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Surrey Boy
02-23-2016, 05:58 PM
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/world/zimbabwe-park-warns-it-may-shoot-200-surplus-lions-now-that-big-game-hunters-are-staying-home

BUBYE VALLEY CONSERVANCY, Zimbabwe — It is the country where Cecil the lion was killed, sparking international anger against the American dentist who shot him.

The outcry over Walter Palmer’s killing of Cecil drove other big-game hunters away from Zimbabwe, fearful they too would attract the ire of the public.

But in what is being described as a side effect of the affair, Zimbabwe’s largest wildlife area says it now finds itself suffering from an overpopulation of lions.

Bubye Valley Conservancy has more than 500 lions, the largest number in Zimbabwe’s diminishing wildlife areas.

It has warned that its lion population has become unsustainable and that it may even have to cull around 200 as a result of what is being called “the Cecil effect.”

Now Bubye is appealing for other institutions or wildlife sanctuaries to take some of its lions.

Conservationists estimate about half of Zimbabwe’s wildlife has disappeared since President Robert Mugabe’s seizure of white-owned land began in 2000, but Bubye has held on by attracting wealthy hunters whose fees support its wildlife work.

But last year’s shooting of Cecil, in a conservancy bordering Hwange National Park, sparked a huge backlash against big-game hunting, and bolstered a U.S. plan to ban trophy hunting imports.

Plummeting oil prices have further led to a drop in the number of visitors from U.S. states such as Texas, from where traditionally large numbers of hunters go to Zimbabwe.

Bubye’s lions are decimating populations of antelope, along with other animals such as giraffe, cheetah, leopards and wild dogs, after the driest summer on record kept grasses low and made the small game easy targets.

Blondie Leathem, general manager of Bubye Valley Conservancy, said: “I wish we could give about 200 of our lions away to ease the overpopulation. If anyone knows of a suitable habitat for them where they will not land up in human conflict, or in wildlife areas where they will not be beaten up because of existing prides, please let us know and help us raise the money to move them.”

In the 1940s, there were thought to be as many as 450,000 lions on Earth, but today they are classed as “vulnerable,” with numbers feared as low as 20,000.

Conservationists fear that without a concerted push, particularly in high-risk areas of central and west Africa, their numbers could halve again in the next two decades because of human-animal conflict and reduced habit and food supplies.

Bubye, along with some game parks in neighbouring countries, has been bucking the trend, according to a recent study, with healthy lion populations in “small, fenced, intensively managed, funded reserves.”

The conservation area was founded 22 years ago by Charles Davy, the rancher father of Chelsy Davy, Prince Harry’s former girlfriend. It is now majority-owned by Dubai World, the investment fund of the wealthy emirate’s government.

Millions of dollars were spent fencing 5,000 square kilometres of land previously cleared of wildlife by decades of cattle farming. The fence was then electrified and hundreds of people were hired to protect wildlife imported to the park.

Bubye also supports schools and clinics in several districts and provides meat every month for people nearby.

As well as its lion population, Bubye also has the third-largest community of black rhinos in Africa.

When The Daily Telegraph visited Bubye in early February a matriarch lioness called Matilda, her sisters and her latest litter of cubs were lazing in the shade under mopane trees.

Matilda — who was fitted with a radio collar by the Oxford University researchers that also collared Cecil — chews through about five kilograms of meat every day.

Peter Kay, director of Lion Aid, a UK-based charity, said contraception should have been introduced at the conservancy years ago.

“It’s too late now,” he said. “There is nowhere in Africa which could take so many lions.”

Paul Bartels, a wildlife scientist from South Africa’s Tshwane University of Technology, said female contraceptive implants used in smaller reserves would be impractical for Matilda’s clan.

“There are a lot of lions on that (Bubye) conservancy. It would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars for contraception to make any real difference,” he said.

Oxford’s lion research project in Zimbabwe, which monitored Cecil, said that the Bubye conservancy was “a huge success story” in a region blighted by a lack of governmental help for its struggling wildlife sector.

Leathem insisted he was not a hunter but a conservationist, and had no option but to maintain “sustainable” hunting to safeguard Bubye’s future.

604Stalker
02-23-2016, 06:11 PM
Hrmmm cecil effect. Does it work with wolves or do we just get more bad music?

Whonnock Boy
02-23-2016, 06:16 PM
Sadly, science based wildlife management is lost on many. But they should be saved, relocated, or sterilized.... Just ask these people. https://www.facebook.com/HuntTheTrophyHunters/?fref=ts

604Stalker
02-23-2016, 06:25 PM
Yeah there about the same as prolifers running the gov abortion clinics. They will bitch and whine, haras and threaten people or try to guilt them but they won't front the bill to save them they wont even ask others to do it for them.

scoutlt1
02-23-2016, 06:34 PM
Sadly, science based wildlife management is lost on many. But they should be saved, relocated, or sterilized.... Just ask these people. https://www.facebook.com/HuntTheTrophyHunters/?fref=ts

Always makes me laugh when I read many of the comments on FB pages like this....calling for the death of hunters....

FB takes no action when posts like that are reported.

I always want to respond when someone says something like "we need to hunt the hunters".

Wouldn't that be just the best?? :)

sheephunterab
02-23-2016, 08:13 PM
I always want to respond when someone says something like "we need to hunt the hunters".



The is a Facebook page called Hunt the Hunters. We've been featured a few times on it....haha. It's now a closed group so not sure what's on it these days. They keep rejecting my request to join! https://www.facebook.com/groups/hunttheh/

limit time
02-23-2016, 10:10 PM
Always makes me laugh when I read many of the comments on FB pages like this....calling for the death of hunters....

FB takes no action when posts like that are reported.

I always want to respond when someone says something like "we need to hunt the hunters".

Wouldn't that be just the best?? :)

The libtards run the social media!! No shit ! My wife even said that twatter is now heavily regulating comments. They will suspend your account if you say anything conservative or anti feminist...BUT, you can say "kill Trump and derogatory shit against him and they do nothing about it !!!! Say anything about Turdo or ohbummer and your a "dumb racist redneck" and they erase your post.

scoutlt1
02-23-2016, 10:20 PM
Sad to say, but things are most definitely NOT heading in the right direction!

What's that saying?? "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".

Let's hope that doesn't happen.....

Whonnock Boy
02-23-2016, 10:27 PM
Not much on there except insults and ignorance. Took all of 3 posts to get banned. Nothing belligerent, just asking if they would fund the relocation, and noted there is nowhere to relocate to. Deleted two of the posts and edited their own to make it look like they are the smart guys. Knowledge is their kryptonite.


The is a Facebook page called Hunt the Hunters. We've been featured a few times on it....haha. It's now a closed group so not sure what's on it these days. They keep rejecting my request to join! https://www.facebook.com/groups/hunttheh/

180grainer
02-28-2016, 12:19 AM
The is a Facebook page called Hunt the Hunters. We've been featured a few times on it....haha. It's now a closed group so not sure what's on it these days. They keep rejecting my request to join! https://www.facebook.com/groups/hunttheh/

Just requested to join. See what happens. Scoped a few of the members out...........maybe it's just some sort of labeling effect or explanatory fiction I'm using cause I know what they represent.....but why do they look so weird......like they'd stand out at a party.......Ahhh maybe it's just me......

scoutlt1
03-06-2016, 02:11 PM
So I'm just a bit curious about this...

When posts are put up in groups on "social media" such as facebook, that call for the killing and death of not just hunters but also their families, why are those groups not "deleted" by facebook (or the like), and why are those posts (and the people that put them up) not investigated by the police?

I posted some pretty benign thoughts on the FB site "Hunt the Trophy Hunters", and someone said that they would "kill me, stuff my head, and mount it on their wall", I reported that to FB. Something I've never done before. The response was that the post "doesn't violate our Community Standards".

Pretty messed up I think.

I'll be out hunting Black Bear this spring...coyotes and wolves when they're open, and looking forward to bagging a Grizzly this year too. I'll be looking for a Grizz that has a name too btw...

Just because.

Ambush
03-06-2016, 02:29 PM
and why are those posts (and the people that put them up) not investigated by the police?

I'll be looking for a Grizz that has name too

File a report with the police themselves. Asked to be referred to the "intraweb" section that deals specifically with internet crime.

And yes, I am searching for Orville the grizzly this spring. But I'm also willing to consider applications from Bob, Larry, Bert, or any other hopeful looking for a long term position.

scoutlt1
03-06-2016, 02:34 PM
File a report with the police themselves. Asked to be referred to the "intraweb" section that deals specifically with internet crime.

And yes, I am searching for Orville the grizzly this spring. But I'm also willing to consider applications from Bob, Larry, Bert, or any other hopeful looking for a long term position.

I tried. Got me nowhere.

Not surprised!