Mountain passes how they might work for mule deer?

[Jelvis]

+ What and how in (your mind) is the term (mountain passes) used in and for hunting mule deer?
What is a bona-fide explanation of the term (mountain pass)? So we don't just think of highways and railroads on these big mountain ranges. But the rugged mule deer on (a ridge near Kammy). Walking along it's corridor the ridge itself.
Jelly ( Flicka dah Wrist ) for muley deerz - :shock: - Go LEH Cali any ram Kamloops Lake, and the mooski near Kamloops Wild Country a few K from the Nor Shore. That's close folks to the Twin Rivers.
Will help you with the proper terms.

[Jelvis]

--> So what is a mountain pass? It is the most easily accessible point between mountains where you can "pass" through. Other terms used in west is a "saddle". Notch or gap for the easterners.
- Instead of mountain saddles let's use ridge saddles coming together in a certain MU.
- take it down to a hunting tactic using ridges as a highway for mule deer.
- they go at night looking, listening, looking for a fight or some lovin, using ridges like we use to walk on top, it's usually easier and quicker from use and less bush. The buck can hear and watch both sides of his ridge as he looks down and smells wind from both sides now.
( Ridge Runners) who meet at the ends of "their" ridge to tussle with Mr. Big from the udder hood for the sweet prize of fatherhood. He better be one tuff mudder! It's break neck speed and all muscle power with balance and twist the other stud buck to the ground.
--> It's all about the muley estrus/rut up here in Kammy double wammy. Use the saddles and the rattles, the calls in the fall, doe meow a fawn in distress sound. Deer come.
Jelvis -- I'm baaaack -- I'm back in the saddle again hen hen -- Stevie Tyler --

[Glenny]

Could headem off there!! lol

[Jelvis]

=-/---> Mountain passes can be relatively high, steep, rocky and just plain hard to climb around
These are worth exploring for mule deer, so join me and Roddy (the Body) and we look into, over, through and around some mule deer natural passes close to Kamloops BC. Mule deer trails pair ah lel the passes towards the bottoms but on the side hill lowdown.
The pass is considered the highest point or summit at which you traverse the area. Mule deer use passes to walk thru and along. Another term used for mountain pass " The location in a range of mountains of a geological formation that is lower than the surrounding peaks.
Jelly ( The Mule ) Skinner Blues - much more coming soon . Drainages like creeks follow the base.

[Jelvis]

Use the same idea in the Kamloops area for mules but change mountain pass to (ridge pass). Localize your focus on saddles where you hunt an area. Use them as a entrance to what's behind that ridge.
1. Be in half decent shape if you hunt passes even in the North Thompson like MU 3-27, 28 and 29 for instance. You'll need to walk in a half K then hike up 200 feet and then along.
= you don't need to be an athlete but be in fairly good cardio to drag out.
+ Where two or three ridges meet and saddle down into a flatter spot. The ends of those two ridges coming together dips like a saddle. Could be three ridges coming together in one lil flat arena for fighting and mating. This is where you want to be for bucks and does in the rut from Oct 20th to Nov 24th. About 2700 feet give or take a couple hundred. These are cross over, cross thru saddles on a ridge and are only twenty five yards spread out on the bottom or a hundred yards or so. Not huge mountain passes.
++ This is where you look for mule deer in the Kammy area. The meeting of ridges is where bucks tend to do battle in the saddle, they do big neck breaking battles. Meeting of ridge ends means an arena for an all out scrap, for the prizes.
+++ Find a ridge just off the road parallel to the road your on that has a natural saddle and walk into the ridge end and up then walk the ridge like a buck would, check it out..
This is where the deer will walk in the dark and then stand just below off the ridge by the bottom of the saddle as daylight exposes the four point and three does just below and they don't see you yet. ++++ Look over the edge and along as you walk slowly gawking all around, stop and listen, look for fresh tracks and scat, any sign of a muley. Be ready at all times.
Jelly ( Mule Deer ) with a free pass

[Bugle M In]

Can we have this "lecture" with "pictures"??
Preferably in color, with lines, circles, arrows, x's and o's.
But please, sorry for the interruption...keep going...

[Ferenc]

The fate of the Donner party... Good example !

[Jelvis]

--- If I gave pictures of the hot spots me and Roddy knew and some guys in Kamloops would be disgusted with Roddy the body. Showing off the spots and maybe they go there too, like guys who Roddy took there for instance.
--- The North Thompson the Kamloops country has ridges by the hundreds and flats by the score.
Like I was saying, " Fighting area and mating up is at these ridge ends which saddle down into an arena type flat bowl at the end of these ridges." Could be a hike up a steeper sloped 100 foot slope up to the ridge line from a secondary road and no one climbs it, but it's only short husky climb onto the ridge top and no one else goes too or at least very few. So the deer get pushed into this spot too. The other hunters drove ten k around to get close to where you are. You hiked a hundred feet and they push the deer into you.
--- Saddles also gets you in behind the ridges where the deer are congregating and feeding a bit. Look for movement. Also (look for the lighter tan colored rump of the muley). When you (learn to recognize this), you will see them b4 they see you.
Jelly ( Back in the Saddle ) Again -- We're going to walk where the muley walks --

[Jelvis]

=-ll---> I've got great news to spread on the web, Rocko, and Jake Brake are adding some valuable information on the Kammy area and it's passes and trails.
Roddy the body has signed on as an advisor for new and seasoned hunters seeking mules in Region 3, Mu's 3-18, 19, 27, 28, 29 and 30 + one MU in region 5. Mu 5-01.
But wait there's more Ho Ho Ho Hold it!
=-//----> Looky Louey has been consulted by studying his past writings, whoa!
Time to do some studying road maps and topo's to keep up here mule hunters both meat and trophy type mule hunters. We all love mule deer venison and a big four point has lots.
Anyways we got lucky.
We're going to cover Kammy out in a ray of directions. From Ashcroft thru to lil Fort, Savano to Cherry Creek/Greenstone to Barriere, Darfield and Hwy 24.
Jelly ( Theophilus ) We show the K m's on some spots out of Kammy. Some spots that have big mule Bah Hucks Whoa! Just for the Karma folks, nice to help out and be helped.
Hey your going to walk in, not sit in your twuck ok, but you will see the bucks and does and fawns.

[kennyj]

Awesome!! Let er rip.
kenny

[Jelvis]

=-/---> Kamloops close by and out about an hour drives. Only one farther would be Hwy 24 out to Mu 5-01 the rest are closer to Kammy.
+ Closest to Kamloops Nor Shore would be up the LacDubois Road.
Have a map book to check these roads we put on and follow thru with some home study to be ready for this season.
++ 20 K up you find Watching Creek check map and especially a topo or google.
+++ see where the creek comes down from and where it goes to.
++++ notice Mu 3-28 and Mu 3-29 interchange around 15 k or so up the LacDubois Road.
Your going into MU 3-29 to Watching Creek for mules.
Jel -- Comes down from Porcupine Meadows and hits the Tranquille River. Look at map.

[Jelvis]

=-ll---> Watching Creek is beside (Pass Lake) a little fishing lake with trophy trout size limits.
Look at your topo at Pass lake and as you look at the lake, look around the lake and how the topography changes and flows. The surrounding hills and dips.
---> we will pick this spot apart for you while you study this spot for now preparing for the next muley rut and concentrations of the beast itself.
+ So we're up LacDubois road past 17 k or so and see Pass Lake sign. Your at Pass lake and in an area where the mules pass by, look at the steep grade of rock on the one side of the lake. The northern side is a steep rock wall. How would a mule get around that and where?
++ ( Pass lake ) this is a fine spot to start your Kamloops hunt in the last week in October/and all of the rest of the GOS. Check no shooting area of course on your regs and maps info around the actual lake itself. It's a small no shooting but everything else as far as wilderness goes in mule deer habitat around it.
+++ People love fishing there. So could you, come up and fish, no live bait, no motors I think, but big trout, fish this spring/summer at Pass Lake and check these spots mentioned for deer season.

++++Might sound kind of too close to civilisation to a person who has not been there and too simple a plan, but when you see it and drive past Pass lake you hit the road to the right which goes up Watching Creek. Now at this turn, already you are now on a passing area for mule deer.
Jel -- more info sharing on this particular muley rich area very close but massive opportunity for mule deer hunters looking for a spot to expand on season after season.

[Jelvis]

=-//---> l On your map you can see Watching Creek coming down just past Pass Lake on the main your on.
-When your past Pass Lake and hit the Watching Creek Road, look across the creek --
Some beauty area no need to drive and drive. This is in mid October on for the best mule hunting at this junction and what your eyes can see on the other side.
-To reach this other side go straight instead of up Watching Creek road stay straight at the junction.
-- Go 2 or 3 km max approximately on this straight road and notice to your north (right side of road)old roads cut in along Watching Creek on the other side with big buck country. --- Roddy says hunt this in snow if your first time on this side.
Can be confusing for a person the way the land lies.
In snow you can back track if you get one. Back track to the truck.
1+ Close area to Kammy but past by with many rigz going to farther spots. If you like walking along slow and off the road, this would be an area you want to explore season after season and know your area and know the mules. Year after year, leh up for moose and mule antlerless and go.
2++ MU 3-29 you can put in for Cali any ram in Mu 3-29 a and b now also. Check Leh regs 2016. Get your leh in. Mules, sheep, moose, you name it and maybe the leh gods will claim it. You could stay in Kammy for the nights and hunt the daze. lol. Or stay there beside the creek in a small camp and listen to the night sounds and see the stars as you sip and smoke and socialize with your buds.
3+++ Kammy has it all no doubt with leh winners. GOS is a big bonus for mules, Dec 10. Check gos mules in the BC Hunting regs 2016/17. Know the regs and leh seasons well.
Apply if you win it's a plus, but if you love mules gos is great.
4++++ Even anybuck October is a blessing nearest Kamloop$ saves money closer by.
--- we will radiate around Pass Lake like the mules do and hit a monster mule and lots of meat with antlerless to add. We will hone in on Roddy's territory using Pass Lake as the center of the action adventure come true. You will walk the back trails around Pass lake.
You will hike the old raods Roddy knows and bless his hunting soul he shares with hbc.
Jelly Joe coffee -- roddy's one spot closest to town with muley renown --

[srupp]

Hmm here in the Cariboo..most all the deer leave the Cariboo mts east of likely and funnel througha small pass enroute to the Fraser river winter area.
The Wolverine lake valley. Sometimes the ground looks like a excavator worked it over..the ground is just laid flat and bare.
Literally thousands of deer over several weeks .
Steven

[skibum]

Might sound kind of too close to civilisation to a person who has not been there and too simple a plan, but when you see it and drive past Pass lake you hit the road to the right which goes up Watching Creek.
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You've already gone a couple km's past some huge racks come the rut

[Jelvis]

XXX -- >l "That's very true skibum, as you drive up from the bottom of Batchelor road off the end of Ord and Westsyde road you drive up a steep pave road with new houses along for a k or so then a cattle guard by some mailboxes then gravel, continue up and go to 5.5 k and your past Kamloops City limit sign and start gawking at each side as you drive slowly toward Watching Creek. Some whitetail in this stretch lots of aspens and green bush.
=-l--> No shoot zone at McQueen Lake at about 15 km up LacDubois road. Check on hunting reg maps.
------->Right now it's Pass Lake as the centre of attraction for many reasons. We will radiate out from Pass lake. Up down and sideways.
Jelly ( Million Dollar) Bill

[Jelvis]

=-ll--->l " We will hunt as close to Pass Lake as possible and all around the lake in a radius.
The radius will expand into an area covering the ridge above Pass Lake and across and below it in the pass and above it on Opax mtn for now. See (Opax Mountain and it's location to Pass Lake) (and look at it's shape and connection to Mt. Wheeler) for now. This will help you see the distances on your map." l<---ll-= When you come up and fish Pass Lake for ten pound Kamloops trout or hunt around your eyes will open. Your jaw will drop.
Jelly ( I'm Blurry Face ) I do care what you think

[skibum]

I shot one and know of another --- I took a wolf out very close to Pass Lake. They are close to town too.

You will see that those deer are very skittish --- if you have spent a morning or two watching them poke their heads out of timber and never come into the cut.

[Jelvis]

--- Thanks ski bum it's good to see you hunt behind Batchelor also with many top hunters from Kammy and other places. We hunters love Kamloops wild country right out the doors.
I got a nice antlerless muley doe and the meat was a total treat, grass fed dry doe up LacDubois this season. Meat was fantastic.
------ Kamloops is sweet and we need to share this paradise with our hunting brothers and sisters for Karma sake.
--- Go for LEH Any ram Cali sheep Kamloops Lake 3-29 a or b and any bull moose and antlerless mule. This season have a whitetail tag just in case.
We're going to see some mule hunters get a fine muley buck this season coming.
--- Plan a weekender for Pass Lake and see some beauty, the best fishing is under the big rock face in the corner, BAM! I gotta monster on get the gaffer, the nets too small holy cow. :lol: :cool:

[Jelvis]

If you go straight on the main you come up on past the Watching Creek road turnoff you can go to Saul Lake and either Red lake or Criss Creek connections all the way. Nice moose country and big mules too.
This is Mu 3-29 and pick leh any bull moose closer to Criss Creek check a and b areas of 3-29 in your leh papers b4 picking the code.
Cali sheep a and b Kamloops Lake 3-29 a and b for any Cali ram for the deli.
Antlerless mule deer by thee duz zoonz, get an leh antlerless mule for 3-29
=-//--->l "We are concentrating on Pass Lake and it's many hiking while hunting opportunities for some big eared deer". When looking at a detailed topo of Pass Lake and it's relationship to Opax Mt see the off roads and trails on old old roads on the map around Pass lake.
Check Opax Mtn well and it's connection with Mt Wheeler and Mt Mara. A natural highway from Pass Lake down to North Kamloops. This is starting to come to focus as you study this game rich migration route and natures highway and biways, ponds and trails for mules of renown.
-- Mara Mt you can see from Kamloops is the last step down for mules. And has some eye popping muley country, take notice that her east side is in Kammy City Limits so check map first but lots of this gorgeous hill is Crown. Study map for clarity.
Some big mule deer come down here very late in the season.
We'll cover it all in this thread.
Jel with Roddy and Jake. Pass Lake/Opax/Wheeler/Mara. North to south in that order.

[Jelvis]

=-//--->l " After leaving the bottom of LacDubois road from off the east end of Ord road and Westsyde road. We start driving up the LacDubois road. Start at zero k and go.
Look at the K signs as you drive slowly up.
When you hit after 5k you see Kamloops city limits sign on the right side of the road as you go up.
The next cattle guard is just b4 a road to the left about 6k.
You can turn in here stay on the road, it goes into Prudence Pass, named after the old rancher guy. This fenced area you drive to is only a k in or so. You see his fence blocking the road. Take note of this as you look at your BC rec map. This is his private lil piece so check map.
This spot is important to know for late season and the rut.
Remember look at approx. 6 km on the LacDubois road for now.
Jel -- we are going to conquer the herds routes from up Pass Lake to the Kamloops aero port via Opax/Wheeler,Mara. And all in between.

[Jelvis]

=-//-------------------> Here's a good thread to study b4 coming this 2017 mule season to Kamloops country, you can see passes all thru this fine semi-dez ert, and mountains surrounding the City of Kamloops BC
Read this thru quick and underline any important things that stuck in your head about passes and their importance to muley migration during snow times and moving down to breeding grounds in the fall
Jel -- Good luck in 2017 from me, Rock and Roddy -- your hunting buds.

This thread is coupled with the new thread about \mu's surrounding Kamloops.
Read and study this thread b4 planning a hunt for any buck October or in the rut in November.
--This thread has valuable information from Roddy Rocko me and others we know.