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Ohwildwon
09-26-2015, 07:52 PM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/grizzly-bear-trophies-part-of-circle-of-life/article26552506/


GARY MASON (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/authors/gary-mason)
The Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Sep. 25, 2015 8:38PM EDT
Last updated Saturday, Sep. 26, 2015 11:56AM EDT



Scott Ellis does not have a problem if a person wants to pay thousands of dollars for the opportunity to shoot a B.C. grizzly bear, chop off its head for mounting and leave its rotting corpse for animals to scavenge.
“Does the bear care?” says Mr. Ellis, the executive director of the Guide Outfitters Association of B.C.
“It’s already dead. Whatever you decide to do with it, he doesn’t care. And in the circle of life, there are other things that will feed off of that carcass: wolves, coyotes, birds. All that meat will be absorbed into the environment by other creatures.”
In the heated, often emotional debate in this province over trophy hunting, Mr. Ellis represents the interests of those who have an economic stake in the future of this practice. Like many hunters, Mr. Ellis is also an ardent conservationist. He is dead set against the hunting of any species whose existence is threatened, but the grizzly is not one of them, he says.
In an hour-long conversation, Mr. Ellis and I debated this subject. I told him I did not think the issue was whether the trophy hunting of grizzlies should be stopped because their numbers are dwindling, rather because it is simply wrong, period. How did his organization defend, on moral grounds, the practice of killing grizzlies for sport?
“We don’t,” Mr. Ellis told me. “We don’t try to morally defend someone’s personal decision. There are people who like it and some who don’t. We have a free country and we have choices. But I think people have this notion that if we stop the trophy hunting of grizzlies, there will be more grizzlies.”
And there might be. But again, I don’t think that is the issue. For most people, the issue revolves around the ethics of what is being done. We used to hang people in the town square; we don’t any more. We have ceased lots of barbaric activities as we have evolved into a civilized society. And when it comes to killing bears for sport, our revulsion was forged long before a video surfaced recently showing a grizzly being shot and tortured by a pair of sport hunters allegedly in B.C.
For what it’s worth, Mr. Ellis said he, too, was offended by what he saw on that video. He said the conduct of the hunters involved was reprehensible and he agreed the negative publicity the video generated likely hurt the reputation of guide outfitters everywhere.

But, at the same time, he expressed sympathy for the circumstances in which Walter Palmer, the Minnesota dentist who killed Cecil the Lion, has found himself.
“My understanding is all of that [lion] meat gets consumed in the local community,” Mr. Ellis said. “So, you know, there was this enormous outcry around Cecil, but this is a predator that eats humans around villages and the villagers celebrate when a lion dies. But it’s a big deal from our arrogant or ignorant perspective that this is some kind of tragedy.
“If the guy [Mr. Palmer] broke some law, throw the book at him. But if he followed the law of that community and did what he was supposed to, then that’s different.”
All that said, Mr. Ellis knows political pressure is growing to end the trophy hunt in B.C. He can feel it. He can sense it. And he admits that Premier Christy Clark is likely asking herself whether the 300 grizzlies killed each year for trophy hunting is worth the hit she is taking politically for it.
Mr. Ellis even went as far as to say that people buying guide outfitting operations today should not include grizzly kills in their future profit-and-loss estimates because they likely will not be able to count on that income in the near future. “And that will be a sad day,” he said.
That is quite a shocking admission. Even the head of the province’s guide outfitting association can see the writing on the wall. Even he is preparing his members for the moment when they will no longer be able to rely on the income of wealthy foreigners and others who want to come into the province to kill one of our most iconic creatures just for the fun of it.
How much longer will it be before the government comes to this same realization? Right now, Ms. Clark’s Liberals are shamefully behind the public’s attitude on this one.

Follow Gary Mason on Twitter: @garymasonglobe (https://twitter.com/@garymasonglobe)

Gateholio
09-26-2015, 08:21 PM
I am astounded that any GO wants anything to do with Scott Ellis. He walked right into it.....

Rob Chipman
09-26-2015, 08:32 PM
Did I get that right? Did Gary Mason just accept without question that a) trophy hunting is not a waste of meat, b) that this is a free country where people are allowed to make legal choices and c) that grizzly numbers are not dwindling?

And did he then say that despite science and the right to act freely we have to stop the grizzly hunt simply because it's wrong?

In short, did he just write an article that got published in a nationally distributed newspaper that says, essentially "Stop liking what I don't like!"?

If I did indeed read him correctly I admire Mr. Mason's honesty. He doesn't seem to care about the facts, just the feelings, and he's not afraid to say so in print.

Ohwildwon
09-26-2015, 08:36 PM
Wish someone would, could explain to these Media Columnists that harvesting Boar Griz in healthy pops actually increases the pops....

Anyone care to bet they go too, pulling the meat out before an outright ban?

Anyone on here from Bella Coola, can you let your kids walk to school?....

Salty
09-26-2015, 08:36 PM
No, Ellis isn't the sharpest tack in the box. ..

Looking_4_Jerky
09-26-2015, 08:44 PM
Seems like a pretty straight shooter (pardon the pun :grin:). I think to take some nonsensical stand would only hurt his credibility in he long run. He knows it, the reporter knows it, most people have a pretty good idea that hunt is going the way of the dodo. There is a selfish part of me that thinks that bear control will help ungulate numbers, but realistically the negative press probably offsets the benefits of having bears whacked, especially given that we can save as many elk & moose calves as we want, but if the habitat isn't there the numbers won't be much different that we currently see.

Whonnock Boy
09-26-2015, 09:29 PM
Time to completely distance ourselves from the GOABC and guides. Throw them under the bus as they are the "trophy" hunters. Resident hunters are practicing conservation, protecting ungulates, while filling their freezers. Let's not forget that a bear that has no fear of humans might as well be a dead bear. This is what will happen in the years to come when they are not hunted, and surely they will be left to rot..... the entire carcass.

.330 Dakota
09-26-2015, 09:45 PM
Yup, end the hunt and more attacks will take place, and people will shoot every bear they see for their own safety sake

digger dogger
09-26-2015, 09:58 PM
Time to completely distance ourselves from the GOABC and guides. Throw them under the bus as they are the "trophy" hunters. Resident hunters are practicing conservation, protecting ungulates, while filling their freezers. Let's not forget that a bear that has no fear of humans might as well be a dead bear. This is what will happen in the years to come when they are not hunted, and surely they will be left to rot..... the entire carcass.

Yup!!!
And yup to .330 dakota.
Grizzlies will be shitting out granola eaters in the not so distant future.

Bear Chaser
09-27-2015, 12:07 AM
End the hunt and there will be no financial incentive for Guide Outfitters to allow grizzlies to survive in their territories. It doesn't take a doctoral degree in wildlife management to imagine what will quietly happen next.
Hmm the grizzly rights activists would be right; grizzly populations and the long term viability of the species will most definitely be threatened.
Allow the hunt to continue and there will be a financial incentive for Guide Outfitters to keep viable grizzly populations in their territories.
Resident hunters who so chose will still be able to LEGALLY hunt them and perhaps we will reach a day when less grizzlies are poached and left to rot due to hunters feeling threatened or ranchers practicing the Shoot, Shovel, and Shut up philosophy of predator control.

houndogger
09-27-2015, 05:24 AM
Once the hunt is ended more bears will die a year. It will just cost the tax payers alot of money to do so.

Stone Sheep Steve
09-27-2015, 08:25 AM
Seems like a pretty straight shooter (pardon the pun :grin:). I think to take some nonsensical stand would only hurt his credibility in he long run. He knows it, the reporter knows it, most people have a pretty good idea that hunt is going the way of the dodo. There is a selfish part of me that thinks that bear control will help ungulate numbers, but realistically the negative press probably offsets the benefits of having bears whacked, especially given that we can save as many elk & moose calves as we want, but if the habitat isn't there the numbers won't be much different that we currently see.

We don't kill near enough grizzlies to 'control' their numbers....but the biggest thing that hunting grizzlies does is make them fearful of people. That's good for both people and grizzlies. Hunters (especially those packing out meat) should focus on this in defending the hunt. If people don't think that hunting affect animal behavior, just look at how animals behave in National Parks vs outside the parks. Most people support other forms off hunting and should be supportive of keeping hunters safe. Grizzly attacks will never stop but they can be reduced.

Squirrelnuts
09-27-2015, 08:43 AM
Mr. Ellis even went as far as to say that people buying guide outfitting operations today should not include grizzly kills in their future profit-and-loss estimates because they likely will not be able to count on that income in the near future.

Don't fret, Mr. Ellis. Some political graft and you can make all that up on the backs of residents. You know how that works, right?

Husky7mm
09-27-2015, 09:10 AM
Make the meat removal a requirement and it will take a lots of clout out of the argument.

Weatherby Fan
09-27-2015, 09:15 AM
Make the meat removal a requirement and it will take a lots of clout out of the argument.

My thoughts exactly Husky, It screams "TROPHY HUNT" when they don't have to remove the meat........I can't believe they have not changed that to date.....:roll:

LBM
09-27-2015, 02:52 PM
We don't kill near enough grizzlies to 'control' their numbers....but the biggest thing that hunting grizzlies does is make them fearful of people. That's good for both people and grizzlies. Hunters (especially those packing out meat) should focus on this in defending the hunt. If people don't think that hunting affect animal behavior, just look at how animals behave in National Parks vs outside the parks. Most people support other forms off hunting and should be supportive of keeping hunters safe. Grizzly attacks will never stop but they can be reduced.
Could you please explain why you feel that the biggest thing that hunting grizzlies does is make them fearful of people.

Pemby_mess
09-27-2015, 03:10 PM
Certainly you must realize animals learn right? Darn fast too. The private ranches around where I live are covered in trophy bucks come the first day of rifle season - no one hunts there and they know it. Grizzlies have at least that capacity - they move into wilder areas when there's some pressure. The national parks are good example for sure.

Brez
09-27-2015, 05:01 PM
I have to agree with Mr. Ellis' statements in this interview. In my opinion, what he said was true.
Also, bears learn behaviors. From what I've read, it takes them 40 years to learn not to attack humans and 10 years to unlearn it. 10 years is up. The human predation on them will instill fear of us, apparently. I am not learned enough to dispute that. I hope the hunt continues and in all areas of the province.

IslandBC
09-27-2015, 05:12 PM
Make the meat removal a requirement and it will take a lots of clout out of the argument.
My thoughts exactly ...

gutpile
09-27-2015, 05:40 PM
When the perssure is so great to close grizzly hunting , thats when we demaned to take the
meat out ! But untill then let us just take the hide .
It's a real pain to take out a green hide plus the meat , especially when your hunting by your self .
Let's just hold off as long as possible on meat recover , then we can call it a meat hunt and they won't shut the
Griz hunt down .