S/B Ram

[Bugle M In]

thought we could use a break....last week photo's

https://i.imgur.com/BFjOgm5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3sI8YrC.jpg

[srupp]

Hmmmm Awesome..it worked made my day...THANKS.
Cheers
Steven

[Chrispryn]

What a beauty. Ive been seeing alot of pics of that guy lately. I can only imagine how many targets are on him for next season

[walks with deer]

beauty... is he a 6 or 7 year old?

[Bugle M In]

I'm thinking 7.5 years....


https://i.imgur.com/se5byP3.jpg

[VFX_man]

Nice photos!!!!

[325]

Great photos! That ram is posing like a professional

[bighornbob]

This ram is only 5 years old. Typical length for that age in that area. The first growth ring just below his eye is actually his lamb tip. Thats where a lot guys get tripped up. The rams there can have 5-6 inch lamb tips. Way differnt then ageing thinhorn sheep.


I'm thinking 7.5 years....


https://i.imgur.com/se5byP3.jpg

[JDR]

Good to know, I woulda guessed 6 myself.

[blackbart]

Beauty pose from a nice younger ram. He is on the tight curl side for the genetics in that herd. Thanks for sharing!!

[walks with deer]

thanks.. great info

[REMINGTON JIM]

HEs a Young Handsome Ram ! :smile: RJ

[Bugle M In]

This ram is only 5 years old. Typical length for that age in that area. The first growth ring just below his eye is actually his lamb tip. Thats where a lot guys get tripped up. The rams there can have 5-6 inch lamb tips. Way differnt then ageing thinhorn sheep.

hi bob,
can you help me understand where I went wrong in my counting?
(I actually wanted to say 6.5......finger error, but I am still wrong apparently....)
just hoping you could help me out....below is a photo with "my annuli interpretation"...just want to know where
I am wrong is all....thanks

https://i.imgur.com/RMFiCIm.jpg

[Weatherby Fan]

Good to know, I woulda guessed 6 myself.

I would have said 6 myself also

[Blockcaver]

Clearly 6 years old.

[kennyj]

Very nice! Thanks for sharing.
kenny

[bearvalley]

beauty... is he a 6 or 7 year old?


I'm thinking 7.5 years....


https://i.imgur.com/se5byP3.jpg


This ram is only 5 years old. Typical length for that age in that area. The first growth ring just below his eye is actually his lamb tip. Thats where a lot guys get tripped up. The rams there can have 5-6 inch lamb tips. Way differnt then ageing thinhorn sheep.


hi bob,
can you help me understand where I went wrong in my counting?
(I actually wanted to say 6.5......finger error, but I am still wrong apparently....)
just hoping you could help me out....below is a photo with "my annuli interpretation"...just want to know where
I am wrong is all....thanks

https://i.imgur.com/RMFiCIm.jpg


I would have said 6 myself also


Clearly 6 years old.

This is just like being in a room full of CI inspectors!
Nice ram pictures!

[Walking Buffalo]

hi bob,
can you help me understand where I went wrong in my counting?
(I actually wanted to say 6.5......finger error, but I am still wrong apparently....)
just hoping you could help me out....below is a photo with "my annuli interpretation"...just want to know where
I am wrong is all....thanks



What you marked as the sixth annuli is not a year end growth ring. Look at how distinct and dark the previous five rings are compared to what you marked as the sixth.

This is a five year old ram.

Also consider the growth rate. For your analysis to be correct, such a fast growing ram for the first five years would have to suddenly turn into a very slow growing ram in year 5-6, 6-7. This would be very unusual unless he became sick or injured after age five.

[albravo2]

I'm enjoying the year count discussion. Learning.

A guy with the handle bighornbob has some credibility.

[twoSevenO]

hi bob,
can you help me understand where I went wrong in my counting?
(I actually wanted to say 6.5......finger error, but I am still wrong apparently....)
just hoping you could help me out....below is a photo with "my annuli interpretation"...just want to know where
I am wrong is all....thanks

https://i.imgur.com/RMFiCIm.jpg

Thanks for posting this. I was actually going to post the same thing tonight to ask for help. My guess would have been 6 - 6.5 as well.

[bighornbob]

hi bob,
can you help me understand where I went wrong in my counting?
(I actually wanted to say 6.5......finger error, but I am still wrong apparently....)
just hoping you could help me out....below is a photo with "my annuli interpretation"...just want to know where
I am wrong is all....thanks

https://i.imgur.com/RMFiCIm.jpg

See post #18 by walking buffalo. This is exactly the way I would have described it.

BHB

[Bugle M In]

First off...just so there is no confusion...I am not trying to argue, as I know there are some who have way
more experience/knowledge on sheep and aging then I.
I am just trying to educate myself as to where I am wrong in "my own thinking"...okay..
I will post link from Sheep society on aging.
As for post 18....I get it....5 and 6th space should be larger/wider for that years growth....got it.
But, if I look at the S/S pdf...rams # 3 and 4, who are both 9 year olds....

To me when I compare them to this ram...both there spacing's between year 5 and 6 don't seem that large either.

I understand the sickness/lack of nutrition as factors for sometimes have a "shorter year growth".
Just trying figure out "what it is I am seeing"...lol....that is in fact...."not there".
I know it is easy by some, and it appears to be me as well, that you can have "false looking annuli", which
can cause the confusion....which is obviously causing the confusion for me.
So, if someone can add further why the 6th ring I have drawn is not a 6th, I would love to hear it...to understand.
Yes, doesn't help that it is a photo, and I forgot to remove a "filter" on it, which does not help the sharpness,
and he was quite some distance away....binoculars would have given better results for sure, to decipher that
what I am seeing (6th annuli).
What is it about the 6th that I am seeing(other then growth distance from 5th to 6th, that others see as not...and why...if possible)
What else can I look at, at that ring, to determine it is not an actual annuli, but a "false one".
If not, no worries...I don't intend on hunting sheep by age anyways or anytime soon...lol...
And I do know someone, who for many years, especially when he lived in Kamloops. went just about every
weekend up to Lyton/Spences to hunt them with his partner, so I know he could give me some "hands on" info...
except for the fact he lives in Vernon now, and I live down in Vancouver, so we never see each other.

Any help is appreciated.....better then arguing over Regs/restrictions and government crap.

Link for pdf...I hope??
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjp5dnwqNDXAhXGy1QKHdt_AXEQFggoMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwildsheepsociety.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F04%2FUnderstanding-Sheep-Aging-Andrew-Walker.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0SlSNzknO0zM9HasbJKrdU

[elknut]

Great article Bugle M In...But the original picture posted probably is not clear enough to make the 6th year designation acurately...I thought 5 years old myself...Dennis

[rocksteady]

what does S/B mean? I don't hunt sheep

[bighornbob]

what does S/B mean? I don't hunt sheep

Assumed it was spences bridge.

[rocksteady]

Assumed it was spences bridge.

Aha.. now I clue in

[Bugle M In]

Yup....Spences Bridge.....didn't want to give away a secret...:tongue:

[Bugle M In]

okay...could be that the photos don't help...
when I look at the pdf, it's pretty simple.....I don't even have to cheat and look at the answers 1st:mrgreen:.
But, they are good "close up" photos, and doubt many get that close out in the field, plust the contrast of the
photos is good, because there is "no hair" to muddle the photos up etc.
This is what I see...on top of the previous sent already....
Can't hurt for me and others to understand better.......just don't include me in the sheep counting/ageing agenda....

https://i.imgur.com/RMFiCIm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/l3Vg3a0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MgeBmlr.jpg

[DeepJeep]

great photos...,

[quadrakid]

The first photo is a beauty,great piece of wildlife photography.