Fire ban and shooting guns

[butterz]

Um so what's the word on shooting rifles when rifle season opens up? The fire ban would mean no shooting in the backcountry as well. Anyone have some insight? Biggest concern is Co giving you a ticket. Here in region 8 it's really dry. Lots of concern with guns starting fires

[mike-juliet]

Fire ban only includes Binary targets. There are no specific restrictions on shooting rifles during a fire ban. However out of an over abundance of caution many shooting ranges have closed to prevent the chance of bullet fragmentation causing fires.

[russm86]

Fire ban only includes Binary targets. There are no specific restrictions on shooting rifles during a fire ban. However out of an over abundance of caution many shooting ranges have closed to prevent the chance of bullet fragmentation causing fires.

It's not necessarily the bullet fragments. The causes of most fires at shooting ranges stem from 3 main issues. #1 cause is use of black powder. #2 is binary targets. and last is using FMJ and steel core type bullets and shooting rocks or steel plates. Your average hunting rifle shooting soft lead/copper (both non-ferrous metals) bullets acceptable/legal for hunting purposes and modern smokeless powder have extremely low risk of any ignition source. About the only way I can think of would be if you have a muzzle break or short barreled rifle and are lying down in tall dead grass when you pull the trigger.

[mike-juliet]

It's not necessarily the bullet fragments. The causes of most fires at shooting ranges stem from 3 main issues. #1 cause is use of black powder. #2 is binary targets. and last is using FMJ and steel core type bullets and shooting rocks or steel plates. Your average hunting rifle shooting soft lead/copper (both non-ferrous metals) bullets acceptable/legal for hunting purposes and modern smokeless powder have extremely low risk of any ignition source. About the only way I can think of would be if you have a muzzle break or short barreled rifle and are lying down in tall dead grass when you pull the trigger.


I Should have worded that better regarding bullet caused fires, you summed it up much better than I

[sawmill]

Every gravel road is shut down here so unless you site your rifle in your yard.............Luck with that. Paved roads only in the WHOLE East Koots. No lakes ,rivers or streams either. Happy long weekend.

[Hunterguy]

As an avid hunter I cannot believe some of these guys, maybe 10 percent are trying to work their way around the ban to get their hundred pounds of meat. If your hunting plans have been ruined maybe take that time to go to the cariboo and volunteer your services to those who have lost their homes and livelihoods to the fires. Go buy a side of beef from a rancher if your starving. Like I said 90 percent on these threads but the other ten need a reality check!!!

[stan]

As an avid hunter I cannot believe some of these guys, maybe 10 percent are trying to work their way around the ban to get their hundred pounds of meat. If your hunting plans have been ruined maybe take that time to go to the cariboo and volunteer your services to those who have lost their homes and livelihoods to the fires. Go buy a side of beef from a rancher if your starving. Like I said 90 percent on these threads but the other ten need a reality check!!!
Agreed,bottom line the southern half of province should be completely closed until conditions change.

[DarekG]

In this August 30 release: https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2017FLNR0255-001499

They seem to define the acceptable road surfaces much better, they also state:


With bow-hunting season scheduled to begin on Friday, Sept. 1, and rifle hunting season on Sept. 10, registered guides and outfitters are advised that the off-road vehicle prohibition does not apply to them while they’re using ORVs for business purposes. Such business purposes would include activities such as transporting supplies, setting up camps and general preparations for hunting operations. However, permitted ORV activities do not include guided clients using ORVs to hunt or gain access to the backcountry.

It seems to imply that areas that are not completely off-limits, you would be allowed to hunt with your rifle.

[butterz]

In this August 30 release: https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2017FLNR0255-001499

They seem to define the acceptable road surfaces much better, they also state:



It seems to imply that areas that are not completely off-limits, you would be allowed to hunt with your rifle.


Thanks guys for the replies.
I feel for the people who have been displaced because of the bad fire season. Loss of houses and possessions is shitty. But let's hope there is no loss of life.......
I'm just trying to get some input. I've read the gov site, about the backcountry access.
Thanks again

[stan]

Now some pinhead got a good one rolling behind Peachland. Too many ******s in the bush now days

[Salty]

My haunts in reg 2, 3, 8 and 4 won't be seeing me any time soon back country ban or not. Not going scouting let alone hunting until there's a big change in the weather its just not worth it. I refuse to be part of the problem. anyone who's out there right now that doesn't need to be there whether you start a fire or not are part of the problem IMO. And I won't be missing much take a step in the bush anywhere now and its like stepping into 6 inches of corn flakes but probably louder.

[stan]

My haunts in reg 2, 3, 8 and 4 won't be seeing me any time soon back country ban or not. Not going scouting let alone hunting until there's a big change in the weather its just not worth it. I refuse to be part of the problem. anyone who's out there right now that doesn't need to be there whether you start a fire or not are part of the problem IMO. And I won't be missing much take a step in the bush anywhere now and its like stepping into 6 inches of corn flakes but probably louder.
Ah, some sensible comments.

[Salty]

Now some pinhead got a good one rolling behind Peachland. Too many ******s in the bush now days

First I heard looked it up and found this
http://globalnews.ca/news/3715134/crews-battling-finlay-creek-fire-near-peachland-b-c/

https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/img_2495.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=609&h=406&crop=1

Fug.

[Buckmeister]

It's not necessarily the bullet fragments. The causes of most fires at shooting ranges stem from 3 main issues. #1 cause is use of black powder. #2 is binary targets. and last is using FMJ and steel core type bullets and shooting rocks or steel plates. Your average hunting rifle shooting soft lead/copper (both non-ferrous metals) bullets acceptable/legal for hunting purposes and modern smokeless powder have extremely low risk of any ignition source. About the only way I can think of would be if you have a muzzle break or short barreled rifle and are lying down in tall dead grass when you pull the trigger.

My thoughts are people watch too many movies and tv shows where someone shoots a gun and they see sparks where the bullets impact or big explosions on screen, and then try to relate that to real life. I do agree with russm86 and the stated 3 issues however. While I have seen flame shoot out the end of a riffle before, I believe there is a greater risk of starting a fire due to hot exhaust on grass and idiots having camp fires. Radio reported the other day that CO's last week had handed out fines for some 25+ campfire offences!!!!!! Was high up on a mountain several weeks ago and couldn't help but notice how green and lush it was compared to the dry, dusty, and crispy valley bottom.

[Gateholio]

It's very difficult for standard bullets to cause a fire. Not impossible, but it's so difficult it should be a very low consideration when it comes to fire hazard. We should worry about stuff that really matters.

[Jelvis]

----> Lightning is what causes lots of fires look it up.
-- lightning iz not controlled by BC Hydro --
Jel -- haha, let's try lookin up a lil more ok -- lightning and ton derrr.

[ajr5406]

Um so what's the word on shooting rifles when rifle season opens up? The fire ban would mean no shooting in the backcountry as well. Anyone have some insight? Biggest concern is Co giving you a ticket. Here in region 8 it's really dry. Lots of concern with guns starting fires

Nope, I'd say starting another fire would be a bigger concern than you getting a ticket.

[caddisguy]

My haunts in reg 2, 3, 8 and 4 won't be seeing me any time soon back country ban or not. Not going scouting let alone hunting until there's a big change in the weather its just not worth it. I refuse to be part of the problem. anyone who's out there right now that doesn't need to be there whether you start a fire or not are part of the problem IMO. And I won't be missing much take a step in the bush anywhere now and its like stepping into 6 inches of corn flakes but probably louder.

It's definitely a first light / last light show with the heat and if you factor in the crunchy terrain you aren't missing much especially if you're bow hunting and need to be within 30 yards. Only deer we had within (my) bow range was a Reg 2 muley doe last light. Animals are mostly only moving to change bedding areas to stay out of the sun. Not that you can't be successful, just the odds are reduced. I wouldn't go as far as to say that anyone out is part of the problem, but the risk is extreme. You're a conscientious guy and I think you would be mindful and wouldn't make any mistakes... but yeah with the skeeters, wasps, crunchy terrain and having to do what the animals do (hide and be inactive 3/4 of the day) it is unfavorable. In some places there is decent condensation so at least brown grass in the morning isn't too loud. QA'd

[Salty]

I hear you caddis I don't begrudge guys heading out where its open if they know what they're doing and are super careful. Its just not for me the places I hunt since moving over here tend to be on the drier side from the get go, now they are ready to explode. Anybody that's out there now is adding risk that's a given its the responsibility of each to manage it to as low as possible.

[buddyrip]

Hey Jellyfish! Check out the BC Wildfire site of active burning fires in Kamloops Fire Center. More than half of the about 16 fires currently burning are considered human caused, ciggybuts and playing with sparky things etc...Was watching some beginner archers flinging arrows with recurves and missing the target butt a couple days ago. Near dusk you could see the sparks when they made contact with the rocks. Just sayin. Myself, I'm staying out until we get some moisture and cooler weather.

[REMINGTON JIM]

----> Lightning is what causes lots of fires look it up.
-- lightning iz not controlled by BC Hydro --
Jel -- haha, let's try lookin up a lil more ok -- lightning and ton derrr.

R u DRUNK ? :-P RJ

[Johnny G1]

Has he ever been sober?????

[butterz]

Nope, I'd say starting another fire would be a bigger concern than you getting a ticket.

very true. But not worried about my gun starting a fire!!! Very slim chance. Smokers bigger concern then hunters

[tyyota]

It's very difficult for standard bullets to cause a fire. Not impossible, but it's so difficult it should be a very low consideration when it comes to fire hazard. We should worry about stuff that really matters.

Agreed .

[1 shot 1 kill]

very true. But not worried about my gun starting a fire!!! Very slim chance. Smokers bigger concern then hunters

Yup you still see smokers everyday tossing out cig butts! Its incredible how arrogant and ignorrant people can be!
The penalties need to be 100x more than the current 575.00 but we need enforecment out there as well to catch these people.
Lots of stories of people being verbally abused even assaulted for confronting people who threw out a lit butt.
If your going to confront them, record it for you safety!
Not that i am condoning it..

[russm86]

Hey Jellyfish! Check out the BC Wildfire site of active burning fires in Kamloops Fire Center. More than half of the about 16 fires currently burning are considered human caused, ciggybuts and playing with sparky things etc...Was watching some beginner archers flinging arrows with recurves and missing the target butt a couple days ago. Near dusk you could see the sparks when they made contact with the rocks. Just sayin. Myself, I'm staying out until we get some moisture and cooler weather.

Again, arrows use steel (a ferrous metal), especially for field tips. I don't know of any bullets legal for hunting in BC that have steel in them, lead and copper are non-ferrous, very difficult to produce sparks, especially on items you'd find in the bush and potentially hit when shooting an animal...