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Timbow
02-21-2018, 02:31 PM
https://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/study-says-snowshoe-hares-are-no-longer-turning-white-in-the-winter-due-to-climate-change-study-canadian-journal-of-zoology/96065/

😁

I saw this and immediately thought of the anti’s getting behind this....but with NDPgreen at the helm, you never know.

snipersights
02-21-2018, 03:26 PM
Oh Christ come on.

BRvalley
02-21-2018, 03:43 PM
first it was grouse tags, now we'll have hares on LEH...

325
02-21-2018, 03:44 PM
Total bullsh!t. Winters are white and cold in Canada just like always

tomcat
02-21-2018, 03:55 PM
Absolute large load of crap.

S.W.A.T.
02-21-2018, 04:07 PM
Seen more snowshoes the last two years then ever before

russm86
02-21-2018, 04:11 PM
Where did they do this study? I have yet to see a brown rabbit in winter... Every single one I've seen this winter has been pure white... I don't see this affecting hunters much anyways, we have colour vision and keen eyesight, would probably give natural predators more of an advantage though, especially ones that see in black/white as it would be a huge contrast but even then, if its near trees it might just blend in with the dark spots. There's also no where near any kind of shortage on these guys either...

325
02-21-2018, 04:23 PM
Seen more snowshoes the last two years then ever before

Yes, hares are currently populous. Of course their populations follow well-defined bust and boom cycles.

browningboy
02-21-2018, 09:18 PM
lol, just hilarious what this country is coming to... problem is popularity wins

Wild one
02-22-2018, 08:29 AM
BS is really thick theses days wow

Iron Glove
02-22-2018, 11:04 AM
As the old saying goes "Hare today, gone tomorrow." 8)

Salty
02-22-2018, 12:28 PM
"We trapped three hares in January that were almost completely brown, and it's the first time that has been recorded in eastern North America," lead researcher Laura Gigliotti told ScienceDaily.com in 2017. “There are hare populations in the Cascades in Washington that don't moult completely, but that had not been documented elsewhere.”

Three hares?! OMG. Well there's a lot of smart people in eastern North America surely someone will pull a rabbit out the hat on this one.

limit time
02-22-2018, 02:18 PM
Seen more snowshoes the last two years then ever before
Same.... my son asked why we didn’t shoot any ? This year we will !

jassmine
02-23-2018, 03:09 PM
Nobody is saying anything about reductions in populations (despite the fake title of this thread).
The paper examines the lack of adaptation of pelage colour changes, as the onset of winter is less consistent due to climate change.
It goes on to address other adaptations found in populations in areas that have experienced changes in seasonal phenology.

Gigliotti, L. C., Diefenbach, D. R., & Sheriff, M. J. (2017). Geographic variation in winter adaptations of snowshoe hares (Lepus americanus). Canadian Journal of Zoology, 95(8), 539-545.

Piperdown
02-23-2018, 03:17 PM
Let me guess a little cut and paste involved in the last reply :)

325
02-23-2018, 03:24 PM
Nobody is saying anything about reductions in populations (despite the fake title of this thread).
The paper examines the lack of adaptation of pelage colour changes, as the onset of winter is less consistent due to climate change.
It goes on to address other adaptations found in populations in areas that have experienced changes in seasonal phenology.

Gigliotti, L. C., Diefenbach, D. R., & Sheriff, M. J. (2017). Geographic variation in winter adaptations of snowshoe hares (Lepus americanus). Canadian Journal of Zoology, 95(8), 539-545.

I grew up in Northern Alberta. We had and have a healthy snowshoe hare population. Winter snows would start anywhere from October to December. That was 35 years ago. How much more inconsistent is it now?

rimfire
02-23-2018, 04:32 PM
I grew up in Northern Alberta. We had and have a healthy snowshoe hare population. Winter snows would start anywhere from October to December. That was 35 years ago. How much more inconsistent is it now?

I was going say the same thing. The colour change has to do with light, yes, but snow still happened late some years and early other years. What happened then?

Piperdown
02-23-2018, 08:12 PM
I was going say the same thing. The colour change has to do with light, yes, but snow still happened late some years and early other years. What happened then?

Well our Jazzy wasn't wasn't born then so one will never know....

Opinionated Ol Phart
02-23-2018, 09:19 PM
GROAN !!!!:rolleyes:

4blade
02-25-2018, 12:59 PM
hunters are a species at risk

Danny_29
02-25-2018, 01:28 PM
I can't believe the opinion in this site. People saying well it was like this when I was growing up, and so on and so forth. Climate change is real...take a second and soak that in. If their camouflage that keeps them alive doesn't do that it's a big deal. It's the "cheeseburger" of the ecosystem, the smaller the population becomes the larger effect it will have on the whole ecosystem. Brave yourself...that includes the ungulates that we hunt. "I've seen more in the last two years" is a stupid comment this is about the years going forward...the later the winters become the smaller the population is going to get. What am I missing? This is important.

limit time
02-25-2018, 01:58 PM
I can't believe the opinion in this site. People saying well it was like this when I was growing up, and so on and so forth. Climate change is real...take a second and soak that in. If their camouflage that keeps them alive doesn't do that it's a big deal. It's the "cheeseburger" of the ecosystem, the smaller the population becomes the larger effect it will have on the whole ecosystem. Brave yourself...that includes the ungulates that we hunt. "I've seen more in the last two years" is a stupid comment this is about the years going forward...the later the winters become the smaller the population is going to get. What am I missing? This is important.
imo, it’s the cycle of the world. Funny how people think what we have now, is what the norm is and should be till the end of time .

Spy
02-25-2018, 02:49 PM
I can't believe the opinion in this site. People saying well it was like this when I was growing up, and so on and so forth. Climate change is real...take a second and soak that in. If their camouflage that keeps them alive doesn't do that it's a big deal. It's the "cheeseburger" of the ecosystem, the smaller the population becomes the larger effect it will have on the whole ecosystem. Brave yourself...that includes the ungulates that we hunt. "I've seen more in the last two years" is a stupid comment this is about the years going forward...the later the winters become the smaller the population is going to get. What am I missing? This is important.
I will just leave this here for you ;-)
Delingpole: NOAA Caught Adjusting Big Freeze out of Existence
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http://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/02/cold-weather-640x480.pngAP/Charles Rex Arbogast (http://www.apimages.com/metadata/Index/Winter-Weather-Chicago/54301d55ab8442398838d54897df47b7/32/0)

by JAMES DELINGPOLE (http://www.breitbart.com/author/james-delingpole/)20 Feb 20185,314 (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/20/delingpole-noaa-caught-adjusting-big-freeze-out-of-existence/#disqus_thread)
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has yet again (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/23/delingpole-all-of-recent-u-s-warming-has-been-faked-by-noaa/)been caught exaggerating ‘global warming’ by fiddling with the raw temperature data.This time, that data concerns the recent record-breaking cold across the northeastern U.S. which NOAA is trying to erase from history.
If you believe NOAA’s charts, there was nothing particularly unusual about this winter’s cold weather which caused sharks to freeze in the ocean and iguanas to drop out of trees. (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/04/delingpole-the-frozen-u-s-is-paying-a-terrible-price-for-green-lies/)


Here is NOAA’s January 2018 chart for Northeast U.S. – an area which includes New England along with NY, PA, NJ, DE and MD.
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/02/canvas_thumb.png (http://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/02/canvas_thumb.png)
You’d never guess from it that those regions had just experienced record-breaking cold, would you?
That’s because, as Paul Homewood (https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/01/25/new-yorks-temperature-record-massively-altered-by-noaa/) has discovered, NOAA has been cooking the books. Yet again – presumably for reasons more to do with ideology than meteorology – NOAA has adjusted past temperatures to look colder than they were and recent temperatures to look warmer than they were.


We’re not talking fractions of a degree, here. The adjustments amount to a whopping 3.1 degrees F. This takes us well beyond the regions of error margins or innocent mistakes and deep into the realm of fiction and political propaganda.
Homewood first smelt a rat when he examined the New York data sets. (https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/01/25/new-yorks-temperature-record-massively-altered-by-noaa/)
He was particularly puzzled at NOAA’s treatment of the especially cold winter that ravaged New York in 2013/14, which he describes here:

The cold weather (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_2014_North_American_cold_wave) really began on Jan 2nd, when an Arctic front descended across much of the country, and extended well into March.
The NWS wrote at the end of the winter:
The winter of 2013-14 finished as one of the coldest winters in recent memory for New York State. Snowfall across Western and North Central New York was above normal for many areas, and in some locations well above normal. This winter comes on the heels of two previous mild winters, making the cold and snow this winter feel that much harsher.
Temperatures this winter finished below normal every month, and the January through March timeframe finished at least 4 degrees below normal for the two primary climate stations of Western New York (Buffalo and Rochester)…..
Relentless cold continued through the month of January across the region.
So why, he wondered, did NOAA have this marked down as only the 30th coldest winter (since 1895) on its New York State charts, with a mean temperature of 16.9F?
Homewood compared the local records for January 1943 and January 2014 – months which, according to NOAA’s charts, had very similar average temperatures.


What he found was that NOAA’s charts were deeply inaccurate. The 2014 local temperatures had been adjusted upwards by NOAA and the 1943 local temperatures downwards.
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/02/Screen-Shot-2018-02-20-at-12.58.10.png (http://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/02/Screen-Shot-2018-02-20-at-12.58.10.png)
He concludes:

On average the mean temperatures in Jan 2014 were 2.7F less than in 1943. Yet, according to NOAA, the difference was only 0.9F.
Somehow, NOAA has adjusted past temperatures down, relatively, by 1.8F.
Now, Homewood has given the same treatment (https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/02/16/us-big-freeze-is-adjusted-out-of-existence-by-noaa/#more-32339) to the most recent Big Freeze – the winter of 2017/2018.
Yet again, he has found that NOAA’s arbitrary adjustments tell a lie. They claim that January 2018 was warmer in the New York region than January 1943, when the raw data from local stations tells us this just isn’t true.

So at the three sites of Ithaca, Auburn and Geneva, we find that January 2018 was colder than January 1943 by 1.0, 1.7 and 1.3F respectively.
Yet NOAA say that the division was 2.1F warmer last month. NOAA’s figure makes last month at least 3.1F warmer in comparison with 1943 than the actual station data warrants.
He concludes:

Clearly NOAA’s highly homogenised and adjusted version of the Central Lakes temperature record bears no resemblance at all the the actual station data.
And if this one division is so badly in error, what confidence can there be that the rest of the US is any better?
Well indeed. The key point here is that while NOAA frequently makes these adjustments to the raw data, it has never offered a convincing explanation as to why they are necessary. Nor yet, how exactly their adjusted data provides a more accurate version of the truth than the original data.
One excuse NOAA’s apologists make is that weather stations are subject to changing environmental conditions. For example, when the station sited at Syracuse in 1929 was located at what was originally just a sparse aerodrome. Since then, however, as Homewood notes (https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/01/25/new-yorks-temperature-record-massively-altered-by-noaa/), it has grown into a large international airport with two runways servicing two million passengers a year. Its weather station readings therefore will certainly have been corrupted by the Urban Heat Island effect: that is, its temperature readings will have been artificially elevated by the warmth from the surrounding development and aircraft engines.


So you’d think, wouldn’t you, that to compensate for this NOAA would adjust the recent temperatures downwards. Instead, for no obvious reasons, it has adjusted them upwards.
This is a scandal. NOAA’s climate gatekeepers are political activists not honest scientists and the U.S. taxpayer has no business funding their propaganda.
Drain the swamp!