BC Wolf Cull on CBC National Tomorrow Feb 11...

[Ohwildwon]

BC Wolf Cull on CBC National Tomorrow Feb 11...
Program your PVR if you have one...

[mikeboehm]

What time is it on

[decker9]

I'm also curious if anyone knows what time it will air? Im all for lowering the wolf population, but 100% against the way they are doing it. Wolves are my second favourite critter to chase, if there was a bit of a bounty on them, a guy could afford to do it more. I'm curious on how much $$ it will cost to do it all by chopper? Has anyone herd any insight to the cost?

[hunter1947]

Critics say culls are ineffective and cruelChris Brown CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/cbc-news-online-news-staff-list-1.1294364)Posted:Feb 11, 2015 6:23 AM PTLast Updated:Feb 11, 2015 7:23 AM PTRelatedRelated StoriesWolf cull supported by conservation group Wildsight (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/wolf-cull-supported-by-conservation-group-wildsight-1.2931680) Alberta wolf cull stabilizes caribou numbers, but just buys time: study (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-wolf-cull-stabilizes-caribou-numbers-but-just-buys-time-study-1.2846325) Can Wolf Cull Save Alberta Caribou? (http://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/quirks-quarks-for-nov-29-2014-1.2858880/can-wolf-cull-save-alberta-caribou-1.2858924) End wolf bounty, conservationists ask Alberta government (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/end-wolf-bounty-conservationists-ask-alberta-government-1.2533060) Canadian grey wolves thriving too much for some in U.S. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/canadian-grey-wolves-thriving-too-much-for-some-in-u-s-1.2503815)


The point man for British Columbia's effort to save endangered mountain caribou says a controversial wolf cull will likely be necessary for the next five years.
Assistant deputy minister Tom Ethier told CBC News the 180 wolves being shot from helicopter in the South Peace and South Selkirk regions this winter are just the beginning.
"We've been pretty clear this is a five-year project," Ethier said. "We're going to be doing this for the next five years. At the end of those five years, we're going to do that analysis as to whether this effort was worth it."


Wolf cull supported by conservation group (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/wolf-cull-supported-by-conservation-group-wildsight-1.2931680)
Alberta wolf cull stabilizes caribou numbers, but just buys time: study (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-wolf-cull-stabilizes-caribou-numbers-but-just-buys-time-study-1.2846325)

Ethier says the exact number of wolves killed in subsequent winters will depend on how quickly they repopulate the areas they're removed from.
"The purpose and the hope is that we are able to remove nearly all the wolves in these areas where we are trying to recover caribou," Ethier said.
Caribou under threatIn B.C.'s northern Rocky Mountains, four of seven mountain caribou herds are on the verge of being wiped out, with just 70 animals among them.
The southernmost herd in the Selkirk region has fallen to 18 from 46 animals five years ago.

'Killing one species to save another flies in the face of conservation.'- Tommy Knowles, Wildlife Defence LeagueWhile habitat destruction and human encroachment are the primary causes of the caribou's demise, authorities say predation by wolves is thwarting recovery efforts.
In the South Peace area last spring, 10 pregnant caribou from the Moberly herd were captured and put in a specially constructed pen to keep them safe while their calves were born. But when the animals were released in July, the wolves were waiting, killing one adult caribou and three of the calves.
The B.C. government says as part of its caribou recovery plan, roughly 90 per cent of the herds' high-alpine habitat will now be protected from industrial development. "All economic activity will be done with a mind to caribou. We're focused on having a light footprint in that area," Ethier said.
Thousands protest cullCritics have vigorously condemned the wolf killings, saying the evidence suggests such culls are ineffective and cruel. So far, more than 158,000 people have signed an online petition by the group Pacific Wild opposing the cull.
A group calling itself Wildlife Defence League has been trying to track progress of the shootings, sending a team of "observers" to the Mackenzie and Chetwynd areas, near the site of the threatened herds.
"It's a scientifically flawed policy," spokesman Tommy Knowles told CBC News. "Killing one species to save another flies in the face of conservation and fails to acknowledge the true reason behind the declining caribou."
The Alberta government conducted a similar cull of wolves starting in 2006 that resulted in almost 1,000 animals being killed.
Opponents claim caribou numbers there showed no sign of improvement afterward.
Necessary evilThe B.C. government won't say how many wolves have been killed so far, but Knowles's group says it knows of at least one wolf pack in the South Selkirk that has already been wiped out.
Members of the West Moberly First Nation near Chetwynd have also been helping on the ground by trapping wolves.
Band members say the government's airborne marksmen are passing on locations of the wolves shot from the air so their skins can be recovered and sold.
"It's a necessary evil," Chief Roland Wilson told CBC News. "A typical pack would run between six to 10 wolves. We've had reports of 35 [wolves] up there. And they have to eat."
Watch Chris Brown's documentary on the BC Wolf Cull on the The National Wednesday.


RelatedWolf cull supported by conservation group Wildsight (http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/canada/british-columbia/story/1.2931680) Alberta wolf cull stabilizes caribou numbers, but just buys time: study (http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/canada/edmonton/story/1.2846325) End wolf bounty, conservationists ask Alberta government (http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/canada/calgary/story/1.2533060) Canadian grey wolves thriving too much for some in U.S. (http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/canada/british-columbia/story/1.2503815)



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[Husky7mm]

I'm also curious if anyone knows what time it will air? Im all for lowering the wolf population, but 100% against the way they are doing it. Wolves are my second favourite critter to chase, if there was a bit of a bounty on them, a guy could afford to do it more. I'm curious on how much $$ it will cost to do it all by chopper? Has anyone herd any insight to the cost?
A bounty would make very little difference on hunter success, wolves are very elusive, and cover a ton of counrty. As hunters we should all be on the same page. This cull is an opportunity to have real predator management perhaps even on going. Wolf management has been missing for sometime now and its has taken its toll on not just the caribou population. Industry has created far too much access and tipped the hunting in favour of the wolves. They're thriving and their numbers need to be managed. As hunters we should be supporting the cull.

[coach]

Well said, Husky!

[bearvalley]

A bounty would make very little difference on hunter success, wolves are very elusive, and cover a ton of counrty. As hunters we should all be on the same page. This cull is an opportunity to have real predator management perhaps even on going. Wolf management has been missing for sometime now and its has taken its toll on not just the caribou population. Industry has created far too much access and tipped the hunting in favour of the wolves. They're thriving and their numbers need to be managed. As hunters we should be supporting the cull.
X2 on this.
The hunting, trapping and snaring of wolves to reduce numbers has been nothing but a band aid fix at best. Very few trappers are "wolf pack specific" with the ability to remove enough of the population to do any good. The majority of them manage to catch one or 2 a season, trap shying and fragmenting packs. The end result is a bigger problem.
All hunters should be supporting Thomson on making the decision to go forward with the cull.

[finngun]

way to go...helicopter hunting is better than poisoning wolves..is poisoning still allowed?many years ago it happened in port-alberni..

[timbermilton]

Anyone know what time it is on tonight?

[boxhitch]

CBC News ch. 800 @ 6
CBC Vancouver ch. 100 @ 10

[Cordillera]

It was a surprisingly balanced coverage. A full ten minutes on the national!

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Here's the video

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV%20Shows/The%20National/ID/2653349257/ (http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV%20Shows/The%20National/ID/2653349257/)

[44inchStone]

They should be just doing these culls anyways without letting the cat out of the bag. It's only when someone spills the beans and then fans out from there. Eventually it ends up in the hands of those who feel that it's cruel and do everything in their power to stop it.

[bearvalley]

Maybe while the March rally is happening in Victoria 1/2 the "group of protesters"can pack posters stating "WE SUPPORT THE WOLF CULL".

reason for edit: use of milder terminology

[coach]

Nice choice of words, Bearvalley:

Mob - a large crowd of people, especially one that is disorderly and intent on causing trouble or violence.
"a mob of protesters"

[guest]

Maybe while the March rally is happening in Victoria 1/2 the mob can pack posters stating "WE SUPPORT THE WOLF CULL".

Why don't you grow a pair and join us ......... got a feeling in a few years your name will change to "Nobearinmyvalley" no Moose, no elk , nothing.

[Dougielightning]

http://huntingbc.ca/forum/images/shades_of_green/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by bearvalley http://huntingbc.ca/forum/images/shades_of_green/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=1603921#post1603921)
Maybe while the March rally is happening in Victoria 1/2 the mob can pack posters stating "WE SUPPORT THE WOLF CULL!

what a rediculous waste of your time bearvalley, to me and to everyone else who has to read your unproductive dribble.

[steel_ram]

Maybe while the March rally is happening in Victoria 1/2 the mob can pack posters stating "WE SUPPORT THE WOLF CULL".

It would be better to stay focused on the allocations issue.

[bearvalley]

It would be better to stay focused on the allocations issue.

Isnt this thread about the wolf cull?

[rides bike to work]

I watched it.
I got a kick out of the couple with the pet wolves see how calm and friendly these creatures are trying to draw connections between their pet and wild wolves.
The argument that killing one animal to save another is weak at best. Human development and other human made factors make populations expode then we are forced to manage them. It's just bad we are not very good at it yet.
Zebra mussels in Great Lakes
kane toads in Australia
Pike minow in cultus lake

[steel_ram]

Isnt this thread about the wolf cull?

Yes, but the rally is not. I'm sure any pro-guide allocation advocate would love the message of the rally to be diluted.

[Ohwildwon]

I watched it.
I got a kick out of the couple with the pet wolves see how calm and friendly these creatures are trying to draw connections between their pet and wild wolves.
The argument that killing one animal to save another is weak at best. Human development and other human made factors make populations expode then we are forced to manage them. It's just bad we are not very good at it yet.
Zebra mussels in Great Lakes
kane toads in Australia
Pike minow in cultus lake

Fatal Attraction. And one of those Wolf Pet Owners may end up on a front page killed by one. http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/fatal-attractions/videos/wolf-dogs-kill-owner/ Its in a Wolf's DNA to become leader of the pack. Funny how bleeding heart, Wolf lovers, state how no one has been killed by one.

Its rare in the wild, we know. 15 people were killed by Wolf dogs in the States between 1989 - 1996 alone...

[bearvalley]

OK, let's stay strictly wolf cull. We should organize a rally in support of it on a separate date. Any takers?

[coach]

OK, let's stay strictly wolf cull. We should organize a rally in support of it on a separate date. Any takers?

Ok.. You build it and I'm sure people will come.

[ratherbefishin]

I absolutely agree that when a species needs to be managed,it should be a decision based on the best science we have ,with no emotions or special interest groups involved.Whats the point in gathering data and then deferring to some special interest group,pro or con anything?

[bearvalley]

Ok.. You build it and I'm sure people will come.

Coach, i thought maybe you would step to the front as I'm camera shy and a piss poor public speaker. Along with that if I was at the helm the general public would have the take that it's just a greedy damn outfitter out there trying to make more moose for his personal gain. Won't work for me to build it but for you the sky is the limit as to participation.
Just think of the gain in wildlife numbers if you can grow the wolf cull.
You just gotta remember that for every supporter you're gonna have a couple of hundred pissed of friends.

[LBM]

They should be just doing these culls anyways without letting the cat out of the bag. It's only when someone spills the beans and then fans out from there. Eventually it ends up in the hands of those who feel that it's cruel and do everything in their power to stop it.

So you prefer things done in secret like the GOABC allegedly did with there back room deals have things done so others don't no so they cant have a say in it. Interesting.

[fowl language]

perhaps we should all take a deep breath and relax a bit. bear valley has some merit to what he says. just because his occupation is opposed to what the resident hunters idea is, does not mean we can not be at least civil and this is of common interest to eliminate wolves. bear valley, perhaps you could start out by pointing out the best ways to hunt wolves for the newbies as I am sure there are a few that do not know where to start but would like to give it a try..it is common knowledge that the goabc and the residents are fighting over the same thing so we should put that aside for a bit and see if we can help each other on getting rid of a few wolves......dale

[Fisher-Dude]

OK, let's stay strictly wolf cull. We should organize a rally in support of it on a separate date. Any takers?


Let us know when you have everything arranged and we'll let people in our club know when it is.

Don't forget to contact the RCMP, take out permits, raise money for advertising, get signs printed up, draft legal petitions, arrange transportation and lodging, arrange meeting rooms, organize speakers, draft speaking notes, notify media, etc.

You're gonna be a busy boy.

[bearvalley]

Thanks Dale, the wolf control issue is a complex mess at best. As I've said before trapping and hunting to reduce wolf populations to a manageable level is merely a band aid fix in localized areas. A few guys are good at killing wolves and results are seen from it. The majority of the province doesn't see enough wolves removed to make a dent in the population. Unless complete packs are being removed the "helpfull hunters and trappers" are only making very wise, hard to trap (or snare) wolves...along with breaking up packs. End result, more wolves, bigger problem.
The best thing we can do right now is let the BC Liberals know that as hunters we 100% support their management call to reduce wolves and would be behind any future plans to do likewise.
If someone's serious about some pointers they can pm me, I won't discuss with all the critics and experts.

[coach]

Thanks Dale, the wolf control issue is a complex mess at best. As I've said before trapping and hunting to reduce wolf populations to a manageable level is merely a band aid fix in localized areas. A few guys are good at killing wolves and results are seen from it. The majority of the province doesn't see enough wolves removed to make a dent in the population. Unless complete packs are being removed the "helpfull hunters and trappers" are only making very wise, hard to trap (or snare) wolves...along with breaking up packs. End result, more wolves, bigger problem.
The best thing we can do right now is let the BC Liberals know that as hunters we 100% support their management call to reduce wolves and would be behind any future plans to do likewise.
If someone's serious about some pointers they can pm me, I won't discuss with all the critics and experts.

Constructive post, BV. Thanks for that.

[bearvalley]

Let us know when you have everything arranged and we'll let people in our club know when it is.

Don't forget to contact the RCMP, take out permits, raise money for advertising, get signs printed up, draft legal petitions, arrange transportation and lodging, arrange meeting rooms, organize speakers, draft speaking notes, notify media, etc.

You're gonna be a busy boy.
Sorry that your reading and comprehension skills suck. I passed it over to coach, as I said I'm camera shy and a poor public speaker. Or maybe your the man for the job?
When the smoke all clears and team players start to get together to make more wildlife, my bet is you're gonna disappear like a fart on a windy day.

[LBM]

Thanks Dale, the wolf control issue is a complex mess at best. As I've said before trapping and hunting to reduce wolf populations to a manageable level is merely a band aid fix in localized areas. A few guys are good at killing wolves and results are seen from it. The majority of the province doesn't see enough wolves removed to make a dent in the population. Unless complete packs are being removed the "helpfull hunters and trappers" are only making very wise, hard to trap (or snare) wolves...along with breaking up packs. End result, more wolves, bigger problem.
The best thing we can do right now is let the BC Liberals know that as hunters we 100% support their management call to reduce wolves and would be behind any future plans to do likewise.
If someone's serious about some pointers they can pm me, I won't discuss with all the critics and experts.

Agree with most of what you say here. One thing that may help if not all ready done is if specific packs are known trappers could live trap one and fit it with a collar so when it returns to the pack they could be monitored and when they are in a good area for being shot from the air it can be done instead of flying all over in hopes of finding them.

[bearvalley]

Marker wolves have been used. Hopefully the marksman doesn't get twitchy and shoot the collared one first.

[houndogger]

perhaps we should all take a deep breath and relax a bit. bear valley has some merit to what he says. just because his occupation is opposed to what the resident hunters idea is, does not mean we can not be at least civil and this is of common interest to eliminate wolves. bear valley, perhaps you could start out by pointing out the best ways to hunt wolves for the newbies as I am sure there are a few that do not know where to start but would like to give it a try..it is common knowledge that the goabc and the residents are fighting over the same thing so we should put that aside for a bit and see if we can help each other on getting rid of a few wolves......dale

Great post!
Hope they will be expanding the area cull year to help with the fill in rates.
Good hunting coming soon fellas.

[Cordillera]

They should be just doing these culls anyways without letting the cat out of the bag. It's only when someone spills the beans and then fans out from there. Eventually it ends up in the hands of those who feel that it's cruel and do everything in their power to stop it.

Then it becomes a "cover up" and anyone who is on the fence will conclude the government is hiding it because it's bad. That would backfire because you can't hide something like this.

[Cordillera]

OK, let's stay strictly wolf cull. We should organize a rally in support of it on a separate date. Any takers?

Some of the First Nations in BC will support and maybe participate; that would make some good coverage.

[Cordillera]

Great post!
Hope they will be expanding the area cull year to help with the fill in rates.
Good hunting coming soon fellas.
If they manage to remove the target packs in the the survival of moose and elk in those areas should improve a lot. Two years out these will be interesting places to head. I think the only difference this year will be more calves.

[Cordillera]

Marker wolves have been used. Hopefully the marksman doesn't get twitchy and shoot the collared one first.
Agreed. I think want to they leave the collared wolf till later in the season and then come back to be sure it hasn't joined up with other remnants of the pack. Then they take it too.

[LBM]

Marker wolves have been used. Hopefully the marksman doesn't get twitchy and shoot the collared one first.

That's why I hope they use it to there advantage to wait till there in areas to get them all other wise they will just be doing what you already mentioned, making smarter wolves and breaking up the pack thus potentially causing a bigger problem.

[bearvalley]

Then it becomes a "cover up" and anyone who is on the fence will conclude the government is hiding it because it's bad. That would backfire because you can't hide something like this.

I totally agree. Keep it public and show support, jurisdictions surrounding BC control wolves when needed. It's about time they lost their un-touchable sacred status here.

[coach]

I totally agree. Keep it public and show support, jurisdictions surrounding BC control wolves when needed. It's about time they lost their un-touchable sacred status here.

Is there a chance you could stop posting for.the night? I hate having to keep agreeing with you.. :razz:

[bearvalley]

:)
Is there a chance you could stop posting for.the night? I hate having to keep agreeing with you.. :razz:
Lol. The first time I wasn't sure that it wasn't sarcasm.:)

[okas]

in 2014 i got a few and no money for the bounty as / oh well // you have to cull in ranch land and own the land // really this is a great place to live and i shoot them anyway but soon hunting will be like logging and mining just a big company telling the paid off government how it should be done .
i have been in a lot of gov. jobs 9out of 10 would sell there first born for a free lunch . Like the fish farming / well i say you can not change the world as most could not find there bung hole unless paper was hanging out : i am sorry but this is it as far as the population goes. I never had a real job as putting up with stupid have 5 trades and called my own game and went hunting and fishing when i wanted and never worked a full year as living got in the way . YOU HAAA
to old to change the world just suck it up and have fun

[Down South]

Some good posts here, I go away having learned something, Thanks

[Red_Mist]

Maybe a biologist can chime in but it iam not entirely convinced that habitat encroachment due to logging or mining has somehow created a huge surge in wolf populations as is being claimed by those trying to stop the cull. Using a place like Yellowstone as an example , 70% of elk calf mortality is from wolves and grizz. I don't think there is any mining or logging in the park. Apex predators are simply very efficient at what they do and must be managed.

[Husky7mm]

When you work in the bush everyday its as plain as the nose on your face. The wolves are running the roads and trails. It take them no time and very little energy at all to cover lots of country. They hit every pocket of game as they roll around, and they do it again and again and again. This is very bad when snow is deep. It should be a stuggle for them to get around as if you spend time walking in deep snow you will be exhausted and your effeciancy will be down. But with plowed roads , cleared lines, and packed trails its a cake walk for them and they are thriving because of it. Ungulates live in many different types of habitat and is all connected thanks to industry and recreation. Will all these things be halted and the habitat reverted back? Not likely so wolf and cougars need to have their numbers managed. Caribou are just the begining of this large problem.
I am sure the yellowstone problem is because the park was full of game and wolves were introduced and they are protected so the have, had it very easy and their poputaion sky rocketed.
Man has created an "unnatural" environment. The hunting for wolves is very easy and they are over populating because of it.