Lots Of Wolf Talk eh ?

[proguide66]

WHATS GOIN ON????? All you dorks still here?? lol

I haven't been here in a while, never have time. Had a few messages on other places asking me to chime in on some wolf talk here. Soooo....
I recall the first time I came on here years back was when I realised it was a great place to encourage people to hit wolves so I started a thread on it. That thread ( at the time) became the most hit thread in the history of the forum for a while real quick. Funny, in the first few posts on that thread I was attacked no stop from all angles including a few ego dented HBC member idiots, clubs and first nation band offices....but I held my ground, fought back and off the thread went in the positive direction it SHOULD have from the beginning.
SO, I'm back ! lol I'll start a new thread on wolves, share what I KNOW below, what I could 'possibly' do and as well suggest what YOU can do.

The good thing about licensed trappers is they can go get them (wolves) without relying on a 'vote' or a green light from the gov. Wich means zero politics, opposition in anyway whether it a club or ministry, THEY CANT STOP US right 'now' so you better get shit going right now.

So, does trapping wolves work ?? YES.

Handful of years back I realised NO ONE was targeting wolves where I lived ( Pemberton) and as well, there was nothing but wolf stories coming from basically 'everyone' locally so I got my license and went after them. I had permission on 3 trap lines as well 2 private properties.( SOMEONE had to do it).
Take note the local club had been counting spring mountain goats for somewhere around 20 years as well had electronic deer counters for nearly the same.
I used my experienced wolf trapping guide partners from up north as reference non stop as well past experience from going with them up north and added my own tricks the wolves taught me and applied all of it.
I killed a lot of them.
I think year 2 or 3 the local club had the "highest kid count in the history of counting them" as well the same results with the deer count, "highest spring number return".
Some may argue it wasn't trapping that cause this, I KNOW it was.

I QUIT

Why? because after $10k ( YES, at least $10k. sled, course, fuel, gear, NOT including time) of my own money, hundreds of hours of my time, numerous attacks from local IDIOTS ( including local club members) and the fact where I was doing it I never hunted anyway, I finally shook my head with "WTF, SCREW EM, enjoy your pooches C-YA"
And you know what else, I never even received a frickin 6 pack of beer from people who hunted there - ZERO.
I did however get permission to kill wolves near some big horn sheep in other areas and as well was called on from some ranchers in reg 3 to clean up wolves so I happily travelled to those places and made a difference.

NOW WHAT

Well, locally ( Squamish to Goldbridge) predators are literally EVERYWHERE, ( as well the rest of the province). WHY? mild winters, easy access via man made roads, thats why- end of story.

WHAT CAN YOU DO?

#1, hunting them isn't going to do shit. I hunt basically full time, 45 days straight in reg two as just a small portion and have NEVER shot a wolf in reg 2. ( due to terrain) So, all you guys offering to go out and shoot them, that's great, enthusiasm is super but as far as 'that' fixing a 'problem', aint gonna happen. Not from the ground anyway.

FUND A TRAPPER

Wolf trapping takes time and money - period. Fur trappers do not specifically target wolves because it just doesn't pay the bills - period. Encourage and fund a wolf trapper and NO, not 'by the wolf'. You fund his time, gear, fuel, get him going after them NOW. It takes time to get good at it, time to figure out where they go, when and how to nail them if the trapper has not specifically been after them in the past. And, there is many of us who can throw down tips and tricks to get it done efficiently.

AM I GOING TO DO IT?

I might. I am in the position I could do it full time if I chose.
Currently the Squamish band wants me to do something, locals want me to hit it as well various private property owners.
Am I going to drop $1.00 of my money to do it? NOT A DIME. I did that, now its hunters turn to do it.
Believe me, there's a lot more fun things to do on this planet for the winter than go trapping wolves full time. Especially when you have to deal with the non stop attack the entire time by NON hunters AND hunters alike. BUT, it is out of control this is a fact. ( I've never really been one to really give a fck what anyone thinks - but.)
There was fresh wolf sign on EVERY trail I hunted this year and as well easily less than 50% of the deer there was say 5 years ago.( I run over 20 cameras over a 30 mile stretch non stop).

TRAPPING CAUSES MORE WOLVES

Prove it !!!

Here's the deal. Wolves kill wolves more than anything else. You wack a bunch of a pack, next time they bump into that rival pack, they done for.
Wolves are as well VERY intelligent. I hammered on a pack near a popular wintering zone, the survivors realised it wasn't a good place to hang out and they left. This doesn't last too long though so 4ish years later, wolves are back at it and going strong.

As an example of HOW you can make a difference. 'If or when' I make the decision to do this in Reg 2, I'll let all know via social media and set up an 'Ungulate Enhancement Fund' with a go fund me thing ( or whatever) and you can throw down that way. I'm still on the fence because it won't be a casual task, you either go ALL IN or nothing and ALL IN = a shit load of time of life and effort. But 'all in' gets it done.

There's another trapper up north. He WAS killing 40 and 50 plus a year. He QUIT !! WHY? because it was all coming out of his pocket , that's why.

Note,

When you DO KNOW first hand what eliminating predators does and you see ZERO interest or offered help from people who are avid ungulate hunters it makes you shake your head so much its stupid. REALLY??????? WTF??????
Every hunter reading this, ask your self how much $ you threw down in the past toward any kind of wolf control ?? OR if you even looked into it ??

So there ya go boys and girls. Collars, studies, votes, blah blah effing blah........ none needed, nothing new to learn.
You want to make a difference immediately ? Encourage a trapper and fund them - period.
It's simple easy math to justify it. XXXX is eating YY full time?? change it to X is eating YYY as fast as you can, cant describe it any more clear !



Anway, there ya go.

If I find some time, I might share a blacktail story or two on here later maybe,

LATER !!
:mrgreen:

[Fosey]

Excellent. Our local club tried to pay our local trapper but he would not take money and he ended up stopping trapping them. I checked his traps for him but it wasn’t enough. I will definitely get moving and help him out. Trapping wolves is a big commitment.Thanks

[IronNoggin]

Good to see you posting back here again... Ya Dork! :lol:

Excellent Post!
Makes waaaaay too much sense!
Let's hope that those who have been clamoring for some type of action in regards to the wolves can get behind this!
I will indeed search out our local trapper, and offer up my help once again.

Thanks for bringing this forward Steve!

Now get on with another amazing blacktail tale or two! :wink:

Cheers,
Nog

[Gateholio]

Good to see you back PG66.

PG 66 has always been good at encouraging others. Hopefully he can encourage hunters to open their wallets, province wide. Predator reduction will actually save hunters money in the long run. A whole lot of small donations can add up pretty quick. Every little bit helps.

Steve, I'm in for $500 if you decide to go for it.

[horse280]

Thanks for a real explanato there P.g. some of us luddites are not on F$#%beak but if you get this going imagine a 100.00 from each of us bitching little pusses on HBC and even if you blow 1/2 on hookers and blow as long as you kill a few of them inbred soul catching stinky pieces of shi# I for one would be thrilled,imagine going all the way up to del rio or the muskwa or tete jeune and all a guy can do is sit around the campfire at night and talk about how much wolf sign we have seen that day versus 25 years ago when we talked about how many bucks and bulls and does we saw that day and how exciting tomorrow would be,so many of us and our peers went up this last fall 4-5 guys wall tents 1600 budweisers, 1700.00 in fuel, 1200.00 in groceries ,drugs, porn mags, magnum packs of toilet paper--and guess what came back with sweet F-A SO HEY dudes and Dudettes,a couple of your sheckles for the mad trapper cannot be nearly as bad as giving it to our goddam worthless politicians without a hope of ever getting it back no matter what they promise! Thank you Pro-Guide from another previous guide lets see where this go you have my support Horsee:p

[Ourea]

Thanks for a real explanato there P.g. some of us luddites are not on F$#%beak but if you get this going imagine a 100.00 from each of us bitching little pusses on HBC and even if you blow 1/2 on hookers and blow as long as you kill a few of them inbred soul catching stinky pieces of shi# I for one would be thrilled,imagine going all the way up to del rio or the muskwa or tete jeune and all a guy can do is sit around the campfire at night and talk about how much wolf sign we have seen that day versus 25 years ago when we talked about how many bucks and bulls and does we saw that day and how exciting tomorrow would be,so many of us and our peers went up this last fall 4-5 guys wall tents 1600 budweisers, 1700.00 in fuel, 1200.00 in groceries ,drugs, porn mags, magnum packs of toilet paper--and guess what came back with sweet F-A SO HEY dudes and Dudettes,a couple of your sheckles for the mad trapper cannot be nearly as bad as giving it to our goddam worthless politicians without a hope of ever getting it back no matter what they promise! Thank you Pro-Guide from another previous guide lets see where this go you have my support Horsee:p

EPIC POST.
Love it.

[trapman]

Let’s try this again. I totally agree Steve this is my first year trapping wolves . With over 700 pounds of bait and 130 hours of trapping time and only 5 wolves to show . It is one of the hardest and most time consuming trapping there is . You hear of so many people on the site saying they would like to help the problem , Put your support we will do the most good. Support A Trapper

[Island Idiots]

I think this is a great idea. Would a wolf trapping trapper list be of benefit so hunters can support trappers in their respective regions?
I think trappers reporting their success with photos would be awesome. Active participation by hunters in this kind of program would raise some eyebrows. The condo dwelling, bear hugging, tree lickers in downtown Vancouver need to ask why we would financially support this program. The answer would enlighten them a bit.

[twoSevenO]

Time for a gofundme page?

I'll donate as long as someone gives me a clear instructions on WHERE

[gcreek]

Good for you Steve, every one helps.

I have the Lays killing wolves for me this winter, paying out of my own pocket to try and lessen the impact on my herd. Indirectly saving the lives of a few moose, deer and caribou. I suggested I could use a little financial help and the tight spincters puckered shut and quit talking about it.

Best of luck to you.

[gcreek]

Or we could stuff $25 worth of 1080 in a road-killed moose and drag it onto a frozen lake with $10 of sled gas.

Quite a few inexperienced must be doing that to some success. I can't get a raven to land on a carcass in this area.

The worst thing gov't did was fund training for all the wannabe wolf trappers and eventually educate every pack in the province.

[HighCountryBC]

Good for you Steve, every one helps.

I have the Lays killing wolves for me this winter, paying out of my own pocket to try and lessen the impact on my herd. Indirectly saving the lives of a few moose, deer and caribou. I suggested I could use a little financial help and the tight spincters puckered shut and quit talking about it.

Best of luck to you.

Probably had something to do with your delivery.

[Bugle M In]

Firstly, glad to see your back.
As to Trapman, I have heard that it is "really tough" to trap wolves....due to their intelligence.
PG66, thanks for some insight on your experience and that little tidbit about goats, as I was just thinking about my past season talk with a GO up in the EK.
Yes, lots and lots of wolves up in that watershed area....and beyond.
The GO keeps repeating that the trapper in that area, basically refuses to trap wolves....so, they don't get taken.
Now, from what you have said, and the fact that there isn't much money in wolf hides, answers that for me, and why
possibly that trapper chooses not to go for them.
Intersetly, I have watched 4 GO's own that territory....actually 5, but the 1st GO did well, but just decided to sell.
The 2nd, who owned it for years, slowly over time watched the game disappear, to the point he just kept saying to me that there was "no game" left really back in the high country like it once was.
The 3rd never even got really started, and sold off to a 4th.
The 4th basically shot up what he could find, but within a couple of years, he also said there was nothing out there.
That really, he was mostly targeting goats....which, from my understanding, he sort of lost that territory due to shooting "too many nannies".
Anyways, the 5th, this current GO, has had poor success in harvesting elk the past few years, and basically said that Goats were now his real main source of revenue, and again, stated the same, no game, bad habitat....and wolves.
Like you said, he said the same....he takes 1 here and there, but it's not enough, and hunting them is really hard.
But, one last thing about Goats....he explained to me how these Goats, come winter time, seem to come way down the slopes of this 1 particular mountain that carries lots of nannies and kids.
Just so happens, this slope comes to a pinch point on the river....right where the wolves seem to get most of their success.
I have a bad feeling, it's only a matter of time, until these wolves, and the increased # of cougars in the area, deplete this watershed of Goat as well.
And if that happens, that GO and anyone after him is finished....IMO.
And if no GO buys that territory in the future....well...we have seen how "other groups" are slowly buying them up,
and they ain't the sort of folks, we as hunters want to see buying up these territories.
Just another thought on how bad other things can come from our current situation that we don't really take into account for the future.
That's 4 of the last 5 GO's....who have sat at "my camp"....not theirs....talking to me, telling me how bad it is for them up there, and no, it's not the competition that they are trying to alleviate.
Anyways, when the wolves get done with one source, they may not necessarily move on...they just may possibly switch, so your think about "more goats" after removing wolves holds a lot of water in my books.
Thanks for the insight...and confirming some of my thoughts/fears.

[Gateholio]

Let’s try this again. I totally agree Steve this is my first year trapping wolves . With over 700 pounds of bait and 130 hours of trapping time and only 5 wolves to show . It is one of the hardest and most time consuming trapping there is . You hear of so many people on the site saying they would like to help the problem , Put your support we will do the most good. Support A Trapper

5 wolves in your first year is doing pretty good! Congrats and keep at it!

[Fisher-Dude]

Wolves need to suffer 75% mortality for 5 straight years in order to effect a decline in their numbers.

That's a tall order in the absence of 1080 and aerial gunning.

[horse280]

The LIST may seem to be a great idea in the eyes of many,but will result In the demonification of our local trappers and harrasment I suppose. talk to a C.O. or local rancher in the region you wish to donate to they will give you the goods on who is who in the wolf trapping world in your given region Knowing it is going on behind the scenes with internal knowledge is more satisfying then blowing this self serving shit out there to the uneducated leftist leafy masses . we can keep this in house and make it effective As Gcreek says he has some top notch lads out there making a difference and they are easily 3x more effective as some of the other self proclaimed around the central Cariboo remember the last time the libs won the provincial election? up until the last bit the dipps thought they had it in the bag? why? because we didn,t say shit until it was all over these strategies are ultimately effective Horsee

[Ourea]

The LIST may seem to be a great idea in the eyes of many,but will result In the demonification of our local trappers and harrasment I suppose. talk to a C.O. or local rancher in the region you wish to donate to they will give you the goods on who is who in the wolf trapping world in your given region Knowing it is going on behind the scenes with internal knowledge is more satisfying then blowing this self serving shit out there to the uneducated leftist leafy masses . we can keep this in house and make it effective As Gcreek says he has some top notch lads out there making a difference and they are easily 3x more effective as some of the other self proclaimed around the central Cariboo remember the last time the libs won the provincial election? up until the last bit the dipps thought they had it in the bag? why? because we didn,t say shit until it was all over these strategies are ultimately effective Horsee

Ur killing me.
Love it.
You need to post more.

[LBM]

Proguide your a very smart business man, hope things work out for you, but as been mentioned before they money has to go
to the right trappers.

[Wild one]

If hunters want to donate as insensitive to increase wolf trapping organize a program with the BCTA

Want the best results create a program where trappers are compensated on each wolf they trap. There is a lot of old knowledgeable trappers that don’t target wolves or only invest small effort on wolves do to the lack of profit vs expenses/work

Most of the trappers that make an impact on wolves are GO’s that own the trapline within there GO territories. They are motivated because of it helping there GO business

[horse280]

Trying to put it in perspective Ourea. Thanks for all of your great stuff BTW not to take anything away This is really one of the most meaningful selfless things I believe anybody has almost touched on as far as bush activism on this site since I have been here since 2007 the humour is applied to "make the medicine go down" in all truthfulness this has to be a long campaign wolves,seals,sea lions etc. the climate change Barbies of OUR world have been mollycoddled long enough to have increased in population numbers beyond standard control measures , along with aspects of logging practices mainly the amount of road access in the province have come to a head.I do believe this is a simple way to perhaps dent these predators and know what,you'll never eliminate them all but that's ok just a dull roar will do how about get a stray couple of dogs with parvo and feed them to your local pack pretty easy right? oh Snap did I say that out loud? Horsee

[LBM]

Firstly, glad to see your back.
As to Trapman, I have heard that it is "really tough" to trap wolves....due to their intelligence.
PG66, thanks for some insight on your experience and that little tidbit about goats, as I was just thinking about my past season talk with a GO up in the EK.
Yes, lots and lots of wolves up in that watershed area....and beyond.
The GO keeps repeating that the trapper in that area, basically refuses to trap wolves....so, they don't get taken.
Now, from what you have said, and the fact that there isn't much money in wolf hides, answers that for me, and why
possibly that trapper chooses not to go for them.
Intersetly, I have watched 4 GO's own that territory....actually 5, but the 1st GO did well, but just decided to sell.
The 2nd, who owned it for years, slowly over time watched the game disappear, to the point he just kept saying to me that there was "no game" left really back in the high country like it once was.
The 3rd never even got really started, and sold off to a 4th.
The 4th basically shot up what he could find, but within a couple of years, he also said there was nothing out there.
That really, he was mostly targeting goats....which, from my understanding, he sort of lost that territory due to shooting "too many nannies".
Anyways, the 5th, this current GO, has had poor success in harvesting elk the past few years, and basically said that Goats were now his real main source of revenue, and again, stated the same, no game, bad habitat....and wolves.
Like you said, he said the same....he takes 1 here and there, but it's not enough, and hunting them is really hard.
But, one last thing about Goats....he explained to me how these Goats, come winter time, seem to come way down the slopes of this 1 particular mountain that carries lots of nannies and kids.
Just so happens, this slope comes to a pinch point on the river....right where the wolves seem to get most of their success.
I have a bad feeling, it's only a matter of time, until these wolves, and the increased # of cougars in the area, deplete this watershed of Goat as well.
And if that happens, that GO and anyone after him is finished....IMO.
And if no GO buys that territory in the future....well...we have seen how "other groups" are slowly buying them up,
and they ain't the sort of folks, we as hunters want to see buying up these territories.
Just another thought on how bad other things can come from our current situation that we don't really take into account for the future.
That's 4 of the last 5 GO's....who have sat at "my camp"....not theirs....talking to me, telling me how bad it is for them up there, and no, it's not the competition that they are trying to alleviate.
Anyways, when the wolves get done with one source, they may not necessarily move on...they just may possibly switch, so your think about "more goats" after removing wolves holds a lot of water in my books.
Thanks for the insight...and confirming some of my thoughts/fears.

I really wish you had a clue what goes on in 4-25 the rest of the year instead of the 2 weeks in the fall that you are there. Trappers in the area do set for wolves, you can goggle the pioneer paper from last year on the article about one of the animals they caught. Wasn't a wolf though. The one trap area was also sold last year how is the new guy doing.
As for goats you answered it your self could be to many nannies taken by hunters , very deprimental to the herd.
Goats have been declining there for years and again this was voiced, the organization guys on here said no but counts are showing a different story now. Again to little to late.

[Bugle M In]

I really wish you had a clue what goes on in 4-25 the rest of the year instead of the 2 weeks in the fall that you are there. Trappers in the area do set for wolves, you can goggle the pioneer paper from last year on the article about one of the animals they caught. Wasn't a wolf though. The one trap area was also sold last year how is the new guy doing.
As for goats you answered it your self could be to many nannies taken by hunters , very deprimental to the herd.
Goats have been declining there for years and again this was voiced, the organization guys on here said no but counts are showing a different story now. Again to little to late.

LBM...WTF....really,
Seems like the GO's up there, spend a lot of time up there.
If the GO in the area says that the trapper there "isn't trapping wolves"...then why wouldn't I take his word for it??
Now, if there is a "new trapper" in there.....then okay...just say that.....but that's the 1st I heard about it!
As for Goats, the GO just acquired 2 more permits...extra....why?
Because it is in an area where the leh is like 0.6:1 odds....so basically, No One Hunts up there for Goats!!
Thus, he was given those extra tags now.
As for too many Nannies...yes, you could blame 1 previous GO for that....and they have a reputation for that..
Blasting up everything...but I doubt the GO right now is anything like that.
But Wolves are there, and the Goats do come down in winter, and the Elk are gone, and sure seems to be a lot less
WT around as well....or...they have becoming very well hidden....due to wolf/pred in the area.
You think those GO's were all full of S***!....
Seems like your the "leading authority".....so go for it.

[Fisher-Dude]

12 nannies killed in all of 4-25 in the past 15 years. 2 in the last 5 years.

Pretty difficult to conclude that this would be the cause of a population decline.

[Bugle M In]

12 nannies killed in all of 4-25 in the past 15 years. 2 in the last 5 years.

Pretty difficult to conclude that this would be the cause of a population decline.

Exactly!!...why LBM says "hunters" are responsible for that, is beyond me??!!
Seems to him, hunters are the reason for that decline up there for all game #'s.
It's BS, I know there are many guys up there hunting in general, not just from talking to the GO's, but also other workers in the area.
Way more hunters until about the mid 90's at best....now, hardly a soul up there creating all that "so called damage".

[LBM]

Exactly!!...why LBM says "hunters" are responsible for that, is beyond me??!!
Seems to him, hunters are the reason for that decline up there for all game #'s.
It's BS, I know there are many guys up there hunting in general, not just from talking to the GO's, but also other workers in the area.
Way more hunters until about the mid 90's at best....now, hardly a soul up there creating all that "so called damage".
Didn't say that at all, twist it to what ever you want.

[LBM]

12 nannies killed in all of 4-25 in the past 15 years. 2 in the last 5 years.

Pretty difficult to conclude that this would be the cause of a population decline.
How many there to start.

[LBM]

LBM...WTF....really,
Seems like the GO's up there, spend a lot of time up there.
If the GO in the area says that the trapper there "isn't trapping wolves"...then why wouldn't I take his word for it??
Now, if there is a "new trapper" in there.....then okay...just say that.....but that's the 1st I heard about it!
As for Goats, the GO just acquired 2 more permits...extra....why?
Because it is in an area where the leh is like 0.6:1 odds....so basically, No One Hunts up there for Goats!!
Thus, he was given those extra tags now.
As for too many Nannies...yes, you could blame 1 previous GO for that....and they have a reputation for that..
Blasting up everything...but I doubt the GO right now is anything like that.
But Wolves are there, and the Goats do come down in winter, and the Elk are gone, and sure seems to be a lot less
WT around as well....or...they have becoming very well hidden....due to wolf/pred in the area.
You think those GO's were all full of S***!....
Seems like your the "leading authority".....so go for it.
New trapper just started this year. the trapper before was setting for wolves.
No your the one that seems to spread the---- and the one complaining about the outfitter wanting 6 point elk
season so can get trophy bulls but cant get any. Well some residents are doing well and getting some damn fine elk.
Again I don't no why people don't tell you anything or why you think they have to. Your there 2 weeks out of the year
a lot happens the rest of the time.

Sorry pro guide for your thread getting off track but get tired BS being spread.
Was kind of about wolf trapping though.

[huntcoop]

Nice to see you back PG66. If the Indians have requested your help, get them to pay you, lord knows they have a shit ton of money to spend, remember it's year end!!

[Fisher-Dude]

How many there to start.

Population must be >100 in every year or they wouldn't have a hunt.

That's the minimum threshold.

[TexasWalker]

Start the gofundme now Steve, I'll gladly donate and will share it with 10,000+ resident hunters on FB.

[LBM]

Population must be >100 in every year or they wouldn't have a hunt.

That's the minimum threshold.

Interesting in 2014 the estimated goat population in 25A was 25 yet they still gave out tags.
Also pretty sure they don't do counts every year so looks like scientific based things may be flawed.

[proguide66]

Bottom line is this.....

NO ONE is going to do shit unless someone STARTS. EVERYONE is going to have some kind of opinion, EVERYONE has some kind of 'fact' or 'answer' but bottom line, NO ONE is motivating anyone to do SHIT, got it? Believe me , I have had it up to THE NUTS in the past from 'opinions' on the topic - period. I dont give a F$%k what club, organisation, ministry, band, group, forum, whatever the f you are from or represent, SHOW ME WHAT YOU HAVE DONE?
This is what I HAVE DONE ( ALONE by the way),
Saw the problem, seeked out and acquired a legal license, seeked out and found the knowledge, seeked out and acquired permission, funded it 100%, MYSELF went out there and killed a PILE OF WOLVES and made a difference. ALL BY MYSELF. I never seeked anyones 'approval' - didn't need it - I went and DID IT. The SAME TIME, I motivated MANY on here to go get their license and get after it, again, with no ones approval, no vote needed, NO ONE's opinion to stop me or slow me.

And THAT is the sweet thing we have here on this thread. If ANY of YOU know a wolf killin licensed trapper who CAN make a difference where YOU hunt, seek them out, fund their asses to target wolves and GET IT DONE - end of story. And THAT is about as fast and simple as it gets. Go DIRECT to where it starts and make it happen. The less 'turns' you have to take , the better the results and faster.

To EVERY person who hunts game in this province and opposes this move, even a little bit?? My straight up reply to you will get my ass banned from here and this thread removed.

I am awaiting a few other items on my plate to be dealt with before I can personally commit to a project here in reg 2 this winter but if I do, you hunters that hunt Squamish to Goldbridge are going to help get it done, and I WILL get it done.

Aside from 'me' and this thread, all I ever seem to see is useless banter back and forth on the topic from key board conservation wizards, I don't EVER see anyone DOING anything- EVER. So, dropping 'opinions' on here isn't going to do SHIT, talking among your local outdoor enthusiasts, seeking out wolf killers and motivating them IS. What more can I say here??

DO SOMETHING !!!!

[proguide66]

Let’s try this again. I totally agree Steve this is my first year trapping wolves . With over 700 pounds of bait and 130 hours of trapping time and only 5 wolves to show . It is one of the hardest and most time consuming trapping there is . You hear of so many people on the site saying they would like to help the problem , Put your support we will do the most good. Support A Trapper

Thats AWESOME !!! Id slap $5k in your mit in a second for that alone if I had it !! 5 wolves makes a HUGE dofference. This time of year is as well typically the tough time to get them compared to later when they start to breed. I never got good numbers till mid/late Feb through to end of season. DONT STOP !!

[TUGGER]

proguide66 would you consider putting on a course for trapping wolves you would charge a fee i am close to retirement and i can think of nothing better than doing a little community service

[proguide66]

proguide66 would you consider putting on a course for trapping wolves you would charge a fee i am close to retirement and i can think of nothing better than doing a little community service

As long as it was VERY worthy of the time, meaning the people I was sharing with WERE GOING TO DO IT, can do it, are all lined up to DO IT. To travel 3 or 4 hrs to share it with people who were curious and 'might' do it one day isn't appealing. It as well wouldn't be about getting paid to share it.
On a side note on that topic, a couple years ago the WSSBC asked me if I would talk about wolf trapping at the banquette. I did. THEN guess what they told me after? That some DOUCHE ( they never told me their name) from the Trapping association called them and went off on them for doing that !!! WTF?????
You see why I do not hold much interest in clubs or politics?? You want to get shit done, you DO IT.
Imagine actually blowing an 'ego driven' gasket at someone talking about wolf trapping to outdoors people who may (in the end) be encouraged to get their license and get after it ?? HEAD SHAKE !!!!

If you know of guys who are willing and able ( licensed, place to legally do it and are GOING TO), I'd go way out of my way to unload what I know on them in a heartbeat.

[TUGGER]

in my currant job i deal with cattle men every day who deal with the wolf problem i am in a position to take this info and help them out if you can find the time and the right amount of trappers and hunters i am in and willing to travel to get a first hand help up

[DeepJeep]

Hey PG66,

Thanks for starting this thread

You are an inspiration to others. Your youtube and instagram stories are not only entertaining but inspirational. Thank you for doing what you do.

I think most people would want to financially help but sometimes don't know how to i.e. who to contact. This would be the case for me. I live in the west kootenays and have no idea who here traps. Since we are hot on this topic, I think we could perhaps start a separate thread that would contain contact info for active trappers. And maybe we can sticky that thread. If people feel that there are privacy issues with that, how about a contact list at local firearm stores? I am sure they would be happy to help. This way a person like me can access contact info easily, take the trapper out for a beer, and fund him/her to the best ability that one can.

Everybody has an opinion and not everybody is going to help. If people cant donate money, I think even a small thank you or taking the trapper out for a beer would keep him/her going.

[srupp]

Great to see you back here..I understand the hair straight back scenario.
Great words of wisdom bud.was in on 3 wolves getting shot over past 2 years..not enough.
I am on retirement disability but you speak the truth..going to donate $200 to the cause with a trapper I know..wish it were more.
Thank you for making sense .
Don't be such a stranger here,
Cheers
Another Steven

[guest]

Great to see you on here again PG66 !

My Hats off to you and your effort forward toward this. We should all be grateful.

Im certainly in on support of this and will throwing our best foot forward as a family of Hunters.

Thanks Again, it's people like you that make a difference .......

Hopefully some see the same thoughts and proven science on the G Bear as a top predator affecting ungulate populations. The rediculious new G Bear regulation brought on by the NDGreens does nothing to support all wildlife.

[Weatherby Fan]

Trappers association of BC

index.html (http://www.bctrappers.bc.ca/index.html)

[proguide66]

BINGO ! " no body knows". Why ?? because no one THINKS ABOUT IT ! Thanks for the post, start talking about it, don't stop! THAT is what gets shit done. :cool: And NEVER leave it to ANYONE else to get it done, doesn't happen that way.

[proguide66]

Great to see you on here again PG66 !

My Hats off to you and your effort forward toward this. We should all be grateful.

Im certainly in on support of this and will throwing our best foot forward as a family of Hunters.

Thanks Again, it's people like you that make a difference .......

Hopefully some see the same thoughts and proven science on the G Bear as a top predator affecting ungulate populations. The rediculious new G Bear regulation brought on by the NDGreens does nothing to support all wildlife.

Hey Howard !!!

The grizzly topic, there's another one. I already started a few fires 'solo' and launched a pretty good attack on the Suzuki FRAUDation as well the numb nuts sitting in 'power' in Victoria. My VERY informative post about Suzuki alone has reached over 100 thousand people. Like I said, you want to make a difference, YOU have to do it, no one else will. I'm 'all in' as of late when it comes to B.C.'s wildlife and hunters. I'll admit I lack in 'political correctness' but O WELL ! I'm making a difference, lol, get in my way, I'm shoving your ass aside !

[tomcat]

Yes wolf trapping specifically is very time consuming and costly considering the pelt value return. Incentive programs by a number of organizations thru the BCTA have been vary helpful but more is very desirable. IMO this is the place to organize and focus you incentive programs though.

[guest]

Hey Howard !!!

The grizzly topic, there's another one. I already started a few fires 'solo' and launched a pretty good attack on the Suzuki FRAUDation as well the numb nuts sitting in 'power' in Victoria. My VERY informative post about Suzuki alone has reached over 100 thousand people. Like I said, you want to make a difference, YOU have to do it, no one else will. I'm 'all in' as of late when it comes to B.C.'s wildlife and hunters. I'll admit I lack in 'political correctness' but O WELL ! I'm making a difference, lol, get in my way, I'm shoving your ass aside !

Love it PG ...... I too lack the correctness ..... First to admit it. But at times..... Even passionate hunters that love wildlife slice their own throats with what is put out there.

Im trying Steve, I'm trying. Lol

I'll be calling the Trappers association tomorrow.

Way as to go man !

[Salty]

Nice to see you back PG :) good to see you're still full of piss and vinegar and a man with a plan 8)

[Ourea]

He's back .....:smile:

[RE1960]

Yes wolf trapping specifically is very time consuming and costly considering the pelt value return. Incentive programs by a number of organizations thru the BCTA have been vary helpful but more is very desirable. IMO this is the place to organize and focus you incentive programs though.

Could BCTA set up a fund that all hunters could contribute to then fund trappers in all areas of BC , some areas may need more funds then other areas of province. I think this would be great as I hunt in different areas .

[tomcat]

Could BCTA set up a fund that all hunters could contribute to then fund trappers in all areas of BC , some areas may need more funds then other areas of province. I think this would be great as I hunt in different areas .Yes they could. They do it already through various other organizations.

[f350ps]

Yes they could. They do it already through various other organizations.
Tell us more, I'm all ears! K

[tigrr]

proguide66 thanks for the breath of fresh air.
I know a trapper who goes after wolves but says it take 60% of his time and only is 10% of his income. He got 5 of the 6 near me.
I asked him to share his snaring methods and learnt a bit about the funnels with multiple snares to the road kill moose parts. Maybe put up a tutorial on some of your more successful methods. Or just pm it to me!!
Time to go get a renewal of the trappers licence I once had.
retired and time to thin the preds.

[Piperdown]

Hey is Jazzy giving any money :mrgreen:

[dana]

Proguide, keep up the good work man. You are an inspiration to many!

[leadpillproductions]

Proguide if it flys put me down ill help out any way I can

[Weatherby Fan]

New Regulation Changes in effect immediately.........Its now mandatory for every BC hunter to take one wolf per year !

[Bugle M In]

Hey is Jazzy giving any money :mrgreen:

That's funny....love to see the personal cheque, and 66 can confirm when received...after it goes thru!

[steepNdeep]

Trapping wolves + hunter-funded = excellent idea!!

[tomcat]

Tell us more, I'm all ears! KContact the BCTA at 1-866-222-0454 or contact the Pres at 250-578-8338 or e-mail bd8344@telus.net

[gcreek]

Probably had something to do with your delivery.

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http://huntingbc.ca/forum/images/shades_of_green/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by twoSevenO http://huntingbc.ca/forum/images/shades_of_green/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=1966433#post1966433)
How can someone who can't really partake in predator hunting help with predator hunting?

I live in the LM and insuring my rig and driving a few hrs just to hunt a couple of hours during these short winter days isn't really feasible ....

Educate me on what we have where a guy could donate of and know it's going to a predator control ?



Send money,:smile: I am paying a mitigator to remove wolves to maybe keep a few more of my cattle alive. I am also doing a big favor for the local moose and caribo population. 6 down as of this morning


I would rather Noah had made rugs of the two wolves that boarded the Ark.

[Kill-da-wabbit]

I will be out this weekend in reg 3. I would like a couple of pelts for blankets, and who knows how long we will be able to target predators...

[Dash]

Thank you for the breath of fresh air/no bs post PG. Good to see you here! I'm fairly new here but have been spending my lunches the past few weeks watching your videos. (Love them by the way!) I'll definitely be contributing to this as well.

In case some people aren't aware, Steve has a lot of great videos up about wolf trapping as well. Definitely worth checking out.

[proguide66]

Side note for the curious.
If you think cutting back tags or shortening seasons for hunters is going to make a difference and make ungulate numbers go 'up' you are WRONG.
XXXX is eating YY - and THAT is it.
I am out for a quick snoop presently and my very first 2.5 minutes off pavement showed me brand new pack of 5 or 6 wolves fresh by this am. And THAT is how it has been all year 'anywhere' I have been in the Sea to Sky corridor alone.
Am as well at a farmers house this am listening directly to his report of "2 years ago 30ish deer out back , last year 15ish , this year 5, all year maybe 5.".
And he as well had LOTS of wolf trail cam pics stuffed in a folder to show me.

It is only one example and the very first pitt stop of my snoop this am.
Ill know soon what is going to go down and will fill all in shortly.

[guest]

This needs a bump ...... PG66 is doing his part ...... Let's do ours .

[trapman]

We don’t need talk we ACTION

[Gateholio]

. Sometimes it's just better to think and not say.

You might want to take your own advice here, so as not to hijack this thread.

[tigrr]

Hey Steve just found your videos. Thank you for those.

[charlie_horse]

I'll be donating a 100$ Steve. Spend a lot of time out the elaho and Squamish valley and see nothing but wolf track in any elk or moose track. Even had two wolves try and take my pup off leash from me at my side when buddy and I were looking for moose sheds. I'll still be praying that there is a maverick out there with some 1080 in the meantime.

[RCA Dog]

Well I won't be donating. I'll be getting my trapping license.

[Gateholio]

We finally get a productive thread going about predator control and what we can do to help, but some of you guys just want to fight, fight, fight....

Deleted a bunch of crap. No more bickering on this thread please, only going to say it once.

[willyqbc]

Wolf trapping takes time and money - period. Fur trappers do not specifically target wolves because it just doesn't pay the bills - period. Encourage and fund a wolf trapper and NO, not 'by the wolf'. You fund his time, gear, fuel, get him going after them NOW.

Proguide, I would certainly contribute to some sort of bounty system, but would not consider donating to a "pay up front" system. I'm just way too skeptical of human nature for that. I can envision trappers pulling from the pot of money, then carrying on trapping the higher dollar critters, throwing out a few wolf sets just to say they did.

In your opinion....at what price point per wolf, would it make sense for a trapper to target wolves? I can envision a non profit society that buys wolf pelts from trappers at an inflated price to make it an attractive target species. The society then would sell the pelts at the regular auctions to offset some of the costs, hopefully hunters, ranchers etc fund the rest.

JMO
Chris

[Wild one]

Well I won't be donating. I'll be getting my trapping license.

Do your research into what it takes to get out and trap costs, regs, ext

Support anyone getting into trapping and enjoy it myself but it is tougher to go out and trap them getting into hunting. Plus trapping is tougher then many assume

Good luck

[whognu]

WHATS GOIN ON????? All you dorks still here?? lol

I haven't been here in a while, never have time. Had a few messages on other places asking me to chime in on some wolf talk here. Soooo....
I recall the first time I came on here years back was when I realised it was a great place to encourage people to hit wolves so I started a thread on it. That thread ( at the time) became the most hit thread in the history of the forum for a while real quick. Funny, in the first few posts on that thread I was attacked no stop from all angles including a few ego dented HBC member idiots, clubs and first nation band offices....but I held my ground, fought back and off the thread went in the positive direction it SHOULD have from the beginning.
SO, I'm back ! lol I'll start a new thread on wolves, share what I KNOW below, what I could 'possibly' do and as well suggest what YOU can do.

The good thing about licensed trappers is they can go get them (wolves) without relying on a 'vote' or a green light from the gov. Wich means zero politics, opposition in anyway whether it a club or ministry, THEY CANT STOP US right 'now' so you better get shit going right now.

So, does trapping wolves work ?? YES.

Handful of years back I realised NO ONE was targeting wolves where I lived ( Pemberton) and as well, there was nothing but wolf stories coming from basically 'everyone' locally so I got my license and went after them. I had permission on 3 trap lines as well 2 private properties.( SOMEONE had to do it).
Take note the local club had been counting spring mountain goats for somewhere around 20 years as well had electronic deer counters for nearly the same.
I used my experienced wolf trapping guide partners from up north as reference non stop as well past experience from going with them up north and added my own tricks the wolves taught me and applied all of it.
I killed a lot of them.
I think year 2 or 3 the local club had the "highest kid count in the history of counting them" as well the same results with the deer count, "highest spring number return".
Some may argue it wasn't trapping that cause this, I KNOW it was.

I QUIT

Why? because after $10k ( YES, at least $10k. sled, course, fuel, gear, NOT including time) of my own money, hundreds of hours of my time, numerous attacks from local IDIOTS ( including local club members) and the fact where I was doing it I never hunted anyway, I finally shook my head with "WTF, SCREW EM, enjoy your pooches C-YA"
And you know what else, I never even received a frickin 6 pack of beer from people who hunted there - ZERO.
I did however get permission to kill wolves near some big horn sheep in other areas and as well was called on from some ranchers in reg 3 to clean up wolves so I happily travelled to those places and made a difference.

NOW WHAT

Well, locally ( Squamish to Goldbridge) predators are literally EVERYWHERE, ( as well the rest of the province). WHY? mild winters, easy access via man made roads, thats why- end of story.

WHAT CAN YOU DO?

#1, hunting them isn't going to do shit. I hunt basically full time, 45 days straight in reg two as just a small portion and have NEVER shot a wolf in reg 2. ( due to terrain) So, all you guys offering to go out and shoot them, that's great, enthusiasm is super but as far as 'that' fixing a 'problem', aint gonna happen. Not from the ground anyway.

FUND A TRAPPER

Wolf trapping takes time and money - period. Fur trappers do not specifically target wolves because it just doesn't pay the bills - period. Encourage and fund a wolf trapper and NO, not 'by the wolf'. You fund his time, gear, fuel, get him going after them NOW. It takes time to get good at it, time to figure out where they go, when and how to nail them if the trapper has not specifically been after them in the past. And, there is many of us who can throw down tips and tricks to get it done efficiently.

AM I GOING TO DO IT?

I might. I am in the position I could do it full time if I chose.
Currently the Squamish band wants me to do something, locals want me to hit it as well various private property owners.
Am I going to drop $1.00 of my money to do it? NOT A DIME. I did that, now its hunters turn to do it.
Believe me, there's a lot more fun things to do on this planet for the winter than go trapping wolves full time. Especially when you have to deal with the non stop attack the entire time by NON hunters AND hunters alike. BUT, it is out of control this is a fact. ( I've never really been one to really give a fck what anyone thinks - but.)
There was fresh wolf sign on EVERY trail I hunted this year and as well easily less than 50% of the deer there was say 5 years ago.( I run over 20 cameras over a 30 mile stretch non stop).

TRAPPING CAUSES MORE WOLVES

Prove it !!!

Here's the deal. Wolves kill wolves more than anything else. You wack a bunch of a pack, next time they bump into that rival pack, they done for.
Wolves are as well VERY intelligent. I hammered on a pack near a popular wintering zone, the survivors realised it wasn't a good place to hang out and they left. This doesn't last too long though so 4ish years later, wolves are back at it and going strong.

As an example of HOW you can make a difference. 'If or when' I make the decision to do this in Reg 2, I'll let all know via social media and set up an 'Ungulate Enhancement Fund' with a go fund me thing ( or whatever) and you can throw down that way. I'm still on the fence because it won't be a casual task, you either go ALL IN or nothing and ALL IN = a shit load of time of life and effort. But 'all in' gets it done.

There's another trapper up north. He WAS killing 40 and 50 plus a year. He QUIT !! WHY? because it was all coming out of his pocket , that's why.

Note,

When you DO KNOW first hand what eliminating predators does and you see ZERO interest or offered help from people who are avid ungulate hunters it makes you shake your head so much its stupid. REALLY??????? WTF??????
Every hunter reading this, ask your self how much $ you threw down in the past toward any kind of wolf control ?? OR if you even looked into it ??

So there ya go boys and girls. Collars, studies, votes, blah blah effing blah........ none needed, nothing new to learn.
You want to make a difference immediately ? Encourage a trapper and fund them - period.
It's simple easy math to justify it. XXXX is eating YY full time?? change it to X is eating YYY as fast as you can, cant describe it any more clear !



Anway, there ya go.

If I find some time, I might share a blacktail story or two on here later maybe,

LATER !!
:mrgreen:

first thanks for doing what appears to be 'more than your fair share' of this pesky wolf issue

I am happy to send along $200 per year until such times as the 'problem' does not exist; given that wolves are my problem and I have no interest in
taking action myself

random thoughts on what the program actually looks like and asking for clarification

- do I have any legal liability by funding this action?

- is this program going to be set up to reward activity or results?

- who would qualify to be considered as a participant?

- I suspect to goal will be to get more qualified people in the field; not necessarily just more money to the people already doing the activity

- personally I have no problem allocating some of the monies to those already in the business of trapping wolves (ie. ranchers)

- if allocating money by results it seems fairly straight fwd; time dated dead pix, here's your cash

- if by activity it likely makes most sense to allocate most monies to active trappers vs first timers

- maybe a combo; every trapper gets a set sum for expenses and then a 'bonus' for results

- one obvious issue is people not wanting to contribute to the population reduction in an area they do not hunt; my area (lower rain land), has no wolves............plenty of cougars.......and under sexed 50 years olds..........a different thread

- I personally have no issue funding the activity, wherever it is conducted; believing that it benefits wildlife as a whole

- the hope being that if this 'program' is successful, perhaps many 'new' trappers might come forward and the program would naturally build upon itself

- I would be very surprised if most trappers were not honorable people; yet for those not as trusting as me, a quick video clip of the ear being cut off would eliminate several claims on the same kill

- maybe a big prepaid gas card for all to start?

that's where I am on this, pls let me know where we go from here

chris

[proguide66]

My #1 motivation and suggestion I am dropping here is for everyone to DO SOMETHING. 'Anything' !!!! One of the reasons I have little time 'here' anymore is I mostly see the same people talking/arguing about the 'same things' and NOTHING changing or getting done - NOTHING.
What I KNOW is, predators are killin it, period. "waiting' for the govt or 'anyone' to do something isn't going to do shit. Hitting a 'like' button is a good gesture but that doesn't do SHIT either. The power of social media gives each of YOU the direct power to do something and without having to wait for anyone's approval.
If I wanted to make a difference and was at the mercy of some 'boards' approval, I'd be siting here for 5 years arguing with people and nothing would happen.
SO, I suggest to ANYONE and everyone, IF you want to make a difference RIGHT NOW and where you hunt,( I'm taking winter 2018 NOT years from now), I would STRONGLY suggest YOU start talking to people, find out WHO can do it, go find them speak to them or someone who knows them and GET ON IT. Sitting here gazing at this screen isnt going to do SHIT. Meet with them, look into their history, make sure they WILL get the job done and throw down 'something'.

Here's a solid example of lack of contribution from hunters ( without motivating them).
"Trapman" blatantly informed you all he drilled out over 100 hrs of time, who knows how much in equipment and fuel, and took care of 5 wolves. THAT alone helped out every person who actively hunts ungulates within a possible 80 or so mile radius of where he did this. NOW, how many of you are even curious of where he did this and thought about 'possibly' encouraging him to do more and make a BIG difference by throwing down a few $ for his time, effort and costs ?? HOW MANY ?

When I first started out 10 years ago, I did it to make a difference. I am not a fur trapper, I don't have time for it, my year is insanely booked up, all there is to it. I am a licensed problem solver when it comes to wolves - period. THAT is 100% the only reason I got licensed and got after it, to solve problems.
I received lots of 'pats on the back' , thanks yous etc, and not a penny offered up. And know what? I never even hunted where I solved the problems. I took a shit load of flack, a piss load of attacks by local and out of town IDIOTS, death threats daily on social media ( ok, I kinda get a kick out of those actually but still...), but I still got it done, many benefited from it and it cost me THOUSANDS $$$$$.
SO, here we are AGAIN. Predators across western Canada are going OFF. Everyone is seeing the results, tags and seasons are getting shortened and hunting is becoming less appealing to get into for new hunters. Its a 100% negative snowball effect on hunting as a whole.
Can I make a difference where I am ?? YES. There are 3 or more people I can rally to make a difference ranging from Squamish TO Goldbridge. Now you take a look at that line, figure out where wolves can cross it and how far on either side. Now you can easily see if YOU hunt in any of those areas and what the hunting was like there OR how much predator sign you saw.
SO, if you could as an example in Reg 2 and 3) would you donate to 3 or more people to make hunting BETTER for you???? NOW ?? Or would you rather sit back on a key board and read about people sweating their asses off, dropping THEIR $$ to make YOUR hunting better?? OR, flat out see nothing being done - at all.

I could be ripping around the planet for the winter again, it beats the F$%#k out of wolf trapping I'll guarantee that, and its actually cheaper to leave then stay here for the winter!!

SO, am I going to donate the next 3 months to solving a BIG problem for all you guys and fund it?? Sorry, NOPE, did that a bunch of years, it got old real fast.
Watching fellow hunters do shit and show zero interest in remedying a serious problem really frustrates me to the core. Poor ungulate numbers means poor hunting which means less tags which also causes shorter or closed seasons which also ( VERY importantly) means new hunter recruitment gets killed. It also creates finger pointing and in fighting. Ultimately, its not 'just wolves' which this activity is about - GET IT YET ???

Do I care enough to donate 3 months of full time struggle and freezing my ass off to take care of a problem and make shit BETTER for all the above mentioned? OF COURSE, I'm leading the effing charge !!!

SO, bottom line is, WHO THE EFF CARES TOO ??????????

Here's your chance boys and girls, DO SOMETHING !!!! Cant do it yourself? get OFF your ass, find out WHO CAN and motivate them directly - period. Trapman is sitting right HERE right now as an example, E transfer him some $$ for gas and time and motivate him to stay on it, hes killing it !!! Ask him where ( roughly) he is making a difference !!

There's 3 or more guys in the NE who are frickin wolf assasins, CONTACT THEM, speak with them, find out what they need to get it done and make a difference. I know FIRST HAND they quit because no one is helping - period.
It seriously blew me away 10 years ago how many of you just DON'T GET IT when it comes t predation, seriously frustrates the shit out of me. 'Burn this, burn that, make a fence here, there, on and on.......... you want to create higher ungulate numbers??? STOP THEM FROM GETTING GOBBLED UP FIRST, then help feed them and protect them with fences !!

Here's another example of how managing predation makes common sense. Few years back, money dropped to move some sheep to another area.......did ANYONE check first to see if there was a high probability they would be gobbled up from a high wolf population FIRST??? maybe cut the wolves in the drop area back a bit BEFORE that kind of money gets dropped, THEN transplant the animals !!!! YA THINK ????

Thinning out the predators should be EVERYONE'S #1 concern. Its very easy simple math and common sense.
Can you kill em all? NO. Do we want to ? NO. " leave nature alone" - WE ARE A PART OF NATURE !!
When predator numbers get high, predators kill each other when they can to keep the natural 'high and low' cycle moving. HUMANS are a part of nature and HUMANS as well kill predators when their numbers get high and THAT is natural, it is THE WAY IT WORKS.

Anyway, on that note, I'm jumping in my truck after hitting the 'post' button on here to go seek out wolf sign AGAIN, speak with more people AGAIN, see if-where and when I will make a difference, AGAIN.

If I decide to, I'm going to get it done and I am going to do it full time. And YOU GUYS are going to take part one way or another to help or screw it, I'm chasing the sun for 3 months.
PS, I already killed a pack a month ago !

What have YOU done??

Suggestion, if you are sitting here reading shit....take another turn, email someone who can make a difference, find out where and spend your time online doing THAT instead of nothing.

[Fisher-Dude]

What have YOU done??


Worked for 6 years straight to get a wolf season opened in region 8.

What did it cost me, in time and money, to commute to many meetings and gather information to support the rationale and viability of the proposal? Lots, but I don't care.

My concern was getting a science-based season opened up and creating a hunting opportunity that was facing considerable resistance from the anti-hunting/wolf hugging forces.

[Wild one]

Worked for 6 years straight to get a wolf season opened in region 8.

What did it cost me, in time and money, to commute to many meetings and gather information to support the rationale and viability of the proposal? Lots, but I don't care.

My concern was getting a science-based season opened up and creating a hunting opportunity that was facing considerable resistance from the anti-hunting/wolf hugging forces.


Good work

Have you taken part in this season?

[decker9]

Makes total sense what PG is saying here. Iv tried the past few seasons to snare wolves, the learning curve is no easy task. I live on my line, money and time is not my problem, but being taught the right way to snare wolves, is a problem. Iv hunted/trapped the same area since I was a wee boy, I know where the ungulets winter, I know the wolves patterns for the most part, but regardless of my sets, (blind or bait) Iv never been able to hook up, but have come close.

If you were to ever ever put on a seminar PG, I’d definitely take the time off work to attend, and would be happy to contribute to make it worth your while. There are a lot of trappers here that don’t target wolves, but they would gladly let another trapper set up on their line for wolves. If I had the know how, I’d be happy to take part in helping other local trappers set up for wolves.

If a seminar is ever in the planning, be sure to sign me up!!

[labguy]

first thanks for doing what appears to be 'more than your fair share' of this pesky wolf issue

I am happy to send along $200 per year until such times as the 'problem' does not exist; given that wolves are my problem and I have no interest in
taking action myself

random thoughts on what the program actually looks like and asking for clarification

- do I have any legal liability by funding this action?

- is this program going to be set up to reward activity or results?

- who would qualify to be considered as a participant?

- I suspect to goal will be to get more qualified people in the field; not necessarily just more money to the people already doing the activity

- personally I have no problem allocating some of the monies to those already in the business of trapping wolves (ie. ranchers)

- if allocating money by results it seems fairly straight fwd; time dated dead pix, here's your cash

- if by activity it likely makes most sense to allocate most monies to active trappers vs first timers

- maybe a combo; every trapper gets a set sum for expenses and then a 'bonus' for results

- one obvious issue is people not wanting to contribute to the population reduction in an area they do not hunt; my area (lower rain land), has no wolves............plenty of cougars.......and under sexed 50 years olds..........a different thread

- I personally have no issue funding the activity, wherever it is conducted; believing that it benefits wildlife as a whole

- the hope being that if this 'program' is successful, perhaps many 'new' trappers might come forward and the program would naturally build upon itself

- I would be very surprised if most trappers were not honorable people; yet for those not as trusting as me, a quick video clip of the ear being cut off would eliminate several claims on the same kill

- maybe a big prepaid gas card for all to start?

that's where I am on this, pls let me know where we go from here

chris

And you wonder why nothing ever gets done........

[Fisher-Dude]

Good work

Have you taken part in this season?

Yup. Success? Bah. But I'll keep trying. I have several friends who've scored though, and that makes it even more worth it for me.

[Pemby_mess]

Makes total sense what PG is saying here. Iv tried the past few seasons to snare wolves, the learning curve is no easy task. I live on my line, money and time is not my problem, but being taught the right way to snare wolves, is a problem. Iv hunted/trapped the same area since I was a wee boy, I know where the ungulets winter, I know the wolves patterns for the most part, but regardless of my sets, (blind or bait) Iv never been able to hook up, but have come close.

If you were to ever ever put on a seminar PG, I’d definitely take the time off work to attend, and would be happy to contribute to make it worth your while. There are a lot of trappers here that don’t target wolves, but they would gladly let another trapper set up on their line for wolves. If I had the know how, I’d be happy to take part in helping other local trappers set up for wolves.

If a seminar is ever in the planning, be sure to sign me up!!

I'd second this - PG, your videos and discussion on here lead to an immeasurable increase in my blacktail still- hunting game. I'd definitely commit a reasonable amount of money to fund a trapping/hunting seminar put on by you.

i don't know how comitted to trapping in actually be. But I'm interested in it enough to invest in some basic knowledge, and then who knows........

[Wild one]

Yup. Success? Bah. But I'll keep trying. I have several friends who've scored though, and that makes it even more worth it for me.

Without traps I fail too lol

[gcreek]

First, I want to say that I am in support of most every effort to help whittle away at the wolf issue.

Having said that, I also feel the bandaid effort put forth by BCCA and BCTA to train every person who wanted plus the Girl Guides in BC to trap (a few) wolves has really resulted in a whole lot of trap shy or wise wolves. I have what many consider one of the best wolf trappers there is killing them for us and pack after pack has knowledge of traps from somewhere else. What was once a simple, straight forward protocol has become a costly experience when a wolf is caught and the whole pack disappears for two weeks and traps are frozen down next visit. Or the packs that scratch pans and they have to be set light enough that unwanted coyotes set them off. Or catching wolves that have pulled out of an inferior trap.

There is also the issue of forgotten snares (and there are lots of them) hanging non target animals like deer, cougar and cows.

So please, if this is to be any kind of funding, please make it to the top guys that are fully capable of removing the whole pack effectively and not just training more wolves to avoid sets.

Just another view from the bush, I am in support if done correctly.

That actually starts by keeping quiet about it and flying legally under the radar. It's usually the crowing rooster that goes in the stewpot first.........

[proguide66]

First, I want to say that I am in support of most every effort to help whittle away at the wolf issue.

Having said that, I also feel the bandaid effort put forth by BCCA and BCTA to train every person who wanted plus the Girl Guides in BC to trap (a few) wolves has really resulted in a whole lot of trap shy or wise wolves.Can you back this statement up some how?? I have what many consider one of the best wolf trappers there is killing them for us and pack after pack has knowledge of traps from somewhere else.(did the wolves tell you this??) What was once a simple, straight forward protocol has become a costly experience when a wolf is caught and the whole pack disappears for two weeks and traps are frozen down next visit(who's fault was this?) Or the packs that scratch pans and they have to be set light enough that unwanted coyotes set them off.((this is a known fact of the game - set them better next time) Or catching wolves that have pulled out of an inferior trap( where was this inferior trap? who set it? which wolf told you about it?).

There is also the issue of forgotten snares (and there are lots of them) hanging non target animals like deer, cougar and cows.

So please, if this is to be any kind of funding, please make it to the top guys that are fully capable of removing the whole pack effectively and not just training more wolves to avoid sets.

Just another view from the bush, I am in support if done correctly.

"That actually starts by keeping quiet about it " Umm - "(and there are lots of them) hanging non target animals like deer, cougar and cows " WHY would you even DREAM about typing these words on a public forum if you WEREN'T AN ANTI TRAPPER ???

and flying legally under the radar. It's usually the crowing rooster that goes in the stewpot first.........


I dont think you realise it, but your post just did potentially MORE damage for trapping as whole than it did anything !

"that actually starts by keeping quiet about it" then go on to post about alleged " forgotten snares "LOTS OF THEM" hanging off deer cougar and cows" ??

SERIOUSLY ??????

I'm pretty certain there isn't one trapper on here NOT cringing at your post. What a pile of 'alleged' negative statements as well negative statements targeted at 'alleged other licensed trappers' with no names or solid proof or instances to backup your claims.


OK you guys, I would STRONGLY SUGGEST that ANY posts on here be constructive and HELP the cause as well HELP trapping as whole. Making a bit of a rant as the above post did directly fuels a shit load of anti trapping - period as well infighting, which we DO NOT NEED at all costs.

I would also suggest there be ZERO mention ( even in a comedic way) of 'poisons' here. First it is illegal, second it will NOT be happening and third, we DO NOT NEED a quote of 'poison' being taken off this site and used against us somewhere where it hurts.

We need 100% positive action and words, thats it !

[brownmancheng]

My #1 motivation and suggestion I am dropping here is for everyone to DO SOMETHING. 'Anything' !!!! One of the reasons I have little time 'here' anymore is I mostly see the same people talking/arguing about the 'same things' and NOTHING changing or getting done - NOTHING.
What I KNOW is, predators are killin it, period. "waiting' for the govt or 'anyone' to do something isn't going to do shit. Hitting a 'like' button is a good gesture but that doesn't do SHIT either. The power of social media gives each of YOU the direct power to do something and without having to wait for anyone's approval.
If I wanted to make a difference and was at the mercy of some 'boards' approval, I'd be siting here for 5 years arguing with people and nothing would happen.
SO, I suggest to ANYONE and everyone, IF you want to make a difference RIGHT NOW and where you hunt,( I'm taking winter 2018 NOT years from now), I would STRONGLY suggest YOU start talking to people, find out WHO can do it, go find them speak to them or someone who knows them and GET ON IT. Sitting here gazing at this screen isnt going to do SHIT. Meet with them, look into their history, make sure they WILL get the job done and throw down 'something'.

Here's a solid example of lack of contribution from hunters ( without motivating them).
"Trapman" blatantly informed you all he drilled out over 100 hrs of time, who knows how much in equipment and fuel, and took care of 5 wolves. THAT alone helped out every person who actively hunts ungulates within a possible 80 or so mile radius of where he did this. NOW, how many of you are even curious of where he did this and thought about 'possibly' encouraging him to do more and make a BIG difference by throwing down a few $ for his time, effort and costs ?? HOW MANY ?

When I first started out 10 years ago, I did it to make a difference. I am not a fur trapper, I don't have time for it, my year is insanely booked up, all there is to it. I am a licensed problem solver when it comes to wolves - period. THAT is 100% the only reason I got licensed and got after it, to solve problems.
I received lots of 'pats on the back' , thanks yous etc, and not a penny offered up. And know what? I never even hunted where I solved the problems. I took a shit load of flack, a piss load of attacks by local and out of town IDIOTS, death threats daily on social media ( ok, I kinda get a kick out of those actually but still...), but I still got it done, many benefited from it and it cost me THOUSANDS $$$$$.
SO, here we are AGAIN. Predators across western Canada are going OFF. Everyone is seeing the results, tags and seasons are getting shortened and hunting is becoming less appealing to get into for new hunters. Its a 100% negative snowball effect on hunting as a whole.
Can I make a difference where I am ?? YES. There are 3 or more people I can rally to make a difference ranging from Squamish TO Goldbridge. Now you take a look at that line, figure out where wolves can cross it and how far on either side. Now you can easily see if YOU hunt in any of those areas and what the hunting was like there OR how much predator sign you saw.
SO, if you could as an example in Reg 2 and 3) would you donate to 3 or more people to make hunting BETTER for you???? NOW ?? Or would you rather sit back on a key board and read about people sweating their asses off, dropping THEIR $$ to make YOUR hunting better?? OR, flat out see nothing being done - at all.

I could be ripping around the planet for the winter again, it beats the F$%#k out of wolf trapping I'll guarantee that, and its actually cheaper to leave then stay here for the winter!!

SO, am I going to donate the next 3 months to solving a BIG problem for all you guys and fund it?? Sorry, NOPE, did that a bunch of years, it got old real fast.
Watching fellow hunters do shit and show zero interest in remedying a serious problem really frustrates me to the core. Poor ungulate numbers means poor hunting which means less tags which also causes shorter or closed seasons which also ( VERY importantly) means new hunter recruitment gets killed. It also creates finger pointing and in fighting. Ultimately, its not 'just wolves' which this activity is about - GET IT YET ???

Do I care enough to donate 3 months of full time struggle and freezing my ass off to take care of a problem and make shit BETTER for all the above mentioned? OF COURSE, I'm leading the effing charge !!!

SO, bottom line is, WHO THE EFF CARES TOO ??????????

Here's your chance boys and girls, DO SOMETHING !!!! Cant do it yourself? get OFF your ass, find out WHO CAN and motivate them directly - period. Trapman is sitting right HERE right now as an example, E transfer him some $$ for gas and time and motivate him to stay on it, hes killing it !!! Ask him where ( roughly) he is making a difference !!

There's 3 or more guys in the NE who are frickin wolf assasins, CONTACT THEM, speak with them, find out what they need to get it done and make a difference. I know FIRST HAND they quit because no one is helping - period.
It seriously blew me away 10 years ago how many of you just DON'T GET IT when it comes t predation, seriously frustrates the shit out of me. 'Burn this, burn that, make a fence here, there, on and on.......... you want to create higher ungulate numbers??? STOP THEM FROM GETTING GOBBLED UP FIRST, then help feed them and protect them with fences !!

Here's another example of how managing predation makes common sense. Few years back, money dropped to move some sheep to another area.......did ANYONE check first to see if there was a high probability they would be gobbled up from a high wolf population FIRST??? maybe cut the wolves in the drop area back a bit BEFORE that kind of money gets dropped, THEN transplant the animals !!!! YA THINK ????

Thinning out the predators should be EVERYONE'S #1 concern. Its very easy simple math and common sense.
Can you kill em all? NO. Do we want to ? NO. " leave nature alone" - WE ARE A PART OF NATURE !!
When predator numbers get high, predators kill each other when they can to keep the natural 'high and low' cycle moving. HUMANS are a part of nature and HUMANS as well kill predators when their numbers get high and THAT is natural, it is THE WAY IT WORKS.

Anyway, on that note, I'm jumping in my truck after hitting the 'post' button on here to go seek out wolf sign AGAIN, speak with more people AGAIN, see if-where and when I will make a difference, AGAIN.

If I decide to, I'm going to get it done and I am going to do it full time. And YOU GUYS are going to take part one way or another to help or screw it, I'm chasing the sun for 3 months.
PS, I already killed a pack a month ago !

What have YOU done??

Suggestion, if you are sitting here reading shit....take another turn, email someone who can make a difference, find out where and spend your time online doing THAT instead of nothing.

fair enough! well put.. I have just emt trapman 100 dollars to get started I challenge you all to contribute something to trapper of your choice!

I will be locating the trapper In my hunting area and donating to the cause. (know the trapline number but not individual)

pg66 let me know what u decide. no problem helping out!!

[brownmancheng]

post here whomever does contribute t9 motivate the others!! let the floodgates open!!

[proguide66]

fair enough! well put.. I have just emt trapman 100 dollars to get started I challenge you all to contribute something to trapper of your choice!

I will be locating the trapper In my hunting area and donating to the cause. (know the trapline number but not individual)

pg66 let me know what u decide. no problem helping out!!


FU$%KING RIGHTS !!!! THATS WHAT IM TALKING BOUT !!!!!!

There isn't a rancher alive that doesn't take care of his herd !! OUR game animals are OUR HERD. They getting gobbled up too fast, WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT FAST !!!

Wasn't that simple and quick ?? NO letters, NO vote, NO waitting for SHIT ! BOOM - problem getting solves as we type. BEAUTIFUL !!!

NOW, get this ball rolling and EVERYONE tend to OUR HERD NOW !!!

[leadpillproductions]

I'm still trying to find out whos trapping chetwynd area?

FU$%KING RIGHTS !!!! THATS WHAT IM TALKING BOUT !!!!!!

There isn't a rancher alive that doesn't take care of his herd !! OUR game animals are OUR HERD. They getting gobbled up too fast, WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT FAST !!!

Wasn't that simple and quick ?? NO letters, NO vote, NO waitting for SHIT ! BOOM - problem getting solves as we type. BEAUTIFUL !!!

NOW, get this ball rolling and EVERYONE tend to OUR HERD NOW !!!

[steveo]

I will submit some food for thought on behalf of the nervous bunch that don't want to donate to a general trapper who may or may not wear the label as a wolf trapper. Even if a trapper doesn't put up big wolf numbers every year they do a lot to boost wildlife and fish numbers which benefit hunters and fishermen. Lots of other predators trappers keep in check, so would it not be a wise investment to help them a little anyway and hopefully they smack a wolf or two along the way.

[gcreek]

I dont think you realise it, but your post just did potentially MORE damage for trapping as whole than it did anything !

"that actually starts by keeping quiet about it" then go on to post about alleged " forgotten snares "LOTS OF THEM" hanging off deer cougar and cows" ??

SERIOUSLY ??????

I'm pretty certain there isn't one trapper on here NOT cringing at your post. What a pile of 'alleged' negative statements as well negative statements targeted at 'alleged other licensed trappers' with no names or solid proof or instances to backup your claims.


OK you guys, I would STRONGLY SUGGEST that ANY posts on here be constructive and HELP the cause as well HELP trapping as whole. Making a bit of a rant as the above post did directly fuels a shit load of anti trapping - period as well infighting, which we DO NOT NEED at all costs.

I would also suggest there be ZERO mention ( even in a comedic way) of 'poisons' here. First it is illegal, second it will NOT be happening and third, we DO NOT NEED a quote of 'poison' being taken off this site and used against us somewhere where it hurts.

We need 100% positive action and words, thats it !

I know 3 ranchers personally that had calves hung in forgotten snares in the last 3 years. You want to call me a liar?

[dougan]

I know 3 ranchers personally that had calves hung in forgotten snares in the last 3 years. You want to call me a liar? let’s keep this positive boys and girls too much negativity all the time. Pg is lighting a fire under some buts here and that needs to be commended not pissed on!! You can talk about anything even Beer and someone will find a negative comment about it. So let’s keep our eye on the prize here please

[proguide66]

I know 3 ranchers personally that had calves hung in forgotten snares in the last 3 years. You want to call me a liar?


Maybe take it up with the owner of those 3 snares and possibly on another thread ! Slinging " lots on cougars deer and cows" sure as hell isnt doing anything for the cause is it?? Lashing out at people you don't even know WHO you are talking about ON THIS THREAD doesn't even make half a sense let alone any. " keeping it quite" were YOUR WORDS !!!!! WTF?????

Anyway, moving alone.........

[proguide66]

I am certain that could be an additional thread and great idea. But to keep it straight forward and simple, I'd suggest we keep this focussed on the task at hand , 'skilled' persons who can hit it and make a difference with our ungulates across the province. This is needed badly and has a positive effect on EVERYTHING up the line right into seasons, tags, quality of hunting and recruiting new hunters.

[gcreek]

I am certain that could be an additional thread and great idea. But to keep it straight forward and simple, I'd suggest we keep this focussed on the task at hand , 'skilled' persons who can hit it and make a difference with our ungulates across the province. This is needed badly and has a positive effect on EVERYTHING up the line right into seasons, tags, quality of hunting and recruiting new hunters.


Now you are making sense. Skilled, competent trappers are what is needed. Nothing more nor less.

[brownmancheng]

Now you are making sense. Skilled, competent trappers are what is needed. Nothing more nor less.

pm me your email I will send also send you a 100 emt to help fund your wolf trapping...if you want to shoot me a pic or two that would be a bonus..

I suggested this on another thread (that hbc is an organization that can do what it can to finance pred control, hunting PR etc..)
all.i got was crickets.

seems everyone just wants to sit around and bitch. put up or shut up! DO SOMETHING... TIME IS NOW!!!!

we also have another thread "would you be ok with a tax.. ." most people said can't trust government blah blah blah.. well HERE this is your chance! YOU deciding where the funds go!

[Pinewood]

How can we find out who does the trapping and where?

[brownmancheng]

How can we find out who does the trapping and where?

If you Google bc traplines you can download a map of trap lines. just find the number as I havealresdy done . I will be calling bcta tmrw to see if I can get contact number

[leadpillproductions]

Lol I got to be stupid I cant find anything wtf lol

If you Google bc traplines you can download a map of trap lines. just find the number as I havealresdy done . I will be calling bcta tmrw to see if I can get contact number

[brownmancheng]

should be able to.find here

Traplines of British Columbia - Datasets - Data Catalogue

https://catalogue.data.gov.bc.ca › dataset

[HarryToolips]

Good info proguide....I know a local trapper, have been planning on talking to him, will try to help him out/fund him..

[Gateholio]

One of the great things about an initiative like this is that there is no need to be "politically correct"

For various reasons government and organizations can be throttled by the requirement to appease the public and/or members.

A program like this is purely grassroots, and frankly, grassroots projects are often the ones that actually get things done. Long before government started poking their noses into every aspect of our lives, communities would get together to work on something for mutual benefit and just "git'r'dun"

This sort of grassroots thing still happens today, often in rural areas, but also in urban places, when people decide to just do something. Actually, it's interesting to see this happening more and more in urban areas where people have given up on gv't and do their own thing. Gv't freaks out because they have lost control, so then the people make lots of noise, and gv't capitulates. So it's not just rural people that lose faith in government and take things into their own hands.

Grassroots. Find a trapper that is willing to target wolves. Give him some money to make it worthwhile (because he sure as hell won't make any money on wolf pelts) and get it done. Don't wait for gv't or someone else to control predators, help yourself.

Can you imagine how much better off our ungulate population will be in 2,3,5 years if every year we funded trappers to get wolves? 5 years of funded trappers targeting wolves? It could be immense!

And how much money you would save if there were less wolves? Horse280 had a funny but accurate post #5. How much do you want to spend for few results on your hunting trip compared to a small investment in predator control?

Find that trapper that is willing to target wolves and send him a few dollars. Even small amounts, they all count.

[charlie_horse]

not to hijack off wolves but could the same principle be applied to houndsman as far as cats are concerned? I'm not sure on the legalities of it and I understand the bag limit part of it but our muley area this year was littered with cougar track and besides loving to be apart of a hound hunt I think a few cats in that area would be advantageous for deer recruitment.

[trapman]

Hi Guys Just got back from the line and wanted to tell you how the day went, and how much work it takes to trap wolves. Day started actually yesterday picking up 600+ pounds of bait getting sleds and all the gear ready for trip to the line. We left a 5 am from the lower mainland, stopped in Hope for fuel and quick snack ($195). We were on the line ,unloaded and ready to go by 8 am. First bait pile is a short 23 KM ride by snow mobile (real bad snow 3' of soft stuff). Because for the amount of new snow ,all 38 snares had to be reset (close to 3 1/2 hours)also added 12 more (1 !/2 hours)on some to the new trailed coming into the bait. While I was doing this, Cole my 12 year old son made 3 trips back to the truck for more bait and refuel ($27)for a total of 92 KM . Next Bait pile only another 12 KM down the trail, reset 27 snares and add 9 new (4 hours) . Cole made one extra trip for bait ( 70 KM round trip ). We were Back at the truck at 7.15 and home at 10.20 . Did I mention that there was 3' of new snow , all your movement take 3 or 4 times as much energy when the snow is deeper than your waist. Resetting all the snares and dragging 600+ pounds of bait to the bait site would = a 3 KM hike through snow that is somewhere between you waist and chest, Thought I was having a hart attack a couple times. And I still have a few hours tomorrow cleaning up the equipment. So I hope this shows you just how much work goes into trapping wolves. And in a few days we will hit the other bait piles

[Gateholio]

Hi Guys Just got back from the line and wanted to tell you how the day went, and how much work it takes to trap wolves. Day started actually yesterday picking up 600+ pounds of bait getting sleds and all the gear ready for trip to the line. We left a 5 am from the lower mainland, stopped in Hope for fuel and quick snack ($195). We were on the line ,unloaded and ready to go by 8 am. First bait pile is a short 23 KM ride by snow mobile (real bad snow 3' of soft stuff). Because for the amount of new snow ,all 38 snares had to be reset (close to 3 1/2 hours)also added 12 more (1 !/2 hours)on some to the new trailed coming into the bait. While I was doing this, Cole my 12 year old son made 3 trips back to the truck for more bait and refuel ($27)for a total of 92 KM . Next Bait pile only another 12 KM down the trail, reset 27 snares and add 9 new (4 hours) . Cole made one extra trip for bait ( 70 KM round trip ). We were Back at the truck at 7.15 and home at 10.20 . Did I mention that there was 3' of new snow , all your movement take 3 or 4 times as much energy when the snow is deeper than your waist. Resetting all the snares and dragging 600+ pounds of bait to the bait site would = a 3 KM hike through snow that is somewhere between you waist and chest, Thought I was having a hart attack a couple times. And I still have a few hours tomorrow cleaning up the equipment. So I hope this shows you just how much work goes into trapping wolves. And in a few days we will hit the other bait piles

What general area you trapping?

Guys that hunt in this area should jump in with some dollars to make a difference....

This is how it's done guys, grassroots, not waiting for government or someone else to fix the problem. Heck the scariest words ever said are 'We are from the government, and we are here to help!" :)

[Ohwildwon]

Hi Guys Just got back from the line and wanted to tell you how the day went, and how much work it takes to trap wolves. Day started actually yesterday picking up 600+ pounds of bait getting sleds and all the gear ready for trip to the line. We left a 5 am from the lower mainland, stopped in Hope for fuel and quick snack ($195). We were on the line ,unloaded and ready to go by 8 am. First bait pile is a short 23 KM ride by snow mobile (real bad snow 3' of soft stuff). Because for the amount of new snow ,all 38 snares had to be reset (close to 3 1/2 hours)also added 12 more (1 !/2 hours)on some to the new trailed coming into the bait. While I was doing this, Cole my 12 year old son made 3 trips back to the truck for more bait and refuel ($27)for a total of 92 KM . Next Bait pile only another 12 KM down the trail, reset 27 snares and add 9 new (4 hours) . Cole made one extra trip for bait ( 70 KM round trip ). We were Back at the truck at 7.15 and home at 10.20 . Did I mention that there was 3' of new snow , all your movement take 3 or 4 times as much energy when the snow is deeper than your waist. Resetting all the snares and dragging 600+ pounds of bait to the bait site would = a 3 KM hike through snow that is somewhere between you waist and chest, Thought I was having a hart attack a couple times. And I still have a few hours tomorrow cleaning up the equipment. So I hope this shows you just how much work goes into trapping wolves. And in a few days we will hit the other bait piles

Awesome weekend!

And thanks for your efforts :cool:.

Just wondering, how does one go about obtaining 600lbs of bait?

[Gateholio]

Awesome weekend!

And thanks for your efforts :cool:.

Just wondering, how does one go about obtaining 600lbs of bait?

A farmer has a cow die :)

[trapman]

Well I just opened my email and I was blown away, Want to say a BIG THANK you to Browmancheng for the money you sent me. It feel great when you know someone is getting it and offers some help.

Gatehouse I have 2 lines ,Spuzzum to Lytton than across to just west of Merritt down to the old toll booths on the coquihalla

Hi Steve hope you don't think I am hijacking your thread , just want to get YOUR message out there.

Ohwildwon anywhere I can Get it , this year it has been great- Road kill from the CO's, dairy farmers ,ranchers and a couple of butcher seem to keep my 6
chest freezers full

[Gateholio]

Well I just opened my email and I was blown away, Want to say a BIG THANK you to Browmancheng for the money you sent me. It feel great when you know someone is getting it and offers some help.

Gatehouse I have 2 lines ,Spuzzum to Lytton than across to just west of Merritt down to the old toll booths on the coquihalla

Hi Steve hope you don't think I am hijacking your thread , just want to get YOUR message out there.

Ohwildwon anywhere I can Get it , this year it has been great- Road kill from the CO's, dairy farmers ,ranchers and a couple of butcher seem to keep my 6
chest freezers full

Boom!

There it is...A grassroots movement!

How many HBC'rs hunt in the area of Spuzzum to Lytton than across to just west of Merritt down to the old toll booths on the coquihalla

My guess is PLENTY of you! Here is your chance to help. $10, $25, $100? It all helps....

I don't speak for PG66 but as I know him quite well, I think he is going to be quite stoked that you are out doing something and someone has contributed to your efforts. It's all about funding your local trapper and/or the trapper where you like to hunt. If you live in the LML and hunt in Region 5, find those guys and fund them.

Wouldn't it be great to drive a day to your regular hunting camp spot and find deer and moose rather than wolf shit?

Predator control SAVES you money

[LBM]

not to hijack off wolves but could the same principle be applied to houndsman as far as cats are concerned? I'm not sure on the legalities of it and I understand the bag limit part of it but our muley area this year was littered with cougar track and besides loving to be apart of a hound hunt I think a few cats in that area would be advantageous for deer recruitment.

Hear this so often about both wolves and cats , theres tonnes of tracks or the area was littered with them. A area can be littered with tracks and be from one cat.
I don't call my self a houndsman but do look for cats. Easily spend $5000 to $7000 a year if things go right. Throw in a skidoo or truck issue, vet bill things add up
in a hurry. Then lose of wages so can do this, the total amount just gets stupid. But I choose to do this not trying to make a business out of I, but gives a bit of
an idea of costs of what goes into things.

[charlie_horse]

That's the thing I just don't have the 5 to 7k a year to spend on it. But if you can buya guy a tank of gas so he can get out there on a sunday or pitch in for a ferry etc. I'm well aware of what kind of track a single animal can make believe me. But when you know you know. There was a lot of cats this year. Lots of wolves a usual. And not nearly as much deer.

[gcreek]

pm me your email I will send also send you a 100 emt to help fund your wolf trapping...if you want to shoot me a pic or two that would be a bonus..

I suggested this on another thread (that hbc is an organization that can do what it can to finance pred control, hunting PR etc..)
all.i got was crickets.

seems everyone just wants to sit around and bitch. put up or shut up! DO SOMETHING... TIME IS NOW!!!!

we also have another thread "would you be ok with a tax.. ." most people said can't trust government blah blah blah.. well HERE this is your chance! YOU deciding where the funds go!


Not set up for that sorry.

If you still care to donate you could mail a cheque to Dave Brace
Box 3427
Anahim Lake BC
V0L 1C0

Send me your email and I can send you several photos.

Regards, Dave

[trapman]

Just some food for thought

- average age of wolf 8 years
- average breeding age 3 years
-average pups per year 5
-average number off deer killed by a wolf per year 20
-Average life of a breeding female wolf in her pack =5 years of breeding x 5 pups per year x 20 deer per year =500 DEER
-This does not take into account when wolves come into breeding ages many set out on their own to set up pack in new territories, and we see this by how fast and far we are seeing wolves appearing in areas that normally never had wolves

[proguide66]

Well I just opened my email and I was blown away, Want to say a BIG THANK you to Browmancheng for the money you sent me. It feel great when you know someone is getting it and offers some help.

Gatehouse I have 2 lines ,Spuzzum to Lytton than across to just west of Merritt down to the old toll booths on the coquihalla

Hi Steve hope you don't think I am hijacking your thread , just want to get YOUR message out there.

Ohwildwon anywhere I can Get it , this year it has been great- Road kill from the CO's, dairy farmers ,ranchers and a couple of butcher seem to keep my 6
chest freezers full

This is AWESOME !! And take note, this is OUR thread !!

I can only imagine how good it feels and how much more motivation you have now to get this job DONE with fellow hunters backing you.
THIS is what I was trying to get every one on here to do 10 frikkin years ago !!!

THIS IS HOW HUNTING GETS GREAT, this is the #1 route to awesome hunting, higher hunter numbers, higher new hunter recruitment !!
Which as well = larger hunter numbers for fighting bogus govt decision !!!

OMG I hope every person reading this thread GETS IT !!!! THIS is what needs to be done FIRST. You cant have tags for, seasons for, manage or protect game that barely exists !!!!


I would expect Trapmans inbox to be a little more FULL soon !!


As far as you reg 2 guys go. When I know I can hit this full time and do, be warned when I see you in the grocery store or side walk, I'm going to ask you flat out if you have contributed to where YOU hunt and ask you WHY NOT and make a note of it ! ( yes, I am going to shame the shit out of you !lol ).

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU can fix our #1 problem NOW, as in right now !!.

NO MORE 'votes'
NO MORE ' political correctness'
NO MORE emotionally driven, insecure 'concerned' input
NO MORE waiting for govt
NO MORE gazing at a screen doing nothing
NO MORE BULL SHIT.

This is how we should be doing everything!! I'll be submitting some VERY solid NE B.C. contacts shortly who would be VERY appreciative of some support and I know they would go at it twice as hard if there was some.

Lets go you guys, get this shit going !!

[trapman]

Just want to bring up the travel routes of a wolf, average distance a pack can travel is 70-80 miles and many well over 120 miles, One female that was collard in Banff, she made it all the way down to Montana and then was shot near Boston Bar2 years later . SO the wolves Steve get Pemberton or region 2 do play havoc in region 3 (beside each other)and may even travel as far as region 5

[proguide66]

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[325]

I haven’t read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been asked. I wonder if it would be possible to compile a list of successful wolf trappers provincewide, region by region, so that we can donate to Wolf trapping campaigns in the areas we hunt. I would be very interested in that

[Ohwildwon]

I haven’t read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been asked. I wonder if it would be possible to compile a list of successful wolf trappers provincewide, region by region, so that we can donate to Wolf trapping campaigns in the areas we hunt. I would be very interested in that

#metoo..:smile:

[Wild one]

You guys should really talk to the BCTA

No better way to find the wolf trappers of BC and the areas they are trapping

[Asco]

That’s called a 2 pronged approach. I approve of both.
Where to sign up ?

[finngun]

I haven’t read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been asked. I wonder if it would be possible to compile a list of successful wolf trappers provincewide, region by region, so that we can donate to Wolf trapping campaigns in the areas we hunt. I would be very interested in that

that is just FOOD of anties..they love to have list..

[guest]

Keep digging, DO NOT POST A TRAPPERS CONTACT LIST HERE ! THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT IM SURE.

through contacts of friends, BCTA, others on here. YOU CAN DO IT !

Either EMT, Gas card, check in the mail ....... Etc etc every bit helps these guys.

Just keep digging as I have ....... And if you can't find the trapper your specifically looking for ..... HELP ANOTHER !

HATS OFF to our two local HBC hero's that we can see here. PG66 and Trapman, way to go guys ! Wish I could join you on your line.

CT

[Wild one]

Keep digging, DO NOT POST A TRAPPERS CONTACT LIST HERE ! THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT IM SURE.

through contacts of friends, BCTA, others on here. YOU CAN DO IT !

Either EMT, Gas card, check in the mail ....... Etc etc every bit helps these guys.

Just keep digging as I have ....... And if you can't find the trapper your specifically looking for ..... HELP ANOTHER !

HATS OFF to our two local HBC hero's that we can see here. PG66 and Trapman, way to go guys ! Wish I could join you on your line.

CT

Agree 100% trappers would not be happy with a list put on a public forum

BCTA is the best option to reach trappers they have locals throughout BC.

[leadpillproductions]

what a pain in the ass , but I got peace list woooooooo hoooooo

[LBM]

Hi Guys Just got back from the line and wanted to tell you how the day went, and how much work it takes to trap wolves. Day started actually yesterday picking up 600+ pounds of bait getting sleds and all the gear ready for trip to the line. We left a 5 am from the lower mainland, stopped in Hope for fuel and quick snack ($195). We were on the line ,unloaded and ready to go by 8 am. First bait pile is a short 23 KM ride by snow mobile (real bad snow 3' of soft stuff). Because for the amount of new snow ,all 38 snares had to be reset (close to 3 1/2 hours)also added 12 more (1 !/2 hours)on some to the new trailed coming into the bait. While I was doing this, Cole my 12 year old son made 3 trips back to the truck for more bait and refuel ($27)for a total of 92 KM . Next Bait pile only another 12 KM down the trail, reset 27 snares and add 9 new (4 hours) . Cole made one extra trip for bait ( 70 KM round trip ). We were Back at the truck at 7.15 and home at 10.20 . Did I mention that there was 3' of new snow , all your movement take 3 or 4 times as much energy when the snow is deeper than your waist. Resetting all the snares and dragging 600+ pounds of bait to the bait site would = a 3 KM hike through snow that is somewhere between you waist and chest, Thought I was having a hart attack a couple times. And I still have a few hours tomorrow cleaning up the equipment. So I hope this shows you just how much work goes into trapping wolves. And in a few days we will hit the other bait piles

So what about the lynx and martin you not trapping them any more just targeting wolves now.

[rocksteady]

Proguide...

Is there any way that a semi skilled hubter can go to an area and kill wolves with a rifle? Or is trapping the ONLY to succeed?

I am not a trapper but love hunting..any tips or woukd i just be screwing things up for a trapper?

[trapman]

Please no list , I don’t think any trapper wants their contact info on a list that any antis can get their hands

[~T-BONE~]

Trapman thanks for your work! Question; many wolves snared up spussum? Just curious if they’re coming past the Nahatlatch. Last I knew they were in log crk

[trapman]

LBM ,I do still have a few boxes out for cats placed along the way to the bait piles.

T-Bone, I am on the east and north side of the lines right now. Will be looking into setting up some bait piles on the west side shortly. But this will depend on how much time I have. I will be heading up to a ranch in the Christian Valley to help out the wolf problem their ,sounds like there is a bunch

[ghunter4x4]

When you come through 8-9 I will throw in some wine, 1/2 case as payment.

[Seeker]

Firstly great work on getting this project off the ground gang. One concern I have is some individual taking advantage of the situation and simply taking cash. Before you all get angry, think about it. Donating blindly to a cause whose success we don't want to be openly advertising. There will be someone that eventually does this, guaranteed. I would be willing to help out a bit here and there, but I want some sort of confirmation that the money is being put to work and more importantly it's being effective. I would like some sort of accountability. How we do that is up to us.........

[proguide66]

Firstly great work on getting this project off the ground gang. One concern I have is some individual taking advantage of the situation and simply taking cash. Before you all get angry, think about it. Donating blindly to a cause whose success we don't want to be openly advertising. There will be someone that eventually does this, guaranteed. I would be willing to help out a bit here and there, but I want some sort of confirmation that the money is being put to work and more importantly it's being effective. I would like some sort of accountability. How we do that is up to us.........

This is easier to avoid than most realize. Known skilled wolf trappers are tough to impersonate.
We all know 'who is who' out there when it comes down to it. I'm doing a lot behind the scenes well beyond this forum. I'll have a great menu available soon.

[Seeker]

This is easier to avoid than most realize. Known skilled wolf trappers are tough to impersonate.
We all know 'who is who' out there when it comes down to it. I'm doing a lot behind the scenes well. Whine this forum. I'll have a great menu available soon.

I look forward to it.

[leadpillproductions]

Learning lots from your you tube channel.

[proguide66]

OK, I am working on a smooth method with a few guys I know who are VERY efficient and 100% solid. As I figure out WHO and 'where' we will let the area of interest be known here. if YOU hunt there, throw down !!! These guys are VERY happy with this news. Happy, eager, GOOD problem solvers is what we need moving.
All I requested from them is good solid numbers with a photo of wolves with the date in the photo ( even just 2018 in it) for the season end. Piece of paper, scribe it in the snow, whatever. We can post result pics here OR email them with final tally at season end to donors when they come in. We can possibly throw donor names in a hat and draw some prime dried and salted hides to give back.
Anyone has any input ( GOOD constructive input) drop it here.
As far as I am concerned, posting pics here shouldn't be a concern. It is a hunting forum, we have plastered dozens of wolf pics on here in the past. I as well have lots of videos on youtube, it hasn't stopped the activity. I don't care either way, just as long as we ALL do our part in what SHOULD BE the #1 priority when it comes to our game in B.C.
Why enhance 'anything' for ungulates if they are already gobbled up ? Lets get the numbers back where they should be and stay on top of it this time !!!

[leadpillproductions]

Sounds good , hope you got some northern guys

OK, I am working on a smooth method with a few guys I know who are VERY efficient and 100% solid. As I figure out WHO and 'where' we will let the area of interest be known here. if YOU hunt there, throw down !!! These guys are VERY happy with this news. Happy, eager, GOOD problem solvers is what we need moving.
All I requested from them is good solid numbers with a photo of wolves with the date in the photo ( even just 2018 in it) for the season end. Piece of paper, scribe it in the snow, whatever. We can post result pics here OR email them with final tally at season end to donors when they come in. We can possibly throw donor names in a hat and draw some prime dried and salted hides to give back.
Anyone has any input ( GOOD constructive input) drop it here.
As far as I am concerned, posting pics here shouldn't be a concern. It is a hunting forum, we have plastered dozens of wolf pics on here in the past. I as well have lots of videos on youtube, it hasn't stopped the activity. I don't care either way, just as long as we ALL do our part in what SHOULD BE the #1 priority when it comes to our game in B.C.
Why enhance 'anything' for ungulates if they are already gobbled up ? Lets get the numbers back where they should be and stay on top of it this time !!!

[dougan]

OK, I am working on a smooth method with a few guys I know who are VERY efficient and 100% solid. As I figure out WHO and 'where' we will let the area of interest be known here. if YOU hunt there, throw down !!! These guys are VERY happy with this news. Happy, eager, GOOD problem solvers is what we need moving.
All I requested from them is good solid numbers with a photo of wolves with the date in the photo ( even just 2018 in it) for the season end. Piece of paper, scribe it in the snow, whatever. We can post result pics here OR email them with final tally at season end to donors when they come in. We can possibly throw donor names in a hat and draw some prime dried and salted hides to give back.
Anyone has any input ( GOOD constructive input) drop it here.
As far as I am concerned, posting pics here shouldn't be a concern. It is a hunting forum, we have plastered dozens of wolf pics on here in the past. I as well have lots of videos on youtube, it hasn't stopped the activity. I don't care either way, just as long as we ALL do our part in what SHOULD BE the #1 priority when it comes to our game in B.C.
Why enhance 'anything' for ungulates if they are already gobbled up ? Lets get the numbers back where they should be and stay on top of it this time !!!
Your a good man !

[cybertoad]

Great work Proguide! I think people don't realize just how much work alone is going to find locations to trap. One of the problems is finding areas where that can happen as majority of traplines in the area are not active. Tonnes of leg work going on behind the scenes for this alone.

I will disagree with your thoughts on the associations. Yes they can be effective, but it also relates to those volunteering and they work each of those individuals put forward. Keeping low key on purpose, there is significant funding that goes each year to those who successfully trap wolves in the BCTA. Unfortunately not every wolf can be funded. Do totally agree more can be done to support the region you are focussing on! Proof is in the numbers since the program was started.

Trapman is a prime example. He is active in the local, hosted the advanced wolf training in the area last year! Trapman is a good trapper but never set for wolves. Great that he stepped up and made a real difference this year!

The trappers are out there working. Not hard for anyone to find and connect with them! Those whoa re trapping and produce results will be glad to have the support!

Doing my part, weeks of baiting so far! Fight to get out there in snow, order another $500 in snare parts, more bait, more check, more bait, more snow....make snares..one of these checks the pay back will come!

[Gateholio]

The trappers are out there working. Not hard for anyone to find and connect with them! Those whoa re trapping and produce results will be glad to have the support!

Doing my part, weeks of baiting so far! Fight to get out there in snow, order another $500 in snare parts, more bait, more check, more bait, more snow....make snares..one of these checks the pay back will come!

A little self promotion by trappers could be a good thing, get out talking to hunters in your area, spread the word that if they will help fund wolf control, you will make it happen. Hunters know other hunters who know other hunters...word can spread fast. Good luck on your trapping!

[proguide66]

Great work Proguide! I think people don't realize just how much work alone is going to find locations to trap. One of the problems is finding areas where that can happen as majority of traplines in the area are not active. Tonnes of leg work going on behind the scenes for this alone.

I will disagree with your thoughts on the associations. Yes they can be effective, but it also relates to those volunteering and they work each of those individuals put forward. Keeping low key on purpose, there is significant funding that goes each year to those who successfully trap wolves in the BCTA. Unfortunately not every wolf can be funded. Do totally agree more can be done to support the region you are focussing on! Proof is in the numbers since the program was started.

Trapman is a prime example. He is active in the local, hosted the advanced wolf training in the area last year! Trapman is a good trapper but never set for wolves. Great that he stepped up and made a real difference this year!

The trappers are out there working. Not hard for anyone to find and connect with them! Those whoa re trapping and produce results will be glad to have the support!

Doing my part, weeks of baiting so far! Fight to get out there in snow, order another $500 in snare parts, more bait, more check, more bait, more snow....make snares..one of these checks the pay back will come!

I haven't voiced any direct thoughts on any associations let it be known.
Have I had some negative interactions with a few different individuals who happened to be 'board members' of a 'few' different groups in the past? HELL YES. Those negative interactions were 100% ego fuelled and nothing less from ( only a few) but enough to completely block some VERY generous offers on my part which would have done some VERY serious good for B.C.'s wild life and outdoors people as a whole. Hell, ONE of the 'board members' even went ANTI TRAPPING and intentionally turned his trap line over to the ministry so there could be 'NO MORE TRAPPING EVER' again in those wolf infested hills - A BOARD MEMBER !!
Of course clubs and associations do good, but sometimes not enough where it really counts. Too many people are caught up in politics or worried 'how it looks' to others when bringing up predation issues ( I have heard it first hand), bow look where we are.
One thing I DO know is not only myself but a good handful of other wolf assassins are receiving ZERO assistance from anyone and ZERO attention from anyone for what they are doing. A little disvheartening but whatever, it is what it is.
Whatever 'is' going on behind the scenes obviously isn't enough. We have high predation 'everywhere', low ungulate numbers in numerous areas and as a result, even MORE negative changes to hunters is being proposed. At a time when we need new hunter recruitment BADLY, more needs to be done. We can't win the fight the way shit is going down presently.
This is where pricks like me come in. I don't care what anyone thinks, seen enough when it comes time for common sense choices and have had to deal with control freaks and ego maniacs at various clubs who's main ambition looked more to be able to 'say' they are 'on a board' just for the title while not really giving an eff bout much else. ( and we ALL KNOW that is very real).
What I am sharing here is the FACT that one person can make a difference if they choose to, with out needing approval or permission or having to stroke some door knobs ego.
Its TIME to get this very serious issue dealt with from all parties- period.
I can get shit happening DIRECTLY from one end of the province to the other before any board anywhere even sits down to bring it up, that's what I have done and that's what's going down.
Someone has to start the shit storm, rest will fall in. I'm starting the shit storm, it HAS TO BE DONE.Getting EVERY BC hunter on board directly is what we need!
😉😀

[yama49]

Proguide...

Is there any way that a semi skilled hubter can go to an area and kill wolves with a rifle? Or is trapping the ONLY to succeed?

I am not a trapper but love hunting..any tips or woukd i just be screwing things up for a trapper?

Can be done with a rifle but not as successful as trapping...


Heres a couple pics 3km away, 3hrs later success, with my hunting partner big boar(RIP)

when you have a list PG66, pm me and i will donate..
https://s26.postimg.org/xeznwoz6x/IMG_2366.jpghttps://s26.postimg.org/dj3ohjfp5/IMG_2369.jpg

[gcreek]

Shazzam! A disappearing post. LOl

[RE1960]

I haven't voiced any direct thoughts on any associations let it be known.
Have I had some negative interactions with a few different individuals who happened to be 'board members' of a 'few' different groups in the past? HELL YES. Those negative interactions were 100% ego fuelled and nothing less from ( only a few) but enough to completely block some VERY generous offers on my part which would have done some VERY serious good for B.C.'s wild life and outdoors people as a whole. Hell, ONE of the 'board members' even went ANTI TRAPPING and intentionally turned his trap line over to the ministry so there could be 'NO MORE TRAPPING EVER' again in those wolf infested hills - A BOARD MEMBER !!
Of course clubs and associations do good, but sometimes not enough where it really counts. Too many people are caught up in politics or worried 'how it looks' to others when bringing up predation issues ( I have heard it first hand), bow look where we are.
One thing I DO know is not only myself but a good handful of other wolf assassins are receiving ZERO assistance from anyone and ZERO attention from anyone for what they are doing. A little disvheartening but whatever, it is what it is.
Whatever 'is' going on behind the scenes obviously isn't enough. We have high predation 'everywhere', low ungulate numbers in numerous areas and as a result, even MORE negative changes to hunters is being proposed. At a time when we need new hunter recruitment BADLY, more needs to be done. We can't win the fight the way shit is going down presently.
This is where pricks like me come in. I don't care what anyone thinks, seen enough when it comes time for common sense choices and have had to deal with control freaks and ego maniacs at various clubs who's main ambition looked more to be able to 'say' they are 'on a board' just for the title while not really giving an eff bout much else. ( and we ALL KNOW that is very real).
What I am sharing here is the FACT that one person can make a difference if they choose to, with out needing approval or permission or having to stroke some door knobs ego.
Its TIME to get this very serious issue dealt with from all parties- period.
I can get shit happening DIRECTLY from one end of the province to the other before any board anywhere even sits down to bring it up, that's what I have done and that's what's going down.
Someone has to start the shit storm, rest will fall in. I'm starting the shit storm, it HAS TO BE DONE.Getting EVERY BC hunter on board directly is what we need!


Great post
money will be coming once you've got it ready to go.
thanks for putting in your time and effort.

[Gateholio]

Shazzam! A disappearing post. LOl

Yes, we are not going to bring up names or get sidetracked on this thread.

Bring positive input or don't post. And I'm not going to repeat myself.

[Islander30]

This is great and was what I was hoping you would say next. I will donate a least $100 to START when I recoginize an area I hunt and you can give your honest approval of the trapper in that area and know he is or will be actively trapping wolves.... pics etc. would be great to see or if you know the trapper personally, I can take your word for it.



OK, I am working on a smooth method with a few guys I know who are VERY efficient and 100% solid. As I figure out WHO and 'where' we will let the area of interest be known here. if YOU hunt there, throw down !!! These guys are VERY happy with this news. Happy, eager, GOOD problem solvers is what we need moving.
All I requested from them is good solid numbers with a photo of wolves with the date in the photo ( even just 2018 in it) for the season end. Piece of paper, scribe it in the snow, whatever. We can post result pics here OR email them with final tally at season end to donors when they come in. We can possibly throw donor names in a hat and draw some prime dried and salted hides to give back.
Anyone has any input ( GOOD constructive input) drop it here.
As far as I am concerned, posting pics here shouldn't be a concern. It is a hunting forum, we have plastered dozens of wolf pics on here in the past. I as well have lots of videos on youtube, it hasn't stopped the activity. I don't care either way, just as long as we ALL do our part in what SHOULD BE the #1 priority when it comes to our game in B.C.
Why enhance 'anything' for ungulates if they are already gobbled up ? Lets get the numbers back where they should be and stay on top of it this time !!!

[gcreek]

I think I was pretty clear that I wasn't going to repeat myself. See you in 2 months. Gatehouse

[trapman]

Gcreek earlier you mentioned you Know 3 ranchers that had calves hung up on forgotten snares , and no I am not calling you a lier . But that rancher can easily find out who the trapper is and be compensated for any looses. It is the responsibility of the trapper to pull all of their snares and if not can be charged of the offence. If this has happened over a 3 year period, they should be reported, they are giving all trappers a bad name

[Spy]

This is great and was what I was hoping you would say next. I will donate a least $100 to START when I recoginize an area I hunt and you can give your honest approval of the trapper in that area and know he is or will be actively trapping wolves.... pics etc. would be great to see or if you know the trapper personally, I can take your word for it.
X2 would give what I can and get all my hunting friends todo the same, this island needs a wolf flush..... I don't think we should advertise this though, out of site out of mind, which = less resistance from antis. They would not miss or even know there are less wolves ;-)
Thanks PG :-)

[Islander30]

Yes I would donate to Island trapping as well as mainland !


X2 would give what I can and get all my hunting friends todo the same, this island needs a wolf flush..... I don't think we should advertise this though, out of site out of mind, which = less resistance from antis. They would not miss or even know there are less wolves ;-)
Thanks PG :-)

[Gateholio]

There you go guys, find the Island trappers and send them a few bucks!

[proguide66]

Ok, interest picking up - PERFECT.
if I can, and someone wants to organize it, I WILL do a 2 or 3 hr knowledge share where it counts. If you island guys have some people in mind who aren't overly successful on wolves and would like to add what I have to their tool box, line it up !(or anyone else)

[cybertoad]

I haven't voiced any direct thoughts on any associations let it be known.

Yes agreed. I do understand and agree your thoughts from general bad personal experiences with overall associations. Enough said, that is not what this thread is about
Good on your for standing up to any negative hunting comments, anti wolf comments to grizzly bear, you don't take shit and dish it out well!

[Weatherby Fan]

Can anyone tell me or recall Which HBC member/trapper was working out by the Mounds Ranch, Clinton to Cache Creek area
He had posted pictures of Wolves he had trapped the last few years but his name escapes me ??

Thanks
WF

[Weatherby Fan]

Found him

bc traper is his handle

[trapman]

Well I want to say thank you to everyone that has sent EMT's, checks and gas ,specially Horse280 your contribution was over the top. All this support has really inspired Cole and myself, We started 50 new snares last night and got invited to do some trapping in region 8. Its going to be a hard, long, fun trapping season

[Spy]

Well I want to say thank you to everyone that has sent EMT's, checks and gas ,specially Horse280 your contribution was over the top. All this support has really inspired Cole and myself, We started 50 new snares last night and got invited to do some trapping in region 8. Its going to be a hard, long, fun trapping season
That is awesome what a turn around wow wow! :-)
Any news on trappers on the Island ? Let's get the ball rolling here I have some $$ burning a hole in my pocket;-)

[twoSevenO]

I'm still confused here .... do we have a list of trappers and the areas they trap or are people funding trapman directly?

Not to sound like a cheapass but I would prefer to fund a Trapper that traps in the areas that I hunt. Is that a selfish way to think? :/

[Weatherby Fan]

I'm still confused here .... do we have a list of trappers and the areas they trap or are people funding trapman directly?

Not to sound like a cheapass but I would prefer to fund a Trapper that traps in the areas that I hunt. Is that a selfish way to think? :/

Not at all that’s the sensible thing to do, that’s what I’m going to do !
its your money you do as you see fit.

[finngun]

That is awesome what a turn around wow wow! :-)
Any news on trappers on the Island ? Let's get the ball rolling here I have some $$ burning a hole in my pocket;-)

Years back port alb. my work buddy had a trap line up to port alb. mountains,,,he was trapping mainly martens..i have no idea is he still able to do it.

[horse280]

A little food for thought fellas, the wolves around the horsefly area seem to be on a roughly 10 to 16 day cycle of (their) own killing routes: so here's jerry ( the a-hole) who decides he is going to go for a sunday drive with the missus and go do some pred control. After driving around (His) road hunting route every day off that he has for the whole season all he has seen are a lot of stale wolf sign and is confused as to how it is there can be soooo much wolf sign be no interception of said stinky mongrels! The guys with the bait get er dun even if you cant donate money alert your local wolf trapper of highway kills ' get your buddy who works for highways to drop carcasses with you to give to your trapper, and yes by all means shoot what you see hopefully it ain't your neighbors dog! Hopefully pro-guide's grassroots effort will result In a pile of doggies for you all to hi-5 over at the end of this season. So although Jerry had a lot of fun sunday driving with the missus over the season he managed to burn 400.00 worth of fuel in his pickup,get two flat tires,get stuck real bad twice-much to the Ire of missus Jerry and so-on oh yeah and shoot one mangey coyote on the run at 125yds with his seven mag in the ass I might add---ooh the memories! Horsee

[twoSevenO]

Not at all that’s the sensible thing to do, that’s what I’m going to do !
its your money you do as you see fit.

So let's have a list compiled. How can we get trappers to speak up and tell us which MU they trap and provide info

[DeepJeep]

I was also looking for a list but having heard from others on this thread, a public list would make trappers easy targets. Perhaps the admins or experienced members can point a registered (active) member in the right direction via PMs?

[Wild one]

So let's have a list compiled. How can we get trappers to speak up and tell us which MU they trap and provide info

Trappers wont want a list as antis are a big issue

want to find the trapper contact BCTA

sounds like pro guide might be working on ways to reach trappers as well

post the area you have in mind and someone on the forum might know the trapper as well

[guest]

Keep digging, DO NOT POST A TRAPPERS CONTACT LIST HERE ! THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT IM SURE.

through contacts of friends, BCTA, others on here. YOU CAN DO IT !

Either EMT, Gas card, check in the mail ....... Etc etc every bit helps these guys.

Just keep digging as I have ....... And if you can't find the trapper your specifically looking for ..... HELP ANOTHER !

HATS OFF to our two local HBC hero's that we can see here. PG66 and Trapman, way to go guys ! Wish I could join you on your line.

And those Helping to get a balance in Wildlife ....... Sounds like a number are Stepping Up. Good on yaz!

CT

thumbs up to those contributors.

[Islander30]

For the guys asking about a list, here is what Proguide66 said he is working on ! I think he understands guys don't want to just donate money to a random trapper who may or may not even be targeting wolves in their area. Sounds like he is going to liason with other trappers first then recommend them for support, which IMO is better than a list !!!


OK, I am working on a smooth method with a few guys I know who are VERY efficient and 100% solid. As I figure out WHO and 'where' we will let the area of interest be known here. if YOU hunt there, throw down !!! These guys are VERY happy with this news. Happy, eager, GOOD problem solvers is what we need moving.
All I requested from them is good solid numbers with a photo of wolves with the date in the photo ( even just 2018 in it) for the season end. Piece of paper, scribe it in the snow, whatever. We can post result pics here OR email them with final tally at season end to donors when they come in. We can possibly throw donor names in a hat and draw some prime dried and salted hides to give back.
Anyone has any input ( GOOD constructive input) drop it here.
As far as I am concerned, posting pics here shouldn't be a concern. It is a hunting forum, we have plastered dozens of wolf pics on here in the past. I as well have lots of videos on youtube, it hasn't stopped the activity. I don't care either way, just as long as we ALL do our part in what SHOULD BE the #1 priority when it comes to our game in B.C.
Why enhance 'anything' for ungulates if they are already gobbled up ? Lets get the numbers back where they should be and stay on top of it this time !!!

[twoSevenO]

Ok. Thanks for that. Must have missed this post or forgot I read it.

Thanks.

[Fisher-Dude]

I know a trapper in my area that targets wolves.

Whenever I come across tracks in his territory, I zip him a quick message with location and my best estimate at the number in the pack and days old.

He's very appreciative of the intel, as it helps him focus his efforts.

I think we can all help in this way. Find out your local trapper's contact info and establish some rapport.

[Ourea]

I know a trapper in my area that targets wolves.

Whenever I come across tracks in his territory, I zip him a quick message with location and my best estimate at the number in the pack and days old.

He's very appreciative of the intel, as it helps him focus his efforts.

I think we can all help in this way. Find out your local trapper's contact info and establish some rapport.

Obviously the tracks you report in are on roads.
Wait a minute.....wolves use roads!?

[Weatherby Fan]

I know a trapper in my area that targets wolves.

Whenever I come across tracks in his territory, I zip him a quick message with location and my best estimate at the number in the pack and days old.

He's very appreciative of the intel, as it helps him focus his efforts.


I think we can all help in this way. Find out your local trapper's contact info and establish some rapport.

Got a hold of one of them in my area so soon as Im back from walrusing around on the beach down here were going to hook up and Ill help in whatever way I can.

[Islander30]

That is awesome what a turn around wow wow! :-)
Any news on trappers on the Island ? Let's get the ball rolling here I have some $$ burning a hole in my pocket;-)

Ya same here, if there is a trapper who want to target wolves anywhere between nanaimo and cambell river....or even sayward, I can donate some money as well as I can help physicaly if help is wanted.......also would like to donate to any trappers having good success in 3-29, 8-14, 8-15




.

[cybertoad]

Islander30. Great to post regions you wanna support. Also e eryone should remember wolves range a large area. Mentioned by several, but needs to be stressed. Supporting a trapper anywhere within several regions will help. So far for Vancouver Island I know one wolf guy in 1-03,1-04, 1-05 areas.
Sure as this gains steams trappers will spread word and share areas they are in.

[browningboy]

Gotta love the “eh”, just funny as west coast people don’t nearly say it as much as the eastcoast

[trapman]

Like cyber toad mentioned wolves have vast territories that keep changing do their numbers. There are no boundaries to were they well go, the need for food keeps them on the move constantly. Three years ago my areas had no wolves , My daughter and I could go out on opening day and get our 2 deer. We would see 6-10 bucks and 15-20 doe's. This year 3 doe's in 2 days , no bucks all season. And remember most Limits and seasons in the Reg's are based on a whole region not just the 20-50 square miles you might just hunt

[IronNoggin]

Ya same here, if there is a trapper who want to target wolves anywhere between nanaimo and cambell river.....

Shoot me a pm.
I have found the right fellow for the areas around Port & beyond.
He is also in contact with the neighboring tappers, and can point you in the right direction for that if required.
The trapper is aware of this initiative, and noted he would be quite pleased with any support that might come his way...

Even though this is the tightest time of year for me, I will be volunteering time (which I have a fair bit of) and funds when I can afford it.

I believe Proguide has this right, and that united we can make one hell of a positive difference!
Many Thanks to The Man for bringing the idea forward! :-D

Any other that want to help out on The Rock in the areas noted, feel free to pm for contact information.

Cheers,
Nog

[Spy]

Shoot me a pm.
I have found the right fellow for the areas around Port & beyond.
He is also in contact with the neighboring tappers, and can point you in the right direction for that if required.
The trapper is aware of this initiative, and noted he would be quite pleased with any support that might come his way...

Even though this is the tightest time of year for me, I will be volunteering time (which I have a fair bit of) and funds when I can afford it.

I believe Proguide has this right, and that united we can make one hell of a positive difference!
Many Thanks to The Man for bringing the idea forward! :-D

Any other that want to help out on The Rock in the areas noted, feel free to pm for contact information.

Cheers,
Nog
X2 Things are tight but will donate and give time where I can to a trapper in my area which is Shawinigan Lake/ South Cowichan. I agree this is the best approach and an absolutely fantastic idea from PG... :-)

[Islander30]

ok great, pm sent


Shoot me a pm.
I have found the right fellow for the areas around Port & beyond.
He is also in contact with the neighboring tappers, and can point you in the right direction for that if required.
The trapper is aware of this initiative, and noted he would be quite pleased with any support that might come his way...

Even though this is the tightest time of year for me, I will be volunteering time (which I have a fair bit of) and funds when I can afford it.

I believe Proguide has this right, and that united we can make one hell of a positive difference!
Many Thanks to The Man for bringing the idea forward! :-D

Any other that want to help out on The Rock in the areas noted, feel free to pm for contact information.

Cheers,
Nog

[trapman]

Just a little bit of info not every trapper is a wolf trapper. Anyone could be a wolf trapper the the difference between the two is time and Knowledge. I trapped for the last 19 years owned 7 deferent trap lines and never trapped a wolf till this year. What changed was my knowledge of wolves and how to trap them, through a wolf trapping program but on by the BCTA and our lower mainland trapping association. The course was great , main focus was on removing the whole pack at once and thus not to educating them on the really only reasonable way of limiting their numbers. Secondly time, I would think it would be very hard to spend the amount of time needed (finding bait areas-need to be perfect , finding and stock pilling bait, checking snares way more frequently than traps, repositioning snares every time it snows more than a few inches and on and on )trapping wolfs and still have a normal job. So if you have a territory with wolves and a lot of bait and time and the drive, not just to catch wolves but to make a difference in how we look at our wildlife ,you could be a wolf trapper

[stinkyduck]

Two hours of over time this morning netted me $100. I think you are doing a hell of a good job there proguide66. I love your pictures on instagram, easily shows you are doing your part and know what you are doing. That first hundred is yours please PM me some emt info, you will get it right away. I live in region three,saw only 10 bucks this season, never shot any as i enjoy hunting more. I easily spend $1500-$2000 on gas during hunting season, not to mention another$2000 or so on gear. THANK-YOU TRAPPERS,YOU WILL GIVE US OUR BEST SHOT.

[hunter1947]

What I would like to see in BC if your have your papers for trapping and if there are trap lines not being used from within the Provence of BC and you can prove that the trap line is not being used you as a trapper shouldbe able to use this trap line to trap wolfs etc there are lots of trap lines that are not active and this is not right.. O Ya nice to see you aboard again Steve..

[Wild one]

What I would like to see in BC if your have your papers for trapping and if there are trap lines not being used from within the Provence of BC and you can prove that the trap line is not being used you as a trapper shouldbe able to use this trap line to trap wolfs etc there are lots of trap lines that are not active and this is not right.. O Ya nice to see you aboard again Steve..

Traplines lying dormant are an issue trappers want solved

We would have way more trappers in the field if govt only followed there own regs on this


Asked for hunter support on this years ago on this forum and it fell on deaf ears. Seems hunters are more supportive of trappers now so maybe you guys can help them push to get more lines active again

[proguide66]

Quick note for all who are curious.
I have been reading various threads on social media regarding the low numbers of ungulates in various regions of B.C. The fingers are getting pointed at poaching, too many hunters and loss of habitat.

Here's the deal, and again, I'm not scared to yell it out.

It is predation by canines, cats and bears - period.

As an example, I personally spend around 250 plus days a year in the woods across the province. In the 'Sea to Sky' corridor ( I will use as an example), there is literally thousands of square kilometres of UN touched habitat. In this habitat, wolves are expanding out and staying in areas where they have not been present the last 15 years I have been running around those areas basically full time.
Of the dozens of migration routes I personally monitor ( alone on my own dime) with over 30 cameras year round, I see and note 100% the rise of predators and decline of ungulates. The deer alone in the un touched mature timbered mountains I am running around in are around 30% of what they 'were' around 5 to 7 years ago. NO, human predation has nothing to do with this ( as well confirmed by reg 2 bios in the past).
This is from canine, feline and bear predation - nothing more, nothing less.
" Loss of habitat". How many ungulate carcasses have all of you come across dead from starvation this last year due to loss of habitat? Or previous years? I am not finding ANYTHING laying on the ground - anywhere.

The #1 problem is high predation. Again, I will scream it out, DEAL WITH THIS !!! Beating up humans for low ungulate numbers has never made it better and is not going to ( shoten seasons, cut back tags, finger pointing).

Moving along, I had to postpone my 3 days of wolf recon trip, I'll be hitting this Sat -on. I am as well currently working on a solid menu with others on how to smoothly tackle this issue and get it done. Will have all in line mid next week and we shall fix this together. NO MORE waiting on others, every single one of us is going to make the ungulate numbers jump starting NOW and we will take better care of them starting NOW where it COUNTS !!

Dont stop you guys !! Make a difference.

[325]

Quick note for all who are curious.
I have been reading various threads on social media regarding the low numbers of ungulates in various regions of B.C. The fingers are getting pointed at poaching, too many hunters and loss of habitat.

Here's the deal, and again, I'm not scared to yell it out.

It is predation by canines, cats and bears - period.

As an example, I personally spend around 250 plus days a year in the woods across the province. In the 'Sea to Sky' corridor ( I will use as an example), there is literally thousands of square kilometres of UN touched habitat. In this habitat, wolves are expanding out and staying in areas where they have not been present the last 15 years I have been running around those areas basically full time.
Of the dozens of migration routes I personally monitor ( alone on my own dime) with over 30 cameras year round, I see and note 100% the rise of predators and decline of ungulates. The deer alone in the un touched mature timbered mountains I am running around in are around 30% of what they 'were' around 5 to 7 years ago. NO, human predation has nothing to do with this ( as well confirmed by reg 2 bios in the past).
This is from canine, feline and bear predation - nothing more, nothing less.
" Loss of habitat". How many ungulate carcasses have all of you come across dead from starvation this last year due to loss of habitat? Or previous years? I am not finding ANYTHING laying on the ground - anywhere.

The #1 problem is high predation. Again, I will scream it out, DEAL WITH THIS !!! Beating up humans for low ungulate numbers has never made it better and is not going to ( shoten seasons, cut back tags, finger pointing).

Moving along, I had to postpone my 3 days of wolf recon trip, I'll be hitting this Sat -on. I am as well currently working on a solid menu with others on how to smoothly tackle this issue and get it done. Will have all in line mid next week and we shall fix this together. NO MORE waiting on others, every single one of us is going to make the ungulate numbers jump starting NOW and we will take better care of them starting NOW where it COUNTS !!

Dont stop you guys !! Make a difference.

I agree. On many of my hunts I'm seeing more bears and wolves than ungulates, and more cougar tracks than deer tracks. Definitely out of balance.

[tanner]

325 Alerted me to this thread. I’ve read it over and agree with most of what has been said here, so I guess I’ll put my two bits worth on here too.

I trap in region 7-49 and 7-50 Killed over 40 wolves the last two years (most of those in 7-50) It has made a massive difference in the wolf sign Dad and I see over the summer when packing (Steamboat Mountain Outfitters)

I almost couldn’t trap this year, but the GO (same GO helped me get started with both $$ and teaching) said he would pitch in and that helped.

While I wish I didn’t need to ask for funding and could just trap for fun, that just isn’t a reality at the present.
Before this post came up I had determined I probably couldn’t continue to trap wolves all at my own expense again next year and was trying to figure who and how to ask for support.
For me the timing of this movement is perfect if people really do want this done (wolves killed).

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6738&stc=1

[Sangstercraft]

While I wish I didn’t need to ask for funding and could just trap for fun, that just isn’t a reality at the present.
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6738&stc=1
As a licensed trapper, can you sell the hides or skulls to members on this site? I'd like to buy a skull, if it's legal. Might be a way of raising funds. I bet many members would like to buy a skull if they knew the proceeds were going towards getting more skulls ;-)

[Sangstercraft]

While I wish I didn’t need to ask for funding and could just trap for fun, that just isn’t a reality at the present.
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6738&stc=1
As a licensed trapper, can you sell the hides or skulls to members on this site? I'd like to buy a skull, if it's legal. Might be a way of raising funds. I bet many members would like to buy a skull if they knew the proceeds were going towards getting more skulls ;-)

[325]

325 Alerted me to this thread. I’ve read it over and agree with most of what has been said here, so I guess I’ll put my two bits worth on here too.

I trap in region 7-49 and 7-50 Killed over 40 wolves the last two years (most of those in 7-50) It has made a massive difference in the wolf sign Dad and I see over the summer when packing (Steamboat Mountain Outfitters)

I almost couldn’t trap this year, but the GO (same GO helped me get started with both $$ and teaching) said he would pitch in and that helped.

While I wish I didn’t need to ask for funding and could just trap for fun, that just isn’t a reality at the present.
Before this post came up I had determined I probably couldn’t continue to trap wolves all at my own expense again next year and was trying to figure who and how to ask for support.
For me the timing of this movement is perfect if people really do want this done (wolves killed).

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6738&stc=1

EMT coming your way today Tanner!

[DeepJeep]

I have never hunted region 7 but I would like to help Tanner. I would actually like to help more than one trapper. So, i'll do what I can.

325, please PM me his email address.

[trapman]

Steve well done, I feel this thread has brought together more hunters on this site then any thread before. People are actually doing something ,they have all found a cause to be passionate about. The support coming my way is unreal i. I have received EMTs, cash, gas cards, Timmys cards and even an invitation for dinner at an older fellow‘s house next time I am in Kamloops. Steve I believe people are attracted to your no bullshit reasoning on why we have this problem. It is exactly what we needed for a long time. Just a little note to those who have supported my will drop in here is what I am doing with what I received. We have obtained permission to trap wolves in region eight and in region five. I have secured another supply I’ve up to 400 pounds of bsit per week . And Cybertoad and myself will hopefully be completing another 200 snares tonight. And oh yeah I gave $20 to my 13year-old son for helping heal bait to all the bait stations. After that he told his friends he was a professional Wolf trappper because he gets paid for what he does

[Bugle M In]

I think this thread has shown us what the majority of us hunters believe to be a big reason for ungulate # declines.
It also shows that most of us believe the government/ministry wont take steps to reduce wolves.
It's not about folks/hunters and wanting to go and just kill for the sake of killing.
It's about trying to make a difference at a time right now where things are looking bleak, and the people who are supposed to be taking care of BC's wildlife have done little to nothing.
It has been a very positive thread.

[DeepJeep]

^^ absolutely agree.

Money going directly to the source with no admin costs or middle man.

Love it.

[trapman]

Well said bugle

[DeepJeep]

Trapman, EMT sent to you.

[charlie_horse]

I am 100% on the predator band wagon . And I've put my money where my mouth is with two trappers and will continue as I can. It's an awesome initiative, doesn't seem to matter where i hunt the topic of wolves comes up. Hopefully there is a trapper for 332

[browningboy]

So has there ever been bounties placed on them? If they are NBL why not place a bounty of 100 each or something?

[trapman]

Charlie horse, cyber toad is trapping wolves 2 region right on the border of 3–32 And we just got permission to trap 3- 31 on two different ranches

[DeepJeep]

^ right on.

[Spy]

This is such a positive thread way to go Hunters and Trappers this is how we get shit done thanks to HBC for providing the platform.... :-)

[proguide66]

Steve well done, I feel this thread has brought together more hunters on this site then any thread before. People are actually doing something ,they have all found a cause to be passionate about. The support coming my way is unreal i. I have received EMTs, cash, gas cards, Timmys cards and even an invitation for dinner at an older fellow‘s house next time I am in Kamloops. Steve I believe people are attracted to your no bullshit reasoning on why we have this problem. It is exactly what we needed for a long time. Just a little note to those who have supported my will drop in here is what I am doing with what I received. We have obtained permission to trap wolves in region eight and in region five. I have secured another supply I’ve up to 400 pounds of bsit per week . And Cybertoad and myself will hopefully be completing another 200 snares tonight. And oh yeah I gave $20 to my 13year-old son for helping heal bait to all the bait stations. After that he told his friends he was a professional Wolf trappper because he gets paid for what he does

Its time !! overdue by years. Good thing about the internet is now we don't have to rely on anyone or wait. The amount of insanity I have directly witnessed when it comes to this topic and getting problems solved with various groups who SHOULD BE dealing with this #1 problem is mind boggling. I have zero patience now for anyone who is terrified of this topic and more concerned with 'how it looks'. I'll bite my lip on that note now.

Couple handy notes to who it may be of value.

1. BAITS
In the past, due to where I live and access to road kill, my bait was very limited. I had to learn how to get the wolves with little or no bait. This involved following them, getting to know regular routes as opposed to random trails. This took time but eventually started to pay off and I killed a pile of them this way.
LOADS of bait can work. Best time to create bait piles is immediately after bears den up. If you can, it can be beneficial for someone who does NOT SET TRAPS to drop baits for the trapper after a handful of wolves have been whacked. Wolves will smell the culprit who killed their members and register their scent as trouble. When the wolf killer drops more bait, the educated wolves will commonly not go near them due to the 'killer scent' factor. YES, they are this smart. I noted a pack or two doing this with me in the past. One large pile I maintained, the wolves would come down the road and the whole pack would lay down about 100 yards outside my nearest snare. Two wolves would circumnavigate the pile, go back, grab the pack and leave. they never went to the pile once. However, they told me where they felt safe and I zipped the two leaders on their safety trail the 3rd time they came to circle.

SMALL BAITS

A. I have numerous times wacked wolves with tiny amounts of baits as opposed to large. Young hardwood thickets or willow tangles best. Go to centre of tangle, hang a piece of deer hide, or a chunk of hide with buck gland on it ( all you need), set snares all around the outside of the thicket - done deal. Killed lots this way.

B. Hang a deer leg ( or what have you, even hide) in the the air at least 7 ft plus off the ground in the middle of a well known wolf travel route in timber, not the open or open timber, has to be somewhat thick. Scent particles will fall off 24/7 and the wind will take them out. Snare off any hole in a 50 yard circle and start around 15 yards away from hanging bait. I have video proof of what this does and it is very effective. Wolves do NOT look up for meat or kills - ever. The pack will slam on the brakes when they smell it and fan out trotting around in every direction trying to find it, zip, done deal and commonly numerous catches. This style baiting use is confusing to them, requires no re baiting and suckers them multiple times in the same place over a winter as they and other wolves travel through. It also eliminates having to walk into the 'bait pile' to re stock which lays your scent down.
You can as well strategically set these snares so you can see all of them from a distance with binos away from the perimeter instead of 'going in' and leaving fresh scent often.
C. Popular migration trails are obviously as well used by wolves. In mountainous regions or steep slopes the cold air drops almost 24/7 and ALWAYS drops at night. Knowing this, take a chunk of hide or a leg. etc, hang it on the high side of the main trail and around 20 yards minimum above the trail. draw a line horizontal between the bait and trail with snares set in holes/routes a wolf is likely to take up hill to check out where this scent is coming from - very effective. The scent particles will drool off the bait 24/7 and pile up in a line going down hill across the travel trail and further. I have had wolves hang an abrupt 90 degree turn 200 plus yards downhill from my hanging deer leg on a slope to come up and get zipped. Hanging well above the trail avoids possible ungulates being caught.

The most effective baits are always wild game first, domestic meat 2nd. Southern B.C. trapping, deer and moose is gold.

SHOOTING PACKS
Now read carefully.

Sometimes when you get a chance at a wolf with a rifle, things can be going down fast. It is a rare occasion and excitement is tough to control. 'SOMETIMES', the first shot may not be a clean one for various reasons. 'At times' a wolf can be wounded and not die right away resulting in some vocals coming from the wolf. Some of these commonly misplaced shots are in the hips as an example.
Regardless of 'where', the fact is that when a wounded wolf is making some vocals from his wound, the rest of the pack can NOT stop themselves from running away - ever. There can be 10 gun shots going off all around but as long as that pack member is making noise, the rest of the pack is going to come back to it ( in the open) EVERY - TIME , resulting in an entire pack getting cleaned up ( or most of them).

OK, I'll report in soon, let all know more. I am closer to being able to commit to this myself and if I do, I'll be unleashing my OCD on it ( as usual) and will trap as well hunt them FULL TIME from Squamish to well past Goldbridge and possibly other areas as they come up.

Good luck out there !!

[proguide66]

PS, ***TRAPPERS*** PLEASE make sure you take photos of EVERY PREDATOR you harvest, including incidental catches of felines. Make SURE you have a card with you ( maybe with your trap license) which says '2018' on it for the photo please ( piece of paper, what ev).

Good luck.

[brownmancheng]

looking for who traps tr0330t010 region 3-30 Clinton loon lake!

[Gateholio]

325 Alerted me to this thread. I’ve read it over and agree with most of what has been said here, so I guess I’ll put my two bits worth on here too.

I trap in region 7-49 and 7-50 Killed over 40 wolves the last two years (most of those in 7-50) It has made a massive difference in the wolf sign Dad and I see over the summer when packing (Steamboat Mountain Outfitters)

I almost couldn’t trap this year, but the GO (same GO helped me get started with both $$ and teaching) said he would pitch in and that helped.

While I wish I didn’t need to ask for funding and could just trap for fun, that just isn’t a reality at the present.
Before this post came up I had determined I probably couldn’t continue to trap wolves all at my own expense again next year and was trying to figure who and how to ask for support.
For me the timing of this movement is perfect if people really do want this done (wolves killed).

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6738&stc=1


Here's another one. Do you hunt in 7-49 and 7-50, or anywhere around it (wolves will go a long ways) 40 wolves in 2 years! Proven success, imagine the numbers with some assistance?

[325]

Here's another one. Do you hunt in 7-49 and 7-50, or anywhere around it (wolves will go a long ways) 40 wolves in 2 years! Proven success, imagine the numbers with some assistance?

Yep. Tanner is the real deal. The closest thing to a genuine mountain man I’ve ever met. If he could afford it with our help, he could really be a powerful force for predator control in the north-east.

[guest]

Tanner is working a magnificent area for Moose, Sheep Elk, some Bou Goat and Bear. If your looking for a Packer, this is your guy! Heard great things since taking over from JB.

Ive been in his area a fair bit, used Steamboat a number of times, previous owner. Hope to hire Tanner one day, that would be cool.

keep it up Tanner and good on you. And THANKS !

[trapman]

As a trapper thank all of you who have supported me with the wolff trapping . As a hunter can someone send me Tanners email so I can send him so money to help him out . Love hunting in 7-50

[kolofardos]

looking for who traps tr0330t010 region 3-30 Clinton loon lake!

Would like to know as well. Thanks to all who took the initiative to get this started!

[325]

As a trapper thank all of you who have supported me with the wolff trapping . As a hunter can someone send me Tanners email so I can send him so money to help him out . Love hunting in 7-50

PM sent!!!!

[tanner]

As a licensed trapper, can you sell the hides or skulls to members on this site? I'd like to buy a skull, if it's legal. Might be a way of raising funds. I bet many members would like to buy a skull if they knew the proceeds were going towards getting more skulls ;-)
Yes I can. I do have to pay royalty on the hide but that's not a big deal.

[358mag]

Its time !! overdue by years. Good thing about the internet is now we don't have to rely on anyone or wait. The amount of insanity I have directly witnessed when it comes to this topic and getting problems solved with various groups who SHOULD BE dealing with this #1 problem is mind boggling. I have zero patience now for anyone who is terrified of this topic and more concerned with 'how it looks'. I'll bite my lip on that note now.

Couple handy notes to who it may be of value.

1. BAITS
In the past, due to where I live and access to road kill, my bait was very limited. I had to learn how to get the wolves with little or no bait. This involved following them, getting to know regular routes as opposed to random trails. This took time but eventually started to pay off and I killed a pile of them this way.
LOADS of bait can work. Best time to create bait piles is immediately after bears den up. If you can, it can be beneficial for someone who does NOT SET TRAPS to drop baits for the trapper after a handful of wolves have been whacked. Wolves will smell the culprit who killed their members and register their scent as trouble. When the wolf killer drops more bait, the educated wolves will commonly not go near them due to the 'killer scent' factor. YES, they are this smart. I noted a pack or two doing this with me in the past. One large pile I maintained, the wolves would come down the road and the whole pack would lay down about 100 yards outside my nearest snare. Two wolves would circumnavigate the pile, go back, grab the pack and leave. they never went to the pile once. However, they told me where they felt safe and I zipped the two leaders on their safety trail the 3rd time they came to circle.

SMALL BAITS

A. I have numerous times wacked wolves with tiny amounts of baits as opposed to large. Young hardwood thickets or willow tangles best. Go to centre of tangle, hang a piece of deer hide, or a chunk of hide with buck gland on it ( all you need), set snares all around the outside of the thicket - done deal. Killed lots this way.

B. Hang a deer leg ( or what have you, even hide) in the the air at least 7 ft plus off the ground in the middle of a well known wolf travel route in timber, not the open or open timber, has to be somewhat thick. Scent particles will fall off 24/7 and the wind will take them out. Snare off any hole in a 50 yard circle and start around 15 yards away from hanging bait. I have video proof of what this does and it is very effective. Wolves do NOT look up for meat or kills - ever. The pack will slam on the brakes when they smell it and fan out trotting around in every direction trying to find it, zip, done deal and commonly numerous catches. This style baiting use is confusing to them, requires no re baiting and suckers them multiple times in the same place over a winter as they and other wolves travel through. It also eliminates having to walk into the 'bait pile' to re stock which lays your scent down.
You can as well strategically set these snares so you can see all of them from a distance with binos away from the perimeter instead of 'going in' and leaving fresh scent often.
C. Popular migration trails are obviously as well used by wolves. In mountainous regions or steep slopes the cold air drops almost 24/7 and ALWAYS drops at night. Knowing this, take a chunk of hide or a leg. etc, hang it on the high side of the main trail and around 20 yards minimum above the trail. draw a line horizontal between the bait and trail with snares set in holes/routes a wolf is likely to take up hill to check out where this scent is coming from - very effective. The scent particles will drool off the bait 24/7 and pile up in a line going down hill across the travel trail and further. I have had wolves hang an abrupt 90 degree turn 200 plus yards downhill from my hanging deer leg on a slope to come up and get zipped. Hanging well above the trail avoids possible ungulates being caught.

The most effective baits are always wild game first, domestic meat 2nd. Southern B.C. trapping, deer and moose is gold.

SHOOTING PACKS
Now read carefully.

Sometimes when you get a chance at a wolf with a rifle, things can be going down fast. It is a rare occasion and excitement is tough to control. 'SOMETIMES', the first shot may not be a clean one for various reasons. 'At times' a wolf can be wounded and not die right away resulting in some vocals coming from the wolf. Some of these commonly misplaced shots are in the hips as an example.
Regardless of 'where', the fact is that when a wounded wolf is making some vocals from his wound, the rest of the pack can NOT stop themselves from running away - ever. There can be 10 gun shots going off all around but as long as that pack member is making noise, the rest of the pack is going to come back to it ( in the open) EVERY - TIME , resulting in an entire pack getting cleaned up ( or most of them).

OK, I'll report in soon, let all know more. I am closer to being able to commit to this myself and if I do, I'll be unleashing my OCD on it ( as usual) and will trap as well hunt them FULL TIME from Squamish to well past Goldbridge and possibly other areas as they come up.

Good luck out there !!
Thanks Proguide66
That's some of the best political correct info ever posted on HBC !!!!

[DeepJeep]

Proguide66,

EMT sent to you!

Thanks for bringing everyone together.

[DeepJeep]

Tanner,

EMT sent.

Thank you.

[proguide66]

Quick thought for all to munch on for the weekend, take from it what you will.

Loss of habitat.

A city can be a very easily used example of 'loss of habitat', right ? Anyone familiar with Victoria or Cranbrook? Anyone familiar with the deer population in those city's ?
Now, what do those city's provide to raise their piss load of deer that the surrounding mountains cant provide? Its not timber, re growth or willow, thats for sure.
So, how do we mimic ( until there is results) in the hills and mountains what the city's provide to ensure HIGH NUMBERS of deer??

Take a wild stab at it...... its not too hard to figure out. But it sure as hell is easy to see how so many 'politically' motivated, insecure individuals dance around the real CURE, the REAL reason 'why' and use every possible 'other' excuse for why there is low ungulate numbers.

SO terrified, they aren't even going to chime in on this entire thread !

It's OK though, we got this.

Whats that saying? "hold my beer, watch this.........." lol

Out the door I go !

[Ourea]

https://i.imgur.com/kgEKog9.jpg

[hunter1947]

Believe it so easy to use you voice to call in a pack of wolf try it some time when you hear a pack calling from a distance away you might surprise yourself I have called in 6 packs in the past 3 years using my own voice

[Bugle M In]

Believe it so easy to use you voice to call in a pack of wolf try it some time when you hear a pack calling from a distance away you might surprise yourself I have called in 6 packs in the past 3 years using my own voice

So, are you telling us you don't have the "voice of an angel" then...:-P

[yama49]

Believe it so easy to use you voice to call in a pack of wolf try it some time when you hear a pack calling from a distance away you might surprise yourself I have called in 6 packs in the past 3 years using my own voice

How many did you kill?

[nature girl]

proguide66 so glad to see you back.
And this is such a great idea that you had to help out some trappers.
Its all of our problem if we cant get out there and kill some wolves ourselves we should darn well try to help out the trappers and give them some money. Or gift cards. Even if you cant give a lot even a little is more then the trapper had before.

[proguide66]

Day 1, 3 wolves down, all on video. Solo run. To the 3 guys who threw down for gas, YOU DID IT !
ill tell you what,when someone throws $ in your tank, you try WAY harder and I swear all I was thinking about as it was going down was the 3 dudes on here that helped me !!
ill be home in a few days, not a bad start. ( and I was only supposed to be doing recon for trapping ����). Should be more to report by the end of this run ! LETS GO BC!!

[RE1960]

That's great gas money is coming your way!

[Gateholio]

https://s13.postimg.org/xahlgln7r/1_C50_DBD0-8_DC7-443_E-8_FA1-95_E2_D04_C0480.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/726gr8343/)



PG66 sent me this pic to post. Posted from my phone, no less!!

[IronNoggin]

PG66 sent me this pic to post...

Just gotta Love the Weatherby Badge of Courage Buddy!!! :lol:

Keep up the great work. Hope to have a report or two in the not-too-distant future...

Cheers,
Nog

[guest]

Great job PG 66

hes off and running !

[Pinewood]

Anybody know who is trapping in 8-5,8-6 or 8-7 areas?

[proguide66]

3 more dead, taped maybe 8 or 9 others. Kinda freaked out about ice to grab a big one. He's about 75 from shore.

[Moose63]

3 more dead, taped maybe 8 or 9 others. Kinda freaked out about ice to grab a big one. He's about 75 from shore.

Awesome job Proguide66! EMT sent.

[hbpaints]

Got access to a compound or crossbow? If it's down and on the ice, nail it with a fishing arrow... Drag it to shore...

Done that a time or two...




3 more dead, taped maybe 8 or 9 others. Kinda freaked out about ice to grab a big one. He's about 75 from shore.

[proguide66]

Eagles are making short work of them. Fur everywhere.
Anyway, have some new LARGE announcements coming shortly which will affect every one of you shortly ��.
We are creating a few large storms ! I'll be home in a couple days. 6 down in 24 hrs, fingers crossed for am !!

[cybertoad]

https://i.imgur.com/iXsqzH2.jpg

Well the cost add up to more than fuel sometimes! Damn power company is using the road but not plowing, chains tool out a brake line! Trapper temporary repair at its best!!

[brownmancheng]

https://i.imgur.com/iXsqzH2.jpg

Well the cost add up to more than fuel sometimes! Damn power company is using the road but not plowing, chains tool out a brake line! Trapper temporary repair at its best!!

emt sent.

Thanks for.your efforts

[trapman]

Hey Steve if you have something coming up that requires a bunch of bait let me know. I’ll even deliver it

[proguide66]

Hey Steve if you have something coming up that requires a bunch of bait let me know. I’ll even deliver it
That's GREAT !!! Yes , can use a big load for Squamish soon. I'll fill you in when I get back, have a few meetings there right away first ! Thanks !!

[tanner]

I want to thank everybody that trusted me with your money to kill more wolves.
I don't know how to get a hold of everyone that donated and am working on something to send to those that stepped up. So if you haven't already, please send a private message or email letting me know your name on the e-transfer, so when I get the details worked out I can get a hold of you.
Also I will start a thread shortly to keep you all up on what I am doing with your money.
Thanks again for your support.

https://i.imgur.com/z5TJ9jp.jpg

[DeepJeep]

^ nicely done Tanner.

[guest]

Good Job Tanner, hopefully this helps your bottom line as a Trapper and Packer .

way to go PG ....... Sounds like you payed a good hurt on EM, the Ungulates thank you.

[325]

Great job Tanner!

[koothunter]

Any EK trappers on here??

[bang flop]

SHOOTING PACKS
Now read carefully.

Sometimes when you get a chance at a wolf with a rifle, things can be going down fast. It is a rare occasion and excitement is tough to control. 'SOMETIMES', the first shot may not be a clean one for various reasons. 'At times' a wolf can be wounded and not die right away resulting in some vocals coming from the wolf. Some of these commonly misplaced shots are in the hips as an example.
Regardless of 'where', the fact is that when a wounded wolf is making some vocals from his wound, the rest of the pack can NOT stop themselves from running away - ever. There can be 10 gun shots going off all around but as long as that pack member is making noise, the rest of the pack is going to come back to it ( in the open) EVERY - TIME , resulting in an entire pack getting cleaned up ( or most of them).


huh... wish I had this info back in October. Shot at a pack of at least 8 wolves that were all bedded down in region 8... I could hear one howling for at least an hour after...

[tyreguy]

Any EK trappers on here??
Also looking for a region 4 trapper.
I saw some signs out a couple of years ago for an active trapline down by 4-03 (warning for pet owners), would like to locate someone in this area for a contribution to their efforts.

[Wolfdown]

Proguide66.. what region is that video you just posted of those wolves in?

[Ourea]

Proguide66.. what region is that video you just posted of those wolves in?

Wolfdown, help a brother out here.
Now, you were glad to see the Grizzly hunt abolished based on your posts.

Are you in favor of predator management, specifically wolves?

[RackStar]

Proguide66.. what region is that video you just posted of those wolves in?
Just another Jasmine and Islandwanderer

[RackStar]

Wolfdown,
I cannot wrap my head around why people like you waste their free time being trolls. Maybe you need to start a hobbie. Maybe fishing?

but people like you will be the next

“End Trophy Fishing”

[325]

Just another Jasmine and Islandwanderer

Yep. I bet the anti hunters who have inflitrated HBC are going crazy over this grass roots movement!!

[proguide66]

How the F@ck is ANYONE who opposes a legal
sustainable hunt even allowed on here ??? WTF??
i was just attacked by a "hunter" for promoting wolf thinning on social media. I was so pissed I started to see where he lived ��.
Anyway, big ball rolling all ! We formed the 'BC Ungulate Foundation' the last few days. Have a meeting with some top FN brass tomorrow night and we are ALL going to make hunting GREAT AGAIN ! lol
1st move is to get the ministry to unlock dormant lines. It is absolutely NOT acceptable to have thousands of acres of BC land held hostage from good solid conservation practices ANY LONGER.
Have a great list of what we are ALL going to do with this new foundation and make everything BETTER, faster and with zero politics !!
Will keep all informed !! Don't even have all the damned wolf blood off me yet ����.
This is IT, no more BS or waitting - ITS ON ! ��

[Ourea]

Yep. I bet the anti hunters who have inflitrated HBC are going crazy over this grass roots movement!!

More like crazier.
Emotionally driven and easily influenced parties are on HBC, that's a given.
SFU seems to be a popular home base.

[dougan]

How the F@ck is ANYONE who opposes a legal
sustainable hunt even allowed on here ??? WTF??
i was just attacked by a "hunter" for promoting wolf thinning on social media. I was so pissed I started to see where he lived ��.
Anyway, big ball rolling all ! We formed the 'BC Ungulate Foundation' the last few days. Have a meeting with some top FN brass tomorrow night and we are ALL going to make hunting GREAT AGAIN ! lol
1st move is to get the ministry to unlock dormant lines. It is absolutely NOT acceptable to have thousands of acres of BC land held hostage from good solid conservation practices ANY LONGER.
Have a great list of what we are ALL going to do with this new foundation and make everything BETTER, faster and with zero politics !!
Will keep all informed !! Don't even have all the damned wolf blood off me yet ����.
This is IT, no more BS or waitting - ITS ON ! ��well done Steve your the man thanks a million

[IronNoggin]

How the F@ck is ANYONE who opposes a legal sustainable hunt even allowed on here ??? WTF??

BINGO!!

Been wondering why the coddling of some that are a little more than obvious to many.
Of course not my call, I ain't a "mod".
But I do wonder...

I am looking right forward to hearing more on this initiative Buddy!
Overdue. Let's get on with it!!

Cheers,
Nog

[264mag]

How do we join or get on board?

[stinkyduck]

EMT finally sent to Proguide66@yahoo.com. Awesome work there buddy!

[Seeker]

Proguide66.. what region is that video you just posted of those wolves in?

He/She/it mentioned something about a pack of 13 near Beaverdell/ Big White. Any damage to that pack WD? I have vids and a good bead on where that pack is......tick tock tick tock......thanks for the tip.


https://youtu.be/gwFxUv9s410

[twoSevenO]

EMT finally sent to Proguide66@yahoo.com. Awesome work there buddy!

Where in the thread did i miss Steve posting this?

Steve can you confirm? Don't wanna wire money to some anti that created this yahoo address to scam hunters. lol.

[Gateholio]

Where in the thread did i miss Steve posting this?

Steve can you confirm? Don't wanna wire money to some anti that created this yahoo address to scam hunters. lol.

Yes, that's the correct email for PG66

[stinkyduck]

Maybe i should not of posted his email??

[Ohwildwon]

Maybe i should not of posted his email??

No, you shouldn't have with out his permission, take it down...

[Gateholio]

Pg66 is not shy.....