What did you get for LEH?

[Philcott]

After a 4 year dry spell we drew a shared hunt in region 7. Heading north once again.

[kitnayakwa77]

0/3 for me. Not even a Skeena goat. GOS it will be.

[hgoss2003]

Grizzly - Yes
Bull Moose - Yes in 3-13 Finally!!!
Elk - Nill
Goat - Nill
Sheep - Nill

[BCMarc]

Well I finally found my wife's hunter number. She got nothing either. Nada. Zip. 0 for the household.

[sapper]

Nothing. 3 years in a row now.��

[bangbangkhan]

nothing for me and my friend....**** even for a draw with odds of 1.1:1...****

[tayleoscar]

Nil for me

[srupp]

How many got the earlier draw that you know of? I got the oct 15th-31 draw and I'm sort of hoping it will be a little quieter!
All are for sept and , rut hunts oct 1...14..

Send a pm with ph #..
For those with 5.15 hunts be very careful about boundries..some lost moose fines there last year.
I guided there for moose if suggestions are needed.
Cheers
Steven

[Boner]

nothing for me and my friend....**** even for a draw with odds of 1.1:1...****
That was the 2014 odds. If enough like minded people pick these codes the 2015 odds goes up and up.

[NO IDEAS]

I don't know if it is rigggggggs. but no draw again never got a draw since it's creation for elk on V.I. area "10"

[BCMarc]

Am I understanding this correctly? From the Draw Statistics posted


272 authorizations, (54/2633 Goat, 84/2085 Grizzly Bear, 82/4601 Mule Deer and 52/8730 Moose) were not awarded due to being undersubscribed (the total number of authorizations available exceeded the total number of applicants for that hunt).



Does this actually mean that 272 people got screwed because there were more options than applicants? Why would they not simply give all the applicants the draw rather than none? Either I am really confused (which is possible) or that feels like dirty pool.

[BiG Boar]

Am I understanding this correctly? From the Draw Statistics posted

Does this actually mean that 272 people got screwed because there were more options than applicants? Why would they not simply give all the applicants the draw rather than none? Either I am really confused (which is possible) or that feels like dirty pool.

basically these draws are really far away and no one wants them, or they have bad access like boat or plane only. If they award you a moose, and its in 6-22, you might be upset that you have to pay a $2000 plane charter to hunt it, and if you don't hunt it, your priority goes down for 3 years.

[dodge456]

Hey guys first time posting. Doe draw for 3-14 and my second choice bull moose draw for 7-41 which was 0.1:1 odds last year. Looking at the map I see why, next to no access. This morning I was ready to write that one off but now getting kind of intrigued by the area so I will be doing a bit more research. My brother is a pilot so it may be time to talk nice to him haha...anyone been into that general area before? It's off the north east corner of Williston Lake.

[emerson]

7-7 any bull. For the whiners, if you pick the difficult areas,draws aren't that hard to get. This one was just a decent odds hope though.

[Good2bCanadian]

7-8 bull moose. X2

My brother and I both put in for this draw as singles. Sent them in the same envelope and we both got draws.

[Frango]

7-24 shared moose for me and two hunting buds. Got it 3 years ago and we got two nice bulls. Hope we can do it again????

[s0ylentgreen]

me and dad applied for 6 draws each - some areas with fairly good odds according to last year

got a shared bull moose - november in 3-35

totally stoked - our first real LEH draw in 4 years!

[drgame]

Got shared moose hunt(2 tags) and cow elk. All for 7-09

[Barracuda]

normally I put in for good odds in hard to reach places but this year I put in for easy for me to reach places distance wise. Even though I am disappointed with getting nothing I knew full well that the odds were stacked against me odds wise and I think my best odds were like 6 to 1 for my sheep draw this year I still feel having the open lottery such as it is is still the fairest way. I doubt I will have the ability this year for a far north hunt with obligations time constraints etc but I will make the best of probably the best GOS in the world .

[robertmcallan]

i have a funny story my dad drew a grizzly and i am for sure that i never put his name in for that draw and none of the hunt codes i put him in for where even close to the draw he got 3051

[1 shot 1 kill]

After 25years of applying i got a group bull moose draw for october in my favorite spot! Going to be a good season i tend to do well with immies 1 every other year..but this gear im going after that 50inch i saw 3 times last fall and this past wknd in same area.
Good luck everyone..

[MOL]

Me and the wife got cow elk and antlerless mule deer in 7-20. Looking forward to hunting with her and the boy! Skunked on Goat and Bighorn Sheep, but will at least keep the taxi bill down! Congrats to the peeps that got their dream draws, or any draw for that matter!

[HCH]

Bison, woohoo. After 18 years of putting in. FINALLY.........

[BCMarc]

Never mind, I get it now.

[ducktoller]

3-16c goats pumped

[StuBrown]

Got a Spatsizi goat draw that matches my sheep draw.

[mattmckay]

I got the Spatsizi combo hunt and a goat in the east Kootenays. Time to do some research and figure out who I put in with...
moose three years in a row 😄

[lightmag]

finally after 20 plus years of putting in moose draws in various region 7 MU's...... I have my 2nd ever bull draw.. 1st was when I was 17.. my first year ever putting in, haven't had one since. I put in shared with my dad and daughter who is a new hunter this year so 2 bull draws :) MU 7-09 that I know well and I got my goat draw in 6-09k :) should be a great year .

[bubbakeg]

7-20 antlerless elk & 5-3 bull moose! both are group hunts. my buddy got a bison draw...damn I'm going to need to beg for some extra holiday time!

[LupieHunter]

Nothing this year although I was sort of expecting that as I've been drawn for a group moose and 2 late antler less elk in the last 3 years. Only draw in the family this year was my brother with a late season antler less elk.

[srthomas75]

I just found out that one of my friends / hunt partner was drawn for a port renfrew elk. Fairly happy about that.

[1/2 slam]

SFA......again

[srthomas75]

7-20 antlerless elk & 5-3 bull moose! both are group hunts. my buddy got a bison draw...damn I'm going to need to beg for some extra holiday time!

What time slot for this draw? We didn't get picked for here as someone who we go with has the last several years

[Lillypuff]

i got drawn for a 1-10 island elk and a sheep draw in kamloops! too late for me to book holidays needed to have it booked july 1st

[srupp]

i got drawn for a 1-10 island elk and a sheep draw in kamloops! too late for me to book holidays needed to have it booked july 1st

Hmmm easy peasy...kamloops sheep? Quit ..
Srupp

[shekarchi]

Our group got lucky this year. moose in 5-02 for myself, goat in region 3, and 2 mules in region 3. should be a good year

[1899]

Nothing. As usual.

[bubbakeg]

What time slot for this draw? We didn't get picked for here as someone who we go with has the last several years
which are you wondering about? the 5-3 moose is 10-30sep the 7-20 antlerless elk is dec-feb. not sure about my buddy's bison draw think he put in for one of the october dates.

[2forty]

My group of 7got 2 cow and 2 bull moose region 7 shared hunts,and my nephew got a doe in horse fly.

[000buck]

Nuttin never ever been drawn..... Starting to think I spell my name wrong"....

[elch jager]

First time hunting in BC, shared hunt with another first time hunter... applied for a Bull Moose in 5-02a... denied
I thought we were stacking the odds rather well. A half moose is plenty for my family... lets see how many years I get denied before I give up trying. I can't help but wonder if they flagged our entry and are making us wait several years before being considered. One of the goals of leh has to be to discourage hunters and reduce the numbers.

When the draw was first implemented in Northern Onterrible decades ago, we went 10 consecutive years without being drawn before we gave up and quit moose hunting. My family is (was) 4 generations deep in hunting and the lottery system killed that tradition. I never tasted beef until I was 16 years old.

Both my partner and I did get an antlerless mule draw, however that was just thrown in to round out the hunt in case we saw one... Now we need to decide whether to hunt those tags in 5-02a or drive way the hell up north where there still is an open season for moose.

I have never hunted mule (blacktail) if anyone can point me to a good thread(s) or other web resource to learn up on it... would be much appreciated. Maybe even a tip specific to 5-02a...?

[Madcook]

Hi just wondering if you are familiar with 5-02b as I also got a shared moose draw up that way and looking for as much info as possible.
thanks

[Madcook]

I got the same area but in oct was wondering if you have any info you could share on the area.

thanks

[hare_assassin]

I have never hunted mule (blacktail) if anyone can point me to a good thread(s) or other web resource to learn up on it... would be much appreciated. Maybe even a tip specific to 5-02a...?

Go for a drive on some FSRs with cut blocks. Keep eyes open. Shoot mule doe.

It is as easy as going to Safeway, but way more fun.

Seriously.

"...in case we see one...". HAHHAHAAAAA. If you knew how funny that is...

[Madcook]

I also got 2 moose in wondering if you have any info to share about 5-02b

[Sharpish]

Hmmm easy peasy...kamloops sheep? Quit ..
Srupp

I think he's being sarcastic ... the best 1-10 elk combined with kamloops sheep would be around 1/50 000 odds

[elch jager]

lucky... I was going to apply to b but decided on a, as some friends are very familiar with it and we will share the camp at Valentine.

5-02b has some really prime habitat. Moose will need 3 basics - food (cut block browse), water (small lakes and ponds) and shelter (timber and swamp)... find all three close together and there will be game trails between them. I like to get away from the main roads to avoid the cruisers. Google earth is your friend... examine several likely spots and be prepared to move on if others are already set up in a location. I will be heading over to b to scout some areas I have my eye on for the future... in season is a good time to scout as you will figure out who is already hunting where.

[elch jager]

Go for a drive on some FSRs with cut blocks. Keep eyes open. Shoot mule doe.

It is as easy as going to Safeway, but way more fun.

Seriously.

"...in case we see one...". HAHHAHAAAAA. If you knew how funny that is...


Sweet! That is very encouraging... thx!

[Z71]

Well nothing for me in this year's draw...no surprise there. In 15 years of putting in entries I have only been drawn twice, once in the first year then again a couple years back, both for Kamloops doe...oh well, GOS it is and already looking forward to it!...one thing is for sure, I am guaranteed to see a moose since I won't have a tag for it ha!

[lost]

Moose...3-28

[Wagonmaster]

Ten guys over last 5 years of applying for moose, that's approximately 50 chances, 3 tags. I'm beginning to think the enhanced odds deal is BS. Seven of us have not had a tag in 3 years and none successful.:mad: Won't recognize our moose area next time we go.

[biggyun68]

Grizzly Bear region 6

[Lastcar]

I feel like guys should have to post the odds of the various hunt codes they put in for with their complaint of not getting drawn.

Heck, I didn't get mine on what was 1.1:1. Granted who knows how many more people applied this year versus last. Those odds may have changed drastically.

It'd take a long time for me to get upset about not getting anything from 4:1 and up. At least 10 years. And even then, I'd think man does randomness hate me. ;-)

8:1 and an up really 18 years is when you should start to feel slighted.

At 8:1 you should expect to not be drawn 8 times to every 1 time you get drawn. Sure some guys get a better result, and the other get worse. Which is where the average of 8 to every 1 comes in.

Reduced odds doesn't mean no odds. I know guys who have binked multiple year draws on reduced odds.

Sure it stinks. But unless they are truly cooking the books in Victoria it is as fair as it can be.

Not to say I am at peace with the whole process...I don't what the answer is but I feel like a lot of the frustration is from the painful process and delays.

Lack of ability to review the results in more detail. Not see who got what but just get to see the numbers at the same time the results come out.

And maybe those are available and I didn't look hard enough.

And don't think I don't realize few want to hear this garbage right now. It is too soon! Maybe this just my way of coping of going 0 for 7. ;-)

[hunter1959]

wow got the big nothing and get this my to buddy last 3 years have got moose draws in same areas as i have been puting in for wtf this draw system isnt fare also another buddy put in same area as us and hasnt had a draw in 40 years and these other two get a 3 rd year back to back wtf

[neverstuck]

@Lillypuff .... So you drew an island elk and aren't even going to use it??

[mike 458]

We got a group hunt for late season elk in 7-20. Will be staying Tumbler Ridge for a week just after new years. Looking for any help with access to private land.

[Shuswap guy]

SFA. For the third year in a row. My wife drew a moose.

[Boner]

2 draws out of 6 for me.

[KodiakHntr]

8:1 and an up really 18 years is when you should start to feel slighted.

At 8:1 you should expect to not be drawn 8 times to every 1 time you get drawn. Sure some guys get a better result, and the other get worse. Which is where the average of 8 to every 1 comes in.

That's not how that works.....

[Ride Red]

Nothing for me, but my oldest son drew a muley draw and my wife drew a goat. Either way I'm happy cause I'm going hunting.

[Lastcar]

That's not how that works.....

What do I have wrong? Not arguing I am wrong, just curious. Today wouldn't be the first day. :)

[hare_assassin]

What do I have wrong? Not arguing I am wrong, just curious. Today wouldn't be the first day. :)

Each draw is a mathematical singularity. You cannot extrapolate results and odds across multiple draws. Well, you can if you want to, but the math isn't going to follow your lead.

This is a common malfunction in the human brain. Don't feel bad.

[KodiakHntr]

I
8:1 and an up really 18 years is when you should start to feel slighted.

At 8:1 you should expect to not be drawn 8 times to every 1 time you get drawn. Sure some guys get a better result, and the other get worse. Which is where the average of 8 to every 1 comes in.



For every year, it starts fresh. Using your example, for every 1 hunter that gets a draw, 8 hunters did NOT get a draw. And that is based on the number from the year previous, not the current year.

[hare_assassin]

Lastcar, another way to explain it:

Each draw is unique and random, therefore what you end up with over time (and multiple draws) is random results which reflect the absolute best and worst case scenarios, and everything else in between.

Some people will never win, even after several decades.

Other people will win way more than they "should".

Some people will win once in a while, sometimes multiple years in a row, other times multiple years of not winning, etc. etc.

Other people will win for their first few years, and then never get another one. Others will wait for decades and then get a whole whack of them year after year.

Every combination is possible, and therefore you will hear examples of all of the above and more.

In other words, it is pure LUCK. There is no sense in trying to imagine better odds due to having applied so many times. It is mathematically irrelevant.

[Lastcar]

For every year, it starts fresh. Using your example, for every 1 hunter that gets a draw, 8 hunters did NOT get a draw. And that is based on the number from the year previous, not the current year.

Right, I get that. In fact posted exactly that in another thread. No where near as well as hare_assasin did mind you. That should be made sticky at the top of LEH thread.

I was merely dummying it down. Maybe too far.

Mostly to counter the abundance of people going on about it being unfair about someone getting 3 draws and someone else getting none.

I did leave out the fact that odds will never remain consistent. Again, figured I wouldn't complicate the topic. I did reference that in my other post that I didn't get my goat tag, which was listed at 1.1:1 acknowledging that I have no idea how many more people put in for it. And that it'd be great to see those numbers sooner than next years synopsis.

I guess my point was just because you didn't get drawn one year doesn't mean your odds are any better the following years.

So get over it people. What happened last year, the 5, 10 or 40 years before have nothing to do with what you got this year.

It is fair. At least as far as the fact we all participate in the same system.

Just be happy for those that got a draw and enjoy the s%$t out of the best GOS options around.

[dkdivot28]

Big Fat Zero. Need to the statistics on this one. Very Strange results so far.

[smilasin]

got nothing, just fresh air, which is something

[358mag]

SFA again ................:twisted:

[medic11]

There seems to be a recurring pattern when it comes to the draws i've read about. Seems to me that a lot of people have gotten awarded with multiple draws. Two, three, sometimes fours draws. There is no such thing as a random generator for a computer. If the computer 'sees' a number is has seen before, as in a successful draw, the odds are good that it will 'award' that number with another 'win'.

[204rug.ftw]

Thompson antlerless mule deer for me no moose. gonna fill freezer plumb full with deer then, goodluck everyone in there hunting excursions this coming fall. cannot wait

[Mik]

i drew a Grizz up north :)
3 kids drew nothing :(

[nature girl]

I got nothing. But that is okay because I am still going hunting anyways. 4 weeks booked off for this fall. Cant be any better then that.

[leannejason]

Antlerless mulie in 3-15 (November )

[B.C.Boy(100%)]

Zone J Yohetta Goat
Let the adventure continue

[Shikari300WSM]

Absolute crap. SFA. Oh well, always next year

[Postnikoff95]

Valhalla Park (4-16 B) Mountain Goat Tag :smile:

[boxhitch]

Valhalla Park (4-16 B)Good hiking trails and maps available for that one

7-20 winter elk for me

[transplantednewf]

well fawk, after 20 years I get a bull moose in 8-14. Better enjoy it, might be using a cane next time I get a leh in BC. Pumped though.

[curt]

shared hunt for moose and ARCHERY ROSIE ON Vancouver Island BOOOOOOOOOOOO YAAAAAAAAA!!!!

[Rob]

3-33 Goat for me Carpenter lake- Truax area, going to do open season sheep/goat and Sept up North, so thinking ill do goat draw after. Now I don't have to drag a Stone and a Billy off the mountain in one go! (kidding)

[Jayburn]

Winter elk 7-20.

[luckofthedraw]

Finally I get to be one of the happy guys. Shared Moose 3-40 in the rut.

[guest]

Not so lucky heading into that area .... Imo with all the BS that goes on with locals

[Liveforthehunt]

In the rut ? A September draw ?

[luckofthedraw]

Not so lucky heading into that area .... Imo with all the BS that goes on with locals

I've hunted here before and haven't experienced any issues. Am I missing something?


In the rut ? A September draw ?

Southern interior moose rut in early October in my experiences.

[Hardy]

A shared Bull Moose Draw. Hurray!!!!!!!

[.330 Dakota]

Zone J Yohetta Goat
Let the adventure continue

Ive been in there a couple of times,,beautiful spot, nice campsite right on the river. We drove back to Beace Creek and walked up the horse trail into the alpine and glassed from there. You can glass from the river campsite as well. Watch out for the old griz in the valley towards Marion Lake. Good luck with access, as well aas I hear the local FN are blocking the roads around there.

[.330 Dakota]

Hmmm easy peasy...kamloops sheep? Quit ..
Srupp

Easy Peasy---.257? shootem from the road...lol then off to Costco to finish the grub shoppin?

[B.C.Boy(100%)]

Ive been in there a couple of times,,beautiful spot, nice campsite right on the river. We drove back to Beace Creek and walked up the horse trail into the alpine and glassed from there. You can glass from the river campsite as well. Watch out for the old griz in the valley towards Marion Lake. Good luck with access, as well aas I hear the local FN are blocking the roads around there.

That wouldn't be to cool if the FN are blocking road, but I'll still give it a try.
I remember your PM's from last year, thanks again for the info last year.

I was up by Marion Lake last year, camped out by the overgrown airstrip on the river, and on the beach by the lake.
The road in was fun, I did not have two vehicle to head in with so I braved it with one and managed fine, just took it slow and easy and it paid off.
Glad to be headed back in there this year, it helps knowing what's involved after being there.
Thanks again

[hunteryad]

got Griz and bull moose 7a region

[butcher]

I've hunted here before and haven't experienced any issues. Am I missing something?



Southern interior moose rut in early October in my experiences.

you aren't missing anything and you won't have any trouble with the locals. Moose numbers are low in that MU though and it's probably gonna be hot still in early October.

[bigben]

Paid my 6.49 on three tags to the tax revenue service again next year lol congrate to all the limited entry successors good luck

[BDN9]

Sechelt Roosevelt elk bow only zone

[quincy]

I got a west kootenay cow/calf elk draw for November, I'll be eating this year.

[doughan]

Well after eight long years I got a cow moose draw!

[floden]

I got a cow elk draw on the island in region 1-9, for December. Pretty happy to get a draw but I've never been over there. I'll go with my dad and it'll be fun no matter what. Any does and don't s appreciated. I'm sure some of you will tell me to go "left after never-mind bridge and the up into Zippermouth Creek"��:wink:

[Grumpa Joe]

Mountain Goat 3-16A. This should be interesting.

[bangbangkhan]

Mountain Goat 3-16A. This should be interesting.

its an amazing area...good luck!

[colemanwsm]

Grizzly bear 7-45 , iether sex elk 7-20a

[HOYT15]

Shared moose draw; super excited and can't wait for September.

[MikeHawk]

Late season bull moose in 5-15c. Nov 1-15. First year applying.

[Grumpa Joe]

its an amazing area...good luck!

Thanks. Any experience or suggestions?

[nelsonob1]

billy in 4:19

[250 sav]

The joy of contributing to the provinces general revinue account

[seatoskymiles]

oct pemby doe

[Sakofox]

moose bull draw 5-04!!! As I cooked my last pack of moose burger last night....:roll:

[parkjt]

7-03 2 bull moose group hunt, 5-02 antlerless mulie.

[FortBoy]

nil for me, will be tagging along with the old man in 5-01 for a bullwinkle nov 1

[jeremy84]

Bull moose 7-12b:smile:

[Warcry]

M u 8-9 nov to nov 30 group moose!!!!!!

[Quince]

I managed to get reciepts for the leh's i bought. Maybe next year.

[Trigger Happy]

denied for moose elk grizz and bison guess the $50 in the envelope didn't work :)

[randymac]

well we got our 2 bulls
first one was a 2 x 2, would have been a legal immature bull if they had an immy opening in region 5
second bull was a 3 x 3. also an immy by age but not by horn definition. Only other moose spotted was a cow and calf.
should be some good eating.

2 bull moose in region 5 with me, my son and my grandsons name on them. Last moose draw was 2010 but after 3 years of searching we got the unicorn last year.

[Frango]

I have often heard about a moose shortage..I can tell you the 7?? zone that the 3 of us had a LEH in as no shortage of moose. We got our 2 bulls and saw 23 cows ,14 with calves and 3 with 2 calves all in only 1 week..We also saw lots of wolf sign and heard them all night. There were not many hunters but 12 bulls taken in a 10 day period 6 by our camp tells me at least in this zone they are doing well despite the wolf numbers..Go figure. It was a very happy hunt camp this year.

[Riverwalker]

Wow, I am sure late on this thread. I drew a December cow elk tag near Sayward. I can't wait!