Pint Night for BC Backcountry Hunters and Anglers This THURSDAY

[markathome]

Hi All - thought I'd share this here. The Backcountry Hunters and Anglers BC Chapter is working hard to expand across the province - and I'm the point man for the Vancouver Region.


For the first BC BHA pint night, I've reserved the Common Table at Brown's Social House in Burnaby. Address is: 1908 Rosser Ave, Burnaby, BC V5C 0E1


I picked Burnaby because I'm guessing it's central to most and hopefully no one has to drive over more than one bridge. We can hash out the best area for follow up Pint Nights on Thursday.

I'll be there for 6:30 PM and let's get rolling for 7:00.


http://brownssocialhouse.com/brentwood/

Pretty simple agenda:


Quick introductions - name, where you're from
Quick chat about the BC BHA for new potential members
Short chat about some recent news from the Kootenay's team
Throw some ideas around what we'd like to accomplish as a group:

Ideas around influencing our provincial government
Ideas around boots on the ground volunteering


Quick chat about where and when for our next meeting



Feel free to email me: mark(at)rdcfinehomes.com or call/text six04-815-9678 for more information.

Please visit our website:

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/british_columbia_bha

Anyone from the Sea to Sky feel free to reach out to me and we can set up a carpool.

Hope to see you there!

[KBC]

With all the recent political stuff regarding hunting going on I've been wanting to get a little more active. BHA is on of the organizations that has me interested since from what I can tell they are doing good things in the USA. I've been curious about what they do in Canada, sounds like a good opportunity to find out if I should invest some time and money into BHA.
I have a new baby only a few days old at home this week so it might be tough to make this one but I will try.

[Squamch]

Is BHA anti motorized recreation on crown land?

[IslandWanderer]

Is BHA anti motorized recreation on crown land?

Good question. I was wondering the same thing.

[charlie_horse]

Yes I believe they are not sure to what degree.

[Chrispryn]

Anyone want to car pool from Chilliwack area?

[Ltbullken]

I can't attend but I think it is important to look at influencing the government and winning at the public relations battle. I encourage you to think about how we as hunters as a whole can spread the positive news about conservation, our historic and ongoing contributions to conservation, and how to keep that alive in the public realm. Sounds like an awesome evening, but given my geography, not doable! Have a good one!

[KBC]

Is BHA anti motorized recreation on crown land?

Here’s something from their website;

Responsible Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) Use and Management (https://www.backcountryhunters.org/ohv)
Hunters and anglers know that the hike in is usually worth the pack out. Consequently, it’s imperative that motorized vehicle use is balanced with maintaining habitat and non-motorized recreational opportunities. Sportsmen are acutely aware of how illegal off-highway vehicle abuse scars the land, pollutes water, spreads invasive weeds, displaces wildlife and violates the solitude of the backcountry. BHA supports reasonable regulations – and swift enforcement – that encourage responsible OHV use while addressing the needs of fish and wildlife, the security of their habitat and quality hunting and fishing experiences for the general public.

[markathome]

Thanks for the replies guys - and the questions.

Regarding anti-motorized question: The BHA is not anti-road or anti-development but we are concerned about road density, habitat fragmentation and how they affect the long term integrity and sustainability of our public lands and waters. We support a development approach that applies an appropriate value to wild life and wild places.

It's clear that in many parts of the province the number one public issue at hand is the on-going crisis around habitat and wildlife (like the Kootenays). The BHA is working collaboratively with many like minded organizations to get the message to Victoria that the Provincial management of habitat and wildlife needs adequate funding, support for science based management and a long term funding commitment.

As far as I know there was zero reference to BC's wild life and habitat issues during today's Throne Speech. We're going to have to be pretty damn loud if we want to be heard over the din of the housing crisis and affordable day care. I'm not saying affordable housing and day-care are not important - but in my mind, a 2018 forecast of less than 200 steelhead returning to the Thompson and 50 to the Chilcotin is a crisis of equal importance. The Thompson had 7000 steelhead only 40 years ago. That's a little more than one generation...

Don't get me started on Southern Caribou or the crash of our moose populations.

BC spends 7$ per person per year on wildlife and habitat management - Idaho spends 65$.

[Elkaholic]

What really leaves a bad taste in my mouth about the BC BHA is that the guys here in Cranbrook that run it or the main group of guys seem to think its their way or the highway. ONLY pack in backcountry hunting/fishing is the way to go. That really irks me as all methods of hunting/fishing should be supported. Not just what they feel is the best view on it. One member feel we should only manage for trophy hunting... that's it. Well I am sorry to say if they manage it correctly there will be plenty of game to trophy hunt and plenty of game for all the other guys as well. So for that reason I have been hesitant to support this group, just based off the guys who are the core members here and their views. The local group here has been calling for more road closures and access restrictions to suit their needs it seems like from where I am sitting. And I am not against closures or access restrictions at all, just as long as the reasoning isn't so you can have your favorite honey hole non-motorized.

I hope not all BCBHA chapters are this elitist and they help in the fight going forward. I used to think this would be a group worth of my money, but now not so much.

[J_T]

What really leaves a bad taste in my mouth about the BC BHA is that the guys here in Cranbrook that run it or the main group of guys seem to think its their way or the highway. ONLY pack in backcountry hunting/fishing is the way to go. That really irks me as all methods of hunting/fishing should be supported. Not just what they feel is the best view on it. One member feel we should only manage for trophy hunting... that's it. Well I am sorry to say if they manage it correctly there will be plenty of game to trophy hunt and plenty of game for all the other guys as well. So for that reason I have been hesitant to support this group, just based off the guys who are the core members here and their views. The local group here has been calling for more road closures and access restrictions to suit their needs it seems like from where I am sitting. And I am not against closures or access restrictions at all, just as long as the reasoning isn't so you can have your favorite honey hole non-motorized.

I hope not all BCBHA chapters are this elitist and they help in the fight going forward. I used to think this would be a group worth of my money, but now not so much. I've been attending those meetings. I can't say I've heard the word trophy come up. I know there are many who attend, that do see hunting styles in BC as different than in the USofA and that provides balance. We discussed access last night at the meeting. There is no anti-motorized vehicle position from this group. There is, an appreciation on truly wild places. I became a member and attend meetings to better understand the BHA and particularly this chapter.

[Elkaholic]

I've been attending those meetings. I can't say I've heard the word trophy come up. I know there are many who attend, that do see hunting styles in BC as different than in the USofA and that provides balance. We discussed access last night at the meeting. There is no anti-motorized vehicle position from this group. There is, an appreciation on truly wild places. I became a member and attend meetings to better understand the BHA and particularly this chapter.

Good to know JT, as I said its just my impressions from talking with people who are members and seeing on FB how they were pushing for closures. I can respect the appreciation of truly wild places as well. Maybe I will pony up and take in a few meetings and see how it is and not let the members who rub me the wrong way paint the picture for the whole club.

[J_T]

^^ I know what you mean. There are definitely those that have an agenda to raise access as the solution, however there are also those in attendance who feel access itself, is not always the only, or the best solution.

[Greenthumbed]

Thanks for the replies guys - and the questions.

Regarding anti-motorized question: The BHA is not anti-road or anti-development but we are concerned about road density, habitat fragmentation and how they affect the long term integrity and sustainability of our public lands and waters. We support a development approach that applies an appropriate value to wild life and wild places.

It's clear that in many parts of the province the number one public issue at hand is the on-going crisis around habitat and wildlife (like the Kootenays). The BHA is working collaboratively with many like minded organizations to get the message to Victoria that the Provincial management of habitat and wildlife needs adequate funding, support for science based management and a long term funding commitment.

As far as I know there was zero reference to BC's wild life and habitat issues during today's Throne Speech. We're going to have to be pretty damn loud if we want to be heard over the din of the housing crisis and affordable day care. I'm not saying affordable housing and day-care are not important - but in my mind, a 2018 forecast of less than 200 steelhead returning to the Thompson and 50 to the Chilcotin is a crisis of equal importance. The Thompson had 7000 steelhead only 40 years ago. That's a little more than one generation...

Don't get me started on Southern Caribou or the crash of our moose populations.

BC spends 7$ per person per year on wildlife and habitat management - Idaho spends 65$.

I became a member of BHA a short time ago to lend my support for issues that Mark mentions above. I believe BHA's core values are in the best interests of clean water, hunters, anglers and fish and wildlife and the land in which we inhabit.

[Squamch]

Thanks for the replies guys - and the questions.

Regarding anti-motorized question: The BHA is not anti-road or anti-development but we are concerned about road density, habitat fragmentation and how they affect the long term integrity and sustainability of our public lands and waters. We support a development approach that applies an appropriate value to wild life and wild places.

It's clear that in many parts of the province the number one public issue at hand is the on-going crisis around habitat and wildlife (like the Kootenays). The BHA is working collaboratively with many like minded organizations to get the message to Victoria that the Provincial management of habitat and wildlife needs adequate funding, support for science based management and a long term funding commitment.

As far as I know there was zero reference to BC's wild life and habitat issues during today's Throne Speech. We're going to have to be pretty damn loud if we want to be heard over the din of the housing crisis and affordable day care. I'm not saying affordable housing and day-care are not important - but in my mind, a 2018 forecast of less than 200 steelhead returning to the Thompson and 50 to the Chilcotin is a crisis of equal importance. The Thompson had 7000 steelhead only 40 years ago. That's a little more than one generation...

Don't get me started on Southern Caribou or the crash of our moose populations.

BC spends 7$ per person per year on wildlife and habitat management - Idaho spends 65$.

My question was not if they are anti road or anti development. It was are they against motorized recreation on crown land?
Ie-snowmobiles, dirtbikes, quads, 4x4s.

[Brez]

My question was not if they are anti road or anti development. It was are they against motorized recreation on crown land?
Ie-snowmobiles, dirtbikes, quads, 4x4s.
I'll be going to one of their meetings next week and joining them. I don't believe that they are "against motorized recreation on crown land? Ie-snowmobiles, dirtbikes, quads, 4x4s." I do believe that they are for controlled "motorized recreation on crown land" and I wholeheartedly support that. We must learn to put wildlife ahead of our personal interests or preferences if we want to have healthy, sustainable, and huntable populations in the future.

[Greenthumbed]

I'll be going to one of their meetings next week and joining them. I don't believe that they are "against motorized recreation on crown land? Ie-snowmobiles, dirtbikes, quads, 4x4s." I do believe that they are for controlled "motorized recreation on crown land" and I wholeheartedly support that. We must learn to put wildlife ahead of our personal interests or preferences if we want to have healthy, sustainable, and huntable populations in the future.
I agree with this!

[J_T]

Brez. I would certainly agree, the focus is fish and wildlife. Some good work being done in the Kootenay around fish and accessing fishing locations. Also very involved in determining a new wildlife management model, with a strong focus on habitat, and many other factors that are influenced by various Gov policies, which become barriers to sound wildlife management.

[LBM]

Brez. I would certainly agree, the focus is fish and wildlife. Some good work being done in the Kootenay around fish and accessing fishing locations. Also very involved in determining a new wildlife management model, with a strong focus on habitat, and many other factors that are influenced by various Gov policies, which become barriers to sound wildlife management.

Can you elaborate more on what you mean by many other factors that are influenced by various Gov policies, which become barriers to sound wildlife management.
Thanks

[markathome]

My question was not if they are anti road or anti development. It was are they against motorized recreation on crown land?
Ie-snowmobiles, dirtbikes, quads, 4x4s.

Squamch I don't think I could answer your question any better than Brez - he summed up the sentiment very well.

[Brez]

BCH Pint Night on the 21st at the Trail Refinery Brewery, unless the venue changed 'cause it may be too small. Anyone interested or with any questions should come. That's the reason I'm going.

[Greenthumbed]

BCH Pint Night on the 21st at the Trail Refinery Brewery, unless the venue changed 'cause it may be too small. Anyone interested or with any questions should come. That's the reason I'm going.

I wish I could. It's a bit too far from Golden for me to make it. I'd like to hear what was discussed at the meeting, though. If you can to share.

[markathome]

The boys in the EK are currently working on a strategy to connect all the regions - video links for board meetings? Google meet up for the regional chair people? Are all ideas being kicked around. It's a bit unclear right now, but we should have it sorted soon.

Pint Night for Region 2 is tonight - if you have any questions (about ORV - or anything else), curious or interested in membership come on out. I'll post on our regular pint night here when we figure out the night and the venue - as well as our monthly meeting. We have a member who's connected with the Burnaby Rugby club so we're looking into their social room as a venue.

[J_T]

Can you elaborate more on what you mean by many other factors that are influenced by various Gov policies, which become barriers to sound wildlife management.
Thanks
Please take this comment with caution. While I am a member, I do not formally speak for the organization. The focus is wildlife management and land use. Not regulations. Working with forest licencees, and ecosystem biologists, it becomes obvious there are industrial initiatives which dictate what occurs on the land. Forest management supersedes wildlife. So is there an opportunity for some adjustments? Other identified barriers, GAR Section 2, Forestry appraisal system, Forest industry best practices don't always align to habitat needs, stocking standards and hazard abatement are among some of the items, which if reviewed, might be adjusted to better support wildlife.

[Throwaway]

I’m going to try my best to make it that way tonight but I’m not banking on it. If you could keep us posted via this board regarding upcoming meet ups that be awesome. And since I probably won’t get to ask tonight are Canadians eligible for the Kimber Lifetime membership packages?

[LBM]

Please take this comment with caution. While I am a member, I do not formally speak for the organization. The focus is wildlife management and land use. Not regulations. Working with forest licencees, and ecosystem biologists, it becomes obvious there are industrial initiatives which dictate what occurs on the land. Forest management supersedes wildlife. So is there an opportunity for some adjustments? Other identified barriers, GAR Section 2, Forestry appraisal system, Forest industry best practices don't always align to habitat needs, stocking standards and hazard abatement are among some of the items, which if reviewed, might be adjusted to better support wildlife.

Thanks for info.

[markathome]

I’m going to try my best to make it that way tonight but I’m not banking on it. If you could keep us posted via this board regarding upcoming meet ups that be awesome. And since I probably won’t get to ask tonight are Canadians eligible for the Kimber Lifetime membership packages?

Hey Throwaway - I'll keep updating the board as we move along. I'll find out about the Kimber package and PM you.

M

[DeepJeep]

See you there Brez.

BCH Pint Night on the 21st at the Trail Refinery Brewery, unless the venue changed 'cause it may be too small. Anyone interested or with any questions should come. That's the reason I'm going.

[Brez]

See you there Brez.
I believe it's my turn to buy.

[DeepJeep]

Sounds like a plan! It'll be good to catch up.

[jtred]

How often do they meet in Cranbrook?

[J_T]

^^ Second Tuesday of every month. 7PM

[Treed]

I guess you guys are just finishing up the meeting right now? When is the next meeting in the lml?

[markathome]

I guess you guys are just finishing up the meeting right now? When is the next meeting in the lml?

Hey Treed - we're going to do the second Tuesday of every month - same as the Region 4 guys. Location TBD - I'm working on it with another member.

Also: awesome meeting last night, venue wasn't ideal, 16 Hunters and Anglers showed and we signed up six new members. Lots of good hunting talk and stories among like-minded folks. I'll post a new thread once I figure out the location for the next meeting. Lots of positive energy from very new hunters to guys who've been around BC for a while ;). Stay tuned.

[kootenaihunter]

West Kootenay pint night coming up!

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?143154-PINT-NIGHT-BC-Backcountry-Hunters-amp-Anglers-Trail-BC-February-21&p=1984265#post1984265

[Treed]

I'll come out. Like to contribute what I can... and have a beer.
Thanks.

[markathome]

I’m going to try my best to make it that way tonight but I’m not banking on it. If you could keep us posted via this board regarding upcoming meet ups that be awesome. And since I probably won’t get to ask tonight are Canadians eligible for the Kimber Lifetime membership packages?

Hey Throwaway - check you PMs - there has been a Canadian member who put together the Kimber package (after lots of hoops and then more hoops). We working on relationship with Savage right now.