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lostmind
10-09-2016, 10:19 AM
Hi All,

After 3 trips with my hunting buddies, we finally got a 2 point buck! We're all complete newbs who'd never hunted before, even though we're all older (35+).

My buddy made a clean shot, buck went down and stayed down. We managed to gut it pretty cleanly. We carried it to the road, threw it in the back of the truck, took it up a hill till we found a big tree off the roads and used a come a long to hang the deer. Skinned it pretty easily and then cut it up into sections - head, neck, chest, 2 front legs and the rear two legs we left attached together. This way we could fit the parts in bags and toss in our coolers on ice, as we had 2 more tags, had seen more bucks and permission from our wives to stay out for a few more days. From being shot to going in the coolers, I'd guess 3 hours max.

We drained the coolers that evening as cooling the meat down melted some ice. We also topped up the ice. Meat was near frozen.

Where we were, a guy had a deer hanging for 3 days before he took it to a place with a walk in cooler. We didn't think hanging the deer outside was good as the daytime temps got into double digits.

Got home within 3 days and started to butcher up the meat. Noticed that some parts of the meat was water logged or perhaps spoiled as it was a light brown colour instead of the deep red of the rest of the meat. Did not smell off and the rest of the meat is good (I cooked some up last night, pretty awesome). The light brown meat was mostly on the front legs and was only about 10% of those. But we don't want to have any waste as we started hunting for only two reasons - to spend more time outdoors with our friends and to eat the meat.

So, two questions:

1) I'm thinking that perhaps we made a mistake somewhere in storing the meat that caused the small amount of waste. Perhaps putting the meat in plastic bags perhaps? Maybe next time rig up a rack above the ice in the coolers and put the meat on those? Could someone point out the mistake or give some guidance?

2) Also, I think next time we will do more of the butchering while the thing is hanging and leave the majority of the carcass in the bush. Because now we are stuck with a chest cavity, pelvis and such to dispose of and it won't fit in my garbage bins! I could easily remove the head, the front legs and neck meat, the filets (psoas on the inside), the loins, the hams and such of the rear legs in just a few more minutes than it took to cut the deer into sections. Is this a good idea - as long as we leave the carcass out in the bush and retain evidence of sex (I think I could leave it attached to one of the hams) and the head for species and antlers, we should be good? Any other suggestions?

Thanks!

Sharpish
10-09-2016, 11:03 AM
Generally you want it cool and dry. If it's got good air circulation around the quarters it will firm up and form a sort of hard "crust" which is what you want. Bacteria flourish in warm, wet conditions. If you can dry the meat out and keep it cool it lasts a long time hanging.

monasheemountainman
10-09-2016, 11:08 AM
sounds like wet meat...wont hurt you to eat it, but as mentioned try to keep it dry if you can. nothing wrong with hanging a deer for multiple days outside, its cool enough throughout most of the day and definitely at night to keep the meat at a cool temperature! congrats on the buck!

Bear Chaser
10-09-2016, 11:21 AM
What they said.
Check out some videos on the "Gutless Method" on YouTube. No reason to pack a spine and intact chest cavity home. You can still get all the meat as well as the ribs quite easily. Actually I find it easier to separate all parts in the field as you will have to do it eventually anyways.

Whonnock Boy
10-09-2016, 11:33 AM
At this time of year there should be no problems hanging a deer outside even if temperatures get up to 12-14 degrees. Just find a shady spot. You are better off hanging it "dry" in warmer temps than putting it on ice. As for identification, you harvested it in an any buck season, so antlers are not necessary but, leaving part of the testicles or penis attached is, as well as the tail. If you learn to do the gutless method, get yourself a bunch of pillow cases to store and hang the meat. Don't fill the cases up too much as the more that is in it, the longer the inside meat will take to cool.

MichelD
10-09-2016, 11:35 AM
Even in the double digits a deer hung in the shade of trees securely bagged in a cotton meat bag will keep well.

It sounds like your meat didn't have a chance to cool thoroughly before it went in the cooler. But as others have said, the dampness is not good.

scoutlt1
10-09-2016, 11:44 AM
Don't put meat into plastic bags.....

Congrats on the deer!

lostmind
10-09-2016, 12:01 PM
Ok gutless method looks cool. I guess my idea of rigging up a tray in the coolers to keep the meat off the ice could help.

Thanks guys!

ajr5406
10-11-2016, 06:04 PM
What about using a few frozen 4L milk containers (filled with water, not milk)? Take two or three coolers and use a few of the frozen jugs in each. Also can take a couple of cooling racks (like what you use for cooling cookies after baking) and put the meat bags on these, that way the meat will be above any water at the bottom of the cooler. Big blocks of ice thaw slower than bags of ice.

lostmind
10-11-2016, 08:58 PM
Ajr5406, this is pretty much my thoughts as well. I typically use frozen milk jugs full of water or 2L soda bottles. But this trip my buddy had his trailer with his freezer so I didn't prep fully. Next year I know!

BigMrMeats
10-11-2016, 09:14 PM
If you have opague spotting in your meat it's a humidity abuse issue. You probably didn't get it dry evenly... it looked like you put it in plastic bags.... plastic bags are a bad idea unless your in direct contact with water for a longer period of time. Cheese cloth bags work much better. Now that you're into hunting and are successful... get some large ones and tuck them into your pack for when you need them.

You don't need to age deer, especially if you're cutting it up yourself. Aging is to increase tenderness in a product, and it has to do with ATP turning into lactic acid and that product breaking down collagen and connective tissue to create a more tender product.

But deer doesn't have enough ATP in it to make any kind of difference. You don't need to age deer, pork, lamb, poultry, etc. Larger animals like beef, elk, moose and bison... yes... but not deer. Get it, cool it (to 4 Celcius or below down to zero)... then cut it

northernbc
10-11-2016, 09:27 PM
also using the plastic containers, once melting they can supply potable water.

tinhorse
10-11-2016, 09:34 PM
Hang over a cool running creek in the shade If temps are too high. Last moose hunt day time highs were up to +11 but night got down to zero or cooler. Meat was in the shade for 6 days and was absolutely great. Put on the cheese cloth fame bags and let air flow around the meat as much as possible. DONT wrap a tarp or plastic bags around the meat. Air circulation is vital.

skuntor
10-11-2016, 09:41 PM
Build yourself a wooden rack for the bottom of your cooler. Make it high enough so you can fit block ice under it. Good for a warm ride home.

2448Mike
11-04-2016, 03:47 PM
Thanks for the great info guys. As a relatively new hunter myself I have also been curious about this. Fortunately my hunts have been in cool enough weather or there was a butcher closeby. Another option we had was to find a local butcher and pay them to keep it cool for you in their freezer until you are ready for the drive home. Did this once in Dawson with an Elk and they charged next to nothing, worth every penny to not have to stress about it. Picked it up right before we left and drove it direct to the meat cutter I normally use in my hometown.