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GoatGuy
07-12-2007, 12:27 PM
Women, kids sought as new hunters

Officials want more B.C.ers to buy hunting licences

Laura Payton and David Carrigg, The Province

Published: Thursday, July 12, 2007
The B.C. government wants to increase the number of registered hunters by 20,000 in the next eight years, and is targeting women and children.
British Columbians will be encouraged to buy guns and go hunting to reverse a dramatic downturn in hunting in the past 20 years, under a proposal by the Environment Ministry.
"Like any business, if I had lost half my clients from 20 years ago I would want to look at barriers and bring those people back," said Chris Hamilton, who is heading a review of the Wildlife Act covering hunting in B.C. for the ministry.
http://media.canada.com/a4b09470-31fe-420a-9bdc-9348816409b7/gun-owner.jpg?size=l Vancouver gun-shop owner John Mathieson says B.C.'s hunting-licence fees are already fair. Hamilton said there are 350,000 registered hunters in B.C. but only 85,000 bought hunting licences in 2006. In 1981, 180,000 licences were issued.


Proposed changes include hunting courses taught by women to encourage more women to hunt, and an open deer-hunting season for new and under-19 hunters.
The proposed changes would also permit a one-time-only, single-season licence for new hunters to go out with licensed hunters without taking a required safety course, lower the price of species licences, and extend the less-expensive junior licence to hunters up to 18 years old, rather than ending at 14.
Provincial government statistics show hunters contributed $48 million to the economy in 2003.
Hamilton said the benefits of hunting include providing organic meat, keeping people active and helping solve "agricultural conflicts," where animals move into farmland and eat crops. For example, he said, mule deer are causing significant damage to crops in the Peace, Cariboo, Okanagan and East Kootenay.
Victor Camele, of Vancouver's Italian Sporting Goods, said yesterday the downturn in gun sales for hunters has been made up by an increase in target shooters who belong to gun clubs.
He said the price of a hunting licence is already fair.
Instead, he said, B.C. should revise the licence lottery system for species like moose, where there are more people wanting to hunt the animal than there are licences. A random draw determines who gets licences.
"It's been five years since I got a moose draw," Camele said. "For some of my customers it's been 15 years."
In Alberta, a person's chances increase each year they enter the lottery.
"That keeps hunters involved and interested in the sport," he said.
John Mathieson, from Vancouver's Reliable Gun and Tackle, said the number of hunters coming to his store slumped between 1999 and 2001. He attributed that to the poor economy at the time.
"Hunting is one of the first things affected by a downturn," he said.
Joe Foy, spokesman for the Western Canada Wilderness Committee, said he is concerned about reducing the firearms and hunting training required.
Foy also believes cutting prices will have little impact on encouraging hunting: "I don't think you get more hunters by making it cheaper."
Foy said there are better ways to integrate wildlife into B.C.'s culture and economy, like ecotourism.
"Look at the tremendous success and growth of those enterprises and clubs involved in wildlife watching," he said.

Darlene Clarke, who runs hunting courses for kids and women in Port Alberni, said hunting is great for the whole family.
"The relaxation and enjoyment, and of course the exercise," she said.
The public has until Sunday to comment on the proposed changes. For details, go to http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlifeactreview/discussion/toc.html. The new legislation will be introduced in the spring. lapayton@png.canwest.com
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Inhuman! cruelty! Why can money drive men to losing their co...Ken (http://www.canada.com/shareit/soundoff/view.html?id=c7a91031-86ca-445d-8c9c-e9b9900ab5eb&soundoff=313593)
People - including women and kids - encouraged to buy guns? ...Mario (http://www.canada.com/shareit/soundoff/view.html?id=c7a91031-86ca-445d-8c9c-e9b9900ab5eb&soundoff=313595)
It is a good idea to encougage more people to take up huntin...Art. (http://www.canada.com/shareit/soundoff/view.html?id=c7a91031-86ca-445d-8c9c-e9b9900ab5eb&soundoff=313596)
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GoatGuy
07-12-2007, 12:35 PM
http://www.canada.com/shareit/soundoff/story.html?id=c7a91031-86ca-445d-8c9c-e9b9900ab5eb

Sieg-MM
07-12-2007, 12:44 PM
Commitment will create results! I'm glad to see the topic is surfacing on a more frequent basis.

WoodOx
07-12-2007, 01:08 PM
Sounds like a bunch of freaky, uneducated islanders?

Whats with some people being unable to understand both sides of an argument without losing it?

lip_ripper00
07-12-2007, 01:42 PM
just read Marcs comment. way to go!!

Elkhound
07-12-2007, 02:08 PM
just read Marcs comment. way to go!!

Me too. Thumbs up Marc. Unfortunately comments from the likes of "Mario" just believe that kids with guns go around shooting each other and tring to change their minds is like talking to a rock Ticks me off

Fisher-Dude
07-12-2007, 02:08 PM
Great post by Marc. I've put one up too for approval by their editors.

Steeleco
07-12-2007, 02:20 PM
Some people were born without a clue, seemingly MOST people.
I wonder where there next steak came from!! I know exactly where it came from.

I put one in also, we'll see. I like this one


That's good, there will be less road kill on the highways if more people are out hunting. Also it will give the men more chance to rest if the women and children are doing the hunting.

Me thinks sarcasm at work!!!

Elkhound
07-12-2007, 02:23 PM
I am awaiting to get my response printed as well....what the hell. Marc inspires me.:mrgreen:

MichelD
07-12-2007, 02:30 PM
They cut mine in the part where I slammed the Province for making sure the words "target" "women and children" and "guns" were in the first two paragraphs.

kennyg826
07-12-2007, 02:34 PM
A very important issue. As a dad, I bring my 11 yr old and 7 year old out on as many hunting trips as I can. My wife has come along on a few occasions. My boys love it. One of the things that I was encouraged by was the graduall implementation of the youth seasons. Hunting for me personally is primarily for meat, but it also has many other benefits. The things my children can learn are as numerous as each day that we spend together searching for our sustinance. I firmly believe that I have the respect of many people because of my upbringing which included hunting, as this has taught me about respect, honour, and integrity. Good on those who are seeking to include women and children/youth in this very rewarding activity.

Sincerely, Ken Grant.

Wildman
07-12-2007, 02:44 PM
I cant believe the crap some people believe. Great post Marc, most of the others that posted against hunting truely do not have a clue and should probably do a bit of research before opening their mouths. Of course they are not all vegitarians. Way to put them in their place with the chicken comment. Not to mention that hunters help maintain a healthy animal population. It is the same mentality that most city folk have against logging...How would you build your house without cutting trees down, how would wipe your !@# without the forestry industry? Come on people give your head a shake!
You are right Ken, hunting instills respect for animals in younger children too. I take my son with me as much as I can.

The anti-hunters are winning on Sound Off - Come one guys and gals we need some posts!

Elkhound
07-12-2007, 02:55 PM
Good post David......

Michel......they always edit what they want eh?

MichelD
07-12-2007, 03:39 PM
Yeah well, being a freelance journalist, my life is ruled by editors and their scissors.

Mr. Dean
07-12-2007, 04:19 PM
I just gave them my 1000 worth.

hunter1947
07-12-2007, 05:11 PM
One problem now a days is so many divorces and the kids are broken up ,all over the place ,everything is at a fast pace and there is never enough time for the children to get stabilized to one parent ,the mother and farther are split and the children are roaming in most cases ,not like it was 20 years or so ago ,sad thing http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif.

MichelD
07-12-2007, 05:18 PM
What is really important is to get on the government web site and reply to their proposals to changes to the wildlife act because you can bet dollars to doughnuts that the anti-hunting wingnuts will be on it after this article came out in the Province.

Gun Dog
07-12-2007, 10:32 PM
Those comments are too funny. There's a lot of Province readers without a clue.

coolhunter
07-13-2007, 06:26 PM
wow ,I saw this news from vancouversun yesterday

Steeleco
07-13-2007, 07:30 PM
This chick needs to practice what she preaches, she doesn't even know which level of government is proposing the changes?

http://www.canada.com/shareit/soundoff/view.html?id=c7a91031-86ca-445d-8c9c-e9b9900ab5eb&soundoff=313665&returnurl=/shareit/soundoff/story.html?id=c7a91031-86ca-445d-8c9c-e9b9900ab5eb

Well I just spent far too much time reading all the threads to date, Even recognized more than a few names, the consensus I got from all this reading is most people from far and wide are in favour of the proposals. Things truly are looking up!!

lip_ripper00
07-13-2007, 07:47 PM
This chick needs to practice what she preaches, she doesnt even know which level of government is proposing the changes?

http://www.canada.com/shareit/soundoff/view.html?id=c7a91031-86ca-445d-8c9c-e9b9900ab5eb&soundoff=313665&returnurl=/shareit/soundoff/story.html?id=c7a91031-86ca-445d-8c9c-e9b9900ab5eb



yup, she should run to the front of the line to be culled!

Frosty
07-13-2007, 08:21 PM
It just makes you shake your head doesn't it. I can just imagine all the urbanites sitting in their coffee shops talking about this.........something they don't know enough about to make a comment, and above all else something that they have absolutley no connection to.

Elkhound
07-13-2007, 10:09 PM
well at least they are letting us post our views as well. They finally put up mine too. Bout time:roll:

Gateholio
07-13-2007, 10:50 PM
More peopel shoudl get out and harvest thier own free range organic meat, rather than buy it at Capers. Moose tastes great! We have no shortage of wildlife in BC, so peopel that care about eating quality meat should get out there and get it themselves, rather than buying processed, medicated beef and poultry.

GoatGuy
07-14-2007, 08:38 AM
I must say I'm impressed.

Lots of good comments - well done folks!

bsa30-06
07-14-2007, 09:46 AM
I just gave them my 1000 letters worth, hope to see it printed.All these people whining about putting people in the bush with no firearm safety training the stiry clearlt states that they would be with an already licensed hunter.This means that they are in the presence of a person who has past the C.O.R.E and his or her firearms license exam, they are learning one on one in a hands on in the field enviroment, my guess is some no most people didn't get this kind of training when they started their careers.I read thru alot of the comments it was pretty easy to tell who the HBC'ers were, some excellent comments guys, nicely done.

jordanpeters
07-14-2007, 10:16 AM
i dont beleive some of the coments from these people, some of the most childest uneducated things i have ever heard ''violent behaviour studies have proven that people who participate in violence towards animals will also demonstrate and develop sociopathic tendancies towards humans particularily women and children'' i laughed out loud at this . these anti logging anti hunting people really have no idea . this is the first time i have seen anything like this i really did not think people were this stupid its amasing trying to conect hunting with drive by shootings keeping gus out of our neighborhoods this is all unbeleiveable . I am willing to bet non of these people have been into the wilderness at all yet can tell us how it is

well thats just my rant

Upearly
07-16-2007, 10:12 AM
Already added my 2 cents worth too. A lot of good comments are coming from people in support of the new proposal. Good going HBCers...keep up the good work...it does help! It's nice to read the positive things being said about hunting. I find it interesting that with this opportunity for the antis to express their thoughts in an open forum that they quickly resort to to the usual insults and name-calling. Their basic arguements obviously have no merit. The lack of replies from them makes me think that there really is only a small vocal group doing all the complaining and that they have nothing of value to add to the debate. I don't think that they speak for the silent majority.

Mr. Dean
07-16-2007, 10:29 AM
I just wished that they would give me another 1000

Steeleco
07-16-2007, 10:45 AM
I know it been mentioned already but we also need to hit the government feedback site as hard or harder than the paper.

hannibal
07-16-2007, 10:48 AM
dang, people scare me. There is a whole tirade of things I'd like to say about most of the comments posted but what's the point? That's the beauty of the age of information: you can know very little about what's going on, and then sound off as if you do... Silly urbanites.

Paulyman
08-14-2007, 11:22 PM
I wonder if all people who say stupid stuff on those forums are all vegetarians? It really pisses me off when seemingly educated people make anti hunting comments while chewing a big mac. If this were a argument between vegetarians and hunters i might be more sensitive to their argument.Humans have only been able to aquire meat without doing the dirty work themselves less than a hundred years, I only wish they could see that when they order their big mac they might as well be pulling a trigger.I believe that hunting makes us a more responsible human, because we clearly understand the reality of a "quarter pounder with Cheese"