Guns and transit?

[Buckmeister]

My son just texted me a few minutes ago. He just started classes at T.R.U. in Kamloops. He said he witnessed a bus driver denying transport to a man carrying a rifle case. He said, "no firearms allowed". Was just wondering about the legalities of such an incident? I know the man has a legal right to "openly" carry a firearm in public view, but is it legal to take a firearm on transit? Or is it a BC transit policy to deny firearms? The little bit of investigation I have tried is rendering no info. Does anyone know anything about such legalities and know where one can find documentation to back it up? Not looking for opinions here. I suppose a call to the RCMP could shed light on the situation?

[Andrewh]

Nope and not on BC ferries either even if it is locked in a case. It must be locked in a vehicle.

I wasn't even allowed to take a recurve bow (arrows in a pack) on the ferry; I was told I was not allowed but this 'one time' I could take it apart and fit it inside my pack.

Unfortunately in this day and age, I can understand the general public not being comfortable with firearms regardless of what the law is.

[Slinky Pickle]

This is what I use to move my rifle around inconspicuously.

http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mVpfXcTNQd1Ns_GgGQW9p8A.jpg

I bought mine in a pawn shop. When I asked to measure it, the kid asked me if it was for an acoustic or electric.... I said, "neither". :)

[Buckmeister]

I found an old thread on the topic from 2008.

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?29807-transporting-a-firearm-on-pulbic-transit

Didn't seem like much was known 8 or 9 years ago. Likely not much has changed. Haven't read the whole thread though. But someone did mention carrying guns on the ferry. They said at that time cases were allowed, but they recommended a locked vehicle so as not to disturb people.


Nope and not on BC ferries either even if it is locked in a case. It must be locked in a vehicle.

I wasn't even allowed to take a recurve bow (arrows in a pack) on the ferry; I was told I was not allowed but this 'one time' I could take it apart and fit it inside my pack.

Unfortunately in this day and age, I can understand the general public not being comfortable with firearms regardless of what the law is.

[Gun Dog]

You'd need to contact BC Transit and ask what the policy is. Get it in writing. Bus drivers make up rules too. If "no guns" is BC Transit policy then write your MLA.

[wideopenthrottle]

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?72794-Firearms-on-Public-Transit-for-transport
old discussion on it from this site....i looked through their policies and did not find a reference to fire arms

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?29807-transporting-a-firearm-on-pulbic-transit
and an even older one from here

links to policies but no mention
http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/377_85
http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/30_91

https://bctransit.com/victoria/riderinfo/safety

[000buck]

My son used to carry a cased compound bow on the ferry as "tournament archer". He would open the case show the ticket agent and have them call the chief steward on the boat and let them know it would be taken immediately to the chiefs office. He did it often enough that they stopped asking...

[Bubba123]

This is what I use to move my rifle around inconspicuously.

http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mVpfXcTNQd1Ns_GgGQW9p8A.jpg

I bought mine in a pawn shop. When I asked to measure it, the kid asked me if it was for an acoustic or electric.... I said, "neither". :)

And if caught, you may be charged with concealing a weapon. Not such a good idea, IMHO

[Downtown]

Having checked the News lately, or just living under a Rock. People without common sense should not be allowed to have Guns.

[Surrey Boy]

Having checked the News lately, or just living under a Rock. People without common sense should not be allowed to have Guns.

If you can't be trusted with a gun, you shouldn't be allowed to vote or drive either.

["No Choke"Lord Walsingham]

And if caught, you may be charged with concealing a weapon. Not such a good idea, IMHOAnyone could be charged with anything at anytime but provided the Law of C-68 is followed (unloaded firearm) adapting a different looking case is the same thing as any other case.

It's amazing how much the lamestream media has influenced the thinking of guys to be so anti-gun! Hating on firearms ownership and desiring to restrict firearms ownership is a hallmark of wrong thinking.

[Bonz]

used to pack my bow in my case all the time on transit. never had any issue. chat with the drivers about hunting and guns most the time.

[Bonz]

took transit with a new ruger rifle in a ruger box in plain view to once. nobody even noticed

[albravo2]

took transit with a new ruger rifle in a ruger box in plain view to once. nobody even noticed

Which is surprising, because when used as a club a Ruger can be quite dangerous and relatively accurate.

I jest, of course, to poke fun at ole' Ruger1 but I haven't seen him around for a while. Did he get confused on when hunting season ended?

[Gateholio]

Pretty sure BC transit regulations don't allow weapons of any sort.

[Bonz]

im trying to find info on that. nothing yet

http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/377_85

[Bonz]

some info on the ferries

he following is copied from the BCF website:

Ammunition: Small quantities of cartridges for small arms, rifles and shotguns are permitted on our ferries, provided they are securely packaged and are carried separately from the weapon. (See also "Firearms".)


Firearms: Firearms may be transported under the following conditions:

Firearms must be transported in compliance with Canadian Firearms Regulations. Firearms transported in vehicles must be unloaded, must not be visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle must be locked at all times when unattended.

Foot passengers may transport firearms on board BC Ferries vessels provided the firearm is contained in an appropriate case or container and remains in the immediate care, custody and control of the owner, and is otherwise transported in compliance with the law. Foot passengers travelling on BC Ferries' northern routes between Port Hardy, Prince Rupert, mid-Coast ports and the Queen Charlotte Islands must report to the ship's officer once on board and are responsible for securing the firearm in a locker designated by the ship's officer. Passengers are not otherwise permitted to have firearms in their possession on board northern vessels.

www.bcferries.com/travel_planning/dangerous_cargo.html (http://redirect.viglink.com?key=bbb516d91daee20498798694a 42dd559&u=http%3A//www.bcferries.com/travel_planning/dangerous_cargo.html)

[Bonz]

https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/1073/index.do

[Slinky Pickle]

https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/1073/index.do

That guy was just an idiot. I'm pretty sure that if you weren't telling people you were on a killing spree and didn't carry a loaded rifle on a bus, AND you found a decent lawyer, you could get off on carrying a rifle in a guitar case.

[Bonz]

for the bus im sure its up to the driver. its his bus. legal or not. radios arent allowed and their legal.

["No Choke"Lord Walsingham]

Thatguy was just an idiot. I'm pretty sure that if you weren't telling people you were on a killing spree and didn't carry a loaded rifle on a bus, AND you found a decent lawyer, you could get off on carrying a rifle in a guitar case.

+1 and besides, it's only a guitar case if one uses it as such. Guitar, gun whatever.

["No Choke"Lord Walsingham]

for the bus im sure its up to the driver. its his bus. legal or not. radios arent allowed and their legal.

Indubitably! It's the Drivers show and what they say goes.

[Bonz]

funny i used to ride the bus when i was younger with a square bass guitar case and always got asked if it was a gun...lol

[Andrewh]

some info on the ferries

he following is copied from the BCF website:

Ammunition: Small quantities of cartridges for small arms, rifles and shotguns are permitted on our ferries, provided they are securely packaged and are carried separately from the weapon. (See also "Firearms".)


Firearms: Firearms may be transported under the following conditions:

Firearms must be transported in compliance with Canadian Firearms Regulations. Firearms transported in vehicles must be unloaded, must not be visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle must be locked at all times when unattended.

Foot passengers may transport firearms on board BC Ferries vessels provided the firearm is contained in an appropriate case or container and remains in the immediate care, custody and control of the owner, and is otherwise transported in compliance with the law. Foot passengers travelling on BC Ferries' northern routes between Port Hardy, Prince Rupert, mid-Coast ports and the Queen Charlotte Islands must report to the ship's officer once on board and are responsible for securing the firearm in a locker designated by the ship's officer. Passengers are not otherwise permitted to have firearms in their possession on board northern vessels.

www.bcferries.com/travel_planning/dangerous_cargo.html (http://redirect.viglink.com?key=bbb516d91daee20498798694a 42dd559&u=http%3A//www.bcferries.com/travel_planning/dangerous_cargo.html)

Keep reading; those don't apply to walk-on passengers...

from the same site:L

Firearms: Firearms may be transported under the following conditions:
Firearms must be transported in compliance with Canadian Firearms Regulations. Firearms transported in vehicles must be unloaded, must not be visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle must be locked at all times when unattended.
Foot passengers are NOT permitted to transport firearms except on sailings between Port Hardy and Prince Rupert and between Prince Rupert and Skidegate Landing on the Haida Gwaii/Queen Charlotte Islands. On these routes, foot passengers with firearms must report to the ship's officer once on board and are responsible for securing the firearms in a locker designated by the ship's officer. Passengers are not otherwise permitted to have firearms in their possession on board northern vessels.
Other Items of Concern:
Transportation of Airsoft guns , Pellet guns, crossbows, bow and arrow, axes and other items of concern.
Foot passengers are NOT allowed to transport these items on their person. Item are to be secured in a vehicle or carried as baggage and MUST be checked for transport at the foot passenger ticket booth.

On-duty police officers, armoured car personnel or peace officers authorized to carry restricted firearms in the performance of their duties are permitted by law to possess and transport firearms.

[Bonz]

ya i wouldnt expect it to be for foot passengers. i just copied that from another disscusion on similar issues

[Stresd]

Rifle of mine that came from the factory in a guitar case. ;-)

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/Stresd/R7_zpsab5f9212.jpg (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/Stresd/media/R7_zpsab5f9212.jpg.html)

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[finngun]

My friend was carring his rifle in guitar case in bc ferries ..somebody was asking his to play music ..well he didn,t:mrgreen:

[caddisguy]

TransLink also says no guns. I don't think they could charge you but they could boot you off the bus or train. That said, I do not believe a guitar case, golf club bag is legally different than a regular rifle case.

Pretty sure TransLink and BC Transit policy is just that... rules on how to behave on their property (ie: no food or drink)

[Fella]

I emailed BC Ferries for their explanation as to why they allow walk ons to carry guns on northern routes but not southern. A lot of BS that doesn't make sense.


Thank you for your email.

Foot passengers aboard Northern Routes are only able to transport firearms under the following conditions:


Firearms must be unloaded
Each firearm must be contained in a locked gun case identified with the name of the passenger
Ammunition must be contained in a separate locked case from the firearm, identified with the name of the passenger


Upon checking in, foot passengers transporting firearms must arrive to the terminal at least 2 hours prior to the scheduled sailing time, and must identify themselves to the ticket agent upon arrival and state they will be transporting firearms. The ticket agent will then inform the vessel and confirm that a firearms locker is available. Upon loading the vessel, a designated officer will escort foot passengers transporting firearms to the firearms lockers before vehicle or passenger loading begins. The officer will secure each passenger's firearms and ammunition in individual lockers. Upon the vessel's arrival at the destination port, a designated vessel officer will meet the passengers at the firearms locker after all other vehicle and passenger traffic have disembarked. The officer will then return each passenger's firearms and ammunition.

Foot passengers aboard our Southern Routes are not permitted to transport firearms - due to Firearms Acquisition Certificates (FAC) regulations, they cannot be transported in BC Ferries luggage carts, and we do not have the facilities aboard to store them. As safety is our number one priority, at this time we cannot introduce the same program for foot passengers traveling with firearms on these routes.

I hope this information helps - I appreciate the opportunity to clarify our policies with you.

Kind regards,

Ellen
Customer Sales & Service Representative
Customer Service Centre
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[Bonz]

so basicly they claim they have no lockers on other sailings is how i read that. and is so old they still quote FAC rules, i bet they do have lockers, just used for diff purposes

[BRvalley]

I rode the skytrain with my rifle in a pelican case, nobody asked me questions...I did put some fishing stickers on the case for good measure

[Fella]

so basicly they claim they have no lockers on other sailings is how i read that. and is so old they still quote FAC rules, i bet they do have lockers, just used for diff purposes
That's basically what my reply was. Throw 2 or 3 lockers on and you're golden.

[hoochie]

FAC rules?
Last FAC I had was what? 1994?

[Squamch]

I imagine the difference is that the southern routes are an hour or two aboard, the northern routes are longer, and serve liquor.

[Bonz]

lol, done that on a greyhound, float tube, dissmatled rilfes, fishing gear, tent, all my camp stuff all stuffed in a big hockey bag..lol

[stixnstones]

I traveled on a greyhound bus from Houston Bc to merrit with my bow n gun in a locked gun case this October without a issue at all. No one questioned me.

[Bonz]

ive been searched and hastled for my carry on bags more than any other. every since buddy went postal and lopped off the doods head. i travlled across canada just after that and wow. what a pain in the ass

[howa1500]

And if caught, you may be charged with concealing a weapon. Not such a good idea, IMHO

Where does the law specify what a gun case should look like?

The key is firearm needs to be unloaded, and locked.

["No Choke"Lord Walsingham]

Where does the law specify what a gun case should look like?

The key is firearm needs to be unloaded, and locked.For Transportation purposes (whenever a gun is legally considered to be in transport under c-68/ccc) firearm(s) are not required to be locked.

[dmaxtech]

I think common sense would say that you should lock your firearm if it is being transported on a bus. Especially if it is not with you but stored under the bus with the luggage.

[Bonz]

must and recomended are 2 diff things though, law doesnt say it must be locked, ya its common sence. but not a law...for long guns