another guide charged

[primmed99]

https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton/202798/Hunting-guide-charged

[Squamch]

Poisoning wolves, baiting bears, shooting from a vehicle, guiding in a park or conservancy, operating a vehicle in the same, failed to accompany his hunter, and "willfully kill, main, wound, or injure a horse."

Seems like a great guy!

[Weatherby Fan]

Poisoning wolves, baiting bears, shooting from a vehicle, guiding in a park or conservancy, operating a vehicle in the same, failed to accompany his hunter, and "willfully kill, main, wound, or injure a horse."

Seems like a great guy!

Yowsa anything for a dollar hey !

[Brew]

Hopefully they throw the book at him. Sadly though I doubt they will.

[Weatherby Fan]

Hopefully they throw the book at him. Sadly though I doubt they will.

Your right Barry, sadly he will plea his way out of most of it, pay a small fine and be out the door with a smile !

[Whonnock Boy]

I wonder if this guy will be up for an award?

[dakoda62]

Should lose his lease and territory.

[Wild one]

Should lose his lease and territory.

I am not anti guide but would like to see the ones like this booted out of the industry

[Iron Glove]

Just curious and not wanting to start a GO vs hunter argument but what is the position of the Guide Outfitter's Association when these types of charges are laid and then finalized ??
The professional association I belonged to would likely suspend my liscence as soon as charges were laid.

[Xenomorph]

Just curious and not wanting to start a GO vs hunter argument but what is the position of the Guide Outfitter's Association when these types of charges are laid and then finalized ??
The professional association I belonged to would likely suspend my liscence as soon as charges were laid.


I think that should be a given and enshrined in the Association Code of Conduct and institution. Instead of being the champions of ethics, and lead by good example, they're dealing with cases like this.

Sadly, doubt anything substantial will be done.

[guntech]

Why not print the story out after posting the link...?

A South Okanagan guide outfitter is facing several poaching charges as a result of a “lengthy investigation” by the Conservation Officer Service of B.C.

James Wiens, the owner/operator of Vaseux Creek Outfitters, specializes guiding hunters to big game including wolves, black bear, cougar, deer, elk and more.

Seven charges under the Wildlife Act were sworn against him on Tuesday, in addition to a Criminal Code violation in May.

The Conservation Officer Service is alleging Wiens used poison to hunt wolf between Oct. 1, 2015 and May 15, 2016.

It’s also alleged he hunted black bear using bait, placed an attractant with the intent of attracting dangerous wildlife (bear), and discharged a firearm from a motor vehicle in May 2016. On the same dates, he is also accused of failing to accompany a hunter as a guide outfitter for big game.

Insp. Tobe Sprado of the Conservation Officer Service said non-resident big-game hunters are required to to guided by a licensed guide outfitter in B.C. Upwards of 5,000 non-residents travel to the province each year to hunt big game, he said.

The same month, the COS claims Wiens acted as a guide in a park or conservancy without a permit and operated a motor vehicle in park or conservancy not permitted by sign.

Finally, connected to the same incident, Wiens is facing one Criminal Code charge of “willfully kill, maim, wound or injure” a horse on May 9, 2016.

Sprado was not able to elaborate beyond the basics of the charges, stating the details of the offences would have to come out at trial.

“It’s been a lengthy investigation conducted by the Conservation Officer Service that we finally got charge approval on,” Sprado said.

Wiens appeared in Penticton court Wednesday on the Criminal Code violation to consult counsel. He makes a first appearance on the new Wildlife Act charges on Aug. 16.

[HarryToolips]

they better throw the book at him...

[Bugle M In]

Should lose his lease and territory.

Yup....this ^^^^

[f350ps]

I wonder if this guy will be up for an award?
Not sure of an award but probably the next guest speaker at the sheep banquet! :) K

[IslandWanderer]

Killed a horse?

Sounds like neighgligence.

[calvin L]

The horse sounds like it was old and turned into a bait pile .

[Chopper]

Should lose his lease and territory.

He will ... likely a ten year ban from hunting in B.C as well

I hope they fine him so heavy it financially ruins him. I am not fkn cool with crimes against animals/wild life

[blueboy]

Another B.C BIG GAME SO CALLED GUIDE OUTFITTER HUNTER THAT BRAKES ALL THE RULES , HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO SEE THE SAME SHIT ?

[IslandWanderer]

The horse sounds like it was old and turned into a bait pile .

Hunting regulations are nothing to horse around with.

[Wrj]

Killed a horse?

Sounds like neighgligence.

#cornydadjokes :razz:

[Cyrus]

Another dirty guide...hopefully it sticks but the courts don't give a shit about this stuff. Public shaming is usually the only sentence like the other poaching guide Dugan or whatever his name is.

[Whonnock Boy]

Not sure of an award but probably the next guest speaker at the sheep banquet! :) K

Im quite certain there was a guide who was caught doing something, and the GOABC gave him a guide of the year award not long after.

[Surrey Boy]

Liberal Party, RCMP, Quebec, certain persecuted minorities . . .

This is Canada. How are you surprised? Get used to it.

[Razor84]

what's the guide in question's HBC user name??

[steelslinger]

Im quite certain there was a guide who was caught doing something, and the GOABC gave him a guide of the year award not long after.

I think these are what are being alluded too?

http://nationalpost.com/news/world/man-named-b-c-s-top-hunting-guide-for-2015-found-guilty-of-hunting-grizzly-bear-with-bait/wcm/19ac7e36-706c-4973-9556-4979cd2fb1cc

https://archive.news.gov.bc.ca/releases/news_releases_2005-2009/2008env0036-000478.htm

[Whonnock Boy]

Yup, that's it.
I think these are what are being alluded too?

http://nationalpost.com/news/world/man-named-b-c-s-top-hunting-guide-for-2015-found-guilty-of-hunting-grizzly-bear-with-bait/wcm/19ac7e36-706c-4973-9556-4979cd2fb1cc

https://archive.news.gov.bc.ca/releases/news_releases_2005-2009/2008env0036-000478.htm

[Glenny]

Should be good for a $500.00 fine anywho.

[tubby]

You have an employee of freds custom tackle who is also guiding and he has MULTIPLE charges against him. These few paint a bad picture on the rest of the guides..

[Chopper]

every guide i have ever known ... even the ones with the best reputations, and think they are holier than thou ... do shady sht

[davbut20]

Many insightful comments here. I have been involved with guide/outfitters since I was a child. My father was a CO in the Yukon which exposed me to many good, ethical, diligent guides who cared for their areas and wilf
dlife populations as much as they cared for their clients. I have also used the services of guide outfitters outside of BC, always asked references about their ethics before signing a contract, and have been pleased with the results. THis guy does not fall into this category. I too, hope the GOABC and the government both follow through to the full extent of their powers.

[boxhitch]

facing one Criminal Code charge of “willfully kill, maim, wound or injure” a horse This needs some research. An owner of any critter should have the right to deal with it as he feels best, without the f'in spca getting involved.

[j270wsm]

Friend of mine had his horse take a bad tumble and landed on a stump. Upon getting to the horse they discovered it had a huge stomach wound and was leaking pretty bad. Knowing the horse wouldn't make it 3km back to the truck and then 200km to the closest vet, they opted to put the horse down. I don't agree with the law but it's illegal to put your own pet down.

[Dannybuoy]

Friend of mine had his horse take a bad tumble and landed on a stump. Upon getting to the horse they discovered it had a huge stomach wound and was leaking pretty bad. Knowing the horse wouldn't make it 3km back to the truck and then 200km to the closest vet, they opted to put the horse down. I don't agree with the law but it's illegal to put your own pet down.
But a horse is livestock .... not a pet .

[REMINGTON JIM]

The so called Guide is just another lowly SKUM BAG ! :sad: RJ

[rec]

Maybe you should let the courts convict first before you all lynch him just saying Innocent till proven guilty

[123.brewski]

Another case of "doing what it takes" to get an animal for their client. Can't even imagine the extent of the penalties, should this have been a resident hunter. Be interesting to see if the GOFABC decides to make an example out of him, or protect him.

[IslandWanderer]

Maybe you should let the courts convict first before you all lynch him just saying Innocent till proven guilty

You're right. I suspect a lot of folks feel frustrated and are quick to judge. They have reason to be frustrated, but should wait to see how this plays out.

[hawk-i]

Guiding is a tough business nowadays.

[j270wsm]

But a horse is livestock .... not a pet .

i know a horse is classified as livestock not a pet. It was just an example I used, to support what I feel should be people's ability to make the decision to put their pets down and then do it them self. Same friend had a 9yr old dog that had cancer in its front leg. He said the vet almost lost his sh*t when he said " I'm not paying ??????$$$ for surgery or medication for my dog ".

[IslandWanderer]

i know a horse is classified as livestock not a pet. It was just an example I used, to support what I feel should be people's ability to make the decision to put their pets down and then do it them self. Same friend had a 9yr old dog that had cancer in its front leg. He said the vet almost lost his sh*t when he said " I'm not paying ??????$$$ for surgery or medication for my dog ".

You make a good point. I've always used a vet for when a dog needs to be euthanized, but I support folks who prefer to do it for whatever reasons- financial, privacy, etc.

[HARDICAT]

It would be interesting to know if they are getting tips from disgruntled employees- clients ? I am not defending anyone just wondering where the CO's get their information

[Kill-da-wabbit]

It would be interesting to know if they are getting tips from disgruntled employees- clients ? I am not defending anyone just wondering where the CO's get their information
And good on them. More people should have the balls to turn in these pieces of shite.

[Pursuit]

If guilty, I hope he looses his territory. Brutal.

[markomoose]

Innocent till proven guilty!!Lots of great guides in this Province.I personally know more than one!!Most guides live rural or way out rural and depend on this income to sustain their families.I met some great guides sheep hunting in their territory and they were really polite and had no problems with us hunting in their area.

[Surrey Boy]

This needs some research. An owner of any critter should have the right to deal with it as he feels best, without the f'in spca getting involved.

The SPCA could be renamed the Animal Rights Tribunal. They're an HRT style thought police Socialist lobby group, practicing lawfare by lobbying activist judges.

The legal line between persons and property is blurring at their behest.

[IslandWanderer]

Innocent till proven guilty!!Lots of great guides in this Province.I personally know more than one!!Most guides live rural or way out rural and depend on this income to sustain their families.I met some great guides sheep hunting in their territory and they were really polite and had no problems with us hunting in their area.

"... no problems with us hunting in their area." They have guiding rights, that's all.

They can get real jobs like the rest of us. Go back to school, move, do what's needed to earn a living.