs she was looking pretty thin but I was pretty disappointed I lost my meat and cape she did manage to leave me the Skull. Next time I will know not to hang the meat in a spruce tree even if its 18ft up.
https://i.imgur.com/gmbyo3j.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BiEVZEQ.jpg

[warnniklz]

https://scontent.fyyc3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/66260984_10162160441715387_6421283296465911808_o.j pg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=XoBHbJBU6i0AX-mP3_P&_nc_ht=scontent.fyyc3-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=07710dea94ffbb081da64e0c70e46c49&oe=5EFF7051

https://scontent.fyyc3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66050579_10162186123970387_3920260373273378816_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=eF5sFes2jtEAX-OznR9&_nc_ht=scontent.fyyc3-1.fna&oh=10c3444e7743886b43fd574d8841ef1f&oe=5EFEEDBC

[Nimrod]

A bear we had roam into sheep camp last fall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JMZlpotV1s&feature=share

I dream of a grizzly season...

That's a shifty looking character.

[325]

Damn I miss hunting grizzly bears something terrible!

Yep, me too....

[CHEAM]

https://i.imgur.com/RCmBHP8l.png

Region 2 Grizzly.
I hope the photo works.

[warnniklz]

https://imgur.com/a/4F0tnR1

Region 2 Grizzly.
I hope the photo works.

https://i.imgur.com/RCmBHP8_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[338edgehunter]

I really do hope the spring grizz hunt comes back i really would like to try and take one.

[boxhitch]

Can hope the Yukon holds onto their hunt as it is under attack now too.
If they hold, BC has a chance. If they fold and close it, that would nail the lid shut forever.
Hope the fight to save the hunt is strong up there.

[Redthies]

Once a few people get mauled by bears pushed into conflict areas, the gov will start to rethink this whole thing. It’s only a matter of time before grizzly attacks become commonplace if they are not kept at a level appropriate to habitat, which is of course shrinking.

[stoneramhunter]

I hardly think that grizzly attacks will become a common occurrence. Been hunting sheep in grizzly country for 50 years. Grizzly hunts are trophy hunts. Not against hunting but it’s not a meat hunt it’s a trophy hunt 100 percent.

[whitlers]

I hardly think that grizzly attacks will become a common occurrence. Been hunting sheep in grizzly country for 50 years. Grizzly hunts are trophy hunts. Not against hunting but it’s not a meat hunt it’s a trophy hunt 100 percent.

Ummmmmm...how about population management and oh I don't know...science maybe??

[fozzy]

I hardly think that grizzly attacks will become a common occurrence. Been hunting sheep in grizzly country for 50 years. Grizzly hunts are trophy hunts. Not against hunting but it’s not a meat hunt it’s a trophy hunt 100 percent.

Years ago they served Grizz at a game dinner, its very tasty actually.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

I hardly think that grizzly attacks will become a common occurrence. Been hunting sheep in grizzly country for 50 years. Grizzly hunts are trophy hunts. Not against hunting but it’s not a meat hunt it’s a trophy hunt 100 percent.

It’s a hunt just like any other....black bear, sheep, mtn goat etc.

You sound like an anti

[Redthies]

Years ago they served Grizz at a game dinner, its very tasty actually.

I had grizzly with the tribal police in Mt Currie about 25 odd years ago. I recall it reminding me of dark turkey meat. I don’t recall thinking it was anything but tasty.

[Downtown]

My Ancestors (Alps) avoided eating Grizzly Bear which is a descendant of the European Brown Bear. Anthropologists found they berried the Meat and Bones under the dirt floors in the Huts. The Fur was used and Sculls & Claws for ceremonial purposes.

I followed their example did and I am was glad I did.

Cheers

[Rob Chipman]

That was a cool video mpotzold. Thanks.

[mpotzold]

That was a cool video mpotzold. Thanks.

Yes, I've never saw anything like it.
Here's the video again!
The full post was switched to "kill a moose save caribou"

Grizz kills caribou last fall. Great video.
Note the speed & endurance of the bear. They can run around 50 ft. per second.

"Bears are thought to have the best sense of smell of any animal on earth. For example, the average dog’s sense of smell is 100 times better than a humans(similar to wolf’s). A blood hound’s is 300 times better. A bear’s sense of smell is 7 times better than a blood hound’s or 2,100 times better than a human."

Seems like the grizz smelled the caribou from a long distance before seeing it.
Obviously the wind was favourable.

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTbOsZe0dZ0)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTbOsZe0dZ0


(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTbOsZe0dZ0)

[knothead]

Griz v Bison in Yellowstone part amidst a bunch of tourists filming, original vid was about 8min but it has been cropped



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf6VHH15ihw

[Ron.C]

Cool video knothead, thanks for sharing.

[stoneramhunter]

No one hunts grizzly for the meat. It’s a trophy hunt. Not anti just calling it as it is and no it’s not like any other hunt such as deer buffalo elk or black bear.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

No one hunts grizzly for the meat. It’s a trophy hunt. Not anti just calling it as it is and no it’s not like any other hunt such as deer buffalo elk or black bear.

Problem is that you trying to say it’s either a meat hunt or a trophy hunt.

Why do you hunt sheep? Just for the trophy? Or is there more to it? The country where they live? The challenge? Just the meat? Or is it a combination of all those??

SSS

[Elkaholic]

Problem is that you trying to say it’s either a meat hunt or a trophy hunt.

Why do you hunt sheep? Just for the trophy? Or is there more to it? The country where they live? The challenge? Just the meat? Or is it a combination of all those??

SSS

Spot on there SSS. G Bear hunts are predator management plain and simple. Call it whatever you want to put a spin on it but its still game management. Trophy is in the eye of the beholder as they say.

[stoneramhunter]

Science? Not sure what you mean. Bear population is 10 percent of what it was. Of grizzly attacks 99 % have been defensive only a few ever recorded stalking humans. I’m sure Many grizzlies shot were shot because they saw a grizzly within hundred yards of them. Guess the theme is better dead for the bear. Like I said not anti hunter just
giving an opinion. Have to say though I’d be interested in chatting with someone who’s meat preference is grizzly to hunt for the meat. Been packing horses hunting sheep in the back country for over 50 yrs haven’t met one yet who’s out there for. Grizzly bear meat for the palette.

[stoneramhunter]

What I’m getting at is hunters who say the are hunting grizzlies for the meat. Let’s be real about it more grizz meat was left in the bush than any other big game animal

[whitlers]

Science? Not sure what you mean. Bear population is 10 percent of what it was. Of grizzly attacks 99 % have been defensive only a few ever recorded stalking humans. I’m sure Many grizzlies shot were shot because they saw a grizzly within hundred yards of them. Guess the theme is better dead for the bear. Like I said not anti hunter just
giving an opinion. Have to say though I’d be interested in chatting with someone who’s meat preference is grizzly to hunt for the meat. Been packing horses hunting sheep in the back country for over 50 yrs haven’t met one yet who’s out there for. Grizzly bear meat for the palette.

That's interesting...2002 Grizzly bear population in BC was estimated at 14,000 and today around 15,000. Meaning their population is actually on the rise..not to mention BC is home to 1/4 of the North American population of Grizzly bears. Of the 56 units in BC only 9 are considered at risk so I would gather that they are actually doing quite well in BC. Obviously the biggest concern is habitat and not (what was) legal hunting. Is a grizzly hunt a 'Trophy' hunt? Sure it depends on how you define it. I would consider the first buck I ever shot a small 3x3 euro on my wall a 'Trophy'. A Trophy is something you are proud of and worked hard for. In the case of Grizzly bears I would say sure it's a 'Trophy' but it's also a management hunt. Do you think BC biologists just throw random allowed harvest numbers out there for fun? Removing the old boars creates room for you younger ones to breed and survive.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Spot on there SSS. G Bear hunts are predator management plain and simple. Call it whatever you want to put a spin on it but its still game management. Trophy is in the eye of the beholder as they say.


The grizzly bear harvest didn’t have an impact on the population. It was managed so it didn’t. That’s why it was defensible by science.

SSS

[Elkaholic]

The grizzly bear harvest didn’t have an impact on the population. It was managed so it didn’t. That’s why it was defensible by science.

SSS

Exactly!! But because its was deemed "Trophy" by all the turds out there we need to ban it....

[stoneramhunter]

Its a good thing that grizzlies are making a slight rebound. 15000 is not something we should embrace as good. its a low number from where they were at one time. . once again my issue is not the hunting of grizzlies its the man hunting them as a trophy hunt and the meat left in the woods. at one time there where 150,000 plus on the west coast with close to 40000 alone in b.c.. with that many there were still plenty of moose and elk around. unfortunately grizzly habitat has become confined. ive had numerous interactions over 50 yrs in the mountains so im comfortable with my stand on grizzly bears. once again it appears that if you have an opinion thats not popular you get branded. \i guess being able to say you killed a grizzly is a badge of courage perhaps. wishing everyone a good hunt this year.

[stoneramhunter]

i guess im one of those turds. killing a bear just so that you can say you killed it is not sustainable when you leave the meat. so yeah i have a valid opinion ill wear the turd badge. ive seen plenty of bears in the back country and im still here.

[Downtown]

If a Grizzly dies of natural causes as most of them do, Avalanche - Drowning - Rockfall - predation, nothing is wasted. Eagles, Birds, Mice, Wolverine ect. will feed on it till its all gone exactly the same happens when a "Trophy Hunter" shots one.
The big difference is the "Trophy hunter usually gets the Hide made into a Rug or Lifesize mount which puts a lot of Money into the Provincial economy, in the case of a Guided hunt upwards of 30K.

Cheers

Cheers

[stoneramhunter]

FYI tremendous amounts of money has been made by tourists viewing grizzlies than shooting one Camera has multiple shots and it’s become a huge tourist draw putting plenty of money into the economy over and over To say grizzly meat left by a hunter is akin to dying of natural causes ect as a norm makes no sense. Killing an animal for the cape and leaving the meat behind is a trophy hunt plain and simple. I’m not coming down on hunters just hunters who can’t acknowledge why they hunt grizz. Which is not a difficult animal to hunt by any stretch of the imagination.

[MDR]

Can hope the Yukon holds onto their hunt as it is under attack now too.
If they hold, BC has a chance. If they fold and close it, that would nail the lid shut forever.
Hope the fight to save the hunt is strong up there.

I hope Yukon hunters step up as well...because I haven't heard much opposition to the group wanting a moratorium :(. I won't be staying quiet if there is a bigger push, sound management includes responsible hunting opportunities.

I have one on the wall and it also filled my slow cooker many times. Interior grizz is just like black bear imo.

[LBM]

Science? Not sure what you mean. Bear population is 10 percent of what it was. Of grizzly attacks 99 % have been defensive only a few ever recorded stalking humans. I’m sure Many grizzlies shot were shot because they saw a grizzly within hundred yards of them. Guess the theme is better dead for the bear. Like I said not anti hunter just
giving an opinion. Have to say though I’d be interested in chatting with someone who’s meat preference is grizzly to hunt for the meat. Been packing horses hunting sheep in the back country for over 50 yrs haven’t met one yet who’s out there for. Grizzly bear meat for the palette.

Have any sheep storeys

[whitlers]

Its a good thing that grizzlies are making a slight rebound. 15000 is not something we should embrace as good. its a low number from where they were at one time. . once again my issue is not the hunting of grizzlies its the man hunting them as a trophy hunt and the meat left in the woods. at one time there where 150,000 plus on the west coast with close to 40000 alone in b.c.. with that many there were still plenty of moose and elk around. unfortunately grizzly habitat has become confined. ive had numerous interactions over 50 yrs in the mountains so im comfortable with my stand on grizzly bears. once again it appears that if you have an opinion thats not popular you get branded. \i guess being able to say you killed a grizzly is a badge of courage perhaps. wishing everyone a good hunt this year.

Where the heck are you getting your numbers??? 40,000 in BC??? I highly doubt that. BC Government research study in 2012 estimated the BC Grizzly population in the 1970's at around 6,600....are you quoting numbers from the 1800's?

Bottom line is that the grizzly bear hunt was sustainable and backed by wildlife management trophy or not.

Are you seriously advertising grizzly viewing tourists who pay companies that bait bears for viewing?? The same companies that advocated to remove your hunting rights and continue to go after the wolf and black bear harvest.

You must be a special kind of stupid.

[HarryToolips]

^^^Furthermore, urban expansion & habitat loss are the greatest threats to griz and all wildlife in general, not selective hunting....

[Stone Sheep Steve]

i guess im one of those turds. killing a bear just so that you can say you killed it is not sustainable when you leave the meat. so yeah i have a valid opinion ill wear the turd badge. ive seen plenty of bears in the back country and im still here.

The only grizzly kill that we didn’t pack out the meat was the very first one I was in on. But that was back in the day before the WWW and we didn’t know if it was edible or not.
Since that bear, we have always utilized the meat and not just because we felt obligated to use it. We did so because it was every bit as good as any black bears we have eaten.

Labelling it as pure trophy hunt isn’t accurate. It’s not right to tell other people why they hunt. That’s what liberal anti hunters do.

Most of the people I know supported changing it to mandatory meat retention.

SSS

[WelderGuy]

the only grizzly kill that we didn’t pack out the meat was the very first one i was in on. But that was back in the day before the www and we didn’t know if it was edible or not.
Since that bear, we have always utilized the meat and not just because we felt obligated to use it. We did so because it was every bit as good as any black bears we have eaten.

Labelling it as pure trophy hunt isn’t accurate. It’s not right to tell other people why they hunt. That’s what liberal anti hunters do.

Most of the people i know supported changing it to mandatory meat retention.

Sss

agreed, 100%

[stoneramhunter]

Hey whitlers
you’re pretty brave to be calling someone special kind of stupid from behind a computer. Perhaps you would like to meet and discuss the grizzly hunt.

[whitlers]

Hey whitlers
you’re pretty brave to be calling someone special kind of stupid from behind a computer. Perhaps you would like to meet and discuss the grizzly hunt.

So I'm the tough guy for calling your opinion stupid but you feel private messaging me to 'meet up' and prove my point is fair? Why do you feel inclined to threaten me instead of arguing your point using logical facts? The days of meeting up over an internet beef are long behind me but thanks for the offer?? Wtf

[stoneramhunter]

Lol it’s the same message I made on the open chat. You didn’t say my opinion was stupid . You personally called me some kind of stupid and the offer is still there to meet and discuss. I stand by my facts.

[Darksith]

Science? Not sure what you mean. Bear population is 10 percent of what it was. Of grizzly attacks 99 % have been defensive only a few ever recorded stalking humans. I’m sure Many grizzlies shot were shot because they saw a grizzly within hundred yards of them. Guess the theme is better dead for the bear. Like I said not anti hunter just
giving an opinion. Have to say though I’d be interested in chatting with someone who’s meat preference is grizzly to hunt for the meat. Been packing horses hunting sheep in the back country for over 50 yrs haven’t met one yet who’s out there for. Grizzly bear meat for the palette.
What a joke, some guy with the name stoneramhunter...bc we hunt sheep for the meat right? You just toss out the horns? A stone sheep hunt is the exact same thing as a grizzly bear hunt. If it was only about the meat no one would hunt anything other than moose and elk for the simple reason of cost effectiveness. Hunting is more than a trophy, its more than the meat, its the challenge and the experience, the thrill of the hunt, not the need for killing

[whitlers]

Lol it’s the same message I made on the open chat. You didn’t say my opinion was stupid . You personally called me some kind of stupid and the offer is still there to meet and discuss. I stand by my facts.

Get bent bud. I don't have time for your crap.

[cameron0518]

Lol it’s the same message I made on the open chat. You didn’t say my opinion was stupid . You personally called me some kind of stupid and the offer is still there to meet and discuss. I stand by my facts.

Can you put a link up from where you are getting your number facts on Grizzlies?

[Gateholio]

FYI tremendous amounts of money has been made by tourists viewing grizzlies than shooting one Camera has multiple shots and it’s become a huge tourist draw putting plenty of money into the economy over and over To say grizzly meat left by a hunter is akin to dying of natural causes ect as a norm makes no sense. Killing an animal for the cape and leaving the meat behind is a trophy hunt plain and simple. I’m not coming down on hunters just hunters who can’t acknowledge why they hunt grizz. Which is not a difficult animal to hunt by any stretch of the imagination.

Wildlife viewing tourism and hunting don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I've been on a few grizzly hunts accompanying friends where I had no tag so no chance of a trophy. I went for the experience, adventure and fun. It's not so cut and dry as to say it's exclusively about a trophy.

[cameron0518]

FYI tremendous amounts of money has been made by tourists viewing grizzlies than shooting one Camera has multiple shots and it’s become a huge tourist draw putting plenty of money into the economy over and over To say grizzly meat left by a hunter is akin to dying of natural causes ect as a norm makes no sense. Killing an animal for the cape and leaving the meat behind is a trophy hunt plain and simple. I’m not coming down on hunters just hunters who can’t acknowledge why they hunt grizz. Which is not a difficult animal to hunt by any stretch of the imagination.

I don't doubt that there are some tourist dollars from people that want pics. My question is why don't I see any photography tours 40km deep into the bush? These tourist dollars are coming from non hunting areas from what I can tell meaning that these tourist bears were never being hunted to begin with.

[stoneramhunter]

hi Cameron0518
wayne sawchuck has horsepack tours into the muskwa kuwcheka his entire trip covers hundred of miles. I've run into his groups on the gataga as well up on the chizca and over on the tetsa. Hes booked one or two years in advance. backcountry tourists can book for a week or the whole trip covering many many weeks cant get much deep into the back country than his trips. no hunting just tourists with cameras. once again before the comments come out im not against hunting just opinionated on hunters who dont take the meat out.

[BRrooster]

Stoneramhunter, what are your thoughts on predator control? I have never hunted Grizzly bear myself, and i can see your concern on meat "wasting". What do you think about Wolf population
control. I've heard that wolf meat is especially bad. Do you think that wolves should'nt be shot either? Was that the Yellowstone area that re-introduced the wolf, and had problems with them again?
Sorry if I am getting off the Grizz thread.

[stoneramhunter]

Wolves are a real threat to ungulates herbavores and have definatley had an impact on elk and moose. once again its encroachmet on the backcountry something has to give. Properly monitered i think the cull is working. No idea what wolf meat tastes like. this year many of my friends on jet boats report seeing a lot of calves mosoe and elk up the muskwa this year which is a good sign. historically the ranges were much more diverse and were able to sustain a large variety of animals without impacting the balance however now that that has changed unfortunatley wolves are extremely well adapted to hunting and the odds are skewered in there favor. so i think the cull managed properly is working. but ofcourse i would be opposed to wiping the entire population out that would be insane and id like to believe that is never a solution.
best hunting

[LBM]

hi Cameron0518
wayne sawchuck has horsepack tours into the muskwa kuwcheka his entire trip covers hundred of miles. I've run into his groups on the gataga as well up on the chizca and over on the tetsa. Hes booked one or two years in advance. backcountry tourists can book for a week or the whole trip covering many many weeks cant get much deep into the back country than his trips. no hunting just tourists with cameras. once again before the comments come out im not against hunting just opinionated on hunters who dont take the meat out.

Still no sheep storys, lets hear about some of those rams.
Was in the muskwa/ prophet country but some time ago, but beautiful country, saw lots of big rams, moose, elk bears etc.
Personal don't think the Grizzly season should have ever been shut down or that a rule to bring out the meat should be implemented either.

[stoneramhunter]

Not much to say for sheep stories. mostly hunt sheep solo either by horse, backpack or fly in. Hunted many of the drainage's in northern B.C. harvested some nice rams. It is your choice to hunt grizzly as a trophy hunt and not take the meat out but i believe that was one of many factors that shut down the hunt leaves a bad taste for a lot of people re killing tthe animal and leaving the meat to spoil. perhaps a mandatory meat must be taken would have helped.

[LBM]

Not much to say for sheep stories. mostly hunt sheep solo either by horse, backpack or fly in. Hunted many of the drainage's in northern B.C. harvested some nice rams. It is your choice to hunt grizzly as a trophy hunt and not take the meat out but i believe that was one of many factors that shut down the hunt leaves a bad taste for a lot of people re killing tthe animal and leaving the meat to spoil. perhaps a mandatory meat must be taken would have helped.
I never said any thing about trophy hunt, I believe it is you and others using such words as trophy, spoil , leaving, etc in a attempt to make it sound bad or wrong that cause the problem. You no the ones that really don't hunt, but don't like
others doing it either, or really don't no that much about wildlife.

[KodiakHntr]

I sure dislike it when hunters use meat as the only acceptable reason to experience a hunt.

[gcreek]

Still no sheep storys, lets hear about some of those rams.
Was in the muskwa/ prophet country but some time ago, but beautiful country, saw lots of big rams, moose, elk bears etc.
Personal don't think the Grizzly season should have ever been shut down or that a rule to bring out the meat should be implemented either.

Well LBM, we finally agree on something... two something’s for fact!

Me also thinks this so called sheep hunter is nothing but sheep pellets......

[gcreek]

Wolves are a real threat to ungulates herbavores and have definatley had an impact on elk and moose. once again its encroachmet on the backcountry something has to give. Properly monitered i think the cull is working. No idea what wolf meat tastes like. this year many of my friends on jet boats report seeing a lot of calves mosoe and elk up the muskwa this year which is a good sign. historically the ranges were much more diverse and were able to sustain a large variety of animals without impacting the balance however now that that has changed unfortunatley wolves are extremely well adapted to hunting and the odds are skewered in there favor. so i think the cull managed properly is working. but ofcourse i would be opposed to wiping the entire population out that would be insane and id like to believe that is never a solution.
best hunting

Ungulates, herbivores, elk and moose are all different categories concerning prey? Are we forgetting all the rest lumped in?

Blah, blah, blah, you are another Instant Expert with nothing to back up your opinions.

[stoneramhunter]

Gcreek I was responding to a question about wolves and they are a threat no need to be an expert on that. Ofcourse you could ask any outfitter what wolves are doing and they will tell you what im saying . perhaps you should check the facts.

[stoneramhunter]

as well im sure several of the sheep hunters here would know who I am if i gave my name. like i said Ive got some very nice rams. theres 2 of them in the photo gallery and iI have hunted sheep for 50 years in most all of the drainages. gcreek take a look at the mounted stone I posted. . age it and take look where the eye is to the center of the curl how far it drops below the jaw line and above the nose that might give you a indication of the score on that ram. because i dont tell stories about my rams shouldnt be mistaken for someone hasnt killed some magnificant rams. And many of my rams were solo hunts. Ive also meet with some members from the site given them advise on good sheep spots showm them the route on google maps. and they have gone out and had success. im not opposed to helping out fellow sheep hunters:) in fact i flew my plane out to port alberni and met with a guy and his father who wanted to hunt sheep and goats let them photo my topo maps with routes licks ect. because i happen to have a different take on grizzlies seems to make me a target. thats ok . if you still think Im not a sheep hunter and full of sheep pellets or as your insinuating full of shit your sorly mistaken. but no hard feelings best huntin to ya im leaveing for a 14 day sheep hunt at the end of the month.

[gcreek]

Gcreek I was responding to a question about wolves and they are a threat no need to be an expert on that. Ofcourse you could ask any outfitter what wolves are doing and they will tell you what im saying . perhaps you should check the facts.

I don’t need to check facts, I live them.

[stoneramhunter]

Hahahahaha

[stoneramhunter]

Well LBM, we finally agree on something... two something’s for fact!

Me also thinks this so called sheep hunter is nothing but sheep pellets......




as you stated youve been in the muskwa/prophet and seen a lot of big rams. So you must be able to score sheep any comments on the ram pic i posted and you still think Im posing as a sheep hunter:)

[stoneramhunter]

Well LBM, we finally agree on something... two something’s for fact!

Me also thinks this so called sheep hunter is nothing but sheep pellets......

Youve hunted the muskwa/ prophet area and seen a lot of big sheep thats impressive, So you can score sheep. The mounted ram I posted in the gallery came from Kravic creek any thoughts on the ram? you still think im posing as a sheep hunter?

[gcreek]

Youve hunted the muskwa/ prophet area and seen a lot of big sheep thats impressive, So you can score sheep. The mounted ram I posted in the gallery came from Kravic creek any thoughts on the ram? you still think im posing as a sheep hunter?

You have me mixed up with another. I have never been there nor have I had the time to hunt sheep.

I can however, smell bs when someone starts pitching it. Maybe you could search and find out what I am. Been here awhile.

I don’t live in an urban area or even within 340 km of one.

[stoneramhunter]

LOL well your nose stopped working in my case you reposted lbm comments. but you made the claim im not a sheep hunter and yes i apologize mixed you up with lbm post it was him that has been in the muskwa prophet area but you tagged his post and made the post that im posing as a sheep hunter. i put a a few pics yet that doesnt seem to please ya. alls good have a good hunting season. if you ever want to hunt sheep id be happy to offer some help :)

[KodiakHntr]

Stoneramhunter, I find it somewhat interesting that you seem to be onboard with the wolf cull, but for some reason you seem to be against the grizzly hunt because it is a "trophy hunt"? Wolves indescriminantly shot from a helicopter with no regards to age or family unit composition is ok, but killing a bear and enriching ones life for the experience isn't ok?

For the record, I have zero issue with people who hunt for the experience when done fairly, making their own decisions, and reconciling that experience in their minds for their own benefit. Being led by the nuts to a big bull elk or ram or deer that other people patterned and hunted isn't a hunt to me, its merely being the trigger man in the execution of an animal.
I don't classify killing a hog in the pen in my back yard as a hunt, even though I was the only person involved in the entire process from trigger pull to pork chop.
I have zero issue with people, like myself, who are picky on the animals they kill, and let the experience guide their compass on when they are ready for a hunt to be over.
I also have zero issue with people who are as thrilled with shooting a spike muley from the side of the road as I am from finding a mature 4 point high in the rocks on the last day of the season. Not everyone hunts for the same reasons. I hunt deer every single year, all season long, but I sure as hell don't do it for the meat.
And yes, I absolutely do classify myself as a trophy hunter. I don't find issue with the term.

I wrote this a couple years ago when I was feeling a bit verbose, and possibly a bit tipsy. (I apologize to the ones who have read it already, but it did seem kind of fitting in this thread...)

Not everyone hunts for the same reasons. Period.

I am a sheep hunter. I love sheep meat, but I have no interest in hunting ewes. I will not condemn those that choose to though. I hunt sheep for the experience, for the chance to be out there in their country and watch them, and for the hope that I can find one big enough to kill so that I can posses him, hold his horns in my hands, and wonder about the chips and gouges he acquired in his life time. I will look at those horns on the wall and relieve those days long past the time that I am able to climb those mountains. The meat will be eaten because I like it, but that is a trophy to me as well. Few will be able to taste the meat of a mountain sheep fairly hunted, but I have.

I am a grizzly hunter. I run my fingers through the long fur of the mountain grizzly I killed, and I will relive those moments where I trailed him through the alders after I shot him. I will watch the video of his reaction to the shot as he fed high on a mountain slide, and I will be secure in the knowledge that my life is better for that experience, for I have hunted the grizzly in his home, on his terms. I did not hunt that bear so that his flesh might sustain me, I hunted that bear to collect the memories and to know deep down that I have been tested, and stood strong.

I am an elk hunter. I hunted elk across mountains and through forests. And I listened to the sweet sound of elk bugles and chuckles and grunts, and it filled my soul with purity and strength. I let animals that I could have killed walk unmolested, because they didn't meet the criteria I held myself to at that time. And when that season came close to ending I killed an elk that had no antlers, had no teeth, had nothing to offer in the way of a trophy but the memories, and it's sweet meat that fed my family over the winter.

I cannot pretend to fully understand your motivations for you trying to tell me why I should be ashamed of my reasons to hunt. And I don't expect you to understand my reasons to hunt. I can tell you though, that I am not ashamed of killing a bear, and taking his hide so that I might better remember his life. And I am not ashamed that his flesh fed the Ravens and Eagles and sustained lives other than mine, for that was his purpose, much the same as every other living being that has existed. Had I not killed that boar high on that mountain, his flesh would have come to no different end, possibly at some other time, but after his last breath, the result would have been the same; he provided life to other animals that needed it.

[stoneramhunter]

Kodiakhunter thanks for the response. Reading your post I would like to believe your a decent guy with hunting savvy But I’m fairly confident saying you wouldn’t shoot a Deer and leave the meat . Really no different than a Grizzly. That’s my stand. Some have posted that grizzley should be hunted because attacks will become fairly norm as if there’s a grizz behind every tree simply not true and a myriad of other reasons . Some claim they hunt grizzly for the meat perhaps a small number do if so never met one and I have been hunting a long time. Once again I’m not against grizzly hunting but it’s a trophy hunt call it what it is. hunters should still be required to take the meat out. I don’t think that should be difficult to accept . Once again for clarity not opposing the grizzly hunt




Have a great hunting season.

[KodiakHntr]

I personally find fault in the concept that the only acceptable reason to hunt an animal is for meat. Have you ever shot a wolf? Coyote? Wolverine? How did they taste?

[stoneramhunter]

no never shot a wolf coyote or wolverine. i think youre implying correct me if im wron thatyour saying if i shot one i should pack the meat out? having said that i think a grizzly hunt is slightly different than a gcoyote not looking to get into a pissing match with you. im not against hunting as ive stated. i have issue specifcally with grizzly hunt and leaving the meat. . i dont have any thoughts on coyotes wolverines. everyone has thre reasons to hunt i dont slam them personally i simply have an opinion and no i dont try to shame anyone. having said that thres several on here who get downright nasty and personal alls good im comfortable as a hunter and still respect others points of view.

[KodiakHntr]

That's not the point I'm trying to make with you.


Do you fish? Do you kill each fish you catch and then as soon as you hit your limit (either personal or legal limit that is) then you stop fishing?

[KodiakHntr]

no never shot a wolf coyote or wolverine. i think youre implying correct me if im wron thatyour saying if i shot one i should pack the meat out? having said that i think a grizzly hunt is slightly different than a gcoyote not looking to get into a pissing match with you. im not against hunting as ive stated. i have issue specifcally with grizzly hunt and leaving the meat. . i dont have any thoughts on coyotes wolverines. everyone has thre reasons to hunt i dont slam them personally i simply have an opinion and no i dont try to shame anyone. having said that thres several on here who get downright nasty and personal alls good im comfortable as a hunter and still respect others points of view.

This is the point I am trying to make. What you are saying to me, whether you realize it or not, is that you don't agree with MY reasons to hunt grizzlies because it doesn't correspond with what you think is an acceptable reason. You are directly saying that my reasons aren't valid, because they don't line up with your reasons. You are virtue signalling to everyone here that you think your reasons are more valid than my reasons.

You are directly damaging my ability to hunt grizzlies every time you say something like that online or in conversation by giving your beliefs validity. You are allowed to have your opinion and your beliefs but use those to govern your own life.
Whether I recover every single ounce of meat or not from a grizzly killed has zero impact on you. I don't know you, I won't be sharing any meat with you, you won't be in my home and looking at that mount. You won't even see the pictures of the hunt or hear the memories I have. It has zero impact on your life, other than the idea of someone doing something you don't agree with offends you.

My actions and beliefs don't have to fit into your life. So don't have your actions or beliefs imposed on mine.

Whether the meat of a bear gets utilized or not has no impact on anyone other than myself. If you were to stumble onto a complete rotting carcass after the hide had been peeled off it would still have no impact on you. If I had boned out that animal completely down to the slivers there would still be the exact same amount of meat for you to have. Even if you and your family were starving and depended on that bear to survive, there would be no net difference. Either the bears and birds and bugs ate him, or I did. There still would be zero gain for you because I found him and killed him first.

You have your reasons for not shooting wolves or coyotes or wolverines. The idea that you have had opportunity to do so and chose not to offends me greatly, but I don't come on here and call you out for it. The extent of my involvement in your life to that regard is simply that I shake my head and carry on killing coyotes and wolves every time the legal opportunity presents itself. I understand that you HAVE reasons for your actions, and let it go at that because I respect the fact that you have reasons.

Live your life, have your beliefs, and keep them to yourself. Beliefs are to govern YOUR actions, not anyone else's.

[stoneramhunter]

not sure what your getting at but yes i fish mostly trout sometimes Salmon and never past the limit only what i need. why? is there some corelation to why its okay to leave grizz meat behind and fishing. thats a hunters personal choice i think it hurts hunting however thats my opinion once again no intent to shame or put anybody personally down . to those who say they hunt grizzz and take the meat out good for you. i had a ranch north of Dawson on the banks of the peace river for close tio thirty five years full of deer elk moose and bear. i never allowedd hunting on it and didnt hunt the ranch myself at all. it became quite the sanctuary for animals 1000 acre spread but as soon as they crossed the fence line alls fair. i allowed my friends to stay at my place and hunt the surrounding areas. it worked out to be a good solution for me and the wildlife. itr was a personal chioice to do it and no regret as the animals thrived. no need to go into the mountains for elk :)

[stoneramhunter]

your not gonna silence me from having an opinion and you have the same right. Im NOT imposing anything on you if you can read my posts i clearly state its a personal desicion one makes. id be equally opininated if someone killed a sheep a deer or and elk and left the meat. its doesnt help hunting . and id like to believe im not the only one who thinks that way. once again im not imposing anything on ya . you want to shoot animals and leave the meat behind thats your choice i just dont happen to agree. and if my opinion so offends you that its personal for ya dont read my posts or ignore me i have thick skin. trust me my little opinion didnt shut down the grizzly hunt Im not that influential:)

[KodiakHntr]

The issue is that you don't understand that by minimizing someone else's reasons to hunt is that you damage everyone's ability to hunt. You are actively working against anyone being able to hunt because some one else's reasons to hunt don't necessarily line up with yours.

If people continue on with the "its only ok if you eat it" argument then soon people will only be able to hunt stuff that the general public sees as acceptable table fodder. And then the next step is "well, its really about the meat", and we can raise domestic goats/pigs/chickens/beef in much smaller parcels of land than the wilderness. And if there is no need to go to the wilderness to hunt because the meat is made in a controlled area then there is no need to have public access to the wilderness. And no reason to have a 4x4 because you don't need that to go to Safeway, so that cuts down on fuel which saves the planet. We can bus people to Jasper if they want to see a mountain or a goat.

You can have your opinion, nobody is saying you can't. But let your opinion govern your own life. Choose to NOT hunt a grizzly and not have to worry about getting the meat out. Let everyone else worry about their own decisions and lives, mind your own.

[stoneramhunter]

not buying into that. and stop trying to fit my opinions into little boxes im not minimizing anything and no lol im not activly working against anybody and everyones ability to hunt thats absurd. i hunt i respect hunters and i also respect animals. to say im activily working against anyone being able to hunt is garbage. im sure you have strong convictions about hunting but lets not get so inflamatory as to accuse me of activley trying to end hunting. one day if you like we can sit down and debate it but i would never make it personal and the private messages of hate antihunter member of peta scammer bull shitter ect that i reciev e incresases but like i said i have thick skin:) but lets not restort to staemnts im activley working to end hunters rights i have enough hate mail lol

[madcalfe]

@stoneramhunter sooo im confused its not ok to hunt grizzly's for their hide and not take the meat but completely fine for a trapper to hunt everything else for furs and pelts.... the wolves, raccoons, coyotes, wolverines, beavers and so on of this world would say your a systematic racist... #small animal lives matter to lmao

[Avalanche123]

This was a really interesting thread until post #59 and then it has gone sideways...wtf. Too bad really.

[madcalfe]

stoneramhunter (http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/member.php?333252-stoneramhunter)
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hi Madcalf

most of the chat was around grizzly and not taking the meat. wasnt really talking about trapping. but since you bring it up i guess trapping for sustanence is ok but im not a fan of trapping so the furs can be draped over someone. before you go off lol its only my opinion and im a nobody lol. I realyy stick to my sheep hunting. leaving next week. i have a box full of hate mail as it is but thats okay. i dont shoot and leave the meat in the woods thats my way of hunting if someone wants to leave the carcasses thats their choice and they can have an opininon but i never make it personal.

have a great hunting season and be safe

real sheep hunter not PETA or troll or poser lol



this guy sounds fake as ****..
even in his bio its says "I’m a hard core hunter with packhorses. Hunted many of the drainages in B.C. Prophet, muskwa,Gatho, Turnigon,Gataga"
what guy says that especially one that has been hunting for how long ?
Funny he names every well known area lol

[stoneramhunter]

I am that guy that says that and nothing wrong with it no need to be jealous. and have been hunting sheep for 50 yrs. obviuosly theres nothing i can say that would make you believe it. s. besides packing with horses also pilot my own aircraft into areas. and yes packpack in aswell. that will probably put you into a bender lol. wait i must be bull shitting about that as well i see it coming. i put a couple of sheep pics on the gallery take a look at the mount . like ive said before helped a few new sheep hunters on the site get started and happy to help. then again if you are proven wrong you man enough to apologize :)

[Husky7mm]

I don’t think it is a “waste “ to leave a grizzly carcass in the woods after a successful hunt. Ask the 3 vultures and 2 golden eagles that consumed most of my bear in day if they thought it was a “waste“. They probably thought they won the scavenger lotto. Nothing in the wilderness goes to waste, its all consumed by something. Its the circle of life. Animals do it to each other too, its nature and we are a part of it.

[Husky7mm]

That is a stunning stone sheep, congratulations it must have been very satisfying.

[stoneramhunter]

thanks it was and if your profile name is about husquavarna 7mm mag thats what i shoot with a vortex 160 grain tsx bt. been with me 40 years now older swaraski scope 3x9

[Arctic Lake]

If we are still going with OP,s first post .Just saw a clip of a white grizzly in Yoho .
Arctic Lake

[Husky7mm]

stoneramhunter (http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/member.php?333252-stoneramhunter)
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hi Madcalf

most of the chat was around grizzly and not taking the meat. wasnt really talking about trapping. but since you bring it up i guess trapping for sustanence is ok but im not a fan of trapping so the furs can be draped over someone. before you go off lol its only my opinion and im a nobody lol. I realyy stick to my sheep hunting. leaving next week. i have a box full of hate mail as it is but thats okay. i dont shoot and leave the meat in the woods thats my way of hunting if someone wants to leave the carcasses thats their choice and they can have an opininon but i never make it personal.

have a great hunting season and be safe

real sheep hunter not PETA or troll or poser lol



this guy sounds fake as ****..
even in his bio its says "I’m a hard core hunter with packhorses. Hunted many of the drainages in B.C. Prophet, muskwa,Gatho, Turnigon,Gataga"
what guy says that especially one that has been hunting for how long ?
Funny he names every well known area lol

Everyone is different in how they come across and what they share, it takes all kinds.
Careful not to eat your own.

[AllDay]

As a community, I think we all (myself included) need to do better at respecting the fact that other people have different opinions and beliefs and that is OK. I think if this conversation was had in real life it would be done in a way that doesn’t lead to accusations and name calling. Just because someone doesn’t like the idea of leaving a few hundred pounds of meat in the bush doesn’t meant that they aren’t a vital part of this commmunity.

[Ron.C]

As a community, I think we all (myself included) need to do better at respecting the fact that other people have different opinions and beliefs and that is OK. I think if this conversation was had in real life it would be done in a way that doesn’t lead to accusations and name calling. Just because someone doesn’t like the idea of leaving a few hundred pounds of meat in the bush doesn’t meant that they aren’t a vital part of this commmunity.

Great post!!!!

[Grim]

This study on marsupials in australia made me think of grizzlies.
They lost all fear of predators after 13 generations.
Grizzlies are dangerous enough already - we dont need them thinking man is nothing to fear.

https://phys.org/news/2018-06-species-predators-isolation.html#:~:text=Species%20found%20to%20lose %20fear%20of%20predators%20after%2013%20generation s%20of%20protective%20isolation,-by%20Bob%20Yirka&text=A%20trio%20of%20researchers%20from,predators% 20in%20just%2013%20generations.

[mpotzold]

Yes, I've never saw anything like it.
Here's the video again!
The full post was switched to "kill a moose save caribou"

Grizz kills caribou last fall. Great video.
Note the speed & endurance of the bear. They can run around 50 ft. per second.

"Bears are thought to have the best sense of smell of any animal on earth. For example, the average dog’s sense of smell is 100 times better than a humans(similar to wolf’s). A blood hound’s is 300 times better. A bear’s sense of smell is 7 times better than a blood hound’s or 2,100 times better than a human."

Seems like the grizz smelled the caribou from a long distance before seeing it.
Obviously the wind was favourable.

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTbOsZe0dZ0)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTbOsZe0dZ0


(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTbOsZe0dZ0)


A great video of grizz hunting caribou from a few months ago.

Big grizz chases a huge caribou herd heading south in Brooks Range (northern Alaska/Yukon) & trying to separate mothers & calves.
He’s after calves as expected & finds 2 that are playing dead (see 1:11). Looks like he thinks the first one is dead & while approaching the second one they both being faster successfully escaped.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2Vre08o9M

[Redthies]

I have no desire to hunt a grizzly, and even LESS desire to be hunted BY one!

[Ron.C]

I have no desire to hunt a grizzly, and even LESS desire to be hunted BY one!

I drew a griz leh in reg some years back. Chose to hunt with a muzzleloader.

Got within range of a couple but never got a shot. Never killed a griz, but what an awesome hunt and it was so different having a tag in my pocket do the opposite of what i would normally do by trying to find and get close to a griz.

Like I said, was an amazing hunt.

[high horse Hal]

Have been on a handful of amazing hunts, getting close just to determine whether a shooter or not
Anyone can sign up for that hunt, then walk away
pics are often blurry for some reason

[tigrr]

2 grizzly's living within 3 miles of me. There used to be 7 within 5 miles.
Bear aware takes on a whole new meaning around here.
Fish fertilizer in the garden Ha, never.

[mpotzold]

Yes, I've never saw anything like it.
Here's the video again!
The full post was switched to "kill a moose save caribou"

Grizz kills caribou last fall. Great video.
Note the speed & endurance of the bear. They can run around 50 ft. per second.

"Bears are thought to have the best sense of smell of any animal on earth. For example, the average dog’s sense of smell is 100 times better than a humans(similar to wolf’s). A blood hound’s is 300 times better. A bear’s sense of smell is 7 times better than a blood hound’s or 2,100 times better than a human."

Seems like the grizz smelled the caribou from a long distance before seeing it.
Obviously the wind was favourable.

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTbOsZe0dZ0)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTbOsZe0dZ0


(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTbOsZe0dZ0)

Another example of how quickly the grizz can run.
-Yellowstone July 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WXVOml_SA4&t=41s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WXVOml_SA4&t=41s)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WXVOml_SA4&amp;t=41s

[Arctic Lake]

Great post Mpotzold ! Amazing footage ! The endurance those bears have is extraordinary to say the least .

A grizzly bears Olfactory senses are 2100 times more acute than humans . There brain is 1/3 the size of ours but their Olfactory bulb is 5 times greater . They can smell some scents 20 miles away .
Arctic Lake

[HarryToolips]

While elk hunting this season, we had these 2 grizzlies, a mother with her yearling, within 200 yards below our hike in camp, pic taken through my bino's:

https://i.imgur.com/BioyWGq.jpg

[MRP]

3 weeks ago a buddy and I put on 200k north west of PG I’m sure a 1/3 of that was driving on grizzly tracks. I remember when Esker park was made the bush ignorant biologists was on the radio talking about the wildlife there and said the park is to close to the city for grizzly to be there. I hunted it before it was a park, ran into grizzly a lot. Seen the several times in city limits. I bet most would not recognize a grizzly trail or a rub tree even if you flagged it out for them.

[wideopenthrottle]

I was a spectator to a grizzly hunt this fall....I followed grizz tracks that appeared to be following blackbear tracks...the bb tracks looked to be moving fast while the grizz tracks lumbered along behind...

[Greenthumbed]

Ive see more grizzlies in the last couple of season than I’ve seen legal bulls and bucks put together. It used to be interesting to see a grizzly. Now it’s annoying.