wt does

[butthead]

well any one gettin any?

[Rhyno]

Took my buddy out on the weekend, he has a broken foot so we were truck hunting. Found him a dry doe, but a lot of the deer were really spooky, I think they are catching on after few years of antlerless GOS!

[Buckmeister]

Plan on getting one this weekend hopefully.

[HarryToolips]

Took my buddy out on the weekend, he has a broken foot so we were truck hunting. Found him a dry doe, but a lot of the deer were really spooky, I think they are catching on after few years of antlerless GOS!
They sure are...don't see them by the roads near as often as years past..

[Seeadler]

I've got my eye on a yearling, it's just been raining and I don't want to get wet.

[hoochie]

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy284/mrmabley/20161010_181738_zpsocnwuys2.jpg (http://s800.photobucket.com/user/mrmabley/media/20161010_181738_zpsocnwuys2.jpg.html)

[rocksteady]

Hopefully this afternoon... If it stops raining..

[wideopenthrottle]

this tiny one in my avatar....
here is the story that I copied from BCBS
http://bigshotsbc.ca/showthread.php?14462-To-shoot-or-not-to-shoot&highlight=shoot+or+not

[sawmill]

Hopefully this afternoon... If it stops raining..

Was thinking the same thing Mike. Yesterday morning the game was moving a lot, they can feel the crap weather coming in. Saw 8 or so does but all with fawns, one had triplets.60+ elk, five point bull was the biggest. I hate hunting on the weekend but I`m going out anyway tomorrow.

[Fisher-Dude]

Hopefully this afternoon... If it stops raining..

Rain and snow finally stopped here at 12:30 pm yesterday.

By 1:30 pm I was loading a doe into the truck.

[Glassman]

Took 3 days but finally saw some. Never got a shot. I wont shoot at a running deer thats more than a hundred yards away. Seen WAY less whitetail does than in previous years, but have seen way more Mule Deer does, but have not see a buck yet this year.

[rocksteady]

Took out a new hunter this afternoon.. I had a wt tag, so did he...

we we saw and he killed a spike by 2....

damn, helping other hunters is really cramping my tag cutting..

gonna go go solo in the AM... Me Me Me...

[358mag]

Rain and snow finally stopped here at 12:30 pm yesterday.

By 1:30 pm I was loading a doe into the truck.
Con grats hope the pack out wasn't too bad

[Fisher-Dude]

Con grats hope the pack out wasn't too bad

Thanks 358, it slipped along that wet, snowy grass very nicely.

You'd like the boomstick - Model 8000 Imperial.

[anethema]

Got one this weekend. I don't much like shooting does but dislocated shoulder so freezer has been bare. Figured I'd drop one with no fawn and then keep an eye out for bucks and moose on the property.

Layed on the roof of my pole barn as it got light and saw one munching its way down the lane. Watched it for quite a while(10 mins) as it walked out to about 300 yards. Figured then or never since I was using my wife's .243 (dislocated shoulder makes the 30.06 a bit painful even if it is the other shoulder). Also figured if there was a fawn it would have shown itself by now as the deer was approaching a field.

Pulled the trigger and it ran a bit and dropped. Checked on it and got her through the lungs. Also found...full milk teats :( I never saw a fawn so I hope she lost it previously but man I hate that.

On a lighter note I'm super happy at what the Barnes TTSX did at 290 yards with a lowly .243. Blew a hole the size of a small orange from one side. The deer was easy to track through the snow with massive blood speckling from the lungs as it ran (though it was only 50 yards or so). I had whistled and it just turned towards me a bit and I shot it just in front of the left front leg, and it went back through the lungs and exited the ribs.

IN:http://i.imgur.com/JI1VxuQ.jpg
(http://i.imgur.com/JI1VxuQ.jpg)
Out: http://i.imgur.com/drY0SlG.jpg

(http://i.imgur.com/drY0SlG.jpg)Unreal I didn't think the 243 could go through 2 feet of deer, break ribs and blow a massive exit hole at ~300 yards. I was wondering if it would be enough for moose and there seems to be lots of contention, but after this I'm not too worried. Love those TTSX bullets. (Barnes brand factory load)

The shot: http://i.imgur.com/Y8bxH9b.jpg

Also, the wife gutted , drug home with quad, and skinned then hung the thing basically alone (with my instruction..I've only got one good arm). Pretty proud of her. I've never seen such a bloody fat deer too. She's been eating good.

[rocksteady]

In all honesty.

At this time of year the fawns are weened and eating solid food. If the biologists thought it was detrimental to fawn survival they would move the season later.

I was told that is why they got rid of the archery wt doe season which used to be September 1 to 10th

[Seeadler]

In all honesty.

At this time of year the fawns are weened and eating solid food. If the biologists thought it was detrimental to fawn survival they would move the season later.

I was told that is why they got rid of the archery wt doe season which used to be September 1 to 10th

I saw a fawn nursing yesterday. Few years ago I shot a wet doe late November, watched her for 20 minutes and never saw a fawn.

I don't like shooting does with fawns since I don't think their body condition is as good as those w/o fawns. I'd take a fawn if they had more meat on them.

[huckleberry]

My own personal choice, I don't shoot does, but I'm not criticising anyone that does. Just glad they cut it back to one.Now they have to get it out of elk season. Maybe one week, first week of November.

[anethema]

Ya I normally try to avoid does and just don't shoot them if they have a fawn, but legal is legal. I just felt a bit bad when I saw the teats loaded full of milk. When I cut through them prob a liter of milk came out. Fawn was either hidden and ran the other way, or she lost it recently.

I keep hay and grain out for the deer during the winter anyways so the deer has a good shot if it sticks around here. I like to encourage more population and more population to stick around my property :D

[scoutlt1]

Got one this weekend. I don't much like shooting does but dislocated shoulder so freezer has been bare. Figured I'd drop one with no fawn and then keep an eye out for bucks and moose on the property.

Layed on the roof of my pole barn as it got light and saw one munching its way down the lane. Watched it for quite a while(10 mins) as it walked out to about 300 yards. Figured then or never since I was using my wife's .243 (dislocated shoulder makes the 30.06 a bit painful even if it is the other shoulder). Also figured if there was a fawn it would have shown itself by now as the deer was approaching a field.

Pulled the trigger and it ran a bit and dropped. Checked on it and got her through the lungs. Also found...full milk teats :( I never saw a fawn so I hope she lost it previously but man I hate that.

On a lighter note I'm super happy at what the Barnes TTSX did at 290 yards with a lowly .243. Blew a hole the size of a small orange from one side. The deer was easy to track through the snow with massive blood speckling from the lungs as it ran (though it was only 50 yards or so). I had whistled and it just turned towards me a bit and I shot it just in front of the left front leg, and it went back through the lungs and exited the ribs.

IN:http://i.imgur.com/JI1VxuQ.jpg
(http://i.imgur.com/JI1VxuQ.jpg)
Out: http://i.imgur.com/drY0SlG.jpg

(http://i.imgur.com/drY0SlG.jpg)Unreal I didn't think the 243 could go through 2 feet of deer, break ribs and blow a massive exit hole at ~300 yards. I was wondering if it would be enough for moose and there seems to be lots of contention, but after this I'm not too worried. Love those TTSX bullets. (Barnes brand factory load)

The shot: http://i.imgur.com/Y8bxH9b.jpg

Also, the wife gutted , drug home with quad, and skinned then hung the thing basically alone (with my instruction..I've only got one good arm). Pretty proud of her. I've never seen such a bloody fat deer too. She's been eating good.


I don't want to sound like a dick.....but....

"It is unlawful to hunt or discharge a firearmwithin 100 m of a church, school building,school yard, playground, regional district park,dwelling house, or farm or ranch buildingthat is occupied by persons or domesticanimals".

Maybe it's best that you delete your third pic....

[anethema]

What third pic :)

But seriously, it is not legal to shoot within 100m of my own home, even if there is no one in it ? Not only is it mine, but it was not occupied at the time since I was the only one on the land.

[rocksteady]

What third pic :)

But seriously, it is not legal to shoot within 100m of my own home, even if there is no one in it ? Not only is it mine, but it was not occupied at the time since I was the only one on the land.


Your house no problem .. just the HBC saints marching in.

[scoutlt1]

Your house no problem .. just the HBC saints marching in.

No "saint" here.....just how I've read the regs that's all.....

I've been wrong before.

[anethema]

Honestly I can't find fault with your reading of the regs. I even drilled into the Wildlife act and can't find an exception for your own house. I can't see a problem with it but seems kind of weird.

[scoutlt1]

Honestly I can't find fault with your reading of the regs. I even drilled into the Wildlife act and can't find an exception for your own house. I can't see a problem with it but seems kind of weird.


Like I said, I could be all wrong on this.

Just pointing it out that's all........ :)

[finngun]

Yep,,from ya own home ya are able to shoot moose from ya bedroom window -my dream---( but wake up darling wifey first ) if neighbor is not too close ,,less than 100y..unless ask permission..:cool:

[rocksteady]

No "saint" here.....just how I've read the regs that's all.....

I've been wrong before.


If if it's your house would you not know who is home and what they were doing?

Thats my interpretation..

[butthead]

[mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[hoochie]

If I do something that someone feels is wrong, I would much prefer a PM than a public call out.
Some people may stop posting pics on here if everyone gets jumped on all the time.

[ruger#1]

I helped a guy mid week. He shot a doe. It had an antler on its head and no landing gear. It was also not a dry doe. My father shot one. And I had a chance at a nice buck Thursday. He still walks.

[ryanonthevedder]

I got my first one this weekend. Too small though.. I'll be waiting for a bigger one next year.

First time cutting and wrapping too. Had some tenderloin carpaccio for a snack tonight

[bucka]

I'm not one for shooting does and haven't in like 25 years but last week three buddies wanted to go so I went along and we each got one. They were all pretty spooky and fast as f@c# (the deer, not my buddies) but quite a few around. Butchering her up today.

[Ron.C]

Yep, got my doe on the opener. Have no issue shooting them. There is no shortage of WT does where we hunt, they are delicious, and not allot of work.

[Xenomorph]

Big dry doe
http://i64.tinypic.com/5umtyv.jpg

...superb meat
http://i68.tinypic.com/zl42ec.jpg

[ryanonthevedder]

The boy and I carving up my first white tail. Cooked up the shanks tonight and they were excellent.

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh519/ryanonthevedder/deer_zpsj55wcyvi.jpg (http://s1249.photobucket.com/user/ryanonthevedder/media/deer_zpsj55wcyvi.jpg.html)

[Seeadler]

Good work guys!

[Trojans16]

Last weekends pack out:
http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag241/blair_gray6/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-10/9D24AEE5-2964-4C1C-BC7C-2909337095DA_zpsloukiddv.jpg (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/blair_gray6/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-10/9D24AEE5-2964-4C1C-BC7C-2909337095DA_zpsloukiddv.jpg.html)

Father in law got another today. Time to focus on ones with antlers...

[Looking_4_Jerky]

I spared the life of a fawn last night. I'd love to claim it was my compassion, but really I was just feeling lazy and didn't want to go through the hassle for a poodle sized critter. As for shooting mom and leaving the fawn, no way. Have accidentally shot lactating does in Nov and I'm not going there. IMO, the whole claim that fawns will get by without mama is what hunters say to make themselves feel better about either mistakenly shooting a doe with a fawn or not caring enough to look in the first place. Not saying they'll never survive, but after encountering orphaned fawns in the wild, it is obvious they are easy pickings for whatever animal would want them. Between predator avoidance and the other survival skills that best equip fawns to last through to yearling stage, I think their chances are hugely reduced.

[Fisher-Dude]

I spared the life of a fawn last night. I'd love to claim it was my compassion, but really I was just feeling lazy and didn't want to go through the hassle for a poodle sized critter. As for shooting mom and leaving the fawn, no way. Have accidentally shot lactating does in Nov and I'm not going there. IMO, the whole claim that fawns will get by without mama is what hunters say to make themselves feel better about either mistakenly shooting a doe with a fawn or not caring enough to look in the first place. Not saying they'll never survive, but after encountering orphaned fawns in the wild, it is obvious they are easy pickings for whatever animal would want them.

Actually, the most conservative biologist I have ever dealt with told me that the fawns are just fine after the doe is shot. Whitetails are gregarious, and quickly join other deer after finding themselves alone.

Having said that, the wife refused to shoot a doe last weekend that had a fawn with it, just because she didn't "feel right" about it. So, do what floats your boat. But there's no biological issue with sending that fawn off on its own by the time the October doe season rolls around. Hell, some WT fawns get bred at 6 - 7 months of age!

[HarryToolips]

^^^I get what your saying, but I would think as long as they don't have spots ie a little more mature, they would be fine then I'm sure...have you seen how the majority of whitetails group up on winter range? Usually lots of them in maternal groups, so I'm sure others adopt them..
'

[Looking_4_Jerky]

Agreed that they are pretty gregarious and that even if they are not physically "adopted", they will probably keep a close enough proximity to other deer that they can mimic the others' behavior and that can possibly be enough to get by. But, I do think that all still pales compared to having mom's eyes and ears and her showing fawn the ropes. Whitetail are far from a species of concern, so an orpaned fawn dying after mom gets dropped is not really a management issue. From an ethics issue, it feels a bit burdening. If orphans' chances are reduced by any significant margin, I don't need a skinhead whitie that bad. If someone feels like they do, so be it, I suppose.

I should acknowledge that no matter how hard you try, there will always be times when a fawn materializes after what was thought to be a dry doe gets shot. I'm sure it happens to hunters with sound ethics. I'd call it the nature of the doe season. If you want to totally eliminate the chance of it happening, you won't consider shooting a doe.

[Ourea]

This aspect of WT has been studied to death (understatement).
There are endless science based papers on this topic of fawn survival.

A hunter is not reducing fawn survival by shooting the mother doe in Oct

Appreciate there are WT does dying as we speak in the jaws of coyotes, bears, cats and wolves.
WT are the most adaptive and prolific ungulate in North America for a reason.
They manage to thrive under endless adversity where elk and MD have no shot.

I was reluctant to consider ever shooting a WT doe.
I educated myself and quickly found that there are no conservation concerns with doe harvest.
My endless cam intel supports this.
Many BC hunters are confusing WT adaptation with a lack of deer as a result of the doe season.

Kill one.....they make 2 or 3.
The beat goes on.

Endless science to support this.

[hoochie]

Does taste great. Anyone who doesnt want to harvest one.. then dont. I have and will continue, with a clear conscience.

[sawmill]

Actually, the most conservative biologist I have ever dealt with told me that the fawns are just fine after the doe is shot. Whitetails are gregarious, and quickly join other deer after finding themselves alone.

Having said that, the wife refused to shoot a doe last weekend that had a fawn with it, just because she didn't "feel right" about it. So, do what floats your boat. But there's no biological issue with sending that fawn off on its own by the time the October doe season rolls around. Hell, some WT fawns get bred at 6 - 7 months of age!

Listen to this man, he knows his stuff. Does are pretty much finished lactating by now, they can`t afford the energy it takes to make milk. They need to focus on getting winterized. The fawns are weaned and whities do group up so a fawn will have somebody to talk to. That being said, I try not to shoot a doe with a fawn but if it comes down to the wire......I ain`t eating a doe tag.

[markathome]

We found some in the EK! Delicious!

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k102/Mark_Robichaud/IMG_0051_zpsnsgitnbx.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/Mark_Robichaud/media/IMG_0051_zpsnsgitnbx.jpg.html)

All of em except the two bucks on the right.

[Xenomorph]

^^^I get what your saying, but I would think as long as they don't have spots ie a little more mature, they would be fine then I'm sure...have you seen how the majority of whitetails group up on winter range? Usually lots of them in maternal groups, so I'm sure others adopt them..
'


I'm in the boat that takes a second to look around before pulling the trigger, but here's an example. We were hunting elk a week before doe season opened and we bumped early morning into this WT doe with triplets. Kid you not, she was huge by any doe standards, two of the fawns almost as big as mom, and the runt still poking at her udders yet almost as tall as the other ones. I promise you, anyone meeting wouldn't have a problem shooting her in season, well, maybe I would let her pass, because of how productive she is. That's one good, experienced mom there. She deserves a whole bunch of PASS!

[HarryToolips]

^^^yes, I agree, but in that case I wouldn't hesitate to take one of those good sized yearlings!

[Walking Buffalo]

I spared the life of a fawn last night. I'd love to claim it was my compassion, but really I was just feeling lazy and didn't want to go through the hassle for a poodle sized critter. As for shooting mom and leaving the fawn, no way. Have accidentally shot lactating does in Nov and I'm not going there. IMO, the whole claim that fawns will get by without mama is what hunters say to make themselves feel better about either mistakenly shooting a doe with a fawn or not caring enough to look in the first place. Not saying they'll never survive, but after encountering orphaned fawns in the wild, it is obvious they are easy pickings for whatever animal would want them. Between predator avoidance and the other survival skills that best equip fawns to last through to yearling stage, I think their chances are hugely reduced.

Whitetails are the most studied ungulate on Earth.

In Many studies, orphaned fawns survival is around 10% less than fawns in the company of their mother. = no conservation issue.
This increased WT fawn mortality may even Increase recruitment rates for other prey species.
Shoot a WT Doe, save a MD fawn from predation.





I'm in the boat that takes a second to look around before pulling the trigger, but here's an example. We were hunting elk a week before doe season opened and we bumped early morning into this WT doe with triplets. Kid you not, she was huge by any doe standards, two of the fawns almost as big as mom, and the runt still poking at her udders yet almost as tall as the other ones. I promise you, anyone meeting wouldn't have a problem shooting her in season, well, maybe I would let her pass, because of how productive she is. That's one good, experienced mom there. She deserves a whole bunch of PASS!

Those weren't triplets. ;)

Mom, two yearling daughters and a fawn....

If you wanted to kill one of these three while retaining the highest fecundity rate from the remaining ones (future fawn production),
the best choice would be the oldest one. She is most likely to past her prime reproductive age, more likely to produce a single fawn compared to the higher rates of twins from younger does....

Food for thought for food. :)

[Xenomorph]

No doubt, but it's all relative to what's already in the freezer. With one good sized punched and packed already, I'd still be looking for a buck, larger dry one. Why would I pass on an excuse "But honey, I still have to punch this tag" to get out.

After reading the science behind it, after seeing the numbers of WT out there, I can confidently say I have absolutely no issues with the WT doe season. And you can't beat the taste.

[Xenomorph]

Those weren't triplets. ;)

Mom, two yearling daughters and a fawn....

If you wanted to kill one of these three while retaining the highest fecundity rate from the remaining ones (future fawn production),
the best choice would be the oldest one. She is most likely to past her prime reproductive age, more likely to produce a single fawn compared to the higher rates of twins from younger does....

Food for thought for food. :)

You think? Same color, negligible size difference, just noticeable because "I got the eyes" :wink:

Good point though, much appreciated. Makes the decision to pull or not to pull a little easier.

[Walking Buffalo]

You think? Same color, negligible size difference, just noticeable because "I got the eyes" :wink:

Good point though, much appreciated. Makes the decision to pull or not to pull a little easier.


I do think from your earlier description.
"she was huge by any doe standards, two of the fawns almost as big as mom, and the runt still poking at her udders yet almost as tall as the other ones."

Would be unusual for a fawn to be almost as big as mom at this time of year.

I certainly could be wrong on the actual composition of this family unit.


Personally, I would pass on a doe with a fawn, in part cause my heart still bleeds.
But mostly because I know I can find a dry doe with a little more effort.
If I was really hungry, then the fawn would come home with me.

[Xenomorph]

I see your point, I thought they might be triplets.

[Garrett9505]

I got my first deer this year, white tail doe and my uncle got his at the same time. 5 min later wt buck walked out... Haha

[Ourea]

I got my first deer this year, white tail doe and my uncle got his at the same time. 5 min later wt buck walked out... Haha

Congrats Garrett9505 on ur first deer!!
Good job.
Post a pic if you have one.

I am sure you will grow to appreciate just how good eating WT are.
Now get back out there!!

[finngun]

I got my first deer this year, white tail doe and my uncle got his at the same time. 5 min later wt buck walked out... Haha

thats the way deer are moving often...ladies first,,then smarter bucks..seen that..wait.. let ladys pass then comes you reward..boom:wink:

[whitespringer]

[QUOTE=Ourea;1834624]This aspect of WT has been studied to death (understatement).
There are endless science based papers on this topic of fawn survival.

A hunter is not reducing fawn survival by shooting the mother doe in Oct

Appreciate there are WT does dying as we speak in the jaws of coyotes, bears, cats and wolves.
WT are the most adaptive and prolific ungulate in North America for a reason.
They manage to thrive under endless adversity where elk and MD have no shot.

I was reluctant to consider ever shooting a WT doe.
I educated myself and quickly found that there are no conservation concerns with doe harvest.
My endless cam intel supports this.
Many BC hunters are confusing WT adaptation with a lack of deer as a result of the doe season.


i have looked into the research as well and it seems solid. Where do blacktails fit into the reproductive equation? You could make a reasonable argument that blacktails are more like whites than mulies. The reason I ask is that we have a antlerless draw in a area that holds blacktails in November.
thanks to all.