Electric Fence..

[hunter1947]

Don't know if this has been posted before so here goes.

I have been doing some thinking about how a electric fence line would work having the fence around your camp surroundings

as for around you game meat pole when hunting season has not come for the opening and I am camping in no man's land
I would think that when you are sitting around the campfire thinking about if a grizzly bear might walk into your campsite

My thoughts are this might be a good way to protect yourself when you're camping in a remote area,,what's your thoughts
HBC members ??? :?: ;).

[wideopenthrottle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdM9YOYrcbs
yes posted before and this link was used as an example

[ruger#1]

https://youtu.be/oQ7Rt71W6YI

[ruger#1]

https://youtu.be/zM9QYImAPsY

[RackStar]

You can get small ones. The whole package weighs 2.5 pounds if I'm correct. Would definitely make a guy feel better in grizz land

[Fisher-Dude]

Don't know if this has been posted before so here goes.

I have been doing some thinking about how a electric fence line would work having the fence around your camp surroundings

as for around you game meat pole when hunting season has not come for the opening and I am camping in no man's land
I would think that when you are sitting around the campfire thinking about if a grizzly bear might walk into your campsite

My thoughts are this might be a good way to protect yourself when you're camping in a remote area,,what's your thoughts
HBC members ??? :?: ;).


Just be extra careful with an electric fence when you go out in the dark for a pee, Wayne!

You might get the shock of your life! :shock::shock::shock:

[Ambush]

I have a Udap bear fence for around the food/cooking area of camp. It comes with enough fence for a 27' square, but I have a roll of fence wire and extra poles to make it quite large if I want to. Not sure I've had any bears come to the fence, but none have ever been inside of it, that's for sure. A couple of wolves skirted it last fall.

Cheap insurance when you have to leave camp all day.

[Buck]

I have a Udap bear fence for around the food/cooking area of camp. It comes with enough fence for a 27' square, but I have a roll of fence wire and extra poles to make it quite large if I want to. Not sure I've had any bears come to the fence, but none have ever been inside of it, that's for sure. A couple of wolves skirted it last fall.

Cheap insurance when you have to leave camp all day.


I have the same fence and we are starting to use it as we have Grizz around camp now.These are used in Alaska with good results.http://www.udap.com/mm5/category/bear-electric-fences

[Backwoods]

I've seen good results on them, also check out packalarm.net

[Poguebilt]

I use my pack alarm... sleep much better at nite in bear country!

[Big Lew]

A word of advise in regard to electric fencing....they work best on moist ground.
If the ground is dry and rocky it acts somewhat like insulation. A way to get around
this is to run alternating + and - wires close enough together that animals touch both.
As an example, I put a regular electric fence around my back yard to keep out cats
and raccoons. I followed the instructions which had the ground wire attached to rods
driven deep into the ground. It was ineffective because the fence was above crushed
rock pathways.

[srupp]

I have a Udap bear fence for around the food/cooking area of camp. It comes with enough fence for a 27' square, but I have a roll of fence wire and extra poles to make it quite large if I want to. Not sure I've had any bears come to the fence, but none have ever been inside of it, that's for sure. A couple of wolves skirted it last fall.

Cheap insurance when you have to leave camp all day.

So have you tried this electric fence ? It worked ?
Where canyou buy one..?
Thanks
Steven

[butcher]

Used them in the nwt with good results.

[hunter1947]

Just be extra careful with an electric fence when you go out in the dark for a pee, Wayne!

You might get the shock of your life! :shock::shock::shock:


Thanks Pat for the thumbs up I would have a electric fence that would be 30 feet away from my surroundings meaning camper fire pit the fence would be put up around my camp out 30 feet it would be in place so that if a grizzly did come in me not noticing it at the time the fence would help stop the bear and I would have time to do what I need to do,,sitting around the fire or even in the daytime when in a fairly thick wooded camp spot area you never know when a bear will walk out of the bush into your camp..

[wos]

I put one up at my cabin to keep the cows out. It's a solar unit and works great. Would think it would work great around a camp. On the flip side my family keeps bees and you would be amazed at how smart and persistent a bear can be.

[hunter1947]

I use my pack alarm... sleep much better at nite in bear country!


I do have a pack alarm but this won't shock a bear just lets you know that something has hit the line..

[hunter1947]

I have the same fence and we are starting to use it as we have Grizz around camp now.These are used in Alaska with good results.http://www.udap.com/mm5/category/bear-electric-fences

Thanks for this link I like a few that are showing,,I like the 269.99 one..

[gamehunter6o]

Put a little corn flour in inflated balloons then coat them in bacon fat. Set trail cam. Post on HBC.:lol:

[hunter1947]

Thanks to all for giving me some ideas I will be following up on a electric fence for this year's camping hunting,,was some good feedback..

[hunter1947]

Put a little corn flour in inflated balloons then coat them in bacon fat. Set trail cam. Post on HBC.:lol:

LOL your a corn dog Neil LOL..:lol:..

[pinofire]

We use a 12 volt system. will charge 30 miles of fence through wet weeds. Never had a problem while using it. Had wolves hit it on our last trip. We only hang our meat hight enough to keep it off the ground now and surround camp with around 500ft of fence over 3 lines high. Has 10,000 volt shock.

[Ohwildwon]

Looked into building my own...

You can buy the battery operated charger, string, insulators etc on ebay or amazon and save a some cash...

Setting up can have its challenges, depending on your camp... nothing can touch it, ie a branch laden with snow or wind etc..

Pounding stakes into the ground as most of us know can be a headache, again depending on your location..

Thinking of using rebar, bending top for a sledge plus sharpened bottom...

Corners need to be staked as well..

Here is a link to a charging unit...

http://www.fishock.com/store/electric-fence-charger/ss-2dx

Link for wire or string...

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FJX7U6/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2FIPE4I01RC56&coliid=I37FGC61KJSCHD

Look to see what others have bought for insulators etc...

An electric fence like this is a deterrent or early warning at best..

A Grizz, if determined, will figure it out in short order...

[srupp]

Thanks Hunter Dog..unique long time..28 day fly in trip planned would be nice for the meat pole..
Steven

[Jagermeister]

Make sure you have your video cam handy. I wish I had one the day my friends dog (malamute /st. Bernard cross) got tangled up in the wire. I was laughing so hard I didn't have the strength to rescue the dog. She extracted herself in short time. After that, she gave the fence a very wide berth.
Someone mentioned a pack alarm and as Wayne pointed out it is just audio, nevertheless, it's not a bad idea to run a packalarm in conjunction with an electric fence. I think an early warning of the pack alarm in advance of the gbear emanation would be a better wake up call.

[hunter1947]

I would buy the bottom unit only cost 60 dollars more then the top one ,,covers way more ground area..

I want to have the fence go around the outside of my camper as for around my fire pit I cook my food
under my camper awning,,,what do you members think ???




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[Fisher-Dude]

For the few extra dollars, the bigger one would be worth it for sure Wayne.

Is 40x40 big enough for your camp?

[Big Hoss]

They seem awful pricy. I'd go into your local farm supply store and price out system then you can get the exact layout that fits your purpose rather than a kit. You just may not get the fancy carry bag

[Jelvis]

Hey Wiener one thing to watch out for ---- don't pee on the wire by mistake lol
Jelly -- Oh oh forgot -- Zap!

[hunter1947]

They seem awful pricy. I'd go into your local farm supply store and price out system then you can get the exact layout that fits your purpose rather than a kit. You just may not get the fancy carry bag


Good advice will do this today..

[hunter1947]

For the few extra dollars, the bigger one would be worth it for sure Wayne.

Is 40x40 big enough for your camp?

Yes Pat will do me good my fire pit is only 20 feet from the side of my camper

[wos]

As someone said farm supply store way less money.

[kootenaycarver]

I picked one up on ebay a while ago (at a great price), to use around my wall tent. Can't comment on its effectiveness yet. Haven't put up the trail camera and the electric fence at the same time.

[325]

I have a UDAP electric food cache fence. It's a smaller enclosure for caching food/meat/capes. I have used is many times, and have yet to have bear breach it. It also packs one hell of a wallop...I found that out the hard way!:shock:

[boxhitch]

I found that out the hard way!:shock:nature call in the dark ? ouch

[hunter1947]

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From Ebay..

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[375shooter]

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That's the one I have. Used it about 20 nights in bear country but don't know if any got zapped. Like Big Lew mentioned, not much power in gravelly ground, but that's true of all e-fences. In this situation, better connecting + and - direct to alternating wires.

[btridge]

Go into your farm supply and check out 12 volt, solar powered fencers. If you are accessing your camp by truck or 4 wheeler( they are to heavy for back pack), this is the best source I have found. The fencer I have will energize 25 miles of fence! I had a big black bear that kept getting into my bird feeders, I zig zaged about 30 ft of wire through the feeders and attached an old dog chain in coils on the ground under the feeders to the fencer ground to ensure a good connection. At 3 AM we heard a very loud screaming moan, we often saw him in the fruit trees after that, but never again did he touch our bird feeders. Also, if you are taking your dog with you camping, make sure the wire is a friendly height for him. My chesapeake hooked it with his tail and I don't think he ever forgave me.

[Big Lew]

That's the one I have. Used it about 20 nights in bear country but don't know if any got zapped. Like Big Lew mentioned, not much power in gravelly ground, but that's true of all e-fences. In this situation, better connecting + and - direct to alternating wires.

Yes, and I can attest that if doing so it will give one heck of a jolt, lol!

[Clint_S]

I fence my horses with electric fence and for an animal with a light coat it works great.

I also put my thick coated dogs in with them and on them the only way to get them to respect it is to physically force them to get shocked a couple times after which they steer clear otherwise they come and go between the wires as they please.

Any animal with a thick coat is pretty immune from the brunt of the shock especially in dry conditions unless they actually put their nose or forehead on the wire. I wouldn't put any hope at all in an electric fence keeping a bear out of an area unless you get lucky and get it to put it's nose on the wire. Guess you could up your chances of this by adding some peanut butter to the wire but then your adding bait to a place you don't want any attractants.

[hunter1947]

I priced a 12 volt controller just the controller was 359.00 without tax the volts were 5000,,, Store at top crop here in cranbrook,,a bag of 25 insulators cost 25.00,,700 feet of wire 69.00,,below you can click onto the link where it says see here.
shows the controller from Australia price including shipping is $121.70 from ebay,,if I go this route will total cost with the said above $215.00 what do you members think ???






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[Daybreak]

Wayne, I`d be inclined to buy closer to home and a package that is complete. Seems it would be easier to get follow up service or warranty if required. That kit listed a few pages back for $269 looked pretty good. That`s just my opinion though. I prefer to deal with a storefront and face to face if possible.

Now a question;

Suppose a person wanted to use an electric perimeter in combination with a pack alarm or an equivalent. Would it be best to position the electric perimeter inside or outside the audio alarm perimeter?

I think it would be best to use the electrical fence on the outer perimeter. This way an intruder (bear) would not trigger the audio alarm first and get spooked into bolting through the electric barrier.

I have a pack alarm type warning system that uses a tiny 12 VDC battery which powers an extremely loud siren. Never had a bear trigger it so I don't know how it would react however I suspect it would move pretty quickly in any given direction possibly charging right through an electric fence? Just thinking out loud here.

[Buck]

Udap at Cabelas http://www.cabelas.com/product/UDAP-Bear-Electric-Fence/1242284.uts


http://www.amazon.com/UDAP-BEF-Shock-Electric-Fence/dp/B001QGXNCY (http://www.amazon.com/UDAP-BEF-Shock-Electric-Fence/dp/B001QGXNCY)

[hunter1947]

Udap at Cabelas http://www.cabelas.com/product/UDAP-Bear-Electric-Fence/1242284.uts


(http://www.amazon.com/UDAP-BEF-Shock-Electric-Fence/dp/B001QGXNCY)http://www.amazon.com/UDAP-BEF-Shock-Electric-Fence/dp/B001QGXNCY


Buck I have an account with Amazon ,,I can't find out the details of this fence package from your link I want to know how many volts the
controller is and if its 12 volts that run the controller ???

[moosecamp]

Halfords have two online this one looks to be the same as that Cabela's sells.
https://www.halfordsmailorder.com/eSource/ecom/eSource/Portable_Electric_Bear_Fence_Kit/i_1_0_/_ACBEARFENCEPT

And this is the one from Cabela's
http://www.cabelas.com/product/UDAP-Bear-Electric-Fence/1242284.uts

[Buck]

Buck I have an account with Amazon ,,I can't find out the details of this fence package from your link I want to know how many volts the
controller is and if its 12 volts that run the controller ???


Runs on D cell batteries Wayne it is 5000 to 6000 volts same as the Cabelas model


http://www.cabelas.com/product/UDAP-Bear-Electric-Fence/1242284.uts

[hunter1947]

Runs on D cell batteries Wayne it is 5000 to 6000 volts same as the Cabelas model


http://www.cabelas.com/product/UDAP-Bear-Electric-Fence/1242284.uts

Buck thanks for the link this product sounds great ,,its kind of what I am looking for ..

[hunter1947]

I wonder if I could discard the wire with this SG50 unit and put my own wire with insulators ancore the insulators to a tree ,,the 27x27 coverage might not be large enough for
my needs I need about 45x45 coverage..

[boxhitch]

Princess Auto has a unit for sale this month that should do th etrick as well as plastic posts and webbing.

Electric fence wire could become the 'trip' wire for the packalarm/siren

[Jagermeister]

What can you learn from this video?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdM9YOYrcbs

[hunter1947]

What can you learn from this video?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdM9YOYrcbs

I would have the electric fence out further then what is shown on this video..

[375shooter]

I wonder if I could discard the wire with this SG50 unit and put my own wire with insulators ancore the insulators to a tree ,,the 27x27 coverage might not be large enough for
my needs I need about 45x45 coverage..

I think you should have no problem attaching insulators to a tree , as long as the positive wires do not touch any type of foliage. And you should have no problem increasing the size to 45'x45'. It comes 27x27 to probably keep the weight down and because that size is large enough for a typical tent camp.

[hunter1947]

I think you should have no problem attaching insulators to a tree , as long as the positive wires do not touch any type of foliage. And you should have no problem increasing the size to 45'x45'. It comes 27x27 to probably keep the weight down and because that size is large enough for a typical tent camp.


I will be doing the 45x45 whatever it takes ,,just don't want any of my friends to come in in the middle of the night and get sapped,,LOL..

[Sharpish]

Would it even shock a bear? All that fur would be a pretty good insulator ... If the bear wasn't standing on wet earth would it work? Or does the kit have a second neutral wire strung along in isolation of the energized conductor?

[Big Lew]

I set up my regular system that's energized through a transformer plugged into a household outlet.
The negative wire was attached to rods driven deep into the ground and the positive wire was attached
to insulators on wooden stakes. It didn't give any noticeable shock or jolt because the ground, by and
under the positive wires, was crushed rock which effectively insulated it from the negative or ground wire.
I altered the system by running alternate positive and negative wires fairly close together through insulators
on the stakes so that even small animals would have to touch both. It was extremely effective, so much so
that it really hurt and hammered me when I tested it. I'm pretty confident that a bear would really feel it the
way I set it up.

[hunter1947]

I set up my regular system that's energized through a transformer plugged into a household outlet.
The negative wire was attached to rods driven deep into the ground and the positive wire was attached
to insulators on wooden stakes. It didn't give any noticeable shock or jolt because the ground, by and
under the positive wires, was crushed rock which effectively insulated it from the negative or ground wire.
I altered the system by running alternate positive and negative wires fairly close together through insulators
on the stakes so that even small animals would have to touch both. It was extremely effective, so much so
that it really hurt and hammered me when I tested it. I'm pretty confident that a bear would really feel it the
way I set it up.


Good read good information..

[Gun Dog]

I used it for pasture fencing (horses) and around the dog kennels (some dogs are climbers). Animals hate getting shocked. When the ground is dry it's a little tingle but when it's raining the current flows and it'll knock me on my ass.

[hunter1947]

I have my friend my hunting partner looking over my drawing of the electric fence that I will put together from scratch brian is the head electrician at victoria shipyards he will do a drawing on how I should put this fence up ,,I sent Brian a drawing on how I would build the fence but might not work so the project is in my hunting partners hands now will wait for his feedback on a drawing from him next week will let all of you members know how much all said and done will cost me and how it works when it's completed..

I will be getting this baygard 00121 electric wire yellow/black,,656 feet of it on the roll.:grin:

Wire cost is 35.90 for 656 feet

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/51jWGKX0lWL_SY355_.jpg

This is the bat controller I will be getting cost 132.99,,total cost for the wire and controller is 168.89..:grin:

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/81J1Uj5oQNL_SL1500_.jpg

[Big Hoss]

To save a little money rather than buying the electric fence poles you can use ready rod cut to what ever length that suits your purpose. They make insulators that slide over the rod and you just tighten them up at what ever height you want. Also get a good long ground rod and in dry or gravel type ground I find it helps to pour water around the ground rod to ensure a better ground

[hunter1947]

To save a little money rather than buying the electric fence poles you can use ready rod cut to what ever length that suits your purpose. They make insulators that slide over the rod and you just tighten them up at what ever height you want. Also get a good long ground rod and in dry or gravel type ground I find it helps to pour water around the ground rod to ensure a better ground


Good feed back mam and women I love this thread I put up..

[hunter1947]

Here is the drawing I sent my hunting partner electrician friend ,,I don't know if it's right or wrong but if it is wrong he will figure it out..

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/Scan14.jpg

[Big Hoss]

It's hard to take a good look of your diagram cuz I only have my phone but from what I see it looks like your thinking of running a negative and a positive wire around your whole camp. Correct me if I'm wrong. All that's needed is to connect the negative terminal for your electric controller to the ground rod and connect your electric fence wire that you would run around the perimeter of your camp to the positive terminal on your controller

[hunter1947]

It's hard to take a good look of your diagram cuz I only have my phone but from what I see it looks like your thinking of running a negative and a positive wire around your whole camp. Correct me if I'm wrong. All that's needed is to connect the negative terminal for your electric controller to the ground rod and connect your electric fence wire that you would run around the perimeter of your camp to the positive terminal on your controller

Not all the way around the camp,, just the campfire pit and camper In red its shows the ground rod into the ground the controller shows red + for pos and - for negative just what you stated
the drawing shows trees I am anchored to but I can use rebar for anchor points....

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/Scan14.jpg

[Big Hoss]

Trees will work fine as long as you run the wires thru insulators like your picture shows. Just remember to keep any brush or tall grass from touching they wire as that would ground it out and draw some of the power out of the zap any critters would get

[Daybreak]

The diagram you have provided will work. In fact it would deliver a shock to an animal under two different conditions.

Firstly, if an animal touched both a negative wire and a positive wire simultaneously as illustrated in your drawing, voltage would deliver a shock as the animal is completing a circuit between the negative and positive wires back to the energiser.

Secondly, if the animal touched only the positive (pulse) wire a shock would be delivered as the circuit is now completed back to the energiser through the animals body and feet touching the ground.

What you have drawn is known as a "fence return system". It is used where ground and soil conditions are not consistant in providing a path for the current. Rocky, dry or sandy soils provide a poor ground path.

[hunter1947]

The diagram you have provided will work. In fact it would deliver a shock to an animal under two different conditions.

Firstly, if an animal touched both a negative wire and a positive wire simultaneously as illustrated in your drawing, voltage would deliver a shock as the animal is completing a circuit between the negative and positive wires back to the energiser.

Secondly, if the animal touched only the positive (pulse) wire a shock would be delivered as the circuit is now completed back to the energiser through the animals body and feet touching the ground.

What you have drawn is known as a "fence return system". It is used where ground and soil conditions are not consistant in providing a path for the current. Rocky, dry or sandy soils provide a poor ground path.


The ground is soil with grass on it will be a good conductor..

[hunter1947]

Trees will work fine as long as you run the wires thru insulators like your picture shows. Just remember to keep any brush or tall grass from touching they wire as that would ground it out and draw some of the power out of the zap any critters would get


No tall grass around I use a lawn more a couple times to keep the grass like a lawn LOL..

[Daybreak]

The other common system is called an "earth return system" and is used where the soil is consistently damp and loamy. This type of fence uses only positive (pulse) wires strung along the posts. In this case an animal will be shocked upon touching any one of the pulse wires on the fence. The current flows from the pulse wire into the animal and out its feet to the earth. From there it travels through the ground to the energiser to complete the circuit. Zap!

Problem with this style is it is entirely dependant on suitable ground and soil conditions to do its job. Performance can be improved by laying chicken wire around the perimeter and connecting the chicken wire to the grounding stake. Now the circuit can be completed from the animals feet through the chicken wire to the energiser.

[hunter1947]

Here is the camper where the fence will go around the fire pit is just over to the left of this picture,,no probs with long grass or other..

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/736.JPG

[Daybreak]

You could use either type Wayne... Fence Return System or Earth Return System. The only real difference is FRS runs both positive and negative wires along the posts whereas the ERS runs only positive wires along the posts.

What you have drawn is a good FRS. It will be easy to test once you have it assembled. You just need a volt meter capable of reading the voltage output of the energiser you purchase. I would want at least 6500 volts for bears.

[hunter1947]

I have my friend my hunting partner looking over my drawing of the electric fence that I will put together from scratch brian is the head electrician at victoria shipyards he will do a drawing on how I should put this fence up ,,I sent Brian a drawing on how I would build the fence but might not work so the project is in my hunting partners hands now will wait for his feedback on a drawing from him next week will let all of you members know how much all said and done will cost me and how it works when it's completed..


I have volt meter I use it for everything ,,batt testing ,,120v,240v output,alternator output on the truck or car etc..

[Big Hoss]

Daybreak I like your idea of the ERS system with the added chicken wire on the ground. I would have to think that a predator with the soft pads of there feet standing on the chicken wire and then touching the positive wire of the fence would give them one hell of a ZAP

[New Bow Hunter]

Check out ferris fencing.

[375shooter]

I did some research on electric fences a while back. If I understand it correctly, for a powerful zap not only high voltage is needed, but also a high joules. Can anyone confirm this? I think the small, portable units only produce about .5 joule but 110 volt units can produce 5, or more. I'm not sure how much 6 or 12 volt energizers produce.

[HarryToolips]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdM9YOYrcbs
yes posted before and this link was used as an example
Lol ya I love that one....

[hunter1947]

I did some research on electric fences a while back. If I understand it correctly, for a powerful zap not only high voltage is needed, but also a high joules. Can anyone confirm this? I think the small, portable units only produce about .5 joule but 110 volt units can produce 5, or more. I'm not sure how much 6 or 12 volt energizers produce.


I was thinking the same thing ,,my thoughts are that if a person used a deep cell marine battery or a truck car battery fully charged have converter 12volt to 120v
hooked to the batt sure this would work test your 12 volt batt every two hours and see how long the battery will last,person can have a full charged battery to replace the other
when it gets low..

When you go home recharge the two batteries bring them back in to the camp hook one back up to the fence,,during the daylight hours use a solar panel to keep
the 12 volt batt charged ??.

[hunter1947]

Here is a drawing of the portable posts that I will make I only need 4 of them the pegs to support the poles will be on the outside of the fence
I can make everything up at home then take all into my camp and put all together with my 18 volt portable drill if I used 3/8 rebar I will hit
lots of rocks in the ground would be hard to sink the rebar in the rocky ground,,any other Ideas would be appreciated..

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/medium/xx.jpg

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/medium/xxx.jpg

[Daybreak]

I have a thought for your posts Wayne. You would need the following;

4 large tin cans...free
4 x 5' lengths of 3/8" rebar...pennies per foot
1 bag quick mix cement $15
1 gallon water... free

Go to the local recycling lot and scrounge through the tin cans for the large tins cans restaurants buy their ketchup etc in. There are always lots of them in the bin. Remove the tops from the cans if not already done.

Haul the above items to your location, place the cans on a level surface and fill each can with the quick mix cement. When the cement is just about set up insert your rebar rods and adjust for true. Allow to set. Dig a small hole in the correct location for each can and place the can and post in the hole. Again, adjust for true and then tamp soil around the can. They will outlast you and I and could be yanked from the hole when you leave and stowed in the bush for next time.

[New Bow Hunter]

We used these when we were packing with the horses.
We used fiberglass posts and ran five strands of the woven poly cord with the stainless wire woven in.
We used five strands. The top, third and fifth row were hot. The second and forth row went directly back to the fencer. Even if the ground was dry this still provided a positive ground.
We used this method around the landfill to keep the bears out.

[rocksteady]

Make 6 or 8 of those snap traps that use 12 gauge shells. Probably just as effective and a whole pile cheaper....
plus a lot more fun...

google it Wayne

[wos]

The unit I bought for my cabin is a patriot solar guard 155. It has the panel and battery all in one it works great.

[hunter1947]

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/1257.jpg http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/4120.jpg http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/medium/589.jpg

[hunter1947]

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/medium/3145.jpg http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/660.jpg http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/751.jpg

[hunter1947]

Here is some good advice on how to build a electric fence..https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=installing+a+electric+fence

[emerson]

I fence my horses with electric fence and for an animal with a light coat it works great.

I also put my thick coated dogs in with them and on them the only way to get them to respect it is to physically force them to get shocked a couple times after which they steer clear otherwise they come and go between the wires as they please.

Any animal with a thick coat is pretty immune from the brunt of the shock especially in dry conditions unless they actually put their nose or forehead on the wire. I wouldn't put any hope at all in an electric fence keeping a bear out of an area unless you get lucky and get it to put it's nose on the wire. Guess you could up your chances of this by adding some peanut butter to the wire but then your adding bait to a place you don't want any attractants.
I found the same with our Great Pyrennes. She didn't like it but would run through the fence if she was interested in something on the other side.

[hunter1947]

Well all is complete I will be receiving all the stuff I needed to build a electric fence for you members just incase you ever want to do what I will be doing and that is
putting up an electric fence I did lots of shopping around to get the best deal for my buck here's the pictures and break down on the coast..

Controller 12 volt cost $133.00........................................... .................................................. ..................25 insulators for wood posts $714..
http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/91YEbMI5rIL_SL1500_.jpg http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/medium/61zmOp4XTkL_SL1000_.jpg


Aluminum 164 feet 16 gauge wire $930.............................................. .............................................4 Insulated gate handles $994

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/51W_lYXfzNL.jpg http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/6195bBPbT9L_SL1500_.jpg


I priced a 5/8,,x8 foot long galvanized ground rod at the electrical outlet the price is $22.00

the total cost without tax is $159.53......I will have two set ups one around the meat pole the other around my camper or tent..

[J_T]

What is your plan to power it Wayne? I know you have a number of power solutions in camp. Just wondering what your approach will be on this.

[hunter1947]

What is your plan to power it Wayne? I know you have a number of power solutions in camp. Just wondering what your approach will be on this.


This controller will be powered by a 12 volt car battery or other its a 12 volt controller not a 120 volt and during the day I will put my solar panel to use to keep the
battery charged even if I don't use the solar panel just the batt the controller batt life would be months before I would have to charge the battery....

[hunter1947]

Rough drawing of my setup..

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/Scan15.jpg

[gamehunter6o]

Rough drawing of my setup..

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/Scan15.jpg

Having to set up and pay for a complicated system like that, just to stay safe in camp, you should consider moving to New Zealand where you can hunt 7 species of deer, all year round and we don't have bears.

[hunter1947]

I can separate all three and use one at a time when I want,,just have to move the controller to one of the three places and disconnect a few wires......

[fearnodeer]

I am thinking after watching the vids I should get a stun gun for Bear Defence LOL

[hunter1947]

Received part of my order yesterday $994 for 164 feet of aluminum wire 16 gauge,,$707 for one bag of insulators 25 in the bag..

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/001112.JPG

[hunter1947]

Received my four insulated handles yesterday from amazon..

http://www.huntingbc.ca/photos/data/500/00831.JPG

[hunter1947]

I found this on youtube thought you would think this is very interesting video to look at....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcQeBofF_to

[vegan22]

Put a little hot pepper in inflated balloons then coat them in bacon fat.

[boxhitch]

Hows this working out for you Wayne?

Kamloops Peavey Mart has portable fence kits for $90

[jamfarm]

Make sure you have a good ground.