Forget your spring bear hunt: Horgan pushing gas to $2 - $3/L

[Fisher-Dude]

British Columbians could be facing gas at $2 to $3 per litre without Alberta oil

By Richard Zussman

Global News


Alberta Premier Rachel Notley is upping the ante in the dispute over the Trans Mountain pipeline, threatening to block oil and gas shipments to B.C. Keith Baldrey has the details.


If you think British Columbians have it bad at the pumps now, imagine if Alberta shuts off the oil tap.

The Alberta government announced on Thursday that it will put legislation in place to block the shipment of oil to B.C. if premier John Horgan’s government takes ‘extreme and illegal actions…to stop the pipeline.’ Alberta is concerned that any move to stop the federally approved Trans Mountain pipeline would cripple it’s economy.

“In the past, when workers in our energy industry were attacked and when the resources we own were threatened, Premier Peter Lougheed took bold actions,” read the Alberta Throne Speech. “Your government has been clear: Every option is on the table.”

The Alberta government blocked the shipment of B.C. wine into Alberta in February because of concerns the B.C. government was breaking provincial trade rules by looking at restricting the flow of bitumen through B.C. The Notley government has since lifted that ban.

Energy commentator and blogger Blair King has broken down what sort of impact a restriction on Alberta oil would have on British Columbia. In a recent post, King uses Natural Resources Canada numbers that show Edmonton refineries provides 50 to 60 per cent of the petroleum products needed in the Vancouver market.

“If a minor cut from the producer that supplies 20 per cent to 25 per cent of B.C.’s gasoline and diesel results in gasoline priced at $1.60/L imagine what shutting down 60 per cent of our supply for a week or two would do,” said King in his post. “We would be looking at gas in the $2/L – $3/L zone.”

“Ultimately the challenge faced by British Columbia is that our geography conspires against us in the transportation of fossil fuels. With mountains and water bodies in the way, getting fossil fuels to market is particularly challenging.”

Alberta UCP leader Jason Kenney has also announced if he is elected premier next year, he would restrict the flow of oil to B.C. if the Trans Mountain pipeline is blocked.

On Tuesday, gas in Metro Vancouver hit $1.50, making it the most expensive in North America. B.C. Environment Minister George Heyman said he doesn’t believe that Alberta actually would take the action of shutting down the flow of oil.

“I see no reason for the government of Alberta to take any action when all B.C. has been doing is standing up to our interests in proposing some regulations that are well in our jurisdiction,” said Heyman. “We are determined to defend our environment, our economy and our coastline. We have tried to be the adults in the room here.”

The B.C. government is still working with a legal team to determine a reference question for the courts around the discussion of restricting the flow of bitumen by rail or pipeline through the province. Heyman is adamant that the courts should settle this case, and not a neighbouring provincial government by restricting the export of a natural resource.

“I see no reason that Alberta will take an unlawful action against the province,” said Heyman. “We have refer an issue of contention to the courts, we believe that is where legal issues should be determined.”


https://globalnews.ca/news/4071934/british-columbians-oil-ban-trans-mountain/

[Wild one]

Hope Alberta does it the maybe some dumb hippie types will learn

[Petros65]

I'm guessing that you don't know both BC and Alberta are NDP ? --- Liberals lost in BC (but we could hunt grizzly - under their leadership) and the Liberals have never had Alberta. So yup the dumb hippie types supported the pipelines and grizzly hunting. Now looks like bag limits are going to reduced further (under the NDP) --- Let me know how things work out for us?

Hope Alberta does it the maybe some dumb hippie types will learn

[Bear Chaser]

I absolutely hope Alberta follows through on this threat. If Vancouverites don’t want pipelines to be built they can quit Using the products currently being shipped as well.

[Jelvis]

Bear that's a hellava good point there I dig that. Quit using the products if yah don't want to help out!
Jel -- hey sounds cool bear

[Wild one]

I'm guessing that you don't know both BC and Alberta are NDP ? --- Liberals lost in BC (but we could hunt grizzly - under their leadership) and the Liberals have never had Alberta. So yup the dumb hippie types supported the pipelines and grizzly hunting. Now looks like bag limits are going to reduced further (under the NDP) --- Let me know how things work out for us?

Well aware both are NDP

It is the public that complain about the pipeline but want the benefit of oil are the ones that need to experience the price hike

[Jelvis]

There's so much pressure building over this pipeline why doesn't someone with authority put an end to this and start building?
-- these people using gas and oil and products and expect others to pay with high prices.
-- I don't use a vehicle I'm retired and walk and ride.
-- I can use city bus if I want or need too
It's going to be built one way or another so might as well grow up and start the work ,,
-- I hear the work is going on already anyways but not in certain areas.
Jel -- hoping we all get satisfaction out of this whole great big thing -- it's pretty huge but eh (when started officially), taker slow Joe

[bigredchev]

I have a fuel card, who's wants to go bear hunting?:-P

[tuner]

You’re witnessing NDP incompitence at its finest, (on both sides of the provincial borders)
the Notley government hated oil as much as Horgan does, the difference is they got shitkicked by a dose of
reality when they took the reigns of power,and to their horror,discovered that oil revenue pays for their
toys,like public sector union employee wages and benefits. Horgan will see the angry Vancouver suburbs that kicked the Liberals to the curb, turn on him and incinerate the NDP If the cost of fuel goes beyond the already ludicrous rates. Peoples livelihoods are at stake here, and they tend to be sensitive about that sort of thing.

[limit time]

There's so much pressure building over this pipeline why doesn't someone with authority put an end to this and start building?
-- these people using gas and oil and products and expect others to pay with high prices.
-- I don't use a vehicle I'm retired and walk and ride.
-- I can use city bus if I want or need too
It's going to be built one way or another so might as well grow up and start the work ,,
-- I hear the work is going on already anyways but not in certain areas.
Jel -- hoping we all get satisfaction out of this whole great big thing -- it's pretty huge but eh (when started officially), taker slow Joe
Because your “blood” won’t let it happen also...

[Jelvis]

-- Wrong my band members have agreed (already got money) from Kinder More Gun so not correct limit -- our tribe ok'd it already waiting for the rest of the money when officially started over ten year period in settlements. We work together with our communities to get things done properly. Progress is growing.
Jel -- that's why I'm sayin let's go -- no different then anyone else -- the pipeline must be built and sooner the better -- work togedder it's bedder

[Bugle M In]

I've said this in another thread in regards to this whole pipeline issue.
I support it, and to be honest, it already exists, they are just adding a 2nd line.
But, the one thing I wish that was mandated in this whole issue, is that they have to build
a refinery right here in BC.
I don't agree with shipping "raw material" , our resources, to someone else, without it being processed here first.
On top of that, I am sick of being held ransom every time a refinery shuts down somewhere.
We need on here, and start being self sufficient....and then we have more jobs as well...good paying jobs.
And hopefully...cheaper gas.
Total BS every week at the pumps, and then to boot, we have a crappy "rapid transit" system anyways.
Not like Europe by a long shot!

[Downtown]

Seems like the perfect Storm is brewing.
Three Socialists, Two Premiers and one Prime Minister (Horgan-Notley-Trudeau) on each others Throat. Whom would have thunkit.
Our BC Guy of course wants to have the Courts sort it out for him so he can claim "I did all what I could - its the Courts fault". Unfortunately or Fortunately before the Courts render a Decision we may be at $ 3.** per Liter Gas.

The substitute History Teacher in Ottawa better come up with workable solutions fast, Selfies wont do it this time.


We may see Riots at the Pumps before it gets better, therefore stock up now with whatever you think you need !

Cheers

[Boner]

We may see Riots at the Pumps before it gets better, therefore stock up now with whatever you think you need !
Cheers

Doubt riots at the pumps, but I’m set. 2 55 gallon drums and a hand pump. :)

[Carrollizer]

looks like I'll have to drive to Bellingham to stock up.
Anyone know if you need to claim 100+ litres of fuel for the border jerks?

[Numenor604]

The pipeline is happening boys. Don't sweat it.

[VLD43]

Gas prices on the lower mainland, will have many heading south, to file up on less expensive American product. I think earlier, some one mentioned that there are three refineries, two in Washington State, and one up here, that are down for Maintenance, until the end of April. So the fuel shortage will probably hit places like Bellingham to eventually. I can just see the angry residents across the line, pissed at us for buying all their fuel. But on a more serious note, it is more than tragic and disappointing to see the Federal Government response to this situation. Funny thing is, I keep hearing Stephen Harpers mantra in my mind lately. "Trudeau - He's just not ready". Know what I mean.

[S.W.A.T.]

I've said this in another thread in regards to this whole pipeline issue.
I support it, and to be honest, it already exists, they are just adding a 2nd line.
But, the one thing I wish that was mandated in this whole issue, is that they have to build
a refinery right here in BC.
I don't agree with shipping "raw material" , our resources, to someone else, without it being processed here first.
On top of that, I am sick of being held ransom every time a refinery shuts down somewhere.
We need on here, and start being self sufficient....and then we have more jobs as well...good paying jobs.
And hopefully...cheaper gas.
Total BS every week at the pumps, and then to boot, we have a crappy "rapid transit" system anyways.
Not like Europe by a long shot!

Agreed.

We should be refining our own products and then yes send the excess over seas. The problem is the political red tape around environment laws. However we should be showing the world that it can be refined to the best environmental standards

[Fisher-Dude]

Who's gonna pay to build and operate a refinery that doesn't make any money?

[VLD43]

Who's gonna pay to build and operate a refinery that doesn't make any money?

I think your avatar answers that question.

[Petros65]

Cool -- so now we know its got nothing to do with liberals its got to do with the eco warriors that get their nuts in a knot. I'm a liberal, I support pipelines, lower gas prices, more oil, more industry, unions --- as well as more freedom in hunting.


Well aware both are NDP

It is the public that complain about the pipeline but want the benefit of oil are the ones that need to experience the price hike

[M.Dean]

When gas prices hit around 25 to 30 bucks a liter I'll think about hiring someone to push me around in my wheel barrow instead of taking my Quad out hunting! Jeez, I've got 2 Sons and a Grandson working on the Oil Sands Project right now, maybe they could show us how to squeeze high octane gas out of good olde B.C. Mud??? Hey, maybe this half jerked off idiot you guys call our Premier could cut back the gas taxes until this war is over??? This way the guys that do burn a fair amount of fuel going back and forth to work could still afford to put God Damn food on the table to feed the wife and kid's??? And a message to all who feel like me about this crap, "Don't" take it out on the kid's working at the gas stations, there paying the same as you and I for gas, and making a hell of a lot less in wages!!! And well I'm at it, I think everyone of these Pipe Line Protester's should be checked by the RCMP to see if they own any Firearms! And if so they should be confiscated! It's obvious they have mental issues and can't see the forest cuz there's too many tree's in there way, and pose a threat to them selves and any other non NDP'ers!!! And lastly Horgann, drop the "Road Tax" on fuel well you play your bloody games, Let us Eat Again!!!

[Danny_29]

If Alberta actually turns off the tap, would this be the biggest trade dispute between provinces? I can't recall anything in modern times that would top it.

[Jelvis]

We need Justeen to step in pritty qwick and get this line built. He could stop this, he's the only one that cood end this now!
Jel - Justin we neeed you out west for an hour --

[Buck]

I'm predicting extreme physical violence at these protests wonder if Sunny ways has the resolve ?

[hparrott]

The pipeline will get built. There may be a short period of time when Alberta flexes and gas prices go through the roof, but if that's the case I'll spend my $ on a new pair of hikers this hunting season. Inflated fuel costs wont prevent me from hunting

[longwalk]

When gas prices hit around 25 to 30 bucks a liter I'll think about hiring someone to push me around in my wheel barrow instead of taking my Quad out hunting! Jeez, I've got 2 Sons and a Grandson working on the Oil Sands Project right now, maybe they could show us how to squeeze high octane gas out of good olde B.C. Mud??? Hey, maybe this half jerked off idiot you guys call our Premier could cut back the gas taxes until this war is over??? This way the guys that do burn a fair amount of fuel going back and forth to work could still afford to put God Damn food on the table to feed the wife and kid's??? And a message to all who feel like me about this crap, "Don't" take it out on the kid's working at the gas stations, there paying the same as you and I for gas, and making a hell of a lot less in wages!!! And well I'm at it, I think everyone of these Pipe Line Protester's should be checked by the RCMP to see if they own any Firearms! And if so they should be confiscated! It's obvious they have mental issues and can't see the forest cuz there's too many tree's in there way, and pose a threat to them selves and any other non NDP'ers!!! And lastly Horgann, drop the "Road Tax" on fuel well you play your bloody games, Let us Eat Again!!!

M.Dean, if you are ever puttering around on your quad and come across my hunting camp you are welcome to dinner and a couple of cold beer. I like your common sense. A quality that is so rare now that it is bordering on super power status.

[Ride Red]

Thanks to all the "STUPID" people who voted for the NDP. Idiots voting for re-- tards.

[scoutlt1]

Time to open up the BC coast for oil exploration.

And drill for it far enough away from land for any FN land claims to be applicable.

Oh ya....get rid of the dumbasses that are "in power" now first....

[Ratso]

I s’pose I’ll get me a bus pass to go hunting....will have to check with BC transit if I need a second pass for the deer

[Ride Red]

I s’pose I’ll get me a bus pass to go hunting....will have to check with BC transit if I need a second pass for the deer

You’ll need a bus route map to see what FSR they travel

[albravo2]

I absolutely hope Alberta follows through on this threat. If Vancouverites don’t want pipelines to be built they can quit Using the products currently being shipped as well.

I like this and would support it even if I didn't have a Tidy tank and US gas a short drive away.

I think a few NDP voters should get a sense of what it costs to support those tax-and-spend socialists too.

[Boner]

I s’pose I’ll get me a bus pass to go hunting....will have to check with BC transit if I need a second pass for the deer

They might have a loosely regulated no gun bylaw. Wouldn’t surprise me. Might be a great time to find an old guitar case.

And pretty sure deer ride free, as long as he’s leashed, and doesn’t shit all over the bus. But it’s ultimately up to the bus driver.

[Jelvis]

I've never herd of 3 dollars is dat a gal loooon? 3 dollars a galll loonie
Jel -- must be hard on the wallet - impossible to live now a daze unless yah tithe

[KBC]

I read the whole article and it didn't mention anything about bear hunting.

[XPEIer]

Let BC stop all Alberta beef from crossing the border,,,,,, I suspect the cattle industry in Alberta has a bit of clout. As far as people quit using the product,,,, that is the point.... the product does not provide anything to residents of BC other than a year of jobs which will more than likely be AB workers anyways now.

XPEIER

[limit time]

-- Wrong my band members have agreed (already got money) from Kinder More Gun so not correct limit -- our tribe ok'd it already waiting for the rest of the money when officially started over ten year period in settlements. We work together with our communities to get things done properly. Progress is growing.
Jel -- that's why I'm sayin let's go -- no different then anyone else -- the pipeline must be built and sooner the better -- work togedder it's bedder
I seen your “blood” front news marching against it ?

[Jelvis]

Yah I seen dat down by the coast day want some attention I guess, I want the ca$h myself.
-- I got a thousand already yet I spent it real qweek.
Lots a hands out when yah get a cheque.
Jel -- we already signed sealed and they delivered so far -- just waiting for the rest of you to get on it -- get down on it -- bing bang walla walla ching ching

[tigrr]

I walk out to shoot it and bring the atv to carry it home. I can afford that.

[limit time]

Yah I seen dat down by the coast day want some attention I guess, I want the ca$h myself.
-- I got a thousand already yet I spent it real qweek.
Lots a hands out when yah get a cheque.
Jel -- we already signed sealed and they delivered so far -- just waiting for the rest of you to get on it -- get down on it -- bing bang walla walla ching ching

Why don’t the FN who approve of it, protest for it ?

[Jelvis]

-- Indians like to give another band it's space and privacy. Bands have definite borders and natural barriers. Snug up to each cood be on each side except the coast wood be three sides.
- Indians have territory, some vast areas under their watch, from the top of BC, to the bottom, from left, to right, the whole anch chah lada.
Indians show respect for nay bore ing bands and mind their own business. Only join in when invited to. Each band has it's own unique quality to guide them along.
-- Has a Chief and counsel to talk things over. The Feds talk with the Bands continually --
Jel -- just like you when you vote for something? -- you vote the way you want -- it's your personal thing -- it's private

[limit time]

-- Indians like to give another band it's space and privacy. Bands have definite borders and natural barriers. Snug up to each cood be on each side except the coast wood be three sides.
- Indians have territory, some vast areas under their watch, from the top of BC, to the bottom, from left, to right, the whole anch chah lada.
Indians show respect for nay bore ing bands and mind their own business. Only join in when invited to. Each band has it's own unique quality to guide them along.
-- Has a Chief and counsel to talk things over. The Feds talk with the Bands continually --
Jel -- just like you when you vote for something? -- you vote the way you want -- it's your personal thing -- it's private

I have to disagree , what code says you have to stick with other natives ? Your your own people or person no ? Intersectionality is not the way to go (IMO) why be forced under the heel of a boot you don’t want to be under ?
In the old days you would of killed each other for you beliefs .

[Jelvis]

Hey limit you can disagree, Indians have roots, from an area, say Kamloops. Kamloops has a band, a strong, educated, healthy band.
-- I am my own person, yet my mom and dad were two different ones making my dna. My mom was from Looey Creek - Shuswap my dad German 100% --
Born in Saskatchewan.
the only one forcing the Indians is the government basically, the Feds rule
- in the old daze band members from tribes next door fought at times and made leeee ove at times and had kids.
Jella Peeeno -- there are still Indians all around Kamloops. The band is stronger than ever -- Commercially successful, members strong, lots of hunters

[338win mag]

Why don’t the FN who approve of it, protest for it ?
Money and attention, first the attention, then the money.

[Fisher-Dude]

I think I just found the biggest lie ever told.


March 12, 2018 4:33 pm Updated: March 13, 2018 12:11 am

B.C. government won’t delay carbon tax hikes in face of sky-high gas prices

By Richard Zussman

The B.C. government is not considering delaying an increase in the carbon tax by $5 a tonne on April 1, 2018.

The tax is set to move to $35 a tonne at the beginning of April and will increase prices at the gas pumps, as well as for the province’s businesses.

“It’s what business in British Columbia wants and that is what we are giving them,” said Heyman.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4078426/bc-gas-prices-carbon-tax/

[RadHimself]

You people realize ALOT of the fuel in the interior and the coast is bought in the states and shipped over by truck....

Shorter shipping distances... and cost

ever noticed all the truck and train transports of fuel to the depots on the coast from the east go straight to the boats? Thats why


Noticed how the news brodcasting companies in canada got major funding once Trudeau got into power?

Your argueing over fiction

keeps you busy while they upsize the shaft for the next round

[srupp]

Hmm fuel expected to be $1.60 /liter or more in lower mainland. .probably close up here..INSANE"..BY April 1..and that's no joke.. $140 to fill the diesel truck!..carbon tax shyte theft..sorry for folks that sit in traffic for 2 hours in morning.
And another 2 hours each evening.. $1000 fuel bill every month just to get to work.
Let's dump these asshats" including Judy turdoo"
Simply depressing

[srupp]

Sorry jello..bands fought each other..stole the other bands food, women....etc..talked to some who were just children when these things happened.
Bands in BC are fighting for what they feel is their traditional lands..with ajacent" bands..while trade happened for survival..so did wars and disputes..land disputes still happening today..
Steven