300wsm or 300wm

[Woodrow]

If you had the choise between the 300 short mag or the 300 win mag, what would you choose and why, is the short mag much lighter, and does one caliber shoot better than the other?

[todbartell]

Rifle weight is different from rifle to rifle. You can get a 12 pound WSM, or a 6 pound 300 Win Mag. All things being equal, the short action rifle will weigh around 1/4 lb less than a long action. Accuracy is also dependant on the particular rifle, and its ammo. Apples to apples, I dont think you could say one cartridge is more accurate than the other.

I wouldnt pick either, I'd get a 30-06 :mrgreen:

[Steeleco]

He said 30.06, wait till Gatehouse hears this!!!

I agree with Tod, gun for gun I don't think there's tons of difference, if your shopping and a good deal comes in either up take it.

One thing to think about, Bullets. If you don't reload, stop in at your local retailer and see what choices you have for each calibre, Wasn't long ago WSM were hard to find on a shelf?

[todbartell]

there is so many different bullet options for factory ammo in both 300 WSM and 300 Win Mag, that it isnt an issue anymore. Even Walmart sells WSM ammo (although Walmart ammo sucks ;))

[Gateholio]

It comes down to how you view yourself.

If you are not a Luddite, go with the 300WSM.

If you like traditional things, go 300WM

If you view yourself as a lover of "classics" then get a 300H&H.:mrgreen:

[Steeleco]

WELL!!! Who knew, Besides, I reload for 30.06 so I have not clue :wink::wink:

[Derek_Erickson]

I like my 300 wsm its Niiiiiice

[SHAKER]

WSM:roll:????? Just a gun makers dream come true. One more option, for those who have to have the newest and "Greatest" thing. Bang for my buck.....Stick with the real macoy....Wise man once said to me "everything else is a cheep imatation". But if it means an excuse for a new rifle....Then "giver". Theirs always room for one more!:twisted:

[todbartell]

a 180 grain bullet @ 2950 fps is no less or more potent when fired from a 30-06 with a 28" barrel or a 300 Ultra with a mild handload, a 308 Norma Mag, 300 H&H,...a 300 win mag or a 300 WSM. Which is the real macoy? ;)

[Fisher-Dude]

there is so many different bullet options for factory ammo in both 300 WSM and 300 Win Mag, that it isnt an issue anymore. Even Walmart sells WSM ammo (although Walmart ammo sucks ;))

I'll stick with the options the Win Mag offers. :wink:


300 WSM Cartridge TypeIndex No.Wt. (grs.)Bullet Style

Remington® Express®R300WSM1 150 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt®

Premier® AccuTip™PRA300WSMB 180 AccuTip™ Boat Tail

Premier® Scirocco™ BondedPRSC300WSMB 180 Swift™ Scirocco™ Bonded


300 Win. Mag. Cartridge TypeIndex No.Wt. (grs.)Bullet Style

Remington® Express®R300W1 150 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt®

Premier® Core-Lokt® UltraPRC300WA 150 Core-Lokt® Ultra Bonded

Remington® Managed Recoil®RL300W1 150 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt®

Premier® Scirocco™ BondedPRSC300WB 180 Swift™ Scirocco™ Bonded

Premier® Core-Lokt® UltraPRC300WC 180 Core-Lokt® Ultra Bonded

Premier® AccuTip™PRA300WC 180 AccuTip™ Boat Tail

Remington® Express®R300W2 180 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt®

Remington® Express®RM300W7 190 Boat Tail Hollow Point Match

Premier® A-FrameRS300WA 200 A-Frame™ Pointed Soft Point

[one-shot-wonder]

The ammo is cheaper for a Win Mag too, unless you reload it doesn't matter then.

[todbartell]

current factory ammo options :

300 Win Mag

Federal ammo - 14
Winchester ammo - 9
Remington ammo - 9
Hornady ammo - 9
Norma ammo - 8

total - 49



300 WSM


Federal ammo - 11
Winchester ammo - 9
Remington ammo - 3
Hornady ammo - 0
Norma ammo - 3

total - 26


factory ammo is for the weak, anyways Woodrow handloads so factory ammo selection isnt much of an issue

[Dirty]

Pick the rifle model/brand that you want. Go down to your local sporting goods shop and ask what they have in stock for 300s. If they say we only have a 300wm buy it. If they say we only have a 300wsm buy it. If they have both flip a coin. You can't go wrong either way. Search the forum as you will find this topic has been throughly discussed.

[Fisher-Dude]

So basically twice the selection with a WM, and much cheaper. Sounds like the WM is the logical choice, especially for those who don't handload. I would wonder if looking for WSM ammo in 15 years will be like looking for 308 Norma Mag ammo is now. Flash in the pan? Time will tell.


CENTERFIRE RIFLE CARTRIDGES · 300 Winchester Short Magnum
Type - PSP • Description - 300 Winchester Short Magnum • Grain - 150
Mfr. # R300WSM1 · 91321 $38.99 x [ADD TO CART] (http://javascript<b></b>:document.the4form.submit())


CENTERFIRE RIFLE CARTRIDGES · 300 Winchester Magnum
Type - PSP CL • Description - 300 Winchester Magnum • Grain - 150
Mfr. # R300W1 · 91330 $30.99 x [ADD TO CART] (http://javascript<b></b>:document.the5form.submit())

[todbartell]

Federal premium 180 grain TSX in either 300 Win Mag or 300 WSM are the same price, $51.99...so it depends on ammo type

[wsm]

i have a 300 wsm and am happy with it, they are relatively equivelent cartridge's. i hand load. my 10 shot average is 2960fps. 180gr hornady

[SHAKER]

Something about dumping a wheel barrow full of powder in that nice long belted case that makes me feel good:twisted:. I guess my problem is grasping on to "newer" cartridge that you open almost any classifieds paper and can already find a used one or 2 for sale. Been my experience in last couple of years.

[todbartell]

and you'll probably see some 308s, 30-06, and 300 Win Mags for sale too. People buy and sell stuff, new - and - old

[Derek_Erickson]

My 300wsm is fairly nice, I like!

[todbartell]

I like my 300 wsm its Niiiiiice



My 300wsm is fairly nice, I like!

excellent, I believe that is established now 8)

[Derek_Erickson]

8).............:mrgreen:

[Ltbullken]

For me, the 300 WSM has the slight advantage due to short action and virtually the same ballistics as a 300 WM - comments qualified below. I think the 300 WM is better with heavier bullets in the 190 grn + because of the action length while the longer shank bullets in the 300 WSM might lead to a lot of compressed loads, having to reduce powder weight to get the bullet to fit. As I use primarily 165 - 180 grn bullets in my 300 WSM, the edge on the 300 WM is nullified. So, it's a 300 WSM for me. 8)

[Mr. Dean]

300 wsm is (IMO) just a manufacturer's spin on increasing gun sales. Either should serve well but I lean towards the wm.

Most will agree that the wsm is "virtualy" this, that and the other thing... I don't like to live in a world of virtual. I like keeping things REAL. :wink:


:mrgreen:

[todbartell]

buy a 300 Weatherby and keep it real, dawg!

Rifle manufacturer's business is to sell guns. New = exciting = $$$, at least for a while :D

[Mr. Dean]

And fishing lures are meant to hook customers....

[Gateholio]

In a factory ammo version, the 300WSM and the 300WM have identical ballistics.

Handloaded, you can put more powder in the WM, so yes, you will get more velocity.

WSM ammo is available virtually everywhere ammo is old these days. Sales of WSM rifles have topped WM rifles by long margin recently. There is a Wsm ammo option available for any application. Yes, WM options are greater, but 30-06 options are greater than the 300WM options...I guess if it is all about factory ammo options- BUy a 30-06.

Using longer/heavier bullets, the WSM does not fall short of the WM, despite popular opinion. Long bullets *will* intrude into the powder space of a WM as well as a WSM.

As I said before, if you are close minded, afraid of trying a *new* cartridge (PS- they were all NEW at on point) get a .300H&H..Oh yeah, your factory options are about 6 for that...:mrgreen:

A 180gr bullet at 2950-3000fps will kill anything. If it comes form a WSM or a WM, makes no difference.

[hunter1947]

I would go with the gun that fits you the best ,and the one that looks best to you ,also the lighter weigh gun ,the lighter gun helps at the end of the day after walking over mountains.

[riflebuilder]

I just built a 300 WSM as I have a thing for short actions. It shoots geat 168g Accubond (Combined Technology) 3 shot groups are under 1/2" velocity through the crony is ave 3050fps. the load is 68g H414 win mag primers win brass. I am taking the rifle sheep hunting on the tuchodi, I will hopefully have a geat sheep picture to post in Sept.

[youngbuck]

I thought the big sell for the WSM was that they get the same or similar ballistic performance but use less powder.

Is this not correct?

i was considering getting a larger calibre rifle 300 WSM or 3000 WM or 338 but was leaning towards the WSM because of comment above. Now you got me rethinking this

[riflebuilder]

you can equal 300 WM ballistics with bullets from 150-180g above that the 300 WSM losses ground to the 300 WM. If you want heavy bullets you would be better served by the 338 WM or a 340 Wby. I am building a 375 WMS to get heavy bullets in the short action I will shoot 235g X's or 260 Noslers in it. the short mags are good for the lighter bulets in the caliber, the long mags have them beat with the heavy bullets, so it really just depends upon what you want to do with the rifle. Besides no one can have to many rifles......

[SHAKER]

300 wsm is (IMO) just a manufacturer's spin on increasing gun sales. Either should serve well but I lean towards the wm.

Most will agree that the wsm is "virtualy" this, that and the other thing... I don't like to live in a world of virtual. I like keeping things REAL. :wink:


:mrgreen:


Thank you! Gidjits and Gadgets.....We're in a world full of them. Something for the quivering mass or rabid consumers waiting to dump their money on something new.

[Ltbullken]

300 wsm is (IMO) just a manufacturer's spin on increasing gun sales. Either should serve well but I lean towards the wm.

Most will agree that the wsm is "virtualy" this, that and the other thing... I don't like to live in a world of virtual. I like keeping things REAL. :wink:


:mrgreen:

Hmmm - "virtual vs. real". Who's spinning now? :roll:

'Actually', some manuals have the ballistics 'identical'.

[Ltbullken]

Thank you! Gidjits and Gadgets.....We're in a world full of them. Something for the quivering mass or rabid consumers waiting to dump their money on something new.

Innovation to some, fad to others. Either way, I'm bringing meat home with my 300 WSM.

BTW, you still using an abacus? lol. :wink:

[Gateholio]

Thank you! Gidjits and Gadgets.....We're in a world full of them. Something for the quivering mass or rabid consumers waiting to dump their money on something new.

If you ar eint he market for a 300Magnum rifle, why woudln't you look at all the possibilities?

I guess if you were going to buy a 300 magnum, it woudl be a 300 H&H?8)

[Mr. Dean]

Hmmm - "virtual vs. real". Who's spinning now? :roll:

'Actually', some manuals have the ballistics 'identical'.

... The 'new' gun doesn't really offer anything over the 'old' one, other than a slight edge on weight. Some manuals say equal some, if not most, say less.

Frankly I'd buy either if I were in the market - 1st pick would be a WM but wouldn't hedge on a WSM if it were a DEAL.

IMO it was the re-invention of a wooden match - The new match having a plumper, shorter head... Still lights up a fire. :wink:


Either gun will kill anything you point it at.

[SHAKER]

If you ar eint he market for a 300Magnum rifle, why woudln't you look at all the possibilities?

I guess if you were going to buy a 300 magnum, it woudl be a 300 H&H?8)

A very interesting cartridge to say the least. Kind of a sexy tapered brass and some good ballistics to boot!

But availability of rounds and chamberings in "New" rifles is ether rare or none existant. Unfortunatly this beast has had it's day in the sun and is now slimed back into a semi-retirement mode. Not to say the loyal followers of it won't be chew'n moose this winter, but it sure aint in the main stream.

It's all in an opinion wich is better, .300 SAUM, H&H, WSM, Dakota, WM, Wby Mag, Rem Ultra, Imperial mag? You could fill a dump truck with different opinions.
If you really want to see some impressive ballistics, look up that Imperial mag... I'm sure that will raise a few eye brows.

[Elkhound]

How come someone has not told him to buy a .338wm yet?:confused:

:mrgreen:

[youngbuck]

I'd like to throw one more things into the pot...

Synthetic stocks vs traditional wood stocks

Good ...bad...or Indifferent?

Since I only have wood...your opinios would be greatly appreciated

[Mr. Dean]

Can't comment. All mine are wood also.

[Wildman]

How come someone has not told him to buy a .338wm yet?:confused:

:mrgreen:


I would..buy a 338wm.

[Gateholio]

Which is better? Who cares. What is nice is that we have choice and there is diversity.

Wood vs Synthetic, i'll take a quality synthetic any day. Most facotry wood stocks look like crap these days, anyway.

[youngbuck]

Which is better? Who cares

TESTY...TESTY!!!! You need to get out into the bush more:mrgreen:

[Gateholio]

I live in the bush. Literally, my home is in the bush, and wild critters run around all the time. 8)

[GoatGuy]

I live in the bush. Literally, my home is in the bush, and wild critters run around all the time. 8)

Sounds like something off of Borat - next thing is gonna be talk about sleeves of wizard.

Nobody wants to hear about how things go in your neck of the woods.

[todbartell]

the stocks that come on most rifles these days are junk. The 'synthetics' are nothing more than injection molded tupperware, and the wood stocks have no figure or beauty. There are some very good quality fiberglass stocks that come on some factory rifles, and most of the laminate stocks are pretty decent except I hate it when they dont checker them.

Lots of good aftermarket options for most models now, and usually that is the way to go if you want a good handle

[SHAKER]

No wood allowed in my collection. Everything is syth. Even my rugar 10\22 got converted the first chance I got. About 2 days.


Oh yeah, the .338 wm:twisted:. O'l painless as she's know at my house. That is one serious attitude ajusting machine. Especially with some 250 gr. Noslers. She lays out a serious thump'n!