Wolf Cull Needed says Biologist

[dana]

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/wolf-cull-save-elk-moose-1.3450522

[Red_Mist]

How much traction is a call for a wolf cull going to get from the NDGreen government ?

[Bugle M In]

Yup...
Out of curiosity, did you read some of the posts afterwards...."leave them alone" etc.
And we wonder why Government officials are too scared to do the right thing.

[stinkyduck]

I even registered, to put my say in, only to notice it has been closed for comments. Those types of people have no idea, only leaving the pavement on their fake summer holidays!

[bownut]

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/wolf-cull-save-elk-moose-1.3450522

Good one, wonder how many other Bios would agree?

Hurley said we must have a proper Predator Control Program, Mandatory Harvest Data, Better Awareness.
Funding for more confirmed Science won't change a thing. Funding for changes to Antis thinking maybe?
Too bad some members still want to hang on to the debate.

I dug up a old Petersen's Hunting from 1977 Title was "Big-Lie Tactic Stops Hunting". It was all about the Polar Bear Hunts in Alaska, and the Marine Mammal Protection Act.
So similar to our G Bear Ban, they gave it up and allowed the Natives to carry on. The annual harvest went through the roof, yet another emotional move that did nothing for wildlife.

How much funding went into that fight without little change?

Wolves are next on the list and the Ungulates will suffer once again, if our leaders don't take a stand. Our Bios need a stronger representation that has to hit home.

[Ohwildwon]

That's a year old..

Good to re post though...

[tigrr]

Driving around to some of the old hunting spots and there is no game tracks just wolf tracks. I'd even help if they paid for the chopper.
Comments are like the save the seals team. Now all the seals have eaten all the fish. Where is the save the fish team from the seals? Wolves are tame in their fairy tail minds.

[.264winmag]

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/wolf-cull-save-elk-moose-1.3450522

Just an observation, but it seems you agree with biologists' on this but laugh at the last GB Bio report? So side with them when you feel like it?

[LBM]

The elk herd has been declining for decades it says. Find out why things started declining 30 yrs ago, yes wolves are having a effect on things now
but not what got it there. This report makes things sound pretty drastic whole herds are gone, others numbers depleated if its as bad as they are
saying why still allow hunting of the few remaining. Should opportunity be put ahead of conservation.

[northof49]

^^^^just another troll....add to ignore

[Darksith]

The elk herd has been declining for decades it says. Find out why things started declining 30 yrs ago, yes wolves are having a effect on things now
but not what got it there. This report makes things sound pretty drastic whole herds are gone, others numbers depleated if its as bad as they are
saying why still allow hunting of the few remaining. Should opportunity be put ahead of conservation.

speaking of anti hunters lurking around looking to divide us...

So just restrict opportunity but don't bother to hold any government accountable to protect and maintain healthy wildlife populations hey? Great idea, very well thought out. The governemnt holds our wildlife in trust, but that trust is being broken through lack of proper management. You know what started 30 years ago...the recovery of wolf populations! Conservation requires financial investment not simply restriction of opportunity. Ban this fool!

[Wild one]

speaking of anti hunters lurking around looking to divide us...

So just restrict opportunity but don't bother to hold any government accountable to protect and maintain healthy wildlife populations hey? Great idea, very well thought out. The governemnt holds our wildlife in trust, but that trust is being broken through lack of proper management. You know what started 30 years ago...the recovery of wolf populations! Conservation requires financial investment not simply restriction of opportunity. Ban this fool!


You do realize that the BS you are pulling right now is a great example of how hunters have become divided and weak over time

Because one hunter proffer a different style of management that is more conservative then the present model does not make them an anti.

You do realize most of North America runs a more conservative management system and even those who manage some areas for max opurtunity usually manage other are in a more conservative nature

Guess a lot of hunters outside of B.C. are antis?

The attitude you are showing and those who promote it in BC are one of the big reasons hunters in BC are divided and lack a strong voice in turn getting railroaded

So look in the mirror when you point your finger at another hunter and call them an anti because they don’t agree with how BC is managed.

[Ourea]

Good one, wonder how many other Bios would agree?

Hurley said we must have a proper Predator Control Program, Mandatory Harvest Data, Better Awareness.
Funding for more confirmed Science won't change a thing. Funding for changes to Antis thinking maybe?
Too bad some members still want to hang on to the debate.

I dug up a old Petersen's Hunting from 1977 Title was "Big-Lie Tactic Stops Hunting". It was all about the Polar Bear Hunts in Alaska, and the Marine Mammal Protection Act.
So similar to our G Bear Ban, they gave it up and allowed the Natives to carry on. The annual harvest went through the roof, yet another emotional move that did nothing for wildlife.

How much funding went into that fight without little change?

Wolves are next on the list and the Ungulates will suffer once again, if our leaders don't take a stand. Our Bios need a stronger representation that has to hit home.

Bownut, there isn't a bio in BC that is not acutely aware of the pred dynamic playing out and the habitat challenges facing the future of wildlife. They wish they actually had a budget to use in their various regions to help. They spend a growing amount of their time dealing with hunters bitching about season this, regulation that, while numbers tank.

Habitat enhancement....
Habitat acquisition........
Grow general public awareness .........
Make wildlife a priority in this province.....

This takes money, and a lot of it.

And, in today's culture you sure as shit better have empirical science and data to back up ur shit if you want to impact change. Opinions make sweet f*ck all difference at the end of the day.

[Danny_29]

You do realize that the BS you are pulling right now is a great example of how hunters have become divided and weak over time

Because one hunter proffer a different style of management that is more conservative then the present model does not make them an anti.

You do realize most of North America runs a more conservative management system and even those who manage some areas for max opurtunity usually manage other are in a more conservative nature

Guess a lot of hunters outside of B.C. are antis?

The attitude you are showing and those who promote it in BC are one of the big reasons hunters in BC are divided and lack a strong voice in turn getting railroaded

So look in the mirror when you point your finger at another hunter and call them an anti because they don’t agree with how BC is managed.

Agree with this. Whose the real troll?

[northof49]

[QUOTE=Wild one;1974754]You do realize that the BS you are pulling right now is a great example of how hunters have become divided and weak over time

Because one hunter proffer a different style of management that is more conservative then the present model does not make them an anti.[QUOTE]

Post history says it all....dig deeper

[Wild one]

[QUOTE=Wild one;1974754]You do realize that the BS you are pulling right now is a great example of how hunters have become divided and weak over time

Because one hunter proffer a different style of management that is more conservative then the present model does not make them an anti.[QUOTE]

Post history says it all....dig deeper

Please clarify in PM if you must

if you claim either is an anti please provide proof

I know there is antis on this forum not blind to it

[Bugle M In]

Yes, most Bios agree that wolves are on the High cycle, and contributing to ungulate loss.
Unfortunately, some feel that "nature" should take care of this.
In other words, eventually ungulate #'s drop to a real low point, that wolves eventually "die off due to starvation", cuase they have depleted their food resources.
That's true, this is the natural cycle, BUT, this is a great model, if humans didn't exist on the planet, and consumed every type of resource you can imagine.
So, we, and they, have to accept that things have to be "managed", so we don't have those real low cycles.
We need to eat too...or starve off half the planets human inhabitants.
That's the issue I have with those that just say it's a natural cycle, so lets do nothing.
We have to do something, we need to balance to pred #'s in relation to the ungulate #'s.
And to have both ungulate #'s and Pred #'s higher, we need to get habitat back to a healthy dynamic state.
OR, we can just wait for the entire province to "burn down" (which could happen soon..IMO), thus better habitat, but, we will have to watch ungulates drop to the point where wolves die off....
Which means we would have to stop hunting for the next 20 years.
And I am not willing to sit on the sidelines and wait for that, if I could do something about it now!

[LBM]

[QUOTE=northof49;1974824][QUOTE=Wild one;1974754]You do realize that the BS you are pulling right now is a great example of how hunters have become divided and weak over time

Because one hunter proffer a different style of management that is more conservative then the present model does not make them an anti.

Please clarify in PM if you must

if you claim either is an anti please provide proof

I know there is antis on this forum not blind to it

Ya Im interested to.

[wideopenthrottle]

Yes, most Bios agree that wolves are on the High cycle, and contributing to ungulate loss.
Unfortunately, some feel that "nature" should take care of this.
In other words, eventually ungulate #'s drop to a real low point, that wolves eventually "die off due to starvation", cuase they have depleted their food resources.
That's true, this is the natural cycle, BUT, this is a great model, if humans didn't exist on the planet, and consumed every type of resource you can imagine.
So, we, and they, have to accept that things have to be "managed", so we don't have those real low cycles.
We need to eat too...or starve off half the planets human inhabitants.
That's the issue I have with those that just say it's a natural cycle, so lets do nothing.
We have to do something, we need to balance to pred #'s in relation to the ungulate #'s.
And to have both ungulate #'s and Pred #'s higher, we need to get habitat back to a healthy dynamic state.
OR, we can just wait for the entire province to "burn down" (which could happen soon..IMO), thus better habitat, but, we will have to watch ungulates drop to the point where wolves die off....
Which means we would have to stop hunting for the next 20 years.
And I am not willing to sit on the sidelines and wait for that, if I could do something about it now!


one of the best and most concise wording of the basic concept of wildlife management....well done!!!

It is simply about smoothing out the oscillations.....

Who, in their right mind, would agree that feast or famine would work for them or an animal population....

The ones saying "let nature take its course" while there is high in the pop cycle numbers will be the same ones to cry "we need to do something" when it crashes....they will say this without actually knowing what the correct thing is "to do"....ie manage populations for equilibrium...

Sometimes we, as managers of wildlife, need to step up the killing on the prey animals and sometimes we need to step up killing on the preds...that is sound management imho

edit: this assumes there is sufficient habitat to sustain any given animal population, of course!!!

[Drillbit]

Yes, most Bios agree that wolves are on the High cycle, and contributing to ungulate loss.
Unfortunately, some feel that "nature" should take care of this.
In other words, eventually ungulate #'s drop to a real low point, that wolves eventually "die off due to starvation", cuase they have depleted their food resources.
That's true, this is the natural cycle, BUT, this is a great model, if humans didn't exist on the planet, and consumed every type of resource you can imagine.
So, we, and they, have to accept that things have to be "managed", so we don't have those real low cycles.
We need to eat too...or starve off half the planets human inhabitants.
That's the issue I have with those that just say it's a natural cycle, so lets do nothing.
We have to do something, we need to balance to pred #'s in relation to the ungulate #'s.
And to have both ungulate #'s and Pred #'s higher, we need to get habitat back to a healthy dynamic state.
OR, we can just wait for the entire province to "burn down" (which could happen soon..IMO), thus better habitat, but, we will have to watch ungulates drop to the point where wolves die off....
Which means we would have to stop hunting for the next 20 years.
And I am not willing to sit on the sidelines and wait for that, if I could do something about it now!

To let the natural cycles play out isn't the best idea to me.


Once the Predators run out of ungulates they'll start hitting livestock harder. This is already happening.

Secondly, to quit hunting moose for 20 years would just slow down the cycle.

[bownut]

Bownut, there isn't a bio in BC that is not acutely aware of the pred dynamic playing out and the habitat challenges facing the future of wildlife. They wish they actually had a budget to use in their various regions to help. They spend a growing amount of their time dealing with hunters bitching about season this, regulation that, while numbers tank.

Habitat enhancement....
Habitat acquisition........
Grow general public awareness .........
Make wildlife a priority in this province.....

This takes money, and a lot of it.

And, in today's culture you sure as shit better have empirical science and data to back up ur shit if you want to impact change. Opinions make sweet f*ck all difference at the end of the day.

I hear you there, did you happen to read that Mackie 1998 Study that I posted earlier? Look at the money and time spent in Montana in 98'.
all BC can do at this point is continue to recognize those funded studies and try to resource what they can from them. The funding is a long ways
off from what I can tell. I have plenty of history and request information to confirm it. Wildlife needs to be put front and center before it will happen.

Sucks the BIG ONE!

[hunter1947]

Total agree 100%

[dana]

Just an observation, but it seems you agree with biologists' on this but laugh at the last GB Bio report? So side with them when you feel like it?

When did I laugh at the latest GB Bio report? Hmmm, don't recall ever posting about it here as I was banned that week. ;) i did post up some video footage on IG of a grizz standing in the middle of Highway 5 and said 'Supposedly Grizzlies avoid roads. This has not been my experience.' Never mentioned a thing about the Bio Report. i have not seen it or read it. So I can not make any comments other than I have personally seen a ton of grizzlies on and near roads. I can also say I am FB friends with the Bio and actually remember him being very intrigued by some grizzly photos I took this summer beside a very busy highway.

But, lets take your post and put it into the context of why I posted this CBC article about a wolf cull. There are many on here that claim to follow science and demand that we listen to the Bios and yet they say there is no need for a wolf cull. So, by attacking me you have actually hit the nail on the head. 'So side with them when you feel like it.'

[.264winmag]

When did I laugh at the latest GB Bio report? Hmmm, don't recall ever posting about it here as I was banned that week. ;) i did post up some video footage on IG of a grizz standing in the middle of Highway 5 and said 'Supposedly Grizzlies avoid roads. This has not been my experience.' Never mentioned a thing about the Bio Report. i have not seen it or read it. So I can not make any comments other than I have personally seen a ton of grizzlies on and near roads. I can also say I am FB friends with the Bio and actually remember him being very intrigued by some grizzly photos I took this summer beside a very busy highway.

But, lets take your post and put it into the context of why I posted this CBC article about a wolf cull. There are many on here that claim to follow science and demand that we listen to the Bios and yet they say there is no need for a wolf cull. So, by attacking me you have actually hit the nail on the head. 'So side with them when you feel like it.'

Was from your IG gb post. No mention of the bio report you're correct, just coincidence perhaps. I took it as calling out the bio report, like I said just my observation.

As for the dogs, cull em'...

[338win mag]

speaking of anti hunters lurking around looking to divide us...

So just restrict opportunity but don't bother to hold any government accountable to protect and maintain healthy wildlife populations hey? Great idea, very well thought out. The governemnt holds our wildlife in trust, but that trust is being broken through lack of proper management. You know what started 30 years ago...the recovery of wolf populations! Conservation requires financial investment not simply restriction of opportunity. Ban this fool!
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