Do you Know Why Trappers ( and hunters) Are Being Kept Secret MORE AND MORE?

[proguide66]

Here's a question to ask yourselves. Now that we have social media, WHY are the people who are 'supposed to be' representing us cowering? Trying to 'hide' activities and facts from the public eye?
I'll tell you why. Because they are WEAK and SCARED. #1 and #2 reasons, swap either or for 1 or 2 position, doesn't matter. The anti's voice 'too loud' for you? Too intimidating for you? Makes you hide??? Well, guess WTF that has done for us all, made US WEAK TOO - GOOD WORK. ( that means you are a cancer in case you missed it).

Some f@cktard down the road screams to the neighborhood you are a douchebag and you run and hide, the neighborhood is easily convinced you ARE A DOUCHEBAG.
How do you fix it? You STAND UP AND FIGHT BACK. You make your voice LOUD AND CLEAR. If you stand 100% behind every one of your/our outdoors activities, you FIGHT and hold your chest out - PERIOD - at ALL COSTS. If you cant do that? STEP THE F@CK DOWN.
The sooner the public hunting and trapping community removes the WEAK, SCARED representatives, the sooner we are ALL ACCEPTED again.
There is not ONE reason sufficient for why we 'have to' hide ANYTHING. NOT ONE. Someone in the position to represent attempts to give you a reason why? YOU PUNT THEM.

THIS is what REAL representatives do, read it and FOLLOW IT.

1. LEAD with pride.
2. Fight BACK.
3. Use social media to deliver creative content to support ALL hunting and trapping.
'Think' thats not possible?? STEP DOWN NOW and get replaced with some MF'r who is GOING TO FIGHT BACK AND REPRESENT.

EVERY single time a person who is supposed to represent us cowers, we go backwards by years. Every single time. Why do antis get away with what they do? Their voice is louder than the voices who are in the position to represent us. PERIOD.

Antis make our current representatives SCARED. You certain individuals who are scared make me feel disgusted, you are a complete embarrassment to us all- period.

You all should use my example online from the last few weeks. I BLATANTLY represented predator control 100% in the worlds fACE.
Guess what HAPPENED??
1. People got motivated and moved.
2. People generated funds.
3. People fought back.
ALL under the public's eye.

I'm certain numerous pussies on here are grumbling behind the key board RIGHT NOW running me down as well what I did. I KNOW you are here. And guess what? I'm calling you out and calling you a coward assed pussy('s) who should have their 'outdoors person card' revoked for life.

Here's a tid bit more to BACK UP my words.

I placed a blatant page on social media to spread the word about over predation and conservation acts to deal with it. Some idiot made a web site blast with my pics on it 10 times. That's YOUR worst case scenario for your pussy existence, isnt it PUSSY?

Guess what happened from THAT web site blast??? NOTHING !!!! NOT ONE THING. OH NO, 14 antis sent me rude messages. OH SHIT, RUUUUNNNNNN. ( not to-effingday).

I'm down to maybe 1 attack a day now, took less than a week. GUESS HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD ATTACK ME? The world.
Took ONE week to die down. Meanwhile you PUSSIES have been hiding for years.


And you all cant do that yourselves huh? Would rather skulk in the shadows while claiming to be some rep or board member and ALLOW us to become WEAK.

Time to clean house everyone. There is NO REASON to hide SHIT from the world, I PROVED IT.

Don't be scared to call spades spades people. Seriously, what are you going to lose??? Tell me ONE thing? If you cant clean up the sad state some of these groups are in - START ANOTHER AND TAKE AWAY THE POWER. ( oh wait, thats kinda happening, isn't it!!)

[IslandWanderer]

Oh snap! Call the burn unit...

[Wild one]

Agree hiding has gotten hunters/trappers nowhere

[tuner]

Awesome post PG, you’re 100% correct, cowering only emboldens the social media hordes.
I say shit around folks that I know makes them cringe (in regards to hunting) and yet not a single one of them has said a critical thing to my face, I imagine,although I can’t be certain, that their perception of me in private is not overly positive,and that’s fine by me, I’m not going to hide who and what I am.
Anyone and everyone with an unconventional sexual proclivity is encouraged to embrace it and to show their pride,
hunters are no different. :razz:

[HarryToolips]

Well said, and totally agree......I voice my opinion to all th ignorant bleeding hearts, nd face to face too...have had some heated discussions about it with some....would love to get into trapping one day and really make a dent..

[Drillbit]

Who's the VI trapper guy that needs to be outed for not supporting legal trapping?

From you other post, that'd be a place to start.

[Bear Chaser]

Well said proguide.

[Asco]

Great post. Time to man up, folks

[SpottedPony]

Way to go Steve!

[ELKAHOLICS]

THANK YOU PRO GUIDE .SPOT ON. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ANGRY BY THE TIME I LEAVE THIS SITE. LIES AND STRAIT UP BULL SHIT .The true conservationists Hunters Trappers that Are Not Ignorant about the status of our wildlife BETTER wake the fk up and join the movement NOW.If you guys agree get off your hands and voice your support Now .We all hear hunters bitching about selling licences and no more game .TIME TO MEE TOO KIDS MAKE A DIFFERENCE TOGETHER.NOW WOULD BE GOOD DONT YA THINK. SEE YA AT THE MEETINGS

[brownmancheng]

Be ANTI-anti hunting. beat them at their own game.

[Mosin]

Don't know where u live but in my neck of the woods if you advertise you have guns you stand to get your house broken into. All the tough guys here can fluff their chest at my comment but until it happens to you...

[Asp]

Here's a question to ask yourselves. Now that we have social media, WHY are the people who are 'supposed to be' representing us cowering? Trying to 'hide' activities and facts from the public eye?
I'll tell you why. Because they are WEAK and SCARED. #1 and #2 reasons, swap either or for 1 or 2 position, doesn't matter. The anti's voice 'too loud' for you? Too intimidating for you? Makes you hide??? Well, guess WTF that has done for us all, made US WEAK TOO - GOOD WORK. ( that means you are a cancer in case you missed it).

Some f@cktard down the road screams to the neighborhood you are a douchebag and you run and hide, the neighborhood is easily convinced you ARE A DOUCHEBAG.
How do you fix it? You STAND UP AND FIGHT BACK. You make your voice LOUD AND CLEAR. If you stand 100% behind every one of your/our outdoors activities, you FIGHT and hold your chest out - PERIOD - at ALL COSTS. If you cant do that? STEP THE F@CK DOWN.
The sooner the public hunting and trapping community removes the WEAK, SCARED representatives, the sooner we are ALL ACCEPTED again.
There is not ONE reason sufficient for why we 'have to' hide ANYTHING. NOT ONE. Someone in the position to represent attempts to give you a reason why? YOU PUNT THEM.

THIS is what REAL representatives do, read it and FOLLOW IT.

1. LEAD with pride.
2. Fight BACK.
3. Use social media to deliver creative content to support ALL hunting and trapping.
'Think' thats not possible?? STEP DOWN NOW and get replaced with some MF'r who is GOING TO FIGHT BACK AND REPRESENT.

EVERY single time a person who is supposed to represent us cowers, we go backwards by years. Every single time. Why do antis get away with what they do? Their voice is louder than the voices who are in the position to represent us. PERIOD.

Antis make our current representatives SCARED. You certain individuals who are scared make me feel disgusted, you are a complete embarrassment to us all- period.

You all should use my example online from the last few weeks. I BLATANTLY represented predator control 100% in the worlds fACE.
Guess what HAPPENED??
1. People got motivated and moved.
2. People generated funds.
3. People fought back.
ALL under the public's eye.

I'm certain numerous pussies on here are grumbling behind the key board RIGHT NOW running me down as well what I did. I KNOW you are here. And guess what? I'm calling you out and calling you a coward assed pussy('s) who should have their 'outdoors person card' revoked for life.

Here's a tid bit more to BACK UP my words.

I placed a blatant page on social media to spread the word about over predation and conservation acts to deal with it. Some idiot made a web site blast with my pics on it 10 times. That's YOUR worst case scenario for your pussy existence, isnt it PUSSY?

Guess what happened from THAT web site blast??? NOTHING !!!! NOT ONE THING. OH NO, 14 antis sent me rude messages. OH SHIT, RUUUUNNNNNN. ( not to-effingday).

I'm down to maybe 1 attack a day now, took less than a week. GUESS HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD ATTACK ME? The world.
Took ONE week to die down. Meanwhile you PUSSIES have been hiding for years.


And you all cant do that yourselves huh? Would rather skulk in the shadows while claiming to be some rep or board member and ALLOW us to become WEAK.

Time to clean house everyone. There is NO REASON to hide SHIT from the world, I PROVED IT.

Don't be scared to call spades spades people. Seriously, what are you going to lose??? Tell me ONE thing? If you cant clean up the sad state some of these groups are in - START ANOTHER AND TAKE AWAY THE POWER. ( oh wait, thats kinda happening, isn't it!!)


You hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately the old boys club , who have never had the balls to step up and be aggressive are so entrenched in these clubs and organizations that the only way out is to support one of the new initiatives that are currently gaining steam, be that Steve’s program, the wild sheep program or back country hunters and anglers Yesterday’s budget giving 14 million to wildlife over three years and nine million to the co service for 20 officers is a small step in the right direction! Now is the time to build on this small step. Kudos to all those who have the balls to step outside the box and fight for our hunting heritage!

[604redneck]

Don't know where u live but in my neck of the woods if you advertise you have guns you stand to get your house broken into. All the tough guys here can fluff their chest at my comment but until it happens to you...

Where do you live? Sounds like it's time to move

[russm86]

Where do you live? Sounds like it's time to move

Not making excuses for anyone, but this can happen anywhere, have seen it happen even in small towns like Clinton, 100 Mile, and Williams lake the last few years. I know one instance they got like a dozen guns from a rural property and then lead police on a highspeed chase from 100 mile down to Kamloops. However the key is not to hide anything, but get yourself a good (monitored) security system and a good safe/vault for your guns.

[Wild one]

Don't know where u live but in my neck of the woods if you advertise you have guns you stand to get your house broken into. All the tough guys here can fluff their chest at my comment but until it happens to you...

Its a possibility but that just means you have them stored with extra measures

Heard that fear mentioned all over BC. Can it happen Yes is it common no. There is the other portion of criminals that fear breaking into your place because of it

Respect your caution but not an epidemic

[proguide66]

You hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately the old boys club , who have never had the balls to step up and be aggressive are so entrenched in these clubs and organizations that the only way out is to support one of the new initiatives that are currently gaining steam, be that Steve’s program, the wild sheep program or back country hunters and anglers Yesterday’s budget giving 14 million to wildlife over three years and nine million to the co service for 20 officers is a small step in the right direction! Now is the time to build on this small step. Kudos to all those who have the balls to step outside the box and fight for our hunting heritage!

That money is super news and great work. Now here's a heads up. I know 110% a board member on the BHA is an anti wolf trapper, has said "I feel that no one needs to shoot a bear", AND stated our local BCWF chapter was " not really a hunting club, its more a conservation club now"..... And THIS is 100% first hand factual. Why I am NOT a director any longer and have not been for some time. there are MANY 'cancers' out there presently and they need to be CLEANED UP RAPIDLY. My time and energy is stretched to the max, I haven't time to take on anything else. BUT, the last few weeks showing me exactly how many cancers there are present, say using the island as a small example, I actually get a little wide eyed at the thought of just HOW would the big picture be RIGHT NOW if every organisation was cancer free??

HO LEE SHIT........

The amount if people sitting on 'boards' just to be able to 'say they are' is ridiculous.
Ever dealt with a 'strata'? Ever noticed the majority of people who join any 'strata' are mentally challenged more often than not? I have began to wonder sometimes ( solely from what I have witnessed first hand) if this same trait spills onto 'boards' ? There should almost be some sort of lie detection, psychological exam for EVERY board member of any outdoor club these days to ensure they are on the correct page between the ears for the position they have acquired....... fail? nuke button....problem solved.

Moose crash, no grizzly hunt, caribou crash, mule deer crash, less hunting opportunities, Thompsen steelhead.......... makes you wonder WHY T F 'action' only happens when its border line too late - EVERY TIME ??? whats slowing action??? WHO is preventing action??? WHO is too scared??? WHO isn't seeing all this shit coming AGES AGO??? WHO ISN'T GETTING SHIT DONE ???

WHO is happier to be a political presence more than anything while all the above spirals DOWN? Not sure I want to know that answer. The proof is in the current state outside.

[snipersights]

My question would be if someone hears your full of guns why would they break in hahaha? Seems extremely dumb but then again in that line of work I guess intelligence is not a thing. I agree with this post 100% I don’t rub it in anyone’s face and I’m very respectful of people’s opinions (ie I don’t try to force it down people’s throats to like hunting) but I do defend it with pride. I’m proud to hunt, I’m proud that I can survive outdoors, that I don’t need supermarkets and they are only a convenience. I’m proud that I drink from rivers and eat snow instead of tap water. Haven’t bought water in years, other then when I lose a bottle. I think it’s very important to push back and defend hunting and just general outdoor living. People look at me funny When I say like well water why because some idiot has told you that it’s not OK to drink water unless it’s from a bottle. Too many people now days probably couldn’t survive a week without a supermarket and if there ever is a cataclysmic event that takes over the world or a war or anything else that doesn’t allow people to buy their food a great portion of the population will die off immediately. And the only people left will be us hunters then all the anti-hunting groups will be coming to us begging for us to give them food and what would we say oh I thought you were an anti Hunter? It’s an uphill battle because there are so many people that are ignorant and do not know anything about hunting and form their opinions based on what they read on the Internet or see on the news which is extremely biased. I am a young man but an old soul I still insist on wearing a combat knife almost everywhere I go. People say it’s illegal. Shut up. I wear camo with pride all the time I do not hide the fact that I hunt and am proud to show my pictures and successes to other hunters. I do not like to force-feed it to people who aren’t interested but if I am challenged I will definitely stand up for it aggressively. This is our heritage. It is our god given right to hunt.???? How can people try to take that away? Anti-hunters vegans vegetarians and whatever else they want to call them selves people have been hunting since the dawn of man it is the way that some of us like to stay connected to nature and connected to our roots and not be dependent on a broken system. It’s hard for me to understand how people can look negatively upon that as I stated in one post earlier. I think one of the most important things we can do is try not to get the anti-hunting group fired up anymore than they are. It is important that they see us for what we are not what the media makes us out to be. The more species that get put on the banned list for hunting the sooner hunting and trapping itself will be completely banned. Once that happens every person will be forced to shop at the supermarket forced to eat antibiotics all the time and growth hormones from the cows and chickens. I know it’s a stretch but it almost smells like conspiracy to make it so that people have to follow suit. I hate to say it but I think social media is going to be the death of hunting. For this reason I do not post videos on YouTube or anywhere else other than my own personal Facebook page on an album which is labelled hunting and says if you do not like hunting do not view my albums. I have deleted or unfriended quite a few people who are ignorant and left negative comments on my hunting albums. One person a friend of mine asked me if it made me feel like a big man to kill a bear. I said no I actually feel quite humbled to be able to forge my own food and not depend on a supermarket chain To feed me. He went on to tell me how wrong it was blah blah blah so I deleted him and we no longer speak. That is how strongly I believe in our right to hunt and I even try to make it so that people who don’t like hunting don’t see my pictures but for some reason they still insist on looking at the album labelled do not view if you do not like hunting idiots.

[tko]

good idea proguide

[eric]

I really can't believe that trapper from the Island, wowzers.
Stopped supporting BCWF,now that they have become a Conservation group and nothing else.
Doesn't seem to me that we have a group for the hunters of BC, well, except BC Ungulates, and maybe a few shooting clubs.
Thanks Steve and crew for all the effort you guys have put into this.
Well Done..

[Salty]

All Canadian Tire Stores took up selling not just hunting gear but guns within the last couple years. I get about 5 hunting and sporting goods flyers in my junk mail and technically I live in the lower Mainland. Camo is now mainstream clothing. Hunting numbers in BC increase year by year. Several mainstream TV channels have reality shows on at prime time including alligator hunting and several types of trapping and other wilderness lifestyle shows.

Hunters and trappers are hiding all of the sudden? Um, no. Yes there's work to do but the sky isn't falling FFS. Why don't you guys go out and get some fresh air, maybe hunt some coyotes and wolves. It appears cabin fever has taken hold with some. Not jabbing at you PG you're doing something. Just the sky is falling comments from others. ps your local BCWF club needs some hunters to show up by the sounds of it. All good out this way and every other club I've had the pleasure of belonging to.

[skibum]

Cause there is always one ****tard who shows a totally fuccked up killing/gory hunting video or picture

How many cool hunting/trapping pictures & stories are out there - there is a lot. How many fuccked up hunting videos/pictures are out there, very very few. Which one does Global News seek out to play at 6:00?

I can't remember which ones, but some of the Canadian networks refused to play any hunting shows a couple of years ago, even the Canadian Tradition. Outdoors people don't control the mass media.

You can not force people to consume the good stories, but I argue hunting rights anytime I hear some crap in person. I refuse to on social media. The the anit's come across as "compassionate" even though I would say the loud ones have serious mental problems.

[snipersights]

You’re right there are very few videos that are in my opinion “bad press” but that’s all they air. Because it sells. Just like pit bulls hunters are judged by the image we have on mainstream media. This is why I think it’s very important to Try to present the best image we can. The worst part is when ever there is a video of somebody doing something really messed up to an animal it usually has the tag hunting attached to it somewhere or another. I recently watched a video that was tagged somewhere along the lines of hunters torture and mutilate deer with a knife the video showed a group of what looked to be drunk idiots swimming out into a river and grabbing a deer that was swimming in the same river dragging to the shore been taking turns stabbing it to death and laughing. Nowhere in this video did I say anything to indicate that these people were hunters. Unfortunately these are the videos that I believe are hurting us the most. Videos of non hunters doing terrible things to animals or videos that are just too violent for most of the public to see

[IronNoggin]

Who's the VI trapper guy that needs to be outed for not supporting legal trapping?

From your other post, that'd be a place to start.

This is currently being dealt with. Head On.
Do not inundate my pm box regarding this matter, I simply will not answer.
But rest assured, some of us here on the Island are active in this very matter.
And in due (short) course the response will be tabled here for all to see.

Keep up the Good Work Steve.
You have a lot of support on The Rock as you know...

Cheers,
Nog

[TexasWalker]

This is currently being dealt with. Head On.
Do not inundate my pm box regarding this matter, I simply will not answer.
But rest assured, some of us here on the Island are active in this very matter.
And in due (short) course the response will be tabled here for all to see.

Keep up the Good Work Steve.
You have a lot of support on The Rock as you know...

Cheers,
Nog

Why?
Why not post his name for all to see?
Why protect him?

[IronNoggin]

Why?
Why not post his name for all to see?
Why protect him?

There is ZERO "protection" going on here.
There are some private interests on our side that must be considered, and so the matter will be handled somewhat delicately.
For now please accept that there are some looking into, and directly dealing with the matter...

Cheers,
Nog

[steveo]

Why?
Why not post his name for all to see?
Why protect him?I would agree with Iron Noggin's post and add that this person was not elected over the internet nor should this matter be dealt with over the internet and of course their side of the story should be heard as well.

[604Stalker]

Well I choose not to use social media for personal reasons. I let everyone around me know that I hunt to harvest meat ethically and sustainably. I let them know what I see on the ground I tell them how there are wolf and coyote tracks behind every set of deer tracks that preds are simply that and try to remind people that nature is not a disney movie. What happends? People will question your ethics. they will make statements like why would you hunt bears? They talk about how we shouldnt kill wolves without any idea about the history behind our efforts here in BC and why things got so bad its a clear drawn picture that has been stashed in a safe and hidden from the public eye. People need to be informed they need to be taken out to an fsr show them the story on the ground explain what we see. Be prepared to use your words and stand up for your love of nature. Being a hunter fisherman or trapper all bring you closer to the outdoors show people dont just let them sit there in a group and make up an opinion based on mob and media mentality ask them why really explain yourself you would be suprised how people change their tune when you are willing to speak pasionately about it.

[Piperdown]

Good post 604 stalker, i think when one is in the bush, be hunting, scouting or just plain hiking, take the phone/video camera and document what you see, post it up, put it out there so that it just isn't hear say. Show them exactly what is happening out there, instead of all the bs from the anti's social networks from the city folk.

[604Stalker]

And thats my point alot of these people never see whats going on they have strong feelings about protecting what we have they see its beautiful out there and say they care about it but they don't know anything about conservation at its core. You can try and tell them that it was started by hunters but judging from the latest media hunters and concervation dont mix ask people what their ideas are ask them if they understand holding capicity or the differences in numbers of people actively trapping not just the number of hunters. Ask about how they feel about the use of a harvested animal if I take the meat and leave the hide but had a use for it am I paying the best respect to the animal whos life I took? Talk about the fish returns ask people if they know how bad its been. Where Im at people know that the fraser is in trouble but know nothing about the returns elsewhere or just dont seem to care. Put it in peoples heads that we need to talk about it

[Crab Bait]

A big reason "Why" happened right here within the last week, and it's our own damn fault. We are our own worst enemies sometimes, and we are all guilty.

Pro Guides Wolf thread - "Morris , Vancouver Island trapper conversation" had HBC frothing at the mouth, looking to lynch the man.

Ever met him? Know who he is? I do, have for 30+ years, and not 1 in 1000 of "US" has done as he for hunters, fishermen & trappers as he has. His treatment on here has revolted me. Made me ill, along with a bunch of other local hard core hunters, fishers, guides (hunting and fishing) and trappers. Not everyone crows on HBC, shouts on Facebook. Not everyone will spill their guts on one phone call.

We need guys like Morris on our side, and on this site we shit all over him, and he's one of US.

[proguide66]

A big reason "Why" happened right here within the last week, and it's our own damn fault. We are our own worst enemies sometimes, and we are all guilty.

Pro Guides Wolf thread - "Morris , Vancouver Island trapper conversation" had HBC frothing at the mouth, looking to lynch the man.

Ever met him? Know who he is? I do, have for 30+ years, and not 1 in 1000 of "US" has done as he for hunters, fishermen & trappers as he has. His treatment on here has revolted me. Made me ill, along with a bunch of other local hard core hunters, fishers, guides (hunting and fishing) and trappers. Not everyone crows on HBC, shouts on Facebook. Not everyone will spill their guts on one phone call.

We need guys like Morris on our side, and on this site we shit all over him, and he's one of US.
This has ZERO to do with 'feelings' and EVERYTHING to do with people who CAN make a difference but instead DONT and BLOCK people who care enough to make a difference. There is a SERIOUS problem going on in our back yards,
There was NOTHING 'made up' and ZERO attack on anyone.
Someone who CAN make a difference decided NOT TO. And THAT is NO ONES FAULT ON HERE no matter how you try and paint it.
Snivelling about someone's feelings isn't going to do SHIT to fix this problem. This issue has ZERO room for 'feelings' of any kind.
So aside from a rant, move forward and share with us your suggestion to FIX OUR PROBLEM ?? Any input ???
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'll guarantee you, I have ZERO TIME to cuddle anyone, I seriously don't give 1/2 a F@CK about ANYONES 'feelings'. Emotional issues or personal conflicts with each other should NEVER be able to STOP DEAD a solution to a serious problem.
Everyone needs to put their big boy pants on and get shit done. If you PREVENT IT, wear it.

[Islander30]

A big reason "Why" happened right here within the last week, and it's our own damn fault. We are our own worst enemies sometimes, and we are all guilty.

Pro Guides Wolf thread - "Morris , Vancouver Island trapper conversation" had HBC frothing at the mouth, looking to lynch the man.

Ever met him? Know who he is? I do, have for 30+ years, and not 1 in 1000 of "US" has done as he for hunters, fishermen & trappers as he has. His treatment on here has revolted me. Made me ill, along with a bunch of other local hard core hunters, fishers, guides (hunting and fishing) and trappers. Not everyone crows on HBC, shouts on Facebook. Not everyone will spill their guts on one phone call.

We need guys like Morris on our side, and on this site we shit all over him, and he's one of US.

Sounds like this Morris is a great guy. I don't know who he is and don't actually know proguide66 either. I only started to become really passionate about hunting in the last few years. It wasn't till my 10 yr old son took his first deer this year and it turned out to be one the greatest experiences of our lives, that really changed things for me. Then the grizzly ban happened shortly after that and now my eyes have been opened wide and Im really worried that my son and maybe one day my grandson arent going to have hunting at all !!! If people like proguide66 aren't supported and we start helping out the best we can as well, I think there is a chance we will keep losing more and more until there is nothing left except maybe duck hunting and that's only if ducks unlimited manages to save .

Anyway I'm sorry to hear your friend had everone frothing at the mouth and wanting to lynch the man as you stated. I didnt take part in that as I didn't actually understand who it was everyone was mad at. However, proguide66 has giving me hope for the future and I can't understand why anyone who is "one of us" as you stated would even think about critizinng anything that he has done. Everything he has done in my opinion is just fantastic !!! I have nothing but gratitude towards Steve for his efforts !!! He is from what I've seen so far an incredible good hunter( been watching his youtube hunts for years) and has been a selfless warrior when it comes to this wolf intiative he started. Keep up the good work Steve !!! I personally really appreciate what you are doing and thank you for your efforts and all the sacrifices you made to get this started.... my son thanks you too !

[Asp]

Short story is this is exactly why we are getting our asses kicked . I am sure the individual in question has worked his can off for us . With the best of intent and objectives . Everyone makes mistakes or has positions we may disagree with, however, He or she is a VOLUNTEER !!! Up against paid professionals ! We as volunteers are not perfect but we try, this shows why we need an organization to step up ( wild sheep, back country etc) and hire paid trained professionals to fight fire with fire . I don’t know of the individual in question, but who in the hell would volunteer to be publicly crucified for free??? We need a new model quickly if we are to ensure our hunting heritage survives!