The demise of "E" collars in B.C.

[ACB]

There's a article in the Vancouver Province Paper today with some quote's from the B.C. SPCA and others that they want E collars abolished from B.C. because their mean and inhumane and according to some doctor at the SPCA "The article doesn't state whether the doctor was a VET or not" E collars create all kinds of anguish and stress when they are being used on dogs for training purposes and as for using a bark collar on dogs just shouldn't be done. According to this doctor you should just reinforce good behavior to help stop the dog from barking it's fool head off! These people at the B.C. SPCA should of seen my old BL.Lab boy when he got his E collar on, he was just about wiggling out of his skin with excitement because he knew when he had to ware his collar something good was going to happen, like hunting up a bird or fetching up a bird or bumper. He didn't care it was just the best day ever. As far as a bark collar goes,god did he needed one . When he was riding in the back of my truck in his crate he needed his bark collar. You couldn't hear the radio for BOB BARKER going at it when he didn't have his bark collar on, and it was mournful. But when he had it on you could of swore there was a church mouse in the back of the truck. I didn't even have to turn it on anymore the last 6-7 years of his life, because he had been conditioned to the bark collar properly the same as his E Collar by a professional trainer that knew what they were doing. It just drives me crazy when the SPCA gets on something like this that they know nothing about.

[Big Lew]

There's a article in the Vancouver Province Paper today with some quote's from the B.C. SPCA and others that they want E collars abolished from B.C. because their mean and inhumane and according to some doctor at the SPCA "The article doesn't state whether the doctor was a VET or not" E collars create all kinds of anguish and stress when they are being used on dogs for training purposes and as for using a bark collar on dogs just shouldn't be done. According to this doctor you should just reinforce good behavior to help stop the dog from barking it's fool head off! These people at the B.C. SPCA should of seen my old BL.Lab boy when he got his E collar on, he was just about wiggling out of his skin with excitement because he knew when he had to ware his collar something good was going to happen, like hunting up a bird or fetching up a bird or bumper. He didn't care it was just the best day ever. As far as a bark collar goes,god did he needed one . When he was riding in the back of my truck in his crate he needed his bark collar. You couldn't hear the radio for BOB BARKER going at it when he didn't have his bark collar on, and it was mournful. But when he had it on you could of swore there was a church mouse in the back of the truck. I didn't even have to turn it on anymore the last 6-7 years of his life, because he had been conditioned to the bark collar properly the same as his E Collar by a professional trainer that knew what they were doing. It just drives me crazy when the SPCA gets on something like this that they know nothing about.

I totally agree with you.
The big rambunctious choc lab I got when it was 1 yr old had no discipline or training whatsoever.
At 90 lbs, and being 'intact' at the time he was an uncontrollable handful. I've had a bit of former
training experience but I still asked for help from pros, including on forums. After getting tips on
the proper use of both collars, it didn't take very long at all for this dog to understand what his
perimeters were, and what was expected of him. He's just turned 4, and I haven't used the E-collar
on him for at least 2 years. The bark collar is still used, but very seldom turned on, yet he knows to
be quiet anyway. I always tested both units on me before putting them on my dog to insure the
setting wasn't too high to harm or unduly stress him. He's turned out to be a fantastic, happy, eager,
and loving companion as well as a great retriever. Properly used during the only times they're
actually needed is far more humane than how most of the former pros trained their dogs. I have several
professional agility dog trainers that have used E-collars, and regularly use bark collars during events,
and without exception, especially considering most of their dogs are highly sensitive border collies, their
dogs are full of excitement and thoroughly enjoy their life with their owners, the competition, and being
able to meet people. They sure don't show any evidence of stress related to the collars.

[Foxton Gundogs]

More know nothing do-gooders shooting their mouths off about things they don't have a clue about this was brought up in the House of Commons a year or so ago but the NDP. It died an appropriate death.

[Cdn-Redneck]

I am new to e collars and realized how helpful they are for training. I wouldn't hunt a dog without one. The funny thing is you can use a collar and get a response from the dog at a level that I can't even feel in my fingers. If I can't feel it I would hardly consider it inhumane

[Busterpayton54]

My dog knows it's off leash time, but he probably knows that before, as we are driving into the boonies. I've only had to zap him maybe 6 times ever, he's pretty well behaved out there, it's just in case he catches a scent because at that moment he's a one track minded hunter.

[adriaticum]

This comes in line with the new private members bill 246 in the parliament that is being read about animal welfare.
Some of the basics of that bill are ok, but it leaves a lot of room for interpretation.
Some of these new MPs are PETA and their assault is intensifying.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Remember- the BCSPCA opposes using dogs for any form of hunting...including retrieving. Imagine making a retriever retrieve. Oh the horror.

[Big Lew]

Remember- the BCSPCA opposes using dogs for any form of hunting...including retrieving. Imagine making a retriever retrieve. Oh the horror.

Yes, I agree, some of these people, and organizations run by them, are completely living in a fantasy world.
My various retrievers over the years have lived only to please and to retrieve, especially any and all birds.
They get so excited with the anticipation of retrieving they can barely contain themselves. Just watch a lab
launch itself as far as it can into the water, and then make a rooster tail wake as it eagerly swims as fast as
it can to get a bird, and then tell me they aren't enjoying themselves. If they were being abused they wouldn't
want to do it.

[Danny]

When I am getting my stuff ready to go for a hunt ,The last thing I let my Lab see is her collar other wise everyone in the house know we are going ! She screams with excitement like nothing you've ever heard and runs around the house non stop till I open the door. She has even gone as far as to bring it to the door, charger and all !
Ya, should probably outlaw them for sure !

[wideopenthrottle]

Remember- the BCSPCA opposes using dogs for any form of hunting...including retrieving. Imagine making a retriever retrieve. Oh the horror.

while in England about 12 years ago we visited this tiny little pub in a heritage village called Lacock ....when in the pub we noticed that the fireplace there had a huge spit with gears and a shaft that went through the side...I wondered to myself if they somehow were using the draft from the fire to turn the spit/rotisserie....it wasn't until we were leaving that I noticed the answer to how the spit was turned....it was a 3 foot diameter hamster run with a drawing of a short legged dog and a little sign with writing on it.....it talked about an breed of dog called the "turn-spit" that was breed specifically for running in the cage all day turning a side of beef or a pig or two...they were replaced by machines and are now extinct....I hope that doesn't ever ever ever happen to pointers or retreivers

[FirePower]

while in England about 12 years ago we visited this tiny little pub in a heritage village called Lacock ....when in the pub we noticed that the fireplace there had a huge spit with gears and a shaft that went through the side...I wondered to myself if they somehow were using the draft from the fire to turn the spit/rotisserie....it wasn't until we were leaving that I noticed the answer to how the spit was turned....it was a 3 foot diameter hamster run with a drawing of a short legged dog and a little sign with writing on it.....it talked about an breed of dog called the "turn-spit" that was breed specifically for running in the cage all day turning a side of beef or a pig or two...they were replaced by machines and are now extinct....I hope that doesn't ever ever ever happen to pointers or retrievers

Not extinct Mr. Wideopenthrottle, but no longer bred for their intended purpose. Here are some photos of different Turnspit Dogges being bred by fanciers of the breed in the British Isles

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac90/fire_lane/Basset-Hound-Poodle-mix_zps93qbfvrc.jpg (http://s888.photobucket.com/user/fire_lane/media/Basset-Hound-Poodle-mix_zps93qbfvrc.jpg.html)
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[ACB]

When I am getting my stuff ready to go for a hunt ,The last thing I let my Lab see is her collar other wise everyone in the house know we are going ! She screams with excitement like nothing you've ever heard and runs around the house non stop till I open the door. She has even gone as far as to bring it to the door, charger and all !
Ya, should probably outlaw them for sure !
LOL that's funny right there! Your right, when my lab now is getting his collar on it does't matter whether he just going for walkies or training it's the best day ever. And thats just what these people that are against HUNTING DOG'S don't get! Is the poor dog has been bread to do what they do fore at least 200 years! And they do it so well. What I think is appropriate to tell these folks is if their not a VEGAN, is to shut the "F" UP! BEcause I don't have someone else murder my food for me! And if you can't appropriate watching a lab hunting up a pheasant and trailing it for 200 yds. and then putting it up in front of you, then you better be a vegan! About the only time my dog's collar is on is when he is close to roads and I know I have to have control over him so he doesn't get run over or hit by a car because I don't think I could live with something like that happening. Because when he's hunting he's hunting and the road is not a barrier to him.

[Foxton Gundogs]

My 18 month Golden will actually rear up on her hinds and stick her head through the collar if I am to slow putting it on her. Collar= Fun.

[1/2 slam]

When I pick up the collars my dogs go nuts. They know we are headed out and run to the door in anticipation. I open the door and they run to the gate.I open the gate and they run to the truck. I open the tailgate and they jump in. They know when I have the collars in hand fun follows.

[wideopenthrottle]

Not extinct Mr. Wideopenthrottle, but no longer bred for their intended purpose. Here are some photos of different Turnspit Dogges being bred by fanciers of the breed in the British Isles

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac90/fire_lane/Basset-Hound-Poodle-mix_zps93qbfvrc.jpg (http://s888.photobucket.com/user/fire_lane/media/Basset-Hound-Poodle-mix_zps93qbfvrc.jpg.html)
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac90/fire_lane/c28415bb-e070-48bf-a9f2-69bd177b7bf8_zpskxcmhwsn.png (http://s888.photobucket.com/user/fire_lane/media/c28415bb-e070-48bf-a9f2-69bd177b7bf8_zpskxcmhwsn.png.html)
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac90/fire_lane/fritter-1_zpsyrtyq0dw.jpg (http://s888.photobucket.com/user/fire_lane/media/fritter-1_zpsyrtyq0dw.jpg.html)


well that is cool but the sign said they were gone...sorry for not fact checking better but in wiki it also says they are extinct https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnspit_Dog

[FirePower]

Mr. Wideopenthrottle, no need to be sorry at all sir. I did not post to prove you wrong just as a point of interest, I suppose when you consider they do not "turn spits" any longer they are indeed extinct in a manner of speaking. From what I understand they were never a true breed just mixed breed dogs bred for form of function. Your original post got me interested and I contacted dog people in England and Ireland who put me on to the information.

[Elkhound]

My pup is now 3 mos old. He will be getting an E Collar for the finishing touches in his training. Will be my first time using one and have spent months researching.

[6eagle]

Me too! What model are you looking at?

[Grumpa Joe]

Me too! What model are you looking at?


A nine volt battery hooked up to a big capacitor with a couple of copper wire leads.:mrgreen:

Just kidding of course. The bad people who let him up on the couch get that treatment.:biggrin:

[6eagle]

Ha! Awesome.
Guess i'm getting zapped!

[Elkhound]

im leaning toward the Sportdog 1825 after a lot of research and talking with a ton of guys. The Garmin pro 70 was another I liked

[Marlowethelazydog]

Why guys, however did we train hunting dogs before we could electricute them. You idiots. No one doubts it is effective, the SPCA questions how humane it is. I am not.opposed to e collars. They are just the sign of a lazy dog owner.

[wideopenthrottle]

well if it makes a border line nutty dog into an obedient dog then unlike the old days it would get to live out it's life instead of getting culled (history always looks better when you cherry pick facts)

[pnbrock]

i guess marlo you have never hunted a high pray drive dog!if i didn't have an e collar on my lab, when a bird gets back up and heads for dodge there would be no stopping him.in my home i need to wrap the buckles in towels for fear of them making any noise,if noise is heard by two labs they come unglued with excitement.

[Iron Glove]

Why guys, however did we train hunting dogs before we could electricute them. You idiots. No one doubts it is effective, the SPCA questions how humane it is. I am not.opposed to e collars. They are just the sign of a lazy dog owner.

Out walking the dogs last night and ran into a lady with a big, mixed breed dog.
It was 6 months old, stone deaf.
She is using an E collar on vibrate to "communicate" with the dog.
I'd say that's not only humane, it's the sign of a caring dog owner.
I'm not pro or anti E collars but they have their legitimate uses.

[Sasquatch]

Why guys, however did we train hunting dogs before we could electricute them. You idiots. No one doubts it is effective, the SPCA questions how humane it is. I am not.opposed to e collars. They are just the sign of a lazy dog owner.

Are we also lazy because we use cell phones? How did we communicate before them? How about automobiles? Are we lazy because we don't use horses for transportation anymore?

Might want to think about it a bit before you call people idiots.....or at least look in the mirror when you say it.

[dracb]

E collars are great tools, Sure they can be abusive if you are sadistic or want to ruin your dog. It is not so much a punisher as it is a reminder that the boss does not need a rope attached to your training collar to enforce discipline at a distance. Most dogs only need the device set on vibrate or on such a low power that I can not feel it or can only barely feel it on my arm. The collar does not have to be on tight for the prods to make contact with the skin. If the collar is put on too tight the prods can wear a raw spot in the dog's hide which will produce a somewhat stronger shock even on low power.

Actually it makes a good communication device between the hunter and the pup. I put an e-collar on my airdale when predator hunting. While walking in to a stand to call from I let the dog run and if he gets too far away I can just tap the buzer and he will stop to check where I am going and start working back towards me. Once the calling starts he stays relatively close snuffing around acting as a visual attractant for the canines we are calling. If the called canine hangs up at a distance the dog will generally run towards the callee. Generally the callee will then turn away with Isaiah following. After a minute or so of chase I can either give a series of buzzes of the vibrator or sit on the buzzer for a couple of seconds and Isaiah will leave the chase and return to me. Most commonly the coyote(s) is/are following right along behind having forgotten why it was suspicious and would not come on in when it first approached the call.

The dogs even learn situational awareness with regards to the e-collar. I live in the country, but with neighbors close enough to be bothered by barking dogs. Mine spend much of the time on a second story patio surveying neighboring pastures and sloughs, all of which they claim dominion over. Nothing is allowed to pass through or over their domain without verbal chastisement. All I have to do is put the collar on and the barking stops unless the intruder enters the curtilage. I do not think I ever even shocked them to train them, As I remember all it took was hitting the buzzer for a few seconds before dishing out strong verbal chastisement a few times.
Buzzzzzzzzer= PISSED OFF boss better be quite or
buz = look for boss or
buzz buzz buzz = come home and let boss shoot coyote so I can get in some prime coyote chewing

[FirePower]

[QUOTE MARLOWETHELAZYDOG=Why guys, however did we train hunting dogs before we could electricute them. You idiots. No one doubts it is effective, the SPCA questions how humane it is. I am not.opposed to e collars. They are just the sign of a lazy dog owner..[/QUOTE]

Mister Lazydog, you obviously have no concept of proper training collar use with an uneducated comment like that. There are many advantages to their use and electrocution is not one of them. Perhaps when you have gone out and educated your self in the proper conditioning and use of a training collar you will be able to comment more intelligently on the subject. Until then perhaps you would be best served by keeping your comments to your self as they do nothing to bolster others opinion of your knowledge.

[1/2 slam]

Why guys, however did we train hunting dogs before we could electricute them. You idiots. No one doubts it is effective, the SPCA questions how humane it is. I am not.opposed to e collars. They are just the sign of a lazy dog owner.

What complete horseshit