Heard a lot of rumours lately

[Drache]

Had many customers come into the store talking about how the Province is going to be either putting a hold or stopping this hunting season all together for Region 5 due to the wildfires and that there was going to be an announcement supposedly today at noon.

Anyone else hearing rumours like that?

[RiverOtter]

Heard the backcountry may get restricted for public access, but that's it. It may interfere with the start of hunting season, yes, but will be lifted once fire risk drops to safer levels. Happened in 03 too.

[Drache]

Heard the backcountry may get restricted for public access, but that's it. It may interfere with the start of hunting season, yes, but will be lifted once fire risk drops to safer levels. Happened in 03 too.

I was thinking that myself since already they have closed it to ATVs and such.

The first 4 or 5 people I just figured were full of BS but after the 10th person who said they were going to cancel the limited entry moose hunts and deer wouldnt be open until October blah blah blah had me wondering where these rumours were coming from.

[Piperdown]

Region 5 is a big region there are no fires where we have our draws so why shut the whole area down!!!!

[BRvalley]

http://bcfireinfo.for.gov.bc.ca/hprScripts/wildfirenews/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=2846

Full backcountry closure possible for the Cariboo

8/10/2017 11:18 AM


WILLIAMS LAKE - Due to the extreme fire danger that exists throughout the Cariboo Fire Centre and the number of active wildfires, the BC Wildfire Service is contemplating an area restriction for all Crown land within the jurisdiction of the Cariboo Fire Centre that would go into effect at noon, Friday, Aug. 11.
The final decision will be made Friday morning. The area restriction will be implemented if high winds materialize as currently forecasted.

The area restriction order means that a person must not remain in or enter the restricted area without the prior written authorization of an official designated for the purposes of the Wildfire Act, unless the person:

Enters the area only in the course of:
(a) Travelling to or from his or her principle residence;
(b) Using a highway as defined in the Transportation Act;
(c) Travelling as a person acting in an official capacity; or
(d) Travelling for the purpose of supporting wildfire suppression activities.

The Cariboo Fire Centre stretches from Loon Lake (near Clinton) in the south to the Cottonwood River (near Quesnel) in the north and from Tweedsmuir Provincial Park in the west to Wells Gray Provincial Park in the east.

Evacuation orders and alerts issued by the Cariboo Regional District remain in place. For more information about these alerts and orders, please visit: http://ow.ly/9laX30ekdew

Smokey conditions may persist for the coming weeks. For information on air quality, as well as smoke forecasts for Western Canada, visit the BC Air Quality website: www.bcairquality.ca/bluesky/west/index.html (http://www.bcairquality.ca/bluesky/west/index.html)

To report a wildfire or open burning violation, call 1 800 663-5555 (tel:1 800 663-5555) toll-free or *5555 on a cellphone. For the latest information on current wildfire activity, burning restrictions, road closures and air quality advisories, go to: http://www.bcwildfire.ca (http://www.bcwildfire.ca/)

You can also follow the latest wildfire news:

* On Twitter: http://twitter.com/BCGovFireInfo

* On Facebook: http://facebook.com/BCForestFireInfo

Contact:

Natasha Broznitsky
Fire Information Officer
BC Wildfire Service
Cariboo Fire Centre
778 799-2101 (tel:778 799-2101)

Connect with the Province of B.C. at: www.gov.bc.ca/connect (http://www.gov.bc.ca/connect)





Fire Centre Bulletin 2846

[bcsteve]

Region 5 is a big region there are no fires where we have our draws so why shut the whole area down!!!!
They are not worried that you're going to burn, they are worried that you'll start new ones.

[Mulehahn]

Looks like it was just announced. Region 5 back countrt5 closure. Going to suck for a lot of people including me but not worth the risk

[604redneck]

Plenty of other areas to hunt.

[VFX_man]

Looks like it was just announced. Region 5 back countrt5 closure. Going to suck for a lot of people including me but not worth the risk

Out of curiosity, how are they classifying "backcountry"?

Say I have a camp trailer parked at an off-grid friends cabin on private property up a wide maintained gravel FSR -- are they saying I cannot go to it or retrieve it?

[Glenny]

Looks like it was just announced. Region 5 back countrt5 closure. Going to suck for a lot of people including me but not worth the risk

Does it stop here? I wonder what else will be shut down. Area 3 and 8 and southern 7 are going to get hammered big time.

[Surrey Boy]

My tracers will be just as bright next year.

I don't feel bad about not getting the LEH I applied for.

[Drache]

http://bcfireinfo.for.gov.bc.ca/hprScripts/WildfireNews/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=2848

[Glenny]

http://bcfireinfo.for.gov.bc.ca/hprScripts/WildfireNews/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=2848

Thats a fair sized hunk of area.

[Elkchaser]

Unless the weather starts cooperating more closures will likely be considered if it's not already happening. 2-3 weeks ago many folks in the EK were asking for closures, but only about half the province was at high or extreme fire danger. That changed significantly this week where about 3/4 or more of bc is now at high or extreme and many big fires are still active and new ones continue to show up daily. Resourcing for these fires is getting stretched and eventually all tools to mitigate new starts has to be considered. Only 20 sleeps to opening day elk archery and I am itching to be in elk camp, but i also know many folks' lives have been impacted this year already. If I don't get to hunt September 1st and less fires is why, well I'm ok with that... doesn't mean I won't be grumpy though.

[whitlers]

Hopefully we get some rain and cool weather in the forecast. Terrible thing that is happening to our province.

I hope this ban is lifted by Oct so I can enjoy my moose draw after 5 years of waiting..

[Good2bCanadian]

http://bcfireinfo.for.gov.bc.ca/hprScripts/wildfirenews/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=2846

Full backcountry closure possible for the Cariboo



8/10/2017 11:18 AM


WILLIAMS LAKE - Due to the extreme fire danger that exists throughout the Cariboo Fire Centre and the number of active wildfires, the BC Wildfire Service is contemplating an area restriction for all Crown land within the jurisdiction of the Cariboo Fire Centre that would go into effect at noon, Friday, Aug. 11.
The final decision will be made Friday morning. The area restriction will be implemented if high winds materialize as currently forecasted.

The area restriction order means that a person must not remain in or enter the restricted area without the prior written authorization of an official designated for the purposes of the Wildfire Act, unless the person:

Enters the area only in the course of:
(a) Travelling to or from his or her principle residence;
(b) Using a highway as defined in the Transportation Act;
(c) Travelling as a person acting in an official capacity; or
(d) Travelling for the purpose of supporting wildfire suppression activities.

The Cariboo Fire Centre stretches from Loon Lake (near Clinton) in the south to the Cottonwood River (near Quesnel) in the north and from Tweedsmuir Provincial Park in the west to Wells Gray Provincial Park in the east.

Evacuation orders and alerts issued by the Cariboo Regional District remain in place. For more information about these alerts and orders, please visit: http://ow.ly/9laX30ekdew

Smokey conditions may persist for the coming weeks. For information on air quality, as well as smoke forecasts for Western Canada, visit the BC Air Quality website: www.bcairquality.ca/bluesky/west/index.html (http://www.bcairquality.ca/bluesky/west/index.html)

To report a wildfire or open burning violation, call 1 800 663-5555 (tel:1 800 663-5555) toll-free or *5555 on a cellphone. For the latest information on current wildfire activity, burning restrictions, road closures and air quality advisories, go to: http://www.bcwildfire.ca (http://www.bcwildfire.ca/)

You can also follow the latest wildfire news:

* On Twitter: http://twitter.com/BCGovFireInfo

* On Facebook: http://facebook.com/BCForestFireInfo

Contact:

Natasha Broznitsky
Fire Information Officer
BC Wildfire Service
Cariboo Fire Centre
778 799-2101 (tel:778 799-2101)

Connect with the Province of B.C. at: www.gov.bc.ca/connect (http://www.gov.bc.ca/connect)




Fire Centre Bulletin 2846




I saw this notice with a few additional
points.

E and F

I read it as the guides can hunt within their commercial activities.
Backcountry closed in the Cariboo

8/11/2017 2:24 PM


WILLIAMS LAKE - Effective at 1:30 p.m. on Friday, Aug. 11, 2017 all Crown land within the Cariboo Fire Centre is closed to public access due to the continued extreme fire danger and the number of active wildfires throughout the region.
High winds are expected to increase fire activity over the next few days.

A map of the affected areas is here: http://ow.ly/SFhP30elHuP

The area restriction order means that a person must not remain in or enter the restricted area without the prior written authorization of an official designated for the purposes of the Wildfire Act, unless the person enters the area in the course of:

a) travelling to or from his or her principal residence, that is not under an evacuation order;
b) using a highway as defined in the Transportation Act;
c) travelling as a person acting in an official capacity;
d) travelling for the purpose of supporting wildfire suppression activities;
e) engaging in a commercial activity within the regular course of the person's business or employment; or,
f) participating in a commercial activity that a person described in (e) provides.

[Walking Buffalo]

I saw this notice with a few additional
points.

E and F

I read it as the guides can hunt within their commercial activities.
Backcountry closed in the Cariboo



8/11/2017 2:24 PM


WILLIAMS LAKE - Effective at 1:30 p.m. on Friday, Aug. 11, 2017 all Crown land within the Cariboo Fire Centre is closed to public access due to the continued extreme fire danger and the number of active wildfires throughout the region.
High winds are expected to increase fire activity over the next few days.

A map of the affected areas is here: http://ow.ly/SFhP30elHuP

The area restriction order means that a person must not remain in or enter the restricted area without the prior written authorization of an official designated for the purposes of the Wildfire Act, unless the person enters the area in the course of:

a) travelling to or from his or her principal residence, that is not under an evacuation order;
b) using a highway as defined in the Transportation Act;
c) travelling as a person acting in an official capacity;
d) travelling for the purpose of supporting wildfire suppression activities;
e) engaging in a commercial activity within the regular course of the person's business or employment; or,
f) participating in a commercial activity that a person described in (e) provides.






That's how most public land closures work.
Close a road to the public, the outfitter can still use it.
Close a forest to the public, the outfitter can still operate in there.

[HappyJack]

That's how most public land closures work.
Close a road to the public, the outfitter can still use it.
Close a forest to the public, the outfitter can still operate in there.

Wow, that wouldn't be right, fair, or equitable. And no surprise with the dippers making the rules.

[tipper]

Nice that the natives and go's can still access area that we can't....

[IslandWanderer]

Nice that the natives and go's can still access area that we can't....

Two tier hunting for the wealthy people hiring guides?

[BowRunner]

I agree. It does not seem reasonable if closures affect some hunters and not all.

[snipersights]

I think it's good to limit access. It's to risky. One cigarette butt quad spark or broken bottle and. 🔥 He'll I was splitting wood at a guys house the last couple days and he had me keep a fire extinguisher nearby in case the wedge and sledge made a spark. It's gonna suck but hey will still get it done. On the island here two years ago I had to drive about 120km away to legally hunt cause the south end was mostly shut down. Had a lot of fun finding new spots and scouting. Just means us lazy quad hunters will have to rely more on rubber soles then tires this year. And maybe bows???? I hope. I wish the best to all of you in the interior. And hope the weather swings for you when it's time. Even a downpour now would be great.

[snipersights]

And yes everyone or no one. You can't keep dividing hunters into groups (native guide local) we should all be allowed or not.

[IslandWanderer]

And yes everyone or no one. You can't keep dividing hunters into groups (native guide local) we should all be allowed or not.

That definitely seems like the fair approach to this issue.

[Rotorwash]

35 degrees and 5% RH today with wind.. and no rain in sight. its pretty incredible that its as under control as it is.

[hawk-i]

Buy a horse and go hunting!

[1/2 slam]

Two tier hunting for the wealthy people hiring guides?

Just because a person hires a guide doesn't mean they are wealthy. I've met many a "rich foreigner" ,as you call them , who were just working class people who saved for years to go on dream hunts. Time to pull your head out of that dark place that it seems to be most of the time.

,

[BowRunner]

Just because a person hires a guide doesn't mean they are wealthy. I've met many a "rich foreigner" ,as you call them , who were just working class people who saved for years to go on dream hunts. Time to pull your head out of that dark place that it seems to be most of the time.

,

That may be true and good on them for saving. The point is that if closed, it should be closed for all. I drove through 4-30s today along #1 and it's lit up there as well - I've been out of province for a bit.

[goatdancer]

The key word to this thread is " rumours ".

[HappyJack]

Nice that the natives and go's can still access area that we can't....

Someone should file a discrimination complaint with BCs Human Rights Tribunal.

[HarryToolips]

^^^^^good idea.......

[tikkawebb]

My Son and I got our moose draw for Nov MU 3/28. After putting in for 13 years we get it and know all the fires around Kamloops, if they close it down, what happens to our draw will it be good for next year

[Wentrot]

lol no..............



My Son and I got our moose draw for Nov MU 3/28. After putting in for 13 years we get it and know all the fires around Kamloops, if they close it down, what happens to our draw will it be good for next year

[tikkawebb]

In regards to my question about my LED and the fires in MU3/28 peoples homes, property, and buildings wildlife are the most important. Hunting is not that that important that's for sure. Just asked a question sorry if it sounded like hunting was important to me it is not.

[f350ps]

Here's another big area: K
http://tnrd.ca/sites/tnrdtest.civicwebcms.com/files/media/Bonaparte%20Criss%20Creek%20Order%20Aug%2012-17%20-%20Resized.pdf

[Bugle M In]

I sure as hell hope not....but, this is the NDP....so I wouldn't be surprised if some nimrod talked about shutting
down reg 5 this year......
That would be absolutely the dumbest thing ever.....and if that were to happen....
I would never ever even consider voting ndp again...regardless of who was the leader...


I guess there would be a "strong outcry" from many hunters if it were.....something this "minority government" would need to consider, since an election sooner then later is going to happen.

[srupp]

I sure as hell hope not....but, this is the NDP....so I wouldn't be surprised if some nimrod talked about shutting
down reg 5 this year......
That would be absolutely the dumbest thing ever.....and if that were to happen....
I would never ever even consider voting ndp again...regardless of who was the leader...


I guess there would be a "strong outcry" from many hunters if it were.....something this "minority government" would need to consider, since an election sooner then later is going to happen.

I don't think shutting down all hunting in region 5 would be a bad thing.long winter, late spring 2 months of massive wildfires..lightening as we speak. .food banks for hungry that lost everything..great..what for wildlife...
Balancing act fewer animals for winter range versus all animals to give the greater chance come spring .
Besides giving wildlife a chance by not hunting. ..powerful message to all BC RESIDENTS..WHAT ELSE can resident hunters do for wildlife.the ground is still on fire..the flames are 5 km from my home. .most places are hot. .no wildlife going there for next couple weeks..food regrowth? Not before sept hunting season.the wildlife has not caught a break since Oct 2016..10 months?..
My.02
Steven

[Avalanche123]

Good logical comments srupp. Makes sense to me. At some point those critters needs some reprieve before winter.

[Dubya]

100% agree Srupp. I don't think there should be any hunting here this fall for two reasons.
1. Keeping people out of the bush greatly reducing the chance of more fires.
2. Giving all these critters a chance to regroup. Definitely going to be a huge loss of winter habitat.

[HarryToolips]

^^^^^if the fires are effecting winter range, from my experience it ain't all bad...the winter range areas that have been affected by fires that I frequent are doing very well deer wise, and hold a lot of them...my observations..

[browningboy]

Well is there any proof they are shutting down hunting due to the burn or is this solely based on lack of access? I have a cabin at Loon Lake and there are many rumours, be honest still haven't been able to go in there for a month and I wouldn't care if we skipped a season there but I don't know when we can actually go back, but rumour has it there's a lot more bear and cougar sightings around the cabins I've been told

[srupp]

Honestly don't know.
They have poster what, and why is posted in many places.
Right now it encompasses most all of region 5.
I would like to hear a biologists opinion. On what is best for wildlife..but until it opens up..no choice.
It's rained off and on last nite, today it may not be enough but it's 8 degrees cooler..and with rains has to help? Even a little.
On the other side winds...and lightening strikes.....? Bad combo.....
I don't get to make decisions..nor am I any expert. .just been a tough damn 10 months on wildlife..the last 40 days the worst in 100 years..
I have lived hunted here for 3 decades never seen anything close to it..in June..10th? Still enough snow to make Horsefly mtn unpassable. .7 days later powder. .bone dry..yesterday first rain?
June 7th fires broke out..one has burned Ashcroft..Loon lake..now threatening Sheridan lake Highway 24..
The other from Risk Creek..all the way to Precipice east over the Fraser river to Blue lake..that's meeting up? With airport fire North Wildwood...all d that meets up with Coyote creek..150 mile..Dugan lake..spoken lake..
Besides 2 options..keep it closed..no hunting. Or let's go hunting...
I'm unaware of any other option.
One gentleman phoned wanting help with his first moose draw.congradulatons however it's still burning..and where it isn't it's still burning underground..ground is hot..there will be no moose in that situation. .location.
I'm hearing of domestic cattle being shot due to burned hooves. .if true..if..what does that say to you.
Personally if we can as Canada pay for 1,000 refugees per day for several days entering Quebec. .we have money to compensate ranchers and guides..
IMO IF we don't know the impact on wildlife in Region 5..shut it down 100% until we do.
Please everyone be safe, careful and courteous..you don't know what the individual your dealing with has experienced since July 7..
Also..with dead wildlife, domestic wildlife dying in unforseen locations..if bears take over a carcass..they will defend it at your peril.
Steven

[Busterbrown]

Very well said Steven, I have been a hunter in BC for over 40 years, and I still consider it a privilege. My .02 cents is to shut it down for this year. If we truly are concerned about the survival of the game we hunt, one season of closure would help them greatly. Think of the game numbers next year if they have an entire year to adjust to their changed environment

[Fisher-Dude]

Very well said Steven, I have been a hunter in BC for over 40 years, and I still consider it a privilege. My .02 cents is to shut it down for this year. If we truly are concerned about the survival of the game we hunt, one season of closure would help them greatly. Think of the game numbers next year if they have an entire year to adjust to their changed environment

If hunting affected game numbers, you may have something there.

Since it doesn't, it would be the wrong thing to do.

[Piperdown]

If hunting affected game numbers, you may have something there.

Since it doesn't, it would be the wrong thing to do.

x2 what he said, no way in hell i am not hunting when our brothers would still be out there raping and pillaging the resource!!!!

[Salty]

The only thing shutting down hunting in the Cariboo or anywhere else would achieve is adding more financial hardship to the economy which is already suffering from the fires. Motels, gas stations, restaurants etc get a needed shot from hunting season. Its an emotional time and I tip my hat for the thoughts on not putting any extra hardship on the game but really, it is zilch in the big picture. There's a ton of new open country well away from roads that they can cover miles in a hurry they'll find feed and they'll be fine. ps I've got no dog in the race no plans to hunt there this year.

[srupp]

If hunting affected game numbers, you may have something there.

Since it doesn't, it would be the wrong thing to do.

Do you know the mortality figures of wildlife from this fire?...
Do you know what's left for canopy cover feed areas not burned ?
Do you know how far the wildfires have push wildlife ?
Do you know how this whole wildfire has affected wildlife?

Fact is GOS and LEH authorizations are based on wildlife counts, estimations. .and adjusted accordingly..
So you feel it situation normal..hunt as if it was normal year.
Surprise it's not a normal year.its 1/100 year event..so no consideration of the events in your evaluation of upcoming hunting season in 3.5 weeks ?
"NORMALLY " hunting does affect wildlife numbers..if 3,500 moose are legal harvested, plus native unknown numbers..that's a group of animals not available for next year.
Even years of low water, or warm water numbers for retention are adjusted downward to ensure escapement for species survival..GUARANTEE..
I admire your opinion this historical fire will have no effect on numbers, nor behavior, nor location,..i don't know so I don't have your level of confidence .

No way in hell your not going hunting cuz..raping and pillaging by?other hunters? Where? Kootenay? Cariboo burned big time..
This is not about motels, economics..it's a discussion about wildlife in Region 5 this fall...
Srupp

[finaddict]

Very well said Steven, I have been a hunter in BC for over 40 years, and I still consider it a privilege. My .02 cents is to shut it down for this year. If we truly are concerned about the survival of the game we hunt, one season of closure would help them greatly. Think of the game numbers next year if they have an entire year to adjust to their changed environmentPerhaps a season of hunting strictly for predators (wolf bear cougar)would be a nice addition to the break for ungulate populations. Imagine how much more wildlife there would be then.......

[Dubya]

Just some numbers for people saying the fires wont have much affect on the wildlife population in the Cariboo Chilcotin.

Right now according to the BC wildfire website there has been 156 wild fires that have burned 517,769.33 hectares, that is 1,279,408 acres. a good majority of those hectares status is listed as out of control. that number is going to rise significantly without out a doubt.

I grew up on a ranch with 3000 acres, I thought that was huge. I cant imagine 1.2 million acres.

This will greatly affect the deer, moose, bear and grouse population. I would surmise that it already has killed many not to mention the loss of habitat that surely will kill a great deal more.

Unless biologists comes out and says the population of the species is fine (which I cant see happening) I will not be hunting any of them this season. Which would be the first time in 40 years.

[RiverOtter]

Animals aren't stupid like people, I'd doubt very many ungulates have died as a result of the Region 5 fires. All the fires I roamed for a month in 03, I came across a dead squirrel. Others weren't finding corpses either. Ungulates were spotted returning within days of the fire passing though. Fire is weird, in that it will leave many patches of ground untouched, especially when it travels through the crown.

[srupp]

Lol biologists are busy defending whoregans" grizzly ban..if not for survival of species. .which its not..can't see how this could happen..legally.
As for the fire..most are still out of control?..tonight on BC TV it is being reported that THE elephant hill fire is headed towards Kamloops. .YIKES..within 25 kms"?
I feel for the firefighters ..5.5 weeks continuous battle surrounded by flames, heat, smoke, danger..be careful out there guys.
The smoke is the worst today in 5 weeks in williams lake shortest visability"
Lets agree on one thing..i admire FD and appreciate his views on most all things..a couple other statements on a hunting site. .make no sense...made from others.
I'm just looking at this grave situation from up close..really close. .and can't understand hunting going ahead for this fall.
I even question the current premiers hesitation for not running with a ban so far..he is representing Grandville st....
I'm a hunter..i want it open......
I also want game, wildlife for our children's generation..
Thank you for the relatively civil..voices of reason..nice to look at all sides from different backgrounds. .experiences..
I do enjoy friendly educational exchanges.
Cheers
Steven

[f350ps]

What a ridiculous thought, 10.3 million hectares in the Cariboo, how much of that has burned? Using Srupps logic they should cancel hunting season this year cuz all the hunters that can't hunt Reg.5 are gonna put undue stress on critters in the other regions! Ask the folks with businesses up and down 97' and I'll bet they'd be horrified at the thought! K

[Salty]

What a ridiculous thought, 10.3 million hectares in the Cariboo, how much of that has burned?

Province wide about 700,000 ha have burned I don't know about the cariboo. But for interest sake all the provinces fires would be around 7% of the cariboo.

[Dubya]

What a ridiculous thought, 10.3 million hectares in the Cariboo, how much of that has burned? Using Srupps logic they should cancel hunting season this year cuz all the hunters that can't hunt Reg.5 are gonna put undue stress on critters in the other regions! Ask the folks with businesses up and down 97' and I'll bet they'd be horrified at the thought! K

Over half of the Cariboo Reginal Distract has burned, 42,000 square kilometres of the 80,000. Not a big deal at all eh!
If they say hunting is closed here I won't be hunting any where.

Its impacting every business greatly including my own.

[Dubya]

Correction on my previous post. Over half the area has been affected not burned but it still isn't a little thing.

[f350ps]

Over half of the Cariboo Reginal Distract has burned, 42,000 square kilometres of the 80,000. Not a big deal at all eh!
If they say hunting is closed here I won't be hunting any where.

Its impacting every business greatly including my own.
Better go back to math class! K

[browningboy]

I have my 3-30 moose LEH and I'm not going this year, calling them to see if I can cancel my draw, if not oh well give the moose a break after the fires

[Dubya]

Better go back to math class! K

Math Class?? Maybe I should get my hearing checked instead. I thought I heard burned on the radio but it said affected.
Nice come back though. Only the worst wildfire season in the prov in 60 years but let's worry about your hunting season.
Hows the hunting in Tsawwassen.

[f350ps]

Math Class?? Maybe I should get my hearing checked instead. I thought I heard burned on the radio but it said affected.
Nice come back though. Only the worst wildfire season in the prov in 60 years but let's worry about your hunting season.
Hows the hunting in Tsawwassen.
I'm not arguing the fact that this is a horrific year, but shutting down Region 5 isn't going to help! What about Region 3, it's pretty crazy there also, businesses have suffered enough, lets not add insult to injury! For the record, I don't hunt 5, and haven't for about 4 years. As for hunting here, ask me that question on Sept. 4th, I'm sure it'll be very good! :) K

[srupp]

What a ridiculous thought, 10.3 million hectares in the Cariboo, how much of that has burned? Using Srupps logic they should cancel hunting season this year cuz all the hunters that can't hunt Reg.5 are gonna put undue stress on critters in the other regions! Ask the folks with businesses up and down 97' and I'll bet they'd be horrified at the thought! K

Hmm I'm not worried about the buissnesses"" I'm worried about lives first. Your correct.lthe thousands of lakes, thousands of miles of rivers, creeks streams, even the hundreds of miles of granite mountain tops..yes they havnt burned.there is still weeks and weeks of burning left..the entire Cariboo fire district is closed off...
Didnt answer how much wildlife has died? The areas that have burned are some of the best wildlife habitat we have up here.some of what's left can't burn..
There are limited access roads..most ARNT yet safe, someone has to sign a document to certify it's safe so you can fulfill your LEH doe draw..Hmmmm in the big scheme of things...
Approaching $300 million dollars soon...will soar past that if Kamloops gets evacuation order...expensive season..
Everybody up here has lost something..mostly money $$..however a lot have lost homes, ranches lifelong possessions. Our home is 4 kms from active flames.lots of folks having lots of pressures to get out logging..get that almighty dollar. .wood moving to market..plywood prices up 200%.
However insurance companies are refusing to insure these loggers..the mills ARNT either.
If you have more information Ken on why a LEH hunt should continue..I'm more than wiling to listen, learn respectfully..but from up here..like in Williams lake nothing has really improved..no new I'm formation. .maybe looking at the map in Vancouver..things must really look different..as i can assure you it doesn't from up here...it's more than just abstract kilometers..it's safety, access, current losses, prime habitat, over 50 % has been severely effected..eliminating those areas of crags and water that don't hold or feed wildlife..Hmmmm maybe 30%...it gets tricky..when allowable harvest of moose in Cariboo is 3,500? And we don't know what was harvested by FN..in January, feb, March, April, may, June, July, Aug. .how many perished in the fires...so far..
How do we error on the side of safety for wildlife. ..and yet protect hunters who want to eternal areas still o fire..or who's access is gone.or exit to safety if winds whip up smoldering ash.
I get you want to hunt..as much as I do..let's at least let the fires end? Srupps logic..safety first..if it ends well..before end of season I'll buy you coffee if your coming up to hunt..
I do understand your passion.
Steven

[tigrr]

It rained an inch, to an inch and a half in the caribou in most places. Night time temps east of Williams lake are 7 and 5 degrees C. Daytime was 12 and 17 degrees C. More rain forecasted. Watch for the new growth in the burnt patches.
Talk to some fire fighters and they will tell you animals run ahead of the fire.

[HighCountryBC]

The only thing shutting down hunting in the Cariboo or anywhere else would achieve is adding more financial hardship to the economy which is already suffering from the fires. Motels, gas stations, restaurants etc get a needed shot from hunting season. Its an emotional time and I tip my hat for the thoughts on not putting any extra hardship on the game but really, it is zilch in the big picture. There's a ton of new open country well away from roads that they can cover miles in a hurry they'll find feed and they'll be fine. ps I've got no dog in the race no plans to hunt there this year.

You nailed it Salty.

If hunters want to help, take a trip to Region 5 and help out local economy by filling up those hotels, eating at local restaurants etc. The loss of infrastructure, livestock and the like is unfortunate and I truly feel for those people but, when it comes to wildlife, they will be fine.

[f350ps]

It rained an inch, to an inch and a half in the caribou in most places. Night time temps east of Williams lake are 7 and 5 degrees C. Daytime was 12 and 17 degrees C. More rain forecasted. Watch for the new growth in the burnt patches.
Talk to some fire fighters and they will tell you animals run ahead of the fire.
Thanks tigrr, nice to see somebody gets it! K

[Fisher-Dude]

You nailed it Salty.

If hunters want to help, take a trip to Region 5 and help out local economy by filling up those hotels, eating at local restaurants etc. The loss of infrastructure, livestock and the like is unfortunate and I truly feel for those people but, when it comes to wildlife, they will be fine.

Agreed!

Stop by the Hungry Bear and have their big burger. You won't have to eat for a day afterward!

[srupp]

Announced? Williams lake alert" status has been lifted.

[jbruce]

sure it is and you have all the right in the world to ask the question,we've got tags too
,would be good if the gov would roll them over till next year if your area is down due to fire risk.still some time to go for the oct hunt,could rain.lol..