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Fisher-Dude
03-17-2017, 11:00 AM
Fresh calls to ban B.C.'s grizzly hunt are no laughing matter


T.J. Schwanky
Mar 16, 2017


Trophy trick
Left coast politicians are taking aim at “trophy hunting”

I must admit to being a fan of satirical media such as The Onion, which I follow religiously. With so many satirical news feeds showing up on my various social media platforms, however, I always need to stop for a minute to determine whether something is fact or fiction. Such was the case when CBC Radio’s This Is That recently did a satirical report on catch-and-release hunting. Many listeners were outraged, even though the segment was clearly nothing more than some good-natured fun.

Even worse than believing such satire is getting caught believing it, so I’m typically pretty careful before commenting on anything I read, view or hear. It was like that in late November when it was reported that B.C.’s NDP leader, John Horgan, said his party, if elected, would ban trophy hunting for grizzly bears. I suppose many might say there’s nothing to be skeptical about regarding that announcement, but what followed could have been a skit right out of This Is That.

In trying to explain the scope of the ban to the province’s anxious hunting community, several NDP members only managed to muddy the waters. As it turned out, their party may not be proposing to end grizzly hunting per se, but just the trophy-taking aspect of it. The main point of confusion was the NDP’s statement that sustenance hunting—or “substance hunting,” as the party referred to it on Facebook—would still be permitted. Were they referring only to First Nations hunters, or did they mean to include all hunters? As more NDP members weighed in with their own interpretations, the confusion only grew.

B.C.’s NDP takes aim

Then in an interview with Calgary Metro, Horgan set the record straight. Well, kind of. “Our opinion is if you want to hunt a bear for food, we may be able to make accommodation for that,” he said. “But when you take that food out of the forest, you’re not taking the head, you’re not taking the claw, you’re not taking the pelt.” There’s still much to be interpreted with that clarification.

Unquestionably, the call for a hunting ban was designed to garner votes in Vancouver. Indeed, using the term “trophy hunting” was definitely no coincidence—it elicits a strong emotional response among most non-hunters, despite the fact it really has no definitive meaning.

Around 15 years ago, B.C. enacted a requirement that hunters must retain the meat from black bears, in addition to the hide. The province did not take the same step with grizzlies, however. Fast-forward to today. Rather than calling for a ban on grizzly trophies, the NDP could have simply proposed that hunters must keep the meat, as is the case with black bears. Instead, it seems the NDP would prefer a good portion of the bear—namely the head, claws and pelt—be left to rot in the woods in the name of garnering votes.

A dangerous precedent

Such a ban on the non-edible portions would set a dangerous precedent, with anti-hunters soon smelling blood and demanding the same measures for goat and sheep hunts. While the meat is a great bonus—and legally, it must be retained—these hunts are also typically classified as trophy hunts. Heck, why would the antis stop there? What’s to stop them from preventing a first-time hunter from taking his or her first set of forkhorn antlers home to show mom?

As with most proposed hunting regulations conceived by politicians in search of votes, this one is ridiculous. Bringing home all of the animal has long been a part of the hunting tradition and, in many cases, parts such as the head and “pelt,” as Horgan put it, are put on display—not as a testament to the prowess of the hunter, but out of respect for the animal.

B.C. hunters have a tough choice to make in the next election, with the management of the province’s wildlife now a political football. In the minds of most resident hunters, the ruling Liberals did little to help them during the recent allocation of hunting opportunities between residents and non-residents. And now the opposition NDP is threatening, for all intents and purposes, to shut down the grizzly hunt to gain urban votes—a move that could lead to shutting down even more hunting opportunities.

Sadly, there’s no satire here.



Alberta’s T.J. Schwanky is our western view opinion columnist.


http://www.outdoorcanada.ca/Fresh-calls-to-ban-BCs-grizzly-hunt-are-no-laughing-matter

Bear Chaser
03-17-2017, 01:25 PM
Very well written article.

frankthedog
03-17-2017, 02:45 PM
scary stuff

Ride Red
03-17-2017, 02:52 PM
Keep Christy in power.

604redneck
03-17-2017, 03:26 PM
I believe this is where the residents and outfitters need to team up. Strength in numbers will help us greatly.

dellis
03-17-2017, 05:53 PM
I believe this is where the residents and outfitters need to team up. Strength in numbers will help us greatly.

Yes, this.

There are challenges to face and differences that need to be addressed between the GO's and resident hunters, but the bottom line is, we need to hang together or we will surely hang separately!

Darcy

chilcotin hillbilly
03-17-2017, 06:13 PM
You are right Darcy and Redneck time to act like big boys and work together.

weatherbyjunkie
03-17-2017, 07:25 PM
I believe this is where the residents and outfitters need to team up. Strength in numbers will help us greatly.

Very well written. Agreed that as hunters we all need to stand together. If it comes down to it, I am all for changing the grizz hunt to the same as black bear. Whatever it takes to keep the hunt alive!!! I recently had the pleasure of having an afternoon visit with a ministry biologist,in the backcountry,who was an avid outdoorsman as well-it was his opinion that the grizzly bear population is 1/3 bigger than estimated and that the methods they use to determine the grizzly population is antiquated and inaccurate. Ive written my mla,and I attended the "grizzly bear foundation" meeting last fall,we all need to do our part to keep the bear hunt alive and hunters rights in tact

markomoose
03-17-2017, 09:11 PM
Let us hope Horgan and Company don't make it to the "BIG SHOW" cuz you can see where this is going.Every time those clowns get in they F*** IT UP!!I was priveliged to get a Grizzly Draw this Spring and I hope its not my last kick at the cat.The above statements make absolute sense.We go forward "TOGETHER"

HarryToolips
03-17-2017, 09:19 PM
Very well written. Agreed that as hunters we all need to stand together. If it comes down to it, I am all for changing the grizz hunt to the same as black bear. Whatever it takes to keep the hunt alive!!! I recently had the pleasure of having an afternoon visit with a ministry biologist,in the backcountry,who was an avid outdoorsman as well-it was his opinion that the grizzly bear population is 1/3 bigger than estimated and that the methods they use to determine the grizzly population is antiquated and inaccurate. Ive written my mla,and I attended the "grizzly bear foundation" meeting last fall,we all need to do our part to keep the bear hunt alive and hunters rights in tact
I agree.....so how we going to start on this fight??? Do we need to write an informative article to the 'Province' newspaper or something??

RiverOtter
03-17-2017, 09:59 PM
While I can see the sentiment towards compromising to appease the antis, I think it's a very slippery slope. We already know what their end game is, the meat requirement is just another brick in the wall of moratorium.

Next, we'll be packing wolf and coyote meat out of the bush, as bear hunting will be a distant memory.

weatherbyjunkie
03-17-2017, 10:33 PM
While I can see the sentiment towards compromising to appease the antis, I think it's a very slippery slope. We already know what their end game is, the meat requirement is just another brick in the wall of moratorium.

Next, we'll be packing wolf and coyote meat out of the bush, as bear hunting will be a distant memory.

Also a very valid point to consider. I would be curious to see the GOABC's official position or what they think the best course of action is from their standpoint

GoatGuy
03-18-2017, 07:40 AM
Also a very valid point to consider. I would be curious to see the GOABC's official position or what they think the best course of action is from their standpoint

GOABC has supported grizzly bear meat retention for a few years.

GOABC has also been very clear that the problems with grizzly bear hunting on the central coast are with resident hunters and viewing, not GOABC members. Not their problem.

Whonnock Boy
03-18-2017, 10:57 AM
Considering the state of our habitat and wildlife in BC, I find the train of comments concerning. Surely, I don't wish to see the loss of any hunt, but the grand scope says we have far greater problems then losing the grizzly hunt. At least there's a sustainable population that enables it..... Funny thing is, we are losing the coastal hunt regardless of who wins the election. It's just a matter of time.

RiverOtter
03-18-2017, 11:58 AM
Considering the state of our habitat and wildlife in BC, I find the train of comments concerning. Surely, I don't wish to see the loss of any hunt, but the grand scope says we have far greater problems then losing the grizzly hunt. At least there's a sustainable population that enables it..... Funny thing is, we are losing the coastal hunt regardless of who wins the election. It's just a matter of time.

Very true.

IMO, it is also a grim irony, that while many of our province's ungulate populations are in dire straights, there is a strong focus from certain groups to curb predator harvest.

I can here Cinderella playing in the background, "Don't know whatcha got, till its gone"

Red_Mist
03-18-2017, 12:06 PM
Very true.

IMO, it is also a grim irony, that while many of our province's ungulate populations are in dire straights, there is a strong focus from certain groups to curb predator harvest.

I can here Cinderella playing in the background, "Don't know whatcha got, till its gone"

Curbing predator harvest is and has been the focus of most anti hunting groups for a long time now. Their intention is to deplete ungulate populations to the point of a sustainable hunt no longer being viable.

bigben
03-18-2017, 12:18 PM
Hey everyone good read get on board or you will lose another hunt next year and it will continue even more if you want a future for your children and yourself write you MLA and start gripping join a club and power to change things are in numbers lets not come to the point of I could of and did nothing it s ours to lose voice your opinions and vote wisely
all the best JOIN YOUR BRITSH COLUMBIA WILDLIFE FEDERATION TODAY

Wild one
03-18-2017, 02:38 PM
Considering the state of our habitat and wildlife in BC, I find the train of comments concerning. Surely, I don't wish to see the loss of any hunt, but the grand scope says we have far greater problems then losing the grizzly hunt. At least there's a sustainable population that enables it..... Funny thing is, we are losing the coastal hunt regardless of who wins the election. It's just a matter of time.

I would agree the need for change in regards to BCs habitat and wildlife is huge but I will not put loosing the grizz hunt any lower instead it is just another issue hunters face.

Personally I do not believe anyone hunt/game species should be ignored over another. To some hunters the grizz hunt is very important to others not so much. For this reason I do not believe the grizz hunt should just be let go to focuse on other issues as it is important to a portion of the hunting community

Would you feel the same if it was moose hunting on the line?

Rackmastr
03-18-2017, 02:53 PM
Great article and highlights a lot of my thoughts exactly. Slippery slope in terms of the way NDP is approaching this election and so far everything they have said has confirmed my choice not to vote for them.

The grizz hunt is merely one small issue why I would never vote for them, but it's a glaring statement about where they stand in terms of hunters.

quadrakid
03-18-2017, 08:15 PM
I and others have said it before on HBC.First its the grizzly hunt,then what,the iconic mountain sheep being slaughtered by trophy hunters etc etc. It is anti hunting,not anti grizzly hunting.Get ready for it ,there are enough young voters that have no clue as to what the NDP did to this province the last time they held power.

dbergen69
03-19-2017, 09:07 AM
Hey everyone good read get on board or you will lose another hunt next year and it will continue even more if you want a future for your children and yourself write you MLA and start gripping join a club and power to change things are in numbers lets not come to the point of I could of and did nothing it s ours to lose voice your opinions and vote wisely
all the best JOIN YOUR BRITSH COLUMBIA WILDLIFE FEDERATION TODAY

Not to derail a good discussion but what did the BC Wildlife Federation do for us in the allocation process? Seems to me like the resident hunter got the shaft in the allocation process and the BC Wildlife Federation sat at the table and did what?

dbergen69
03-19-2017, 09:08 AM
Don't forget the last time the NDP was in power they did ban grizzly hunting. The NDP are not friends of the hunter.

tuner
03-19-2017, 09:31 AM
I and others have said it before on HBC.First its the grizzly hunt,then what,the iconic mountain sheep being slaughtered by trophy hunters etc etc. It is anti hunting,not anti grizzly hunting.Get ready for it ,there are enough young voters that have no clue as to what the NDP did to this province the last time they held power.
Good post quad, very true.

boxhitch
03-19-2017, 09:54 AM
........... there is a strong focus from certain groups to curb predator harvest. .........Charitable societys with paid staff doing their jobs to keep the fight alive......makes for a tough opponent

Buck
03-19-2017, 09:54 AM
Not to derail a good discussion but what did the BC Wildlife Federation do for us in the allocation process? Seems to me like the resident hunter got the shaft in the allocation process and the BC Wildlife Federation sat at the table and did what?

Because resident hunters are not actively engaged in the political process and suffer from advanced APATHY.The BCWF can only have so much clout at the bargaining table and are treated Persona non Grata thanks to most residents not being involved.
If you remember there was an allocation deal and it was promptly ripped up much like the Teachers contract and three trips later through the courts the Government finally had to HONOR that contract and at huge taxpayers expense.So that is what resident hunters are dealing with a Government that has no honor or integrity so pick your poison and get involved.

boxhitch
03-19-2017, 09:55 AM
Not to derail a good discussion but what did the BC Wildlife Federation do for us in the allocation process? Seems to me like the resident hunter got the shaft in the allocation process and the BC Wildlife Federation sat at the table and did what?Were you paying attention at the time, or just catching up?

charlie_horse
03-19-2017, 10:22 AM
GOABC has supported grizzly bear meat retention for a few years.

GOABC has also been very clear that the problems with grizzly bear hunting on the central coast are with resident hunters and viewing, not GOABC members. Not their problem.

What do you mean the grizzly hunt on the coast isn't their problem? Do they not have guiding territories at all there or have they all been bought out? I would think that losing any grizzly hunt coast or not would affect GOABC as well no?

Fisher-Dude
03-19-2017, 10:42 AM
Not to derail a good discussion but what did the BC Wildlife Federation do for us in the allocation process? Seems to me like the resident hunter got the shaft in the allocation process and the BC Wildlife Federation sat at the table and did what?

The question is, what did YOU do for the BCWF during the allocation process?