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fireguy
02-04-2016, 03:59 PM
http://www.castanet.net/news/BC/157798/End-of-hunt-to-cost-millions

Of course I will look more into this, looks like they are buying out guides. My worry is that this will translate into resident hunters being shut down as well. Bad enough the "environmentalists" are doing fake hunts with their allocated tags already.

From Castanet below
Photo: The Canadian Press
New information reveals ending the trophy hunt for grizzly bears in British Columbia's Great Bear Rainforest will cost millions of dollars, and in the meantime hunters will still be able to set their sights on the bruins.
Premier Christy Clark announced a landmark deal earlier this week to limit logging and end the commercial grizzly hunt on the central coast, which is home to rare, white spirit bears and 1000-year-old cedar forests.
First Nations, environmentalists and hunters said Wednesday there is no target date to end the hunt, and its demise requires negotiations over hunting rights that are destined to cost millions of dollars.
Before the trophy hunt ends, agreements must be reached to purchase lucrative hunting-tenure licences from outfitters who charge non-resident hunters US$25,000 to shoot a grizzly.
"Effectively, she announced nothing," said Pacific Wild co-founder Ian McAllister. "She wished non-profits like ourselves and the Coastal First Nations good luck with purchasing the remaining licences. It's unaffordable. This really should be coming from the province."
The government has since issued statements, clarifying the hunt's end would be "gradual."
"The province has reached an agreement with Coastal First Nations that, contingent on Coastal First Nations' acquisition of guide territories within their traditional territory, the commercial grizzly bear hunt in the Great Bear Rainforest will end," said Steve Thomson, minister of forests, lands and natural resource operations, in a statement.
Non-residents who come to B.C. from outside Canada must hire a guide outfitter to trophy hunt in the province. Resident hunters, whose primary home is in B.C., will still be permitted to hunt grizzlies and other animals in the Great Bear Rainforest.
Guide outfitter Peter Klaui said he is prepared to sell his tenure-hunting licence.
"Everything has its price," said Klaui, owner of North Coast Adventures for 20 years.
He said his hunting territory spans two-million hectares on the southern edge of the Great Bear Rainforest, and his current licence allows the harvesting of 23 grizzlies over five years.
"If you just do the amortization, especially now with U.S. dollars," said Klaui. "Can you imagine, I mean a grizzly hunt is $45,000 Canadian."
The North Coast Adventures website includes the testimonial of a Spanish hunter who shot the largest grizzly in Canada in 2008 at Apple River near Powell River. The grizzly weighed more than 340 kilograms and is listed as the 13th largest in North America.
Over the past decade, the Raincoast Conservation Foundation has paid about $2 million to buy three trophy licences that cover 2.7 million hectares in the Great Bear Rainforest. The rainforest's total estimated area is about 6.4 million hectares.
Now, instead of hunters paying thousands to shoot a grizzly, tourists spend huge dollars to photograph and view the beasts in the wild.
Brian Falconer, marine-operations manager for the Raincoast Conservation Foundation, said trophy-licence policy stipulates a hunt must occur, which leads to some unique interpretations on his wilderness tours.
"We're required still to do those hunts," said Falconer. "So we go through all of the motions. We buy grizzly tags for our hunters. As I put it, 'we just don't seem to be able to find the perfect bear people want to shoot.'"
The Great Bear Rainforest agreement between First Nations, environmental groups, forest companies and the B.C. government protects from logging 85 per cent of the largest, intact temperate rainforest in the world.
Nine area First Nations, who comprise the Coastal First Nations, want to end the commercial grizzly hunt in their traditional territories.
The First Nations were part of a recent court case that saw National Hockey League defenceman Clayton Stoner plead guilty to shooting without a permit a grizzly known as Cheeky.
Coastal First Nations spokesman Doug Neasloss said talks are underway between the First Nations and guide outfitters to buy two grizzly hunting-tenure licences, and aboriginals are preparing to raise the necessary money through a fundraising campaign.
"I think the writing is on the wall, and I think basically trophy hunting is out the door," Neasloss said.
Not every First Nation sees it that way.
Neasloss acknowledged the nearby Nisga'a Nation recently purchased a Great Bear Rainforest tenure licence and may plan their own trophy-hunting operations.

lwing
02-04-2016, 10:37 PM
First Nations used to protest logging, now they clear cut. It won't belong before they offer trophy hunting.
i don't have a problem with either

Caribou_lou
02-04-2016, 11:30 PM
I was listening to local radio and it was saying that the Indian bands are trying to buy out the guides tags.

wideopenthrottle
02-05-2016, 08:19 AM
First Nations used to protest logging, now they clear cut. It won't belong before they offer trophy hunting.
i don't have a problem with either

there are several bands that are against grizzly hunts (or so it would appear at this time) and at least one that intends to actually hunt the areas they have acquired guiding rights to...I will look for link

found link...last line in article....only a matter of time til the natives are cutting those protected trees and selling those protected bears...MARK MY WORDS

Visle
02-05-2016, 08:57 AM
I think their is a problem or at least there should be about the re-acquiring of guiding licenses. One of the requirements of a guide is to harvest his quota and if it doesn't happen he is supposed to lose that license .When you buy a guiding territory and have no intention of using it for it's stated quota you are supposed to lose it. So much for wildlife management .

Bigdoggdon
02-06-2016, 12:50 PM
I know the Raincoast Society has been buying up guide territories specifically for the purpose of NOT allowing hunts. I'm sure they wouldn't be spending millions of donator dollars for these territories if they had any reason to think that the territories would be taken back and redistributed by the province.

tangozulu
02-07-2016, 09:07 AM
Taku dwas bought out 5 years ago and hasnt been hunted since. Interesting that outfitters have hunting rights but not people who live in the province.

fireguy
02-07-2016, 10:43 AM
I wonder if those areas that are not being hunted are still getting their "allocations" and tags not going to resident hunters.

tangozulu
02-07-2016, 08:34 PM
I wonder if those areas that are not being hunted are still getting their "allocations" and tags not going to resident hunters.

Your right it should go that way. Guess they eould have to wait 5 years before we would know. Can an outfitter take all his quota in 1 year?

Thespydr
02-10-2016, 10:20 PM
What mu's would this affect? Wonder what other species are next.... This has to stop.

Cordillera
02-12-2016, 07:22 PM
other First Nations already have GO lisences and actively hunt on those lisences (Tahltan, Kaska, Nisgaa just acquired one...). Most First Nations are hunters and want to earn a living and guiding was one of their earliest commercial enterprises (after trading fish and trapping). Grizzly issue is unique because some First Nations have history that prevented them from hunting g bears. So, I doubt this will bleed out to other species.

I've had a glass of wine, so will look at the bright side; these areas will effectively be resident only!

325 wsm
02-12-2016, 07:32 PM
Do you think the FNs are buying these up because they plan on sharing with the resident? I hope thats not what you are expecting ! Its all about control and taking it away from the resident.

albravo2
02-12-2016, 08:22 PM
Taku dwas bought out 5 years ago and hasnt been hunted since. Interesting that outfitters have hunting rights but not people who live in the province.

where do you get that from? In the article it says even if they shut down commercial hunting that BC residents will still be able to hunt there.