chinook and socks closed on the fraser, what if

[bloody bellies]

If the Chinook and sock fishery is closed on the Fraser , I would imagine pinks will be as well. you cant open pinks if Chinook and socks are closed, WAY to much by catch, wonder how this is going to play out, I forecast a late opening for pinks, to let Chinook and socks pass by, anybody here anything more of the sock and Chinook return?

[Funeral Of Hearts]

I fished pinks in the fraser for years and never caught a chinook of sockeye as bycatch. It is all about selective fishing methods.

[russm]

You don't have to bottom bounce to catch pinks, Ive never caught a spring or sockeye when casting tiny spoons for pinks.

[Takla]

Whats going on with our fishery??I often wonder if the continual discharge of radiation from ***ishema Japan is affecting pacific salmon survival rates

takla

[russm]

Whats going on with our fishery??I often wonder if the continual discharge of radiation from ***ishema Japan is affecting pacific salmon survival rates

takla

commercial and FN over fishing would be my guess, if its bad enough to close it for the sport fishery it should be closed for everyone.

[IronNoggin]

Whats going on with our fishery??

Zero to do with radiation.
Everything to do with Political Mismanagement at it's finest. :mad:

Cheers,
Nog

[pnbrock]

do the fn have there nets out?

[Boner]

do the fn have there nets out?

No gillnets. Rod and dip nets for chinook, no retention of sockeye whatsoever. The Stuart river socks are trickling through.

Im not sure about the Sto lo guys down river from us.

[Asco]

Save on foods has fresh sockeye on special. Where is that coming from?

[Takla]

where are we in the sockeye cycle?I thought last yr was the weakest yr

[bloody bellies]

I fished pinks in the fraser for years and never caught a chinook of sockeye as bycatch. It is all about selective fishing methods.

you are correct, but 95% of the guys on the banks of the Fraser don't selective fish because they don't know how, so there is still a 95% by catch, then out of that 95% how many kill a sockeye because they don't know how to identify the difference. There will be by catch I guarantee it.

[russm]

Save on foods has fresh sockeye on special. Where is that coming from?

I just got in from save on, an average size "sale priced" sockeye was $60 lol

[Boner]

Next year is the big year for sockeye.

[Hublocker]

commercial and FN over fishing would be my guess, if its bad enough to close it for the sport fishery it should be closed for everyone.


Which commercial fishing on Fraser River sockeye are you referring to?

This year's?

Zero.

The brood year four years ago?

Zero


Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) Integrated fisheries Management Plan for 2017/18 indicates that the 2017 sockeye return to the Fraser River has a 50 percent chance of reaching 4,432,000 fish.


The Pacific Salmon Commission reported that in 2013, the brood year for the 2017 Fraser sockeye run, returns of adult sockeye totaled 4,233,000 fish, more than two and a half times the brood year abundance of 1,637,000 fish in 2009, but otherwise the lowest return on this cycle since 1965. Divided into management groups, adult returns totaled 182,000 Early Stuart, 361,000 Early Summer, 2,880,000 Summer and 809,000 Late-run sockeye.

In 2013 Catches of Fraser River sockeye salmon in all fisheries totaled 531,000 fish, including 411,000 fish caught by Canada, 20,000 fish caught by the U.S. and 100,000 fish caught by test fisheries. Most of the Canadian catch occurred in First Nations fisheries (407,000 fish). In Washington, commercial catches totaled 20,000 Fraser sockeye, with almost all caught in Treaty Indian fisheries.

[bloody bellies]

Which commercial fishing on Fraser River sockeye are you referring to?

This year's?

Zero.

The brood year four years ago?

Zero


Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) Integrated fisheries Management Plan for 2017/18 indicates that the 2017 sockeye return to the Fraser River has a 50 percent chance of reaching 4,432,000 fish.


The Pacific Salmon Commission reported that in 2013, the brood year for the 2017 Fraser sockeye run, returns of adult sockeye totaled 4,233,000 fish, more than two and a half times the brood year abundance of 1,637,000 fish in 2009, but otherwise the lowest return on this cycle since 1965. Divided into management groups, adult returns totaled 182,000 Early Stuart, 361,000 Early Summer, 2,880,000 Summer and 809,000 Late-run sockeye.

In 2013 Catches of Fraser River sockeye salmon in all fisheries totaled 531,000 fish, including 411,000 fish caught by Canada, 20,000 fish caught by the U.S. and 100,000 fish caught by test fisheries. Most of the Canadian catch occurred in First Nations fisheries (407,000 fish). In Washington, commercial catches totaled 20,000 Fraser sockeye, with almost all caught in Treaty Indian fisheries.

Hmmm 2013 FN caught 407,000 socks, was the Fraser open to the sport fisher that year, Question, when does fishing for sockeye or Chinook or for any fish for that matter become a "Staple Food Source" this is why FN are allowed to fish when others are not , correct? well ive been fishing for 42 years and have always eaten the fish I catch so is this not considered my staple food? Why am I not allowed to fish when the FN are? Maybe someone in government could answer that 1

[russm]

Which commercial fishing on Fraser River sockeye are you referring to?

This year's?

Zero.

The brood year four years ago?

Zero


Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) Integrated fisheries Management Plan for 2017/18 indicates that the 2017 sockeye return to the Fraser River has a 50 percent chance of reaching 4,432,000 fish.


The Pacific Salmon Commission reported that in 2013, the brood year for the 2017 Fraser sockeye run, returns of adult sockeye totaled 4,233,000 fish, more than two and a half times the brood year abundance of 1,637,000 fish in 2009, but otherwise the lowest return on this cycle since 1965. Divided into management groups, adult returns totaled 182,000 Early Stuart, 361,000 Early Summer, 2,880,000 Summer and 809,000 Late-run sockeye.

In 2013 Catches of Fraser River sockeye salmon in all fisheries totaled 531,000 fish, including 411,000 fish caught by Canada, 20,000 fish caught by the U.S. and 100,000 fish caught by test fisheries. Most of the Canadian catch occurred in First Nations fisheries (407,000 fish). In Washington, commercial catches totaled 20,000 Fraser sockeye, with almost all caught in Treaty Indian fisheries.

I just meant in general, not this year specifically, I'm sure all the commercial netting has had
ore effect than sport fishing ever could.

[ACB]

Save on foods has fresh sockeye on special. Where is that coming from?
Alaska! Our IGA said their Sockeye came from Alaska . B.C. fish intercepted by our american neighbour's.

[tubby]

Boner, FN have had their nets out of the water for a week now.However prior to this starting in febuary they had daily openings from Yale to the Fraser mouth. Not to mention the illegal netting that happens every night....
Younwant to see the runs rebound? Keep the inriver netting closed!

[Boner]

Boner, FN have had their nets out of the water for a week now.However prior to this starting in febuary they had daily openings from Yale to the Fraser mouth.

Younwant to see the runs rebound? Keep the inriver netting closed!

That's Sto:Lo area. From Emory Creek and flowing south from there. I'd like to see them rebound myself. If people stopped buying fish from FN's, it would slow down the catch rate.

[tubby]

Actually Spuzzum creek and below...
Ppl wont stop buying. The black market with the Vancouver restaurant industry is always growing.....

[Leaseman]

Nets are in the river....every....single....day.

If you think differently, well go take a look!

Whether it be set or drift, they are there. I use to spend many days on the Fraser chasing sturgeon. What you see can make you sick.

[Boner]

Actually Spuzzum creek and below...
Ppl wont stop buying. The black market with the Vancouver restaurant industry is always growing.....

I just checked my fishing permit, its Sawmill Creek. :)

Regardless, the system is all messed up and the fish and wildlife take a beating.

[tubby]

Nets are back in...so much for leaving the stuart stocks alone...
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html

[Red_Mist]

Alaska! Our IGA said their Sockeye came from Alaska . B.C. fish intercepted by our american neighbour's.

I think thats got something to do with it as well (from the south as also). We can close all the fisheries we want but if our neighbor continues to fish .....

[walks with deer]

Anybody else ever go out on a commercial boat on the fraser during a opening... its pure destruction..

Those socalled chinook net opening that are going on. I am sure only chinook are being caught.

[Ovis17]

commercial and FN over fishing would be my guess, if its bad enough to close it for the sport fishery it should be closed for everyone.Pretty much sums it up. It doesn't take a genius to figure this problem out. Too many damn nets in the river.

[lip_ripper00]

Pretty much sums it up. It doesn't take a genius to figure this problem out. Too many damn nets in the river.

OR.... we have been tagging fish for years to check returns. We started putting traceable spaghetti tags in to watch the migration patterns, so are we the only ones that can track via satellite? I think not. Once the are outside the 200 mile fishing limit they are open game. I am sure the floating canneries have been working overtime.

[Boner]

Those socalled chinook net opening that are going on. I am sure only chinook are being caught.

8" mesh...

[walks with deer]

8" mesh still has a large bycatch as the net swings the socks get laid sideways and are cradled in..

[Wild one]

Salmon management in general is a mess and damage is coming from all user groups along with development. Add in increase in seals/sea lions and decrease in salmons food source it is not good.

I am too young to be able to notice such a huge change in the fishery since I was a kid

More and more spawning habitat damaged each year lots of small creeks that no longer have salmon runs

FN seem to have ramped up their take since I was a kid

Sport fishing has increased a lot. A lot more guys who unknowingly wade through reds. Bottom bouncing has become the main way salmon are fished vs the more selective methods of the past. Maybe it's just the increase in the number of people out fishing for salmon but ethics seem to have taken a dive

I won't talk chimerical fishery cause I don't know enough about it

Changes by all parties that use the salmon fishery are needed. Stream habitat enchancement and reastaishing of runs in these creeks. Would love to see a seal cull. Also a more restrictive harvest of salmon feed herring ext

Will it happen to a level to change things probably not because most will keep doing as they do and just get mad about the other groups impact

I don't see a bright futur for salmon