30-06 griz loads -- again...

[Ltbullken]

I'm sure this has been covered many times over but I can't resist. I have a Husqvarna 30-06 with a 24" barrel 1:10 twist and plan on spending the winter developing a griz load for it (Interior griz to be specific). I think my work may already be done but I'm interested in what others have to say about griz loads. I was able to work up a 168 gr TSX load at over 2900 fps shooting MOA and a 200 gr Nosler Partition load around 2600 fps shooting MOA. The TSX load is pushed by H4350 and the Partition load with IMR 4350. I was on the range in about 6C temps. Both are really mild to shoot.

If this is what you had to work with, what load would you choose and why?

[325]

I would choose the Barnes 168 TTSX. 2900 fps is smokin' fast for a 30-06 with these bullets too.

[Gateholio]

Both should work fine. Both should go through both shoulders of s grizzly.

[Rackmastr]

Either would work quite well and I'd be confident in either.

I shot my bear with a 210 TSX from a 338, and am partial to the TSX performance, but a 200gr Partition will do some good work on a bear as well.

[BgBlkDg]

I have been in at the death of about a dozen Grizzlies and packed various protection guns during decades of solo wilderness work.

All in all, given recoil issues, reaction time after a first shot and gun weight, I consider the 200 NP at about 2700 to be most practical for most people.

To get there in a 24 inch tube, I load RE-22 by choice and some 22 barrels will almost make it as well.

I have had at least 15 fine .3006s since 1967 and for ONE powder for all loads, having tried many, I prefer H-4350.

For Grizzly loads, use ONCE-fired cases, fresh primers and load one gr. under max.

[moosinaround]

Six of one, Half a dozen of the other. Whats your fav? I shoot the 168 TTSX in my 300 wind bag. It will kill all mortal beings 'round these parts! I am sure you will be fine with either bullet selection. Of course, that is if you can hit the broad side of a barn with them, when the furry critter with sharp pointed teeth is in front of you?!!;) Moosin

[BCBRAD]

I've used the '06 on moose ,b-bear and deer , with the 168gr TSX-BT and 200gr AccuBond in an 11 twist barrel. The 168's run 2825fps and the 200's right ~2700fps. Both kill but the 200 seems to leave a bigger wound channel and what appears to be a lot more destruction.
I think I would want the 200's.

[Deer_Slayer]

30-06 180 grn Federal Premium work for me.

[Xenomorph]

30-06 180 grn Federal Premium work for me.

I think he's trying to find a reload formula, not buy factory ammo.

[todbartell]

I packed my 30-06 as a 2nd rifle one year while grizzly hunting. I loaded it with 200gr TSX. On another hunt I packed my 300wm as backup loaded with 200gr LRX

[REMINGTON JIM]

I packed my 30-06 as a 2nd rifle one year while grizzly hunting. I loaded it with 200gr TSX. On another hunt I packed my 300wm as backup loaded with 200gr LRX

And you KNOW it too that the 30-06 with the 200 TSX would out penetrate that 300 mag with the LRX bullet :grin: RJ

[todbartell]

Maybe? Both penetrate like crazy. Whistled a couple 200gr LRX through this guy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLTzVtHdV3Y

[Ltbullken]

I'm really leaning toward the 168 TSX load at 2900 fps. I can use that as 'do all round' as well. Still carrying 2000fps at 500 yds. The 200 gr Nosler Partition could be useful on a bison hunt, if that ever comes around, given you need to have a min of 175 gr bullet.

[40incher]

We use 180 grain Federal Premium High Energy factory loads ... two real dead 8-foot grizz tell no lies (or stories it seems).

[Timbow]

I would lean towards the tsx. Have you tried the ttsx? To get 2900 fps with H4350, you must have a pretty stout load. Are you using a magnum primer?

[Ltbullken]

I would lean towards the tsx. Have you tried the ttsx? To get 2900 fps with H4350, you must have a pretty stout load. Are you using a magnum primer?

168 gr TSX, Fed 210, 57 gr H4350, bullet set at .05" jump, Win Case. No bolt lift issues and primer looks normal. Also, I have a 24" barrel.

[todbartell]

Cartridge : .30-06 Springfield
Bullet : .308, 168, Barnes 'TSX'BT 30351
Useable Case Capaci: 59.628 grain H2O = 3.872 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 95 51.30 2566 2457 44184 8176 93.2 1.291
-09.0 96 51.87 2594 2510 45580 8273 93.7 1.275
-08.0 98 52.44 2621 2563 47021 8369 94.2 1.260
-07.0 99 53.01 2649 2617 48515 8463 94.6 1.245
-06.0 100 53.58 2676 2672 50060 8554 95.0 1.230
-05.0 101 54.15 2704 2727 51656 8643 95.4 1.215
-04.0 102 54.72 2731 2782 53302 8729 95.8 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 103 55.29 2759 2839 54998 8813 96.2 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 104 55.86 2786 2896 56747 8894 96.6 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 105 56.43 2814 2953 58551 8973 96.9 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 106 57.00 2841 3011 60417 9049 97.2 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 107 57.57 2869 3070 62349 9122 97.6 1.118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 108 58.14 2896 3129 64351 9191 97.8 1.102 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

[Ltbullken]

Cartridge : .30-06 Springfield
Bullet : .308, 168, Barnes 'TSX'BT 30351
Useable Case Capaci: 59.628 grain H2O = 3.872 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 95 51.30 2566 2457 44184 8176 93.2 1.291
-09.0 96 51.87 2594 2510 45580 8273 93.7 1.275
-08.0 98 52.44 2621 2563 47021 8369 94.2 1.260
-07.0 99 53.01 2649 2617 48515 8463 94.6 1.245
-06.0 100 53.58 2676 2672 50060 8554 95.0 1.230
-05.0 101 54.15 2704 2727 51656 8643 95.4 1.215
-04.0 102 54.72 2731 2782 53302 8729 95.8 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 103 55.29 2759 2839 54998 8813 96.2 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 104 55.86 2786 2896 56747 8894 96.6 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 105 56.43 2814 2953 58551 8973 96.9 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 106 57.00 2841 3011 60417 9049 97.2 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 107 57.57 2869 3070 62349 9122 97.6 1.118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 108 58.14 2896 3129 64351 9191 97.8 1.102 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

I was wondering if TB was gunna pop in here with a QL chart!!

[BCBRAD]

My old chronograph gave me 2900fps with the 168gr TSX.........my new one 2814 fps. With 58gr of H-4350 and a 570mm bbl.

[todbartell]

A guy can crowd 3 grand with 168gr TSX out of a 24" barrel 30-06, with a few powders.

[Timbow]

A guy can crowd 3 grand with 168gr TSX out of a 24" barrel 30-06, with a few powders.

I believe RL17 could achieve that. What powders do you have in mind?

[Ltbullken]

i believe rl17 could achieve that. What powders do you have in mind?

imr 4350, h414, rl 19?

[srupp]

Hmm two different bullets for two different uses..
The NY was designed to grenade and she'd 40 % of its mass on contact..not good on grizzly shoulders.
The TSX is the choice of that 2 for grizzly hunting..it's all I load for G bear.
Not familiar with tsx for 30..06 ..is there a 180 grain in that caliber in tsx?

Several years ago a rookie g bear hunter asked the same question..size does matter as does shot location..
Shots should not be over 150 yards..so long range on g bears is not needed.
Bullet placement should be front leg..and the bullet should be premium calibre..TSX designed to hold together and do max damage to legs..shoulders keeping the bear from leaving..and no turn blown bones into shrapnel to take out lungs.
What powder works best? Don't know.for your situation. .
Hmm when faced with his 900 pound grizzly Justin was glad he went a tad bigger on the projectile .
Something in 180 gr? If available in tsx for your calibre.
My...02
Srupp

[todbartell]

Loaded a bit warmer than typical, but within the same lines of other "high intensity" cartridges (280 Ackley 300wsm etc)


Cartridge : .30-06 Springfield
Bullet : .308, 168, Barnes 'TSX'BT 30351
Useable Case Capaci: 59.628 grain H2O = 3.872 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

15 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant RL26 110.0 65.0 4.21 3013 99.6 59033 10727 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL17 101.7 58.6 3.80 3013 100.0 64000 9628 1.085 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 106.5 60.4 3.92 2968 99.1 64000 9802 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 100.5 58.5 3.79 2960 98.5 64000 9777 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 100.5 58.5 3.79 2960 98.5 64000 9777 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 90.6 55.5 3.59 2929 100.0 64000 8989 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL19 110.0 60.5 3.92 2929 96.6 62010 9868 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 95.9 56.2 3.64 2928 100.0 64000 9014 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 95.6 52.5 3.40 2923 100.0 64000 9036 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 108.9 57.9 3.75 2918 100.0 64000 8689 1.101 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL15 96.4 53.0 3.43 2913 100.0 64000 9006 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828ssc 110.0 62.1 4.02 2912 94.1 59291 10127 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 91.0 54.6 3.54 2907 100.0 64000 8795 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 110.0 57.9 3.75 2903 99.8 61663 9198 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 97.6 54.8 3.55 2902 99.7 64000 9097 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 93.0 51.1 3.31 2897 100.0 64000 8723 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 98.3 53.2 3.45 2896 100.0 64000 8668 1.101 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 107.9 58.0 3.76 2892 97.8 64000 9180 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 106.0 57.9 3.75 2891 97.9 64000 9168 1.105 ! Near Maximum !





Typical load, typical 30-06 have 22" barrels, expect 2800ish FPS - still a good killer! Could also try a 180gr TTSX, but won't get much more than 2700 fps from a 22" brl...probably perform great inside a few hundred yards. IMO the 180gr monometals are better suited to the bigger 300's