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[gcreek]

Wolves killed another cow for me last night, at least one calf bitten up. Trapper on his way and we'll set up tonight yet.

When this pack is gone you can send donations for saving a few moose and caribou to yours truly. haha

SOB's

[rocksteady]

I would think that an innovative free thinker such as yourself would have a supplier of 1080..

[two-feet]

How many cattle have you lost over the last 5 years do you figure?

[gcreek]

How many cattle have you lost over the last 5 years do you figure?


348 head have not come home since 2003. Some have died of other causes for sure. 2007 saw them all come home. Last year was 25 calves and 8 cows, this year we are nearly in and short 16 calves and 5 cows so far. 10 pairs and 10 bulls still out. Most of our neighbors have the same kind of loss percentages. It will total in the neighborhood of 100 head in the Anahim Lake area this year. Cows come home and most of the wolves either die or go to live off moose and caribou til next year's buffet is set. Thinking they will be more of a winter problem over the next years as wildlife supplies dwindle.

[gcreek]

I would think that an innovative free thinker such as yourself would have a supplier of 1080..

Traps work better in the right hands.

[rocksteady]

Traps work better in the right hands.

Pick your poison.. do what you gotta do.. I will turn a blind eye..

[Bugle M In]

Pick your poison.. do what you gotta do.. I will turn a blind eye..

see what???...I didn't see anything...;)

[HarryToolips]

Hope you get every one of them, good luck..

[TexasWalker]

Wolves killed another cow for me last night, at least one calf bitten up. Trapper on his way and we'll set up tonight yet.

When this pack is gone you can send donations for saving a few moose and caribou to yours truly. haha

SOB's

Typical rancher, always with the hand out.

[bighornbob]

348 head have not come home since 2003. Some have died of other causes for sure. 2007 saw them all come home. Last year was 25 calves and 8 cows, this year we are nearly in and short 16 calves and 5 cows so far. 10 pairs and 10 bulls still out. Most of our neighbors have the same kind of loss percentages. It will total in the neighborhood of 100 head in the Anahim Lake area this year. Cows come home and most of the wolves either die or go to live off moose and caribou til next year's buffet is set. Thinking they will be more of a winter problem over the next years as wildlife supplies dwindle.

Just curious have you found cows in the spring or the next year that you thought were lost? Could they survive the winter if there were no wolves? I'm assuming that cows left out in the dead of winter with the current population of wolves are pretty much sitting ducks?

BHB

[Ferenc]

Typical rancher, always with the hand out.

That hand is usually holding up a dead wolf ...

[kevan]

Typical rancher, always with the hand out.

Speaking as a retired rancher, I'm not even gonna comment on this garbage post or I'll get banned for sure..

[Sirloin]

348 head have not come home since 2003. Some have died of other causes for sure. 2007 saw them all come home. Last year was 25 calves and 8 cows, this year we are nearly in and short 16 calves and 5 cows so far. 10 pairs and 10 bulls still out. Most of our neighbors have the same kind of loss percentages. It will total in the neighborhood of 100 head in the Anahim Lake area this year. Cows come home and most of the wolves either die or go to live off moose and caribou til next year's buffet is set. Thinking they will be more of a winter problem over the next years as wildlife supplies dwindle.


These are big numbers.... this kind of loss is happening all over the province you think?
We are wondering why we having a low game/high predator problem in the province, perhaps yearly supplies of fat dumb easy prey being sent out for buffet isn't helping. Must give the predators a good strong head start with strong well fed litters.

[nwalter]

I would love to be able to do my share to help a farmer

[Jagermeister]

Wonder how many go by way of the two legged variety that are indigenous to the region?

[LBM]

Traps work better in the right hands.

Good post quit true

[LBM]

Pick your poison.. do what you gotta do.. I will turn a blind eye..

Interesting posts by a couple guys suggesting something illegal and there ok with it.

[LBM]

348 head have not come home since 2003. Some have died of other causes for sure. 2007 saw them all come home. Last year was 25 calves and 8 cows, this year we are nearly in and short 16 calves and 5 cows so far. 10 pairs and 10 bulls still out. Most of our neighbors have the same kind of loss percentages. It will total in the neighborhood of 100 head in the Anahim Lake area this year. Cows come home and most of the wolves either die or go to live off moose and caribou til next year's buffet is set. Thinking they will be more of a winter problem over the next years as wildlife supplies dwindle.

So what do you think was different in 2007.
You have mentioned before that your trapper gets the whole pack but you continue to have problems. So is it more just like one large mass of wolves in your area and just like sub packs or small groups that break off that are caught. How far are these new packs coming from that come into your area. Does any one else do any thing in surrounding areas.

[patbrennan]

348 cows/calves is a big pile of money lost, how big is your herd? Any estimate on what would be an average loss, taking predation out of the picture? Is there compensation available and how does that work in terms of evidence and % of market value that you can get back? Just curious myself, I know virtually nothing about the business but guess that loss is probably north of half a million dollars and not many businesses can sustain that kind of loss for long.

[rocksteady]

Interesting posts by a couple guys suggesting something illegal and there ok with it.


I was not suggesting it's illegal. I was saying I have no issues with wolves being killed...

[huntcoop]

Wonder how many go by way of the two legged variety that are indigenous to the region?

That's waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much work, those things are heavy ya know!

[tomahawk]

Right on, protect what is yours, its bad enough wolves kill a lot of wildlife but stock is a whole new issue. Tough animal to trap, but a good trapper will get them, wishin you good luck!! Let us know how it goes.



Wolves killed another cow for me last night, at least one calf bitten up. Trapper on his way and we'll set up tonight yet.

When this pack is gone you can send donations for saving a few moose and caribou to yours truly. haha

SOB's

[Brez]

[QUOTE=LBM;1945677]So what do you think was different in 2007.
You have mentioned before that your trapper gets the whole pack but you continue to have problems. So is it more just like one large mass of wolves in your area and just like sub packs or small groups that break off that are caught. How far are these new packs coming from that come into your area. Does any one else do any thing in surrounding areas.[QUOTE]

I have friends that successfully snare wolves in Alberta and they will clean out a pack, getting 20 - 30 each winter. by the following winter there are as many if not more back in the area. I have spoken to others who have the same experiences in Alberta. I think there are more wolves than deer and moose now where I hunt - at least there are more tracks.

[albravo2]

Typical rancher, always with the hand out.

I hope you are a rancher with a wry sense of humour.

Go get 'em gcreek!

[elch jager]

That must really put a dent in the family income... makes it hard to stay profitable.

I wonder if the costs of a full-time ranger rider and pack of guardian dogs would be less than your losses?

[RadHimself]

Start dumpin tainted bodies like they used to do in the 50’s and 60’s.... let’m burn

[Linksman313]

Terrible to hear about your losses Gcreek, buddies of mine down the road from you having issues as well, call up those "entitled" boys in their Tracker to help out maybe?

[tinhorse]

Hunting in Williams lake riski creek area 14 years back we took a massive brown phase blackie that was munching down on a farmers cow up the strouse road. I would imagine bears take a few cattle from you as well as wolves do they not?

[Darksith]

Typical rancher, always with the hand out.

If you think wolf numbers are affecting wild game numbers, then you would hopefully be smart enough to understand that Ranchers hold Ace. Hunters will never be listened too when we say wolf populations need to be managed, controlled, culled whatever because we are simply blood thirsty killers. Ranchers however are a huge industry in this province, they have the ear of the government no matter who is in power and if we can work with them we just might get somewhere.

[panhead]

348 cows/calves is a big pile of money lost, how big is your herd?


Oh Man ... there's somethings you just don't ask a rancher ...
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The left is not going to listen to the people. The left already knows what is best for the people.

[huntcoop]

Oh Man ... there's somethings you just don't ask a rancher ...

And why are they so anal about that question........... maybe us common folk might try and figure out how much money they make :roll:

[Wild one]

If you think wolf numbers are affecting wild game numbers, then you would hopefully be smart enough to understand that Ranchers hold Ace. Hunters will never be listened too when we say wolf populations need to be managed, controlled, culled whatever because we are simply blood thirsty killers. Ranchers however are a huge industry in this province, they have the ear of the government no matter who is in power and if we can work with them we just might get somewhere.

Could add many factors to the list of issues with wildlife. Predators are often the first hunters blame but this in my opinion predators are often a small piece to the issues

Oddly though there are many places outside of BC with a larger cattle industry and healthier game numbers

Sounds like you have a bone to pick with ranchers

[gcreek]

These are big numbers.... this kind of loss is happening all over the province you think?
We are wondering why we having a low game/high predator problem in the province, perhaps yearly supplies of fat dumb easy prey being sent out for buffet isn't helping. Must give the predators a good strong head start with strong well fed litters.
I am not going to deny there is likely a lot of truth to,this. At the same time, it is leaving some game alive where they may not have been otherwise.

[gcreek]

Wonder how many go by way of the two legged variety that are indigenous to the region?

Rustlers don't come in one colour, there is known to be some but not in these numbers. Rustlers don't normally bite tails off or otherwise chew up the ones they miss either.

[gcreek]

So what do you think was different in 2007.
You have mentioned before that your trapper gets the whole pack but you continue to have problems. So is it more just like one large mass of wolves in your area and just like sub packs or small groups that break off that are caught. How far are these new packs coming from that come into your area. Does any one else do any thing in surrounding areas.

The grizzlies that had been problematic had finally been dealt with and the resident wolf pack of that year had been taken out over winter. A few more moose were left then.

Killing packs now is like putting your finger in a bucket of water and pulling it out, hoping the void you created would stay longer.

There was a wolf caught at a neighbor's two winters ago wearing a Washington F&G collar. That give you an idea of how far they are travelling?

Guessing that between 150 and 200 wolves have been killed in the Chilcotin this year, maybe more. You can't tell the difference yet.

[gcreek]

348 cows/calves is a big pile of money lost, how big is your herd? Any estimate on what would be an average loss, taking predation out of the picture? Is there compensation available and how does that work in terms of evidence and % of market value that you can get back? Just curious myself, I know virtually nothing about the business but guess that loss is probably north of half a million dollars and not many businesses can sustain that kind of loss for long.

It is a big pile of dollars.

Pre 2003, there were more years they all came home in this area than not Some neighbors who are somewhat in the centre of the area still do get most all of them home.

There is compensation available but we have to produce evidence that the animal was actually killed and not just fed upon by taking photos of bruising under the hide. Our range is 5 to 15 km wide and 25 km long, 40% open, the rest timber. We don't find many of them. Wolves can eat everything but the teeth of a young calf and lick the blood off the grass too.

We have been here 37 years and aren't going away too soon. Hopefully, the wolves will be gone before my grandsons take over in 15 years.

[gcreek]

Terrible to hear about your losses Gcreek, buddies of mine down the road from you having issues as well, call up those "entitled" boys in their Tracker to help out maybe?

Those boys won't shoot them because they are too pretty.

[gcreek]

Hunting in Williams lake riski creek area 14 years back we took a massive brown phase blackie that was munching down on a farmers cow up the strouse road. I would imagine bears take a few cattle from you as well as wolves do they not?

Yes, bears are just a lot easier to deal with.

[gcreek]

Oh Man ... there's somethings you just don't ask a rancher ...
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The left is not going to listen to the people. The left already knows what is best for the people.

Thankee Johnny........

[gcreek]

Could add many factors to the list of issues with wildlife. Predators are often the first hunters blame but this in my opinion predators are often a small piece to the issues

Oddly though there are many places outside of BC with a larger cattle industry and healthier game numbers

Sounds like you have a bone to pick with ranchers

Did it ever dawn on your brilliance that there just might not be wolves or bears in those areas and that is why game is there and flourishing?

Regardless of habitat, hunting pressure or any other issue, predators are the number one reason for the demise of game populations in this province. Period.

[gcreek]

I hope you are a rancher with a wry sense of humour.

Go get 'em gcreek!

Haha! Turds have a way of sinking after a brief moment of floatation...............

[kevan]

Haha! Turds have a way of sinking after a brief moment of floatation...............

Good one !

[LBM]

The grizzlies that had been problematic had finally been dealt with and the resident wolf pack of that year had been taken out over winter. A few more moose were left then.

Killing packs now is like putting your finger in a bucket of water and pulling it out, hoping the void you created would stay longer.

There was a wolf caught at a neighbor's two winters ago wearing a Washington F&G collar. That give you an idea of how far they are travelling?

Guessing that between 150 and 200 wolves have been killed in the Chilcotin this year, maybe more. You can't tell the difference yet.

So does no one actively trap there in the winter any more, sounds like it helped that year.
I no they can travel but from some of the studys it doesn't seem to be whole large packs traveling that far. Even years ago the study in and around KNP
the one was traveling great distances in between B.C. and the states and maybe southern corner of Alberta.

[gcreek]

So does no one actively trap there in the winter any more, sounds like it helped that year.
I no they can travel but from some of the studys it doesn't seem to be whole large packs traveling that far. Even years ago the study in and around KNP
the one was traveling great distances in between B.C. and the states and maybe southern corner of Alberta.

I will repeat myself. There are apparently far more wolves than the experts lead us to believe. Kill a pack of 3 or 5 or 10 and a short time later new wolves are moving in.

One big pack here had an area close to 100 miles north to south.

[albravo2]

Rustlers don't come in one colour, there is known to be some but not in these numbers. Rustlers don't normally bite tails off or otherwise chew up the ones they miss either.

C'mon. If I was a rustler, I'd chew a few tails and leave a few bite marks, just to point blame to the wolves;-)

Actually kind of reminds me of college...

[LBM]

I will repeat myself. There are apparently far more wolves than the experts lead us to believe. Kill a pack of 3 or 5 or 10 and a short time later new wolves are moving in.

One big pack here had an area close to 100 miles north to south.
So does no one actively trap there in the winter it seemed to help you that one year, or do you just call some one in after you find a kill or have a problem.

[walks with deer]

lbm you are coming across as a wolf lover after reading this thread..

[gcreek]

So does no one actively trap there in the winter it seemed to help you that one year, or do you just call some one in after you find a kill or have a problem.

I hire a licenced, predator control specialist with my own money, they get results. I thought I have made that clear in other posts. Even the Indians don't trap here any more.

[LBM]

I hire a licenced, predator control specialist with my own money, they get results. I thought I have made that clear in other posts. Even the Indians don't trap here any more.

I get you hire a guy, does he trap all year or just when you have a problem. The year that you said you had no problems you say they took out the pack in the winter. Does no one actively trap in the winter. Is the surrounding areas a trap line that no one uses.. You say they get results yet you have had problems every year but one. What was different that year.
If your only trapping them when you find a problem, that doesn't seem to be helping in the long run.

[northof49]

Regardless of habitat, hunting pressure or any other issue, predators are the number one reason for the demise of game populations in this province. Period.

THIS.....gcreek is right. Too many people trying to overthink things.....LBM. Wolves are killing machines and are relentless. Other preds (bears/cats) contribute as well for sure, but numbers more stable year to year and nowhere near as effective as wolves. Reduce the wolves and all ungulates will prosper.....very simple. Ranchers will benefit as well. There is a reason wolves have had a bad rap for decades. This is not a new problem and the solution is simple ......continual management of wolf numbers by region to maintain more balance for wolf and ungulates. Good on you gcreek for doing your part in your area.

[gcreek]

I get you hire a guy, does he trap all year or just when you have a problem. The year that you said you had no problems you say they took out the pack in the winter. Does no one actively trap in the winter. Is the surrounding areas a trap line that no one uses.. You say they get results yet you have had problems every year but one. What was different that year.
If your only trapping them when you find a problem, that doesn't seem to be helping in the long run.

WTF are you having trouble comprehending? Ranchers cannot use the talents of an approved trapper unless there is a verified kill. We then have one year to eliminate THAT offending pack. If another pack moves in and we get another verified kill we can kill THAT pack. There is no continuous trapping unless on private land. Wolves aren't always travelling through private land. We kill every offending pack we can.

THERE ARE FAR MORE F_ING WOLVES THAN THE EXPERTS WANT YOU TO BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOT IT NOW?????????

Both traplines that coincide with range use area have not been actively trapped by owners or anyone else in 30 years.

[rocksteady]

So if the "antis" are correct wolves only kill the old, sick and lame.. so I would assume that cow they killed did you a favour cause it was on its last legs ;)

Just kidding.. I understand your dilemma. Caught up in red tape..

However the voting does not understand these dynamics so they pretend you are the bad guy.

[gcreek]

So if the "antis" are correct wolves only kill the old, sick and lame.. so I would assume that cow they killed did you a favour cause it was on its last legs ;)

Just kidding.. I understand your dilemma. Caught up in red tape..

However the voting does not understand these dynamics so they pretend you are the bad guy.


The answer "Yup" was too short so how about I say "It kinda peesus a guy off".

[rocksteady]

The answer "Yup" was too short so how about I say "It kinda peesus a guy off".

I wish in certain circumstances they would allow the use of night vision for predator control and shooting in the dark.. look at the stiff posted about hog hunting at night in Texas.. they get it.. pigs hard to hunt in daylight (unless you own a helicopter)

[REMINGTON JIM]

[QUOTE=gcreek;1945875]

There was a wolf caught at a neighbor's two winters ago wearing a Washington F&G collar. That give you an idea of how far they are travelling?

My Buddy snared a Wolve a few years back at Bridge Lake with a Transmitter Collar that identified it as coming from a Pack of Wolves out of JASPER ! Thats a long ways away too ! They figure it was a Outcast Old Male ! RJ

[gcreek]

[QUOTE=gcreek;1945875]

There was a wolf caught at a neighbor's two winters ago wearing a Washington F&G collar. That give you an idea of how far they are travelling?

My Buddy snared a Wolve a few years back at Bridge Lake with a Transmitter Collar that identified it as coming from a Pack of Wolves out of JASPER ! Thats a long ways away too ! They figure it was a Outcast Old Male ! RJ

One of the wolves that was dropped in Yellowstone was shot near Dawson Creek or FSJ about a year later. I can't remember full details but it was a 1500 mile hike back. Think it was a younger male. Maybe the experts forgot to bring his girlfriend...........

[LBM]

THIS.....gcreek is right. Too many people trying to overthink things.....LBM. Wolves are killing machines and are relentless. Other preds (bears/cats) contribute as well for sure, but numbers more stable year to year and nowhere near as effective as wolves. Reduce the wolves and all ungulates will prosper.....very simple. Ranchers will benefit as well. There is a reason wolves have had a bad rap for decades. This is not a new problem and the solution is simple ......continual management of wolf numbers by region to maintain more balance for wolf and ungulates. Good on you gcreek for doing your part in your area.
Sure wolves kill but have to disagree that they are the number one reason for the demise of game populations in this province, maybe in some regions but not all.

[LBM]

WTF are you having trouble comprehending? Ranchers cannot use the talents of an approved trapper unless there is a verified kill. We then have one year to eliminate THAT offending pack. If another pack moves in and we get another verified kill we can kill THAT pack. There is no continuous trapping unless on private land. Wolves aren't always travelling through private land. We kill every offending pack we can.

THERE ARE FAR MORE F_ING WOLVES THAN THE EXPERTS WANT YOU TO BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOT IT NOW?????????

Both traplines that coincide with range use area have not been actively trapped by owners or anyone else in 30 years.

Hard to comprehend any thing when you don't answer questions, you have some what now though.
So you only trap offending wolves. Why do you not trap on your private land through out the trapping season to try and eliminate other wolves or are they not a problem
or do not come on to your land. Are the 2 traplines in the area owned by FN if so I guess nothing you can do but if not I thought trap lines had to be used so if these 2 lines
have not been actively trapped in 30 years then some thing should be said.
Seems like I may be the only one that is trying to find a legal way to help with this issue, unlike your new besty that mentions illegal ways.
Who are these experts that you mention and what are they saying there is for numbers of wolves. I know when they were studying them in this area
the numbers they were saying were different from what I was seeing as well.

[gcreek]

Hard to comprehend any thing when you don't answer questions, you have some what now though.
So you only trap offending wolves. Why do you not trap on your private land through out the trapping season to try and eliminate other wolves or are they not a problem
or do not come on to your land. Are the 2 traplines in the area owned by FN if so I guess nothing you can do but if not I thought trap lines had to be used so if these 2 lines
have not been actively trapped in 30 years then some thing should be said.
Seems like I may be the only one that is trying to find a legal way to help with this issue, unlike your new besty that mentions illegal ways.
Who are these experts that you mention and what are they saying there is for numbers of wolves. I know when they were studying them in this area
the numbers they were saying were different from what I was seeing as well.

I am using several legal ways to eradicate my problems. By law we are allowed to protect our livestock. I don't need any help from you unless you can pull a major poison or heli shooting program province wide out of your posterior.

FN do own both traplines and graciously let the wolves and problem beaver be trapped with no strings attached.

The experts say there are 8500 wolves in this province. The report is several years old. 100 well fed wolves now means 250 to feed a year from now. Use your imagination for the expotential result.

Done with you now LBM, you were a troll before and you aren't changing.

[gcreek]

Sure wolves kill but have to disagree that they are the number one reason for the demise of game populations in this province, maybe in some regions but not all.


You are right, in the LML they aren't a threat.



Yet.......

[LBM]

I am using several legal ways to eradicate my problems. By law we are allowed to protect our livestock. I don't need any help from you unless you can pull a major poison or heli shooting program province wide out of your posterior.

FN do own both traplines and graciously let the wolves and problem beaver be trapped with no strings attached.

The experts say there are 8500 wolves in this province. The report is several years old. 100 well fed wolves now means 250 to feed a year from now. Use your imagination for the expotential result.

Done with you now LBM, you were a troll before and you aren't changing.

Just because one is trying to figure things out and doesn't agree with all you say doesn't mean they are a troll, but you are intitled to your opinion.
I would not support poison but heli shooting yes. Pretty much all number reports on all wildlife is old so that is part of the problem with things.
So again trying to figure things out in post #51 you say the 2 traplines have not been used by the owners or any one else for 30 yrs, but here you
say they graciously let wolves and problem beaver be trapped. So don't no what it is. Just trying to see if full time trapping of wolves on the lines during the
legal trapping season is having a effect or not.

[LBM]

You are right, in the LML they aren't a threat.



Yet.......

No one said any thing about them being a threat.
Again your comment was that they are the number one reason for the demise of game populations in the province, which I disagree with,
Numbers of various ungulates have been dropping in the EK since the 80s and wasn't due to wolves, they are there now but not so
much then.

[ACE]

[QUOTE=gcreek;1945875]

There was a wolf caught at a neighbor's two winters ago wearing a Washington F&G collar. That give you an idea of how far they are travelling?

My Buddy snared a wolf a few years back at Bridge Lake with a Transmitter Collar that identified it as coming from a Pack of Wolves out of JASPER ! That's a long ways away too ! They figure it was a Outcast Old Male ! RJ

Another wolf was shot on the ice of Crooked Lake near Horsefly ...... collared in Oregon.

[huntcoop]

348 head have not come home since 2003. Some have died of other causes for sure. 2007 saw them all come home. Last year was 25 calves and 8 cows, this year we are nearly in and short 16 calves and 5 cows so far. 10 pairs and 10 bulls still out. Most of our neighbors have the same kind of loss percentages. It will total in the neighborhood of 100 head in the Anahim Lake area this year. Cows come home and most of the wolves either die or go to live off moose and caribou til next year's buffet is set...

Those numbers are kinda mind blowing for the non-farmer with no clue :shock:

[gcreek]

Big one tied to a tree this morning. The rest are dead now, they just don't know it yet.

[Bugle M In]

Big one tied to a tree this morning. The rest are dead now, they just don't know it yet.

:razz:...................................:wink:

[Van-Isle]

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/12/141203-wolves-hunting-livestock-ranchers-endangered-species-environment/

[gcreek]

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/12/141203-wolves-hunting-livestock-ranchers-endangered-species-environment/

So if they are left alive they stop eating meat? Let's have some backup to the bullshit.


Exactly why I use the mitigators I do, they remove the entire offending pack.

[tripleseven]

It looks like you're in the Anaham lake area? it will be interesting to see how the precipice fire impacts the wolf population. I understand it was a big tract of land. I would expect that it might concentrate the game and make for easier winter kill for the wolves, therefore making even larger numbers next year.

[gcreek]

It looks like you're in the Anaham lake area? it will be interesting to see how the precipice fire impacts the wolf population. I understand it was a big tract of land. I would expect that it might concentrate the game and make for easier winter kill for the wolves, therefore making even larger numbers next year.

I don't think this Precipice fire was as large as the one that came out of the park in 2010 or the other that started in the park farther north a couple years later.


All things go in cycles and we are at a rising NA cycle with wolves. The last time it happened, the general public was a much closer to the land and politicians of the day had the balls to act rather than wring their hands and hope the problem goes away. How long until they start dying naturally? They have a long way east to expand.........

[Norwestalta]

Hope you get them. No bounty? The county to the north of me and south have/had bounties. I seemed to get people more active shooting them and trapping them. Had a problem around here with wolves. Neighbor shot one of the alphas and the rest of the pack took to screwing like teenagers. I haven't seen a wolf around here in a couple of years.

[TexasWalker]

Regardless of habitat, hunting pressure or any other issue, predators are the number one reason for the demise of game populations in this province. Period.

Couldn't disagree more.

[gcreek]

Couldn't disagree more.

And? Anything to back up your opinion?

[Wild one]

And? Anything to back up your opinion?

My my opinion I would say in many areas predators are not the main issue of dropping game numbers. Reason for this is the lack of predators sign/sightings in these areas.

Every area is different there is not just one main issue that can be applied across BC nor are the solutions the same

Predators are a big issue in some areas but not all

[VFX_man]

Based on 15 cameras scattered over a 100 Km valley loop, I am getting a lot of predators on those cameras, and not as much game animals as one would hope. Unless I have setup on a "predator only" trails, there is an issue.

[TexasWalker]

And? Anything to back up your opinion?

Yeah, common sense.
There are so many contributing factors and such a lack of scientific studies that for you to make a statement like you did is just asinine.

[gcreek]

My my opinion I would say in many areas predators are not the main issue of dropping game numbers. Reason for this is the lack of predators sign/sightings in these areas.

Every area is different there is not just one main issue that can be applied across BC nor are the solutions the same

Predators are a big issue in some areas but not all

Other than the LML,where aren't they an issue or an increasing issue? Ten years ago I was told on here that they weren't a problem in the Okanagan or the Kootenays. That has changed drastically from what I read here now. Most coming from Cariboo and Chilcotin and north are saying no game where there were lots a few short years ago. All they see are wolf tracks.

You say they aren't an issue in the province. I say open your eyes and look around.

Maybe some have different views because that is where the money is............

[gcreek]

Yeah, common sense.
There are so many contributing factors and such a lack of scientific studies that for you to make a statement like you did is just asinine.

Haha, judging from your comments I would guess you lack largely in the common sense department.

With that, I'll ignore your last comment as asinine.

[mpotzold]

My my opinion I would say in many areas predators are not the main issue of dropping game numbers. Reason for this is the lack of predators sign/sightings in these areas.

Every area is different there is not just one main issue that can be applied across BC nor are the solutions the same

Predators are a big issue in some areas but not all

Agree!

My take based on limited experience.
Only considering 2 areas that we are familiar with. 1) region 5
2) region 7(OMINECA)

1)Been hunting in region 5 west of W.L. mostly in 5-03 & immediate surroundings for 50 years & attribute the big drop in moose numbers mostly to bears, both grizz & black.
In the last 10 years the bear numbers are way up from the 60’s, 70’s & 80’s & growing. The hunters we met/meet say the same thing. And we all know they are efficient calf killers. Read that a dog(wolf) sense of smell is 100X better than humans & the bear is 2100X.

Way more than we previously thought.
(No doubt both wolves & lions, being predators are also responsible but to a much lesser degree!)

PROOF-Determining kill rates of ungulate calves by brown bears in Alaska using neck-mounted cameras-2017 article based on 2011 to 2013 mid May to end of June study.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wsb.733/full
A 10 year old male killed approximately 31 moose calves in 1 ½ months (2011)

2)Been hunting in the Omineca, mostly north of Vanderhoof & in 7-38 for 50 years + & attribute the dwindling moose numbers to poor management(Omineca model 1981):twisted:, indiscriminate year round slaughter, night hunting & to a much lesser degree wolf/bear predation.

[Jagermeister]

I have to agree with gcreek about the decline of ungulates. Wolves abound everywhere throughout the province and any hunter that has the opportunity to take down a wolf or wolves is doing us all a disfavor. You see one, you stroke it. Worry about what to do with the critter after the fact.
Talk to you local trapper, he will likely take it off your hands. Don't know you local trapper, phone the BC Trappers Association @
Phone: 250-962-5452.
Speak to Alana and she will set you on the right course to a trapper(s) nearest you.

[j270wsm]

Yeah, common sense.
There are so many contributing factors and such a lack of scientific studies that for you to make a statement like you did is just asinine.

Over the last 10-15yrs the wolf population has steadily increased. Yes grizzly populations have increased but that has also caused the black bear population to decline.

We used to have tons of moose and elk in the upper elk valley. Over the last 5-8yrs the population has dropped drastically. Part of the reason the elk herd has declined is the 300 cow/calf tags per year for the last 10 years. Why the moose numbers have dropped.........predators!!!! There hasn't been a cow moose leh in over 25yrs.

[miner_luke]

Agree!

My take based on limited experience.
Only considering 2 areas that we are familiar with. 1) region 5
2) region 7(OMINECA)

1)Been hunting in region 5 west of W.L. mostly in 5-03 & immediate surroundings for 50 years & attribute the big drop in moose numbers mostly to bears, both grizz & black.
In the last 10 years the bear numbers are way up from the 60’s, 70’s & 80’s & growing. The hunters we met/meet say the same thing. And we all know they are efficient calf killers. Read that a dog(wolf) sense of smell is 100X better than humans & the bear is 2100X.

Way more than we previously thought.
(No doubt both wolves & lions, being predators are also responsible but to a much lesser degree!)

PROOF-Determining kill rates of ungulate calves by brown bears in Alaska using neck-mounted cameras-2017 article based on 2011 to 2013 mid May to end of June study.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wsb.733/full
A 10 year old male killed approximately 31 moose calves in 1 ½ months (2011)

2)Been hunting in the Omineca, mostly north of Vanderhoof & in 7-38 for 50 years + & attribute the dwindling moose numbers to poor management(Omineca model 1981):twisted:, indiscriminate year round slaughter, night hunting & to a much lesser degree wolf/bear predation.



I just wanted to say thanks for posting this study. I'm reading through this now... I know bears are predators but I had no idea they could hammer ungulates this hard. I will definitely be working much harder from here on out to fill some bear tags too. I've been meaning to get more into bear hunting and I think reading this really helped light a fire under my feet. I encourage everyone to take a quick read of this study, very interesting.

[gcreek]

I have to agree with gcreek about the decline of ungulates. Wolves abound everywhere throughout the province and any hunter that has the opportunity to take down a wolf or wolves is doing us all a disfavor. You see one, you stroke it. Worry about what to do with the critter after the fact.
Talk to you local trapper, he will likely take it off your hands. Don't know you local trapper, phone the BC Trappers Association @
Phone: 250-962-5452.

Speak to Alana and she will set you on the right course to a trapper(s) nearest you.


Did hell freeze over? LOL, We agreed. Thanks

[Wild one]

Other than the LML,where aren't they an issue or an increasing issue? Ten years ago I was told on here that they weren't a problem in the Okanagan or the Kootenays. That has changed drastically from what I read here now. Most coming from Cariboo and Chilcotin and north are saying no game where there were lots a few short years ago. All they see are wolf tracks.

You say they aren't an issue in the province. I say open your eyes and look around.

Maybe some have different views because that is where the money is............

Re read the post you quoted and the last line for sure

Predator issues are out there but not everywhere. If I was not half asleep from long night shifts I would go into more detail

I am not blind to the effects of predators. From trapping I notice sign of them faster then most huntiers as well so don't think I rely on sightings alone

[REMINGTON JIM]

[QUOTE=j270wsm;1946688]Over the last 10-15yrs the wolf population has steadily increased. Yes grizzly populations have increased but that has also caused the black bear population to decline.

Black BEAR population is at its HIGHEST EVER ! Many Many BBs need to be KIlled ! :shock: RJ

[Bugle M In]

Look at the LM Region, when it comes to elk.
Virtually no predation going on, and they are doing well, and seems that their #'s are expanding each year.
Granted, it seems Grizz are expanding into the area as well, but as of yet, there doesn't seem to be anything bothering the elk.
No wolves around here yet!.
Just watch how efficient a wolf pack, even just a few can take down a bull elk, a healthy one, with the help of snow.
YouTube it, you will see.
Wolves may not be the only factor the wildlife's demise here in many parts of BC, but they sure are a big concern.
So are BBear, Cougars, and GBears, and when just a few of those "lock-on" to a certain food source, and find an efficient way to take it, they repeat it many times over in a year, and they also can do some damage to populations.
Why the arguing here????no idea??
Hope you drop em all up there Gcreek....best of luck to you, and however you do it.

[Rob Chipman]

Look at reintroduction of elk into Kentucky. Stunning success. Like the LML, no real predators. Predators clearly have a place on the landscape, but we can't pretend they avoid eating animals because the prey animals are threatened.

[gcreek]

Look at reintroduction of elk into Kentucky. Stunning success. Like the LML, no real predators. Predators clearly have a place on the landscape, but we can't pretend they avoid eating animals because the prey animals are threatened.

I wonder if the US govt will get the bright idea to move wolves east next.

[Bugle M In]

I wonder if the US govt will get the bright idea to move wolves east next.

Don't think the wolves would have a chance in Kentucky...
Everyone there on their 1st birthday gets a gun!

[j270wsm]

[QUOTE=j270wsm;1946688]Over the last 10-15yrs the wolf population has steadily increased. Yes grizzly populations have increased but that has also caused the black bear population to decline.

Black BEAR population is at its HIGHEST EVER ! Many Many BBs need to be KIlled ! :shock: RJ

i used to hunt black bears every spring. Over the last 10yrs as I was noticing more Grizzlies I was noticing less and less black bears. Granted I haven't actually hunted black bears in 2-3yrs, I haven't been seeing any while out getting fire wood or going for drives to look for bears. Next spring I guarantee that I will kill at least one bear.

[northof49]

Dead moose walking......fresh moose track in the snow once cut by pack of wolves. Moose, deer, caribou, elk no matter.

[gcreek]

[QUOTE=REMINGTON JIM;1946750]

i used to hunt black bears every spring. Over the last 10yrs as I was noticing more Grizzlies I was noticing less and less black bears. Granted I haven't actually hunted black bears in 2-3yrs, I haven't been seeing any while out getting fire wood or going for drives to look for bears. Next spring I guarantee that I will kill at least one bear.

Grizz like fat black bear as much as fat folks like Timbits.

[j270wsm]

That was my exact point when I said, due to the rise in grizz population, the black bear population is down in the upper elk valley.

[chilcotin hillbilly]

Black bears are dwindling here in Tatlayoko Lake as well. 17 grizzly cubs I saw this year while only seeing 3 black bear cubs
. I have traps out for two different ranchers right now as well, a lot of missing cattle east of you gcreek, but I am sure you already know that. Good luck on catching the pack.

[bigredchev]

When it comes to wolves, smoke a pack a day....




My friend told me that last week and I like it.

[LBM]

Other than the LML,where aren't they an issue or an increasing issue? Ten years ago I was told on here that they weren't a problem in the Okanagan or the Kootenays. That has changed drastically from what I read here now. Most coming from Cariboo and Chilcotin and north are saying no game where there were lots a few short years ago. All they see are wolf tracks.

You say they aren't an issue in the province. I say open your eyes and look around.

Maybe some have different views because that is where the money is............

Ungulate numbers have been decreasing in parts of the EK for 30 plus years, and as you say here it wasn't a wolf problem.
The decreasing numbers have even been brought up on here but some of the bigger BCWF supporters on here said there was no problems
in the EK it was just the people didn't no how to hunt. Its funny how one of the main guys saying this is now paid by the BCWF and is
there spokes person holding meetings around the province last year. Went to the one in the EK and listened to him now he says numbers have
been declining for years. I can only guess that money changes peoples opinion.
The only thing that looses in this whole thing is the wildlife. We need a conservation minded organization.

[bearvalley]

Ungulate numbers have been decreasing in parts of the EK for 30 plus years, and as you say here it wasn't a wolf problem.
The decreasing numbers have even been brought up on here but some of the bigger BCWF supporters on here said there was no problems
in the EK it was just the people didn't no how to hunt. Its funny how one of the main guys saying this is now paid by the BCWF and is
there spokes person holding meetings around the province last year. Went to the one in the EK and listened to him now he says numbers have
been declining for years. I can only guess that money changes peoples opinion.
The only thing that looses in this whole thing is the wildlife. We need a conservation minded organization.

Maybe he read a scientific study that told him wildlife was crashing and wolves were contributing to the crash.
Anything less than science is nothing more than anecdotal BS.

[labguy]

Anything less than science is nothing more than anecdotal BS.

Unfortunately not entirely true. People have placed too much credence in science when their track record is far from impeccable.

Science has been proven to be incorrect numerous times throughout history. As new information becomes available, scientific theories have changed and evolved.

The flat earth, Thalidomide and the ping ponging ideas on the benefits/dangers of cows milk come immediately to mind.

At one time Science claimed that Heroin was a wonder drug that cured all. Bayer marketed the drug for years.

Science is not the be all and end all. It is only a culmination of the best information available and best thinking of the day and is subject to change and correction as more information becomes available.

I think that Science sometimes tends to complicate the simple and obvious.

[gcreek]

Unfortunately not entirely true. People have placed too much credence in science when their track record is far from impeccable.

Science has been proven to be incorrect numerous times throughout history. As new information becomes available, scientific theories have changed and evolved.

The flat earth, Thalidomide and the ping ponging ideas on the benefits/dangers of cows milk come immediately to mind.

At one time Science claimed that Heroin was a wonder drug that cured all. Bayer marketed the drug for years.

Science is not the be all and end all. It is only a culmination of the best information available and best thinking of the day and is subject to change and correction as more information becomes available.

I think that Science sometimes tends to complicate the simple and obvious.


Well said Labguy, science also has a habit of being skewed to the researcher's beliefs somewhat also.

I think bearvalley was a bit tongue in cheek with his comments.

[bearvalley]

My comment was made in complete sarcasm as gcreek pointed out.
We can scientifically study wildlife issues until we are all blue in the face.
If a “fix” is never applied the problem only grows.

[gcreek]

My comment was made in complete sarcasm as gcreek pointed out.
We can scientifically study wildlife issues until we are all blue in the face.
If a “fix” is never applied the problem only grows.

Making the possibilities of more studies endless.

Scientists and biologists will not make a decision unless forced to. Decisions mean action needs taken and an end to more studies.

Follow the money.......

[labguy]

My comment was made in complete sarcasm as gcreek pointed out.
We can scientifically study wildlife issues until we are all blue in the face.
If a “fix” is never applied the problem only grows.

Sorry I missed the sarcasm. Should have known as most of your comments are well thought out and accurate.....

[Bugle M In]

Making the possibilities of more studies endless.

Scientists and biologists will not make a decision unless forced to. Decisions mean action needs taken and an end to more studies.

Follow the money.......

And that's why I don't see the using heli to hunt wolves as being possible.
How much does it cost these days to put a bird like that in the air per hour?????
Doubt there is money in the budget for that.!!
And ya, trapping works to a point, but "how far into the back country do they get"??
and from the sounds of it, even when trapping is successful, even with large #'s taken in a year, those dogs come back like "vermin" over and over again.
What is illegal right now..IMO...is still the best choice, the most economical choice, the most ability to hit anywhere and everywhere....I know some will disagree...but it works...
Gcreek, hope your problems come to rest sometime soon....
And I do wish the ministry would stop wasting money on studies, and start spending money on active solutions.

[gcreek]

And that's why I don't see the using heli to hunt wolves as being possible.
How much does it cost these days to put a bird like that in the air per hour?????
Doubt there is money in the budget for that.!!
And ya, trapping works to a point, but "how far into the back country do they get"??
and from the sounds of it, even when trapping is successful, even with large #'s taken in a year, those dogs come back like "vermin" over and over again.
What is illegal right now..IMO...is still the best choice, the most economical choice, the most ability to hit anywhere and everywhere....I know some will disagree...but it works...
Gcreek, hope your problems come to rest sometime soon....
And I do wish the ministry would stop wasting money on studies, and start spending money on active solutions.

Thanks.

Money shouldn't be an issue considering the billions our current Federal gov. has sent overseas.

Helis and trapping can be used together to achieve results. Not sure how effective poison will be until the current population dies off.

I know some are using the illegal stuff. When birds won't land on my winter wolf bait out my kitchen window you know they have been trained somewhere. If birds won't touch a carcass, the dogs surely won't.

[ianwuzhere]

I would love it for a bunch of funding-taken off hunting licenses etc, go towards wolf population control via helicopter in winter in select areas where the hills are open enuf to cover a lot of ground and have good success.. In many different spots in the province..

[Rotorwash]

$1800 an hour give or take for an astar

[Rotorwash]

Where roughly are you located?

[gcreek]

Number 2 died today.

[Rotorwash]

I saw a bunch of from sign by Bonaparte lake today.

[ElliotMoose]

The pack that patrols the Bonaparte Lake area is massive. We caught a glimpse of them last winter while sledding through a slash and there was over 20. The amount of moose a pack like that would take down each winter is mind blowing. I heard they had headed towards the Red Lake area following the game but maybe not... that or another pack has moved in

[srupp]

Hmm flying out of Williams lake on medivac. .used to have to be airborne for decent amount of time..would usually spot wolves laying on the ice...towards the end of my carreer..we were seeing wolves just west of Williams lake minutes after takeoff..
Numbers went from 3 ..4..to 8 ..9 in a group. ..largest group ever was just after flying " through the gap " near the Itches en route to Anihiem" lake in gcreeks" neck of the woods...there were over 15 animals..not exact number..120 mp. .1500 feet..big pack.
Hope the trappers and your steady eye get the numbers down Dave.
Steven

[northernguy]

Shooting from helicopters sounds good in theory. It takes a very skilled marksman a significant amount of time to learn how to do it right (don't let the videos of helicopter hog hunting give you impression it's easy...hogs move way differently than wolves and the terrain they hunt them in lends itself to the use of helicopters.)

Last year, in an attempt to protect a caribou heard, the BC Govt had a helicopter wolf kill program. Pilots on the program reported that lots of wolves were seen and targeted and lots of ammo was used, but hitting the wolves was proving to be difficult. The helicopter company flew almost 400 hours for the program that winter. 87 wolves were killed during the program. That's 4.59 hours of helicopter flying time to kill one wolf! Surprisingly, no one from the Govt asked the crews to get a rough count of the number of wolves they spotted...an opportunity to get some solid information was squandered.

I guess the moral of the story is...save money; support your local trapper! But shootin' 'em from a helicopter would be fun!

[panhead]

Maybe try drones ... I volunteer to joy stick'em from here ...

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A pretty face does not make up for a nagging tongue.

[gcreek]

Shooting from helicopters sounds good in theory. It takes a very skilled marksman a significant amount of time to learn how to do it right (don't let the videos of helicopter hog hunting give you impression it's easy...hogs move way differently than wolves and the terrain they hunt them in lends itself to the use of helicopters.)

Last year, in an attempt to protect a caribou heard, the BC Govt had a helicopter wolf kill program. Pilots on the program reported that lots of wolves were seen and targeted and lots of ammo was used, but hitting the wolves was proving to be difficult. The helicopter company flew almost 400 hours for the program that winter. 87 wolves were killed during the program. That's 4.59 hours of helicopter flying time to kill one wolf! Surprisingly, no one from the Govt asked the crews to get a rough count of the number of wolves they spotted...an opportunity to get some solid information was squandered.

I guess the moral of the story is...save money; support your local trapper! But shootin' 'em from a helicopter would be fun!

I wonder if the shooters were professional marksmen or regular COs on an outing...... A story told me several years ago had an excited CO shooting a hole through the roof of the helicopter on a wolf hunt. Two different retired COs told the story so I'm assuming there is truth to it.

Kind of likening a hair dresser to a heart surgeon, they both handle sharp tools, one just has to use a little more finesse to complete the task.

[Rotorwash]

An ad in a helicopter is a serious thing. Like real serious. Like transport Canada investigation serious. Not to mention expensive. I think a astar
canopy is around 40 k before labour and paint. Not to mention if a blade was hit. They are somewhere around 170 grand a set.

[northernguy]

Local folks were hired as shooters for the project. They had to demonstrate that they could hit a target off a bench at 100 meters before they were hired :roll:! No doubt that had a huge impact on the results. Still...shooting accurately from a helicopter is very tough.

[Sirloin]

Some interesting pieces of info regarding wolves in the latest survey release on boreal caribou herds

http://registrelep-sararegistry.gc.ca/virtual_sara/files/Rs-ReportOnImplementationBorealCaribou-v00-2017Oct31-Eng.pdf

The fourth local population (AB5) increased to ≥ 100 animals in response to delivery of an annual wolf population reduction program.

ECCC is conducting research examining how the abundance and distribution of wolves is affected by human-caused disturbance. The collaboration involves a number of wolf experts from academia and provincial and territorial governments from across the country. The results from the national wolf habitat analysis will be made available to the public in the form of a peer-reviewed article submitted to a scientific journal.

Natural Disturbance Fire is the dominant disturbance agent in boreal caribou habitat. Fires generate forage for other ungulate species, resulting in increased wolf populations and an increase in wolf predation on caribou. The impact of fire on caribou habitat is recognized by the BC Wildfire Service and work has started to develop a fire response/suppression strategy to reduce the impacts to caribou habitat which are included in the draft 2017 BCRIP

Mortality and Population Management Managing predators and primary prey Best available data indicates that the majority of boreal caribou mortalities are related to wolf predation. Radio-collared wolves and wolf census surveys found that the density of wolves exceeds the recommended density of 3 wolves/1,000 km2 in all surveyed areas.

Manage direct human-caused mortality of boreal caribou BC has prohibited the legal harvest of boreal caribou. This does not preclude a Treaty right to sustenance harvest; however, First Nations’ voluntarily imposed a hunting moratorium. Other sources of direct mortality are considered to be low risk.

Alberta manages populations of other ungulate species (moose, deer, elk) in caribou ranges, with particular attention to addressing the increase in numbers of these species which result from wolf population reductions and ongoing habitat change. Management of moose, deer and elk will be achieved through a combination of harvest by Indigenous peoples, and general and special hunting licence opportunities.

First Nations are able to harvest caribou in Alberta under rights identified in treaties. Some communities, however, have announced voluntary cessation of woodland caribou hunting. There is no licenced recreational harvest of caribou in Alberta and few known occurrences of poaching.

[gcreek]

Total missing for this year added up. We know of two cows that committed suicide and 3 calves that died of other causes.

31 calves, 2 yearling heifers and 6 cows. We also doctored on and saved 7 other calves wounded by wolves or bears. Were able to verify 4 head that we will be compensated for. A few neighbors with the same kind of numbers.

Snow arrived a few days back and wolf tracks everywhere.

Caribou with a wolf on it's heels by the tracks ran 9 km down the road last Sunday and then veered off on another road. Never bothered to follow up to see how much farther they went before the caribou got killed.

On a good note, #3 trapped wolf died today.

[mpotzold]

Total missing for this year added up. We know of two cows that committed suicide and 3 calves that died of other causes.

31 calves, 2 yearling heifers and 6 cows. We also doctored on and saved 7 other calves wounded by wolves or bears. Were able to verify 4 head that we will be compensated for. A few neighbors with the same kind of numbers.

Snow arrived a few days back and wolf tracks everywhere.

Caribou with a wolf on it's heels by the tracks ran 9 km down the road last Sunday and then veered off on another road. Never bothered to follow up to see how much farther they went before the caribou got killed.

On a good note, #3 trapped wolf died today.

Don't understand!:shock:
Jump off a cliff?:confused:

[gcreek]

Don't understand!:shock:
Jump off a cliff?:confused:

Cows have a thousand ways to kill themselves. These two got rolled over on their grass filled bellies on a hummock and died on their back. Ruminants won't last long on their back. They bloat up pretty quick.

[guest]

Sorry to hear of your loss of cattle. But thanks for Killing the Dogs.

[mpotzold]

Cows have a thousand ways to kill themselves. These two got rolled over on their grass filled bellies on a hummock and died on their back. Ruminants won't last long on their back. They bloat up pretty quick.
Wow!
The only animals that I was aware of that committed (mass) suicide were lemmings & even that is questionable!

[Timbow]

Sorry to hear about your losses. Did you lose any to the fires? Just curious if the fires had any adverse changes to your cattle? How are the other ranchers in your area fairing?

[gcreek]

Sorry to hear about your losses. Did you lose any to the fires? Just curious if the fires had any adverse changes to your cattle? How are the other ranchers in your area fairing?

I missed this Timbow. This immediate area didn't lose and livestock or grass to fires. The closest was 40 km away. Thinking the final total of cattle killed or missing will be in excess of 100 animals for this little area.

[gcreek]

Bait stations at all three places now. 2 wolves left here at home. 3 at one other place and until this morning there were 5 wolves at our third place. Dan managed to pinch a big, old female. Total is 4 now

[northof49]

Good work fella

[Budman]

Keep up the good work guys.

[HarryToolips]

Way to go, keep knocking em down..

[huntcoop]

Pix, the peeps need pix!

[gcreek]

Number 5 on the 23rd. Guard dog making noise like we may have a Christmas present at the set.

Found a bred heifer with her ass chewed up and a big chunk missing from a hind leg on the feed ground a couple days ago.

I wish wolves lived amongst those that love the killing btards so much.

[gcreek]

#6. big coyote coloured one.

[steveo]

Number 5 on the 23rd. Guard dog making noise like we may have a Christmas present at the set.

Found a bred heifer with her ass chewed up and a big chunk missing from a hind leg on the feed ground a couple days ago.

I wish wolves lived amongst those that love the killing btards so much. I think that is the biggest factor we as hunters face is the people of the concrete jungle and their dis-connect with the real jungle.

[browningboy]

I’m heading out to Basspro today to get a fox pro, never wolf hunted before but seeing there is lots by my cabin I’m going to try my part, I’m at loon lake but have to hit chasm road and get up by Boneparte... try to take off Thursday so long as snow storm doesn’t stop us as the news mentioned

[Timbow]

Right on! We have 3 down this year and hoping for more when this cold snap ends.

I think you may have an idea about hunters sending money. If we could set up an account and a committee to pay out a bounty on wolves it would help out to offset the expense. Something has to be doneAs we all know the government isn't going to do squat about it.

[leadpillproductions]

Interesting idea on bounties

Right on! We have 3 down this year and hoping for more when this cold snap ends.

I think you may have an idea about hunters sending money. If we could set up an account and a committee to pay out a bounty on wolves it would help out to offset the expense. Something has to be doneAs we all know the government isn't going to do squat about it.

[gcreek]

Interesting idea on bounties


Can't use that word. "Assistance" is more acceptable.

Interesting note, this was a female in full heat. About 6 weeks early?

[LBM]

Can't use that word. "Assistance" is more acceptable.

Interesting note, this was a female in full heat. About 6 weeks early?

Theres some good bait/scent for other set ups.

[gcreek]

Theres some good bait/scent for other set ups.

Should have all the boys in the band at that set come Thursday.

[LBM]

Should have all the boys in the band at that set come Thursday.

Well, did it work out.

[gcreek]

Well, did it work out.

I guess the transgendered friend wasn't interested. Yet.