PINT NIGHT - BC Backcountry Hunters & Anglers - Trail, BC - February 21

[kootenaihunter]

The BC chapter is working it's way from inception in the East Kootenay across the province. The West Kootenay pint night kicks off with a meet and greet at the Trail Beer Refinery.

Please come out, bring a friend, and have a chat about wild places, public lands and waters and meet some others with similar passions! Meet members of the BC Chapter board.

Memberships will be available as well as some prize raffles for new members!

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6833&stc=1

When: February 21, 2018 - 5:30-7:30 PM

Where: Trail Beer Refinery, 1299 Bay Ave, Trail, BC

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/bc_pint_night_trail

http://https://www.backcountryhunters.org/

https://trailbeerrefinery.ca/

[kootenaihunter]

Happening today! Come out if you can!

[Brez]

See you there, oh and bring money I will be thirsty!

[brownmancheng]

That money is super news and great work. Now here's a heads up. I know 110% a board member on the BHA is an anti wolf trapper, has said "I feel that no one needs to shoot a bear"

do us a favour and ask about this comment from another thread. I think this might be something we need to look into before throwing our support behind this organization

[Brez]

There are several groups that BCBHA is working with to achieve their goals of ensuring that there will be wildlife for us to enjoy, whether it is hunt, view, photogragh, or whatever. There may be "envirementalists". We are, or should all be conservationalists. The guys from the East Kootenays that are driving this are and always have been hard core hunters.
If you cannot support an organization dedicated to the preservation of our wildland and wildlife for all of us (including hunters) to enjoy and use, then what can you support?

[TexasWalker]

There are several groups that BCBHA is working with to achieve their goals of ensuring that there will be wildlife for us to enjoy, whether it is hunt, view, photogragh, or whatever. There may be "envirementalists". We are, or should all be conservationalists. The guys from the East Kootenays that are driving this are and always have been hard core hunters.
If you cannot support an organization dedicated to the preservation of our wildland and wildlife for all of us (including hunters) to enjoy and use, then what can you support?

You're deflecting.

Is there or is there not a board member that is against killing wolves?
I already know the answer so I will do everything I can to stop any hunters from joining or donating money to the BCBHA.

[Greenthumbed]

You're deflecting.

Is there or is there not a board member that is against killing wolves?
I already know the answer so I will do everything I can to stop any hunters from joining or donating money to the BCBHA.
It take many good people to make a great organization. To say that you are going to try and stop hunters from joining BHA because of one man's stance on one issues is nonsense. What else does this one board member believe in? What else does he stand for?
Try to keep an open mind.

[Island Idiots]

Any organization should post Exactly what they will stand for, no ambiguity. Before I go to such an event I want to know if they will support back country access for me and my UTV.
Do they support the North American Conservation Model?
Is this organization some of the same group that put out the Whitetail ads earlier? There are a lot of selfish, ignorant, folks in the kootenays that want to keep others out, and its all about the antlers.
If this organization has a wolf lover on their board, then I don't want any part of it. I am with Texas Walker.
If you want broad support then you have to support a broad range of hunters.
Any board member should have to sign a memorandum supporting a wolf cull, proper wildlife management. If they won't. they aren't worth pigeon shit.

[bushpilot]

Attended last night and had a great time. Heard some great stories and had some laughs. If you have to opportunity to attend one of these pint nights I would highly recommend. Regardless your stance on various the various issues with our wildlife management, recognize that there are issues and get INVOLVED with whichever association aligns with your values. Right now the worst thing we can do as a hunting community is sit back and do nothing.

[kootenaihunter]

Any organization should post Exactly what they will stand for, no ambiguity. Before I go to such an event I want to know if they will support back country access for me and my UTV.
Do they support the North American Conservation Model?
Is this organization some of the same group that put out the Whitetail ads earlier? There are a lot of selfish, ignorant, folks in the kootenays that want to keep others out, and its all about the antlers.
If this organization has a wolf lover on their board, then I don't want any part of it. I am with Texas Walker.
If you want broad support then you have to support a broad range of hunters.
Any board member should have to sign a memorandum supporting a wolf cull, proper wildlife management. If they won't. they aren't worth pigeon shit.

Whitetail ads are from a group in Creston, not BHA.

BHA is in full support fo the North Amercian Conservation Model.

BHA supports managed access and public access to public lands. Does this mean motorized access to every square inch of crown land, probably not, as that is not proper management. it's about balance. It's primarily about protecting the wild lands we have left and striking a balance to get the best wildlife and hunting/angling opportunities.

Whether or not a particular member, board or not, is for or against wolf killing is never discussed, and it is not a board-member driven group, it's not a bunch of members blindly following a fearless leader. They support scienced based management and do not govern on particular personal views or emotional agendas.

But hey, if do or do not want to join, it's up to you, but please keep facts facts and don't spread mis-information about groups you're not informed about.

Plenty of information on the website.

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/

[kootenaihunter]

Thanks to everyone who came out last night, awesome turn out and a bunch of new members signed up! Shout out to the boys from the EK who made the trip outm anbd the Trail Beer Refinery who hosted.

More to come soon to ramp up activity in the WK!

Cheers!

[dapesche]

Any organization should post Exactly what they will stand for, no ambiguity. Before I go to such an event I want to know if they will support back country access for me and my UTV. Do they support the North American Conservation Model? Is this organization some of the same group that put out the Whitetail ads earlier? There are a lot of selfish, ignorant, folks in the kootenays that want to keep others out, and its all about the antlers. If this organization has a wolf lover on their board, then I don't want any part of it. I am with Texas Walker. If you want broad support then you have to support a broad range of hunters.
Any board member should have to sign a memorandum supporting a wolf cull, proper wildlife management. If they won't. they aren't worth pigeon shit.

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[J_T]

Well Texaswalker and Island Idiot, I guess the right thing to do is to sit back and pass judgement without knowing. Isn't that what we always accuse the Anti's of doing? You don't know. You simply don't. Every organization is made up of people, and just like this site here, while not everyone is entitled to their opinion, everyone has their own unique perspective. Until you get involved and participate in the discussion you simply don't know. Your statements are simply unintelligent blather that really don't contribute. If anything they are mis directed and negatively impact the positive direction that so many are working towards.

If you have mis information and you feel strongly in your judgement, don't join up. That's your choice. Others will do the work for wildlife if you aren't there. Obviously that's happening now. Your not there, and work is being done.

1) I know of at least one member (not a director) that would prefer no grizzly hunting and has reservations about a wolf cull. It doesn't change who the organization is. At least his perspective and opinions are respected.
2) Yes, the organization supports sound science-supported wildlife management based on the North American Conservation model.
3) No, the BC BHA has nothing to do with the 'nomorewhitetaildoes.com" group. Nothing.
4) If you think the people of the Kootenay are selfish, try shopping for Groceries in Richmond. What kind of a statement is that? Simply a stupid one that reflects your nic name I guess.
5)I'm a wolf lover. I think their a beautiful animal and they do have a place in our wild places. Doesn't mean I don't shoot them, or support a cull.

And frankly, while I'm not a board member, I'm worth a substantial amount more than pigeon shit. I'm offended by the ridiculous comment. These are people who give tirelessly of their time. Walking the land, attending meetings, working on habitat projects.

The BC BHA is very active in participating in the process of defining a new wildlife management and governance model. If you don't know the quality of the people involved in this relatively new organization, you are the ones on the outside and have very little idea about what is really going on right now, in BC, with respect to wildlife and habitat.

[Island Idiots]

Kootenai hunter and JT,

Sorry if my post offended you. Wasn't meant to, just expressing myself. I have always been looking for an organization that represents hunters, based in science and following a proper conservation model. No exceptions, no emotions, no crap, " I don't want to shoot Grizzly Bears" is an emotional statement. If the science call for a harvest, then a harvest is what is needed. There is no room for emotion.

Thanks for clarifying for me about your organization. It's not for me.

[kootenaihunter]

Soemthing to keep in mind is that we should be all wokring towards the same goals:

Better Wildlife Habitat - land healthly for animals is healthy for us
Thriving Wildlife Populations
Ample hiunting and fishing opportunities

Any group that is working towards these goals in whatever capacity they can is a good thing and it's only additive to the solution. If you think it's a wolf problem, but all means, kill as many wolves as you can, but it doesn't mean that others supporting other projects are wrong. There is no silver bullet to this problem and it will take many hands to turn things around. Remember, active hunters only represent approxaimtely 2% of the population in BC, 2%!!! The more hands we can get to work towards solutions, the better!

[kootenaihunter]

Sorry if my post offended you. Wasn't meant to, just expressing myself.

Sometimes it's how the question is asked, not the question itself. Asking out of genuine curiosity goes a long way over forming an opinion and asking a loaded question.

[Ryo]

Soemthing to keep in mind is that we should be all wokring towards the same goals:

Better Wildlife Habitat - land healthly for animals is healthy for us
Thriving Wildlife Populations
Ample hiunting and fishing opportunities

Any group that is working towards these goals in whatever capacity they can is a good thing and it's only additive to the solution. If you think it's a wolf problem, but all means, kill as many wolves as you can, but it doesn't mean that others supporting other projects are wrong. There is no silver bullet to this problem and it will take many hands to turn things around. Remember, active hunters only represent approxaimtely 2% of the population in BC, 2%!!! The more hands we can get to work towards solutions, the better!

Thank you for the voice of reason.

The idea that any member or board-member that disagrees with your opinion must be lynched, or that the organization is no longer valid, is bogus. In the real world, this mentality is known as fascism.

And I should be quick to add, I'm not singling you out Island Idiot -you're free to join any group that aligns with your beliefs the best, however the BHA, the BCWF, and individual members of this forum and the public are being dragged through the dirt in other threads, using a lot the same rhetoric.

[brownmancheng]

You guys are overstepping here. I think the question if a board member (you know the people that steer the organization) is pro wolf/bear/pred hunting is a very valid one. comparing it to facism? what a reach.

I'm not deriding the organization or the conservation efforts it does. But the leaders/board members are the figure heads and it's not a leap to suggest their values align with an organization.

If you have a person in a position of power in a organization publicly share those beliefs it can paint every member with that brush and carry a lot of weight with general public.

[Ryo]

You guys are overstepping here. I think the question if a board member (you know the people that steer the organization) is pro wolf/bear/pred hunting is a very valid one. comparing it to facism? what a reach.

I'm not deriding the organization or the conservation efforts it does. But the leaders/board members are the figure heads and it's not a leap to suggest their values align with an organization.

If you have a person in a position of power in a organization publicly share those beliefs it can paint every member with that brush and carry a lot of weight with general public.

If the organization was called Wolf Hunters United, sure. But it's not. It represents multiple interests, and thus is obviously going to contain differing points of view. If this person was declaring themselves not a board member, but Fearless Leader on a Crusade of saving ungulates through ONLY XYZ , I'd have reservations. But again, it's not.

[Island Idiots]

I am not here to deride any real attempt to help our wildlife. I offended some and I apologize. I agree with brownmancheng.
I am a member of the BCWF. I don't agree with everything they do, and I don't agree with the stuff they DON'T do.
I am greatful for all those efforts that have a positive effect on wildlife.
There is a void in this province. There is no one organization that is political, and represents hunting and conservation in its purist sense.
Its unfortunate. I hope one day an organization that will be political, stand up for the rights of hunters, All Hunters, and will promote and persue wildlife conservation based on science, not emotion. An organization that will post it's Mission Statement, and stick with it. There is no room in such an organisation for anyone not willing to abide science and proper conservation, tied to hunters rights.

[J_T]

I am not here to deride any real attempt to help our wildlife. I offended some and I apologize. I agree with brownmancheng.
I am a member of the BCWF. I don't agree with everything they do, and I don't agree with the stuff they DON'T do.
I am greatful for all those efforts that have a positive effect on wildlife.
There is a void in this province. There is no one organization that is political, and represents hunting and conservation in its purist sense.
Its unfortunate. I hope one day an organization that will be political, stand up for the rights of hunters, All Hunters, and will promote and persue wildlife conservation based on science, not emotion. An organization that will post it's Mission Statement, and stick with it. There is no room in such an organisation for anyone not willing to abide science and proper conservation, tied to hunters rights.

Are you at all aware of the Kootenay Wildlife Coalition (KWC)? This is a coalition of EKWA/BCWF, BC Trappers, SE Guides, United Bowhunters BC (UBBC), EK Big Game, Wildsight and BC BHA, that have come together with the purpose of working together, trusting each other, setting aside difference with the intent of lobbying Government for more attention to Wildlife. For action. Sounds like what you are looking for. This group has delivered statements and expectations to the Minister, held local round table and town hall meetings, has met with local MLA's, FN, and operational FLNROD staff. The objective is to bring the various voices into a single plan of action. There has been a lot of progress made by this group. Think about it... differing opinions, 'respectfully' coming together, for a single objective.

[338win mag]

If the organization was called Wolf Hunters United, sure. But it's not. It represents multiple interests, and thus is obviously going to contain differing points of view. If this person was declaring themselves not a board member, but Fearless Leader on a Crusade of saving ungulates through ONLY XYZ , I'd have reservations. But again, it's not.
Why would you have reservations about an organization being of a single goal? It would achieve the same end that all want dont you think?
If not why not??

[Brez]

Any organization should post Exactly what they will stand for, no ambiguity. Before I go to such an event I want to know if they will support back country access for me and my UTV.
Do they support the North American Conservation Model?
Is this organization some of the same group that put out the Whitetail ads earlier? There are a lot of selfish, ignorant, folks in the kootenays that want to keep others out, and its all about the antlers.
If this organization has a wolf lover on their board, then I don't want any part of it. I am with Texas Walker.
If you want broad support then you have to support a broad range of hunters.
Any board member should have to sign a memorandum supporting a wolf cull, proper wildlife management. If they won't. they aren't worth pigeon shit.
What they stand for is easily accessible on the net...if you are willing to look. Who is a part of it and their views can be learned from attending the meetings or contacting Bill Hanlon. He is an upstanding guy and will be honest with you. What you believe and what you believe you are entitled to is up to you. What our province can manage for may be a different story. If we band together to lobby the government for our future benefits then we can move forward. If not, we may be contributing to the downward spiral of our wilderness and wildlife resourses. And "Yes", I personally do not equate wilderness with unfettered ATV or other motorized vehicle (snow mobiles) access...just so that is clear.

[Steele Shot]

You're deflecting.

Is there or is there not a board member that is against killing wolves?
I already know the answer so I will do everything I can to stop any hunters from joining or donating money to the BCBHA.
Bad apples can be culled. We proved that in the BCWF. To throw the baby out with the bathwater is just stupid. Changes are best facilitated from within.

[TexasWalker]

Bad apples can be culled. We proved that in the BCWF. To throw the baby out with the bathwater is just stupid. Changes are best facilitated from within.

Proved what?
The BCWF is rife with rotten fruit.

[Cedar Cowgirl]

Proved what?
The BCWF is rife with rotten fruit.

Seriously, for someone who likes to pretend he knows everything, you sure make some very poorly thought out and unfounded statements. If you are going to accuse the organization you really have facts to back them up, so convince us, who are these rotten fruits of which you speak, or is this just more pot stirring??

[Steeleco]

Proved what?
The BCWF is rife with rotten fruit.

So is this web site. And I can prune with impunity. Get it!!

[#49]

Was thinking of joining,but know not so sure now.I see JT mentioned Wildsight in his post,that brings up vision of Jumbo wild and the bongo pounding hippies and a-holes in Nelson that protest but couldnt find it on the map.Im all for saving some wild places and for more wildlife,but as a logger I have no use for some of these types that will piggyback on hunters and anglers just so they can lock up the bush from everyone.Maybe Im off base but BC backcountrys site is vague about how they stand as far as where industry fits in.If someone can enlighten me great

[TexasWalker]

Was thinking of joining,but know not so sure now.I see JT mentioned Wildsight in his post,that brings up vision of Jumbo wild and the bongo pounding hippies and a-holes in Nelson that protest but couldnt find it on the map.Im all for saving some wild places and for more wildlife,but as a logger I have no use for some of these types that will piggyback on hunters and anglers just so they can lock up the bush from everyone.Maybe Im off base but BC backcountrys site is vague about how they stand as far as where industry fits in.If someone can enlighten me great

Glad some people can see the truth.
You're not wrong.

[Brez]

Was thinking of joining,but know not so sure now.I see JT mentioned Wildsight in his post,that brings up vision of Jumbo wild and the bongo pounding hippies and a-holes in Nelson that protest but couldnt find it on the map.Im all for saving some wild places and for more wildlife,but as a logger I have no use for some of these types that will piggyback on hunters and anglers just so they can lock up the bush from everyone.Maybe Im off base but BC backcountrys site is vague about how they stand as far as where industry fits in.If someone can enlighten me great
It doesn't much seem to matter where they stand. If you are in logging and you want access to every tree out there, they are not for you. If you are in mining and want to dig out every mineral out there, they are not for you. If you are into AVTing and sledding and want to be able to climb every hill and rip up every basin out there, they are not for you. If you are in the ski industry and want to put a lodge and bring chopper or cat people onto every powder slope out there, they are not for you. I won't go on.
Now if you are concerned about the degradation and loss of wildlfe habitat and wildlife itself and want to participate in doing something about it, then maybe they are for you.

[Greenthumbed]

It doesn't much seem to matter where they stand. If you are in logging and you want access to every tree out there, they are not for you. If you are in mining and want to dig out every mineral out there, they are not for you. If you are into AVTing and sledding and want to be able to climb every hill and rip up every basin out there, they are not for you. If you are in the ski industry and want to put a lodge and bring chopper or cat people onto every powder slope out there, they are not for you. I won't go on.
Now if you are concerned about the degradation and loss of wildlfe habitat and wildlife itself and want to participate in doing something about it, then maybe they are for you.
Well said!

[#49]

Im not for logging every ree or mining every rock,but Im tired of every group pushing for everything turned into a park in my area.Hate to say it but the mountain caribou are done,so why are we trying to make everything a reserve to save them.I wish it wasnt that way and we had herds of them but it aint happening.I dont support building a ski hill on Jumbo only for the reason is that the plan to remove area in the area as grizzly reserve for the supposed displaced Grizzlys.My worry is that once groups get there way the whole thing will be off limits,because after all humans are the problem