Northern grizz leh down 50%

[sheep.elk.moose fanatic]

Just looked at the numbers on the bc gov website ! was there that many bears taken or sows shot for this much decline in authorizations ? Or is this the start of are tags going to goabc?

[Wild one]

going with option 2

[guest]

PRIVATIZED by the LIBERALS ............ 40 % of ALL G BEAR ....... Hunted for Heads and Hides by Non Residents ..... way to go Government ! Expect it through all our BC Wildlife ....... Greed driven !

this is just the start folks. Get used to it if the Government continues its path ! It's a prime example of YOUR LOST OPPORTUNITIES

CT

[sheep.elk.moose fanatic]

I believe last year there were around 103 tags for spring grizz in 7-51 now 47 ?? Wtf I don't think the harvest was that high last year?

[boxhitch]

Ask Addison and report back

[Wild one]

Areas I normally would apply for are down as well some not as bad as others

[325]

My experiences in northern BC indicate a very robust grizzly population. I would like to know if GO tags have been reduced by the same percentage...I would suspect they haven't.

[Wild one]

It's not just northern BC

[325]

Anybody have a link to the updated info??

[sheep.elk.moose fanatic]

Ask Addison and report back
Just asked Chris Addison on facebook see what happens

[Wild one]

Anybody have a link to the updated info??

Sorry not computer savvy but if you google bc spring grizzly leh numbers 2015 you will find it

[325]

Sorry not computer savvy but if you google bc spring grizzly leh numbers 2015 you will find it

I found it, thanks!

[180grainer]

My experiences in northern BC indicate a very robust grizzly population. I would like to know if GO tags have been reduced by the same percentage...I would suspect they haven't.
That's a good question to ask. Are guides shouldering the decline as well?

[Caribou_lou]

Another great question is "Why does it take these bureaucrats so long to get these numbers up?!" Deadline is past

[Whonnock Boy]

Expect all sorts of nice little surprises in the next couple years. The GOABC tried intimidation tactics, now the government is showing what they can do when we don't heal like good little minions.

[j270wsm]

Another great question is "Why does it take these bureaucrats so long to get these numbers up?!" Deadline is past

Would you want to put them up early and deal with the pissed off hunters....or do it after the dead line and not worry about the possibility of having to change things.

[bassplayer]

Anybody have a link to the updated info??
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/resident/leh.html#Springdraws

[44inchStone]

Guides have a tough time filling alot of their Griz quotas now.
Our quotas for Griz are now down. It's the start of the inevidable. Govt crap

[coach]

But.. Christy and Steve said the allocation policy only amounted to 60 animals province wide. .

[Whonnock Boy]

Where's the "Like" button???!!!!


But.. Christy and Steve said the allocation policy only amounted to 60 animals province wide. .

[Trekker]

I believe last year there were around 103 tags for spring grizz in 7-51 now 47 ?? Wtf I don't think the harvest was that high last year?

I don't see a 50% decline, looks like most areas are down but quite a few have gone up. 7-51 last year was 63 down to 43 this year.

[sheep.elk.moose fanatic]

I don't see a 50% decline, looks like most areas are down but quite a few have gone up. 7-51 last year was 63 down to 43 this year.
Sorry I was looking at the fall quota but if you look back 2 or 3 years for spring numbers were a lot higher numbers I understand it onley takes a few sows shot to reduce numbers but this is the extreame? I think the average harvest is 10-15 bears per year ?

[bassplayer]

Are they even allowed to do this before the new allocation policy is even been put into legislation? Then again. It is the government.

[Trekker]

yah curious what chris addison has to say.

[Saskhunter]

by my math, 2014 spring griz tags 1821, 2015 spring griz tags 1703 , that's 118 less tags over all. I see that some areas increased. 7-44 for example had 1 allocation last year, 4 this year.

[one-shot-wonder]

Whats the ROA column, that is new??

knowing Christy it is probably "Return on Assets"!!

[tuner]

Thompsons justification for such a high allocation percentage going to the guides was essentially,residents are shitty grizzly bear hunters while guides tend to be good at killing them.Seems resonable to me.Having put in for grizz every year,for many years, and never being drawn, is fustrating to say the least.

[Tuffcity]

ROA: Range of Authorizations.


By policy, the minimum success rate factored into the LEH permit calculations is 5%. That is, if successrates are lower, (e.g. 2%), the same number of permits are issued as if the success rate was 5%. This
precaution further limits the number of LEH authorizations available in a season, decreasing the chances
of a higher than average success rate resulting in excessive harvest. Additionally, there is a legislated
Range of Authorizations (RoA) for each specific hunted zone in the province; 97% of the hunted zones in
the province have a RoA of 1-50 per season, the remaining 3% are between 1-50 and 1-100. This
additional restriction on the number of LEH authorizations serves two purposes: to reduce crowding and
reduce the risk of excessive over-harvest due to extremely high numbers of authorizations.
Example: Say the target harvest of a LEH zone is 5 Grizzly Bears in a season, the average success rate
over the preceding 5 years is 2%, and the maximum number of authorizations is 50. Based on the actual
success rate, 250 authorizations could be sustainably issued for this zone (5/2%). However, the minimum
success rate of 5% is used, which would result in 100 authorizations (5/5%). As this number is outside the
legislated RoA for this zone, the actual number of authorizations available in this scenario would be
further reduced to 50. Based on the actual success rate of 2%, the actual harvest should be 1 Grizzly Bear.

Based on the number of tags available and the odds of being drawn is similar over the past few years (less than 1:1) I suspect I will get another grizzly LEH. That will be 4 in the past 4 years... now killing one... maybe this year. :)

RC

[GoatGuy]

This is setup to suppress the resident hunter grizzly harvest.

The government does not want resident hunters harvesting their 60% of the allocation because that would result in a much higher grizz harvest across the province. Now that outfitters have 40% of the grizz we can expect their harvest to go up over the next couple of years.

In regions 6, 7a, 7b resident hunters will probably harvest half of their grizz allocation.

Outfitters are allowed to shoot 30% of their 5 year allocation in any one year, and now with the order in council, they can shoot more than that but we can't have residents shooting more than their annual allocation.

Welcome to the world of politics.

[btridge]

But.. Christy and Steve said the allocation policy only amounted to 60 animals province wide. .

Bull shit! they base the 60 animals on a 10% resident success rate on the 600 hunts they took from residents and gave to guides....so it is 600 leh hunts they just gave the outfitters!

[Maxx]

This is setup to suppress the resident hunter grizzly harvest.

The government does not want resident hunters harvesting their 60% of the allocation because that would result in a much higher grizz harvest across the province. Now that outfitters have 40% of the grizz we can expect their harvest to go up over the next couple of years.

In regions 6, 7a, 7b resident hunters will probably harvest half of their grizz allocation.

Outfitters are allowed to shoot 30% of their 5 year allocation in any one year, and now with the order in council, they can shoot more than that but we can't have residents shooting more than their annual allocation.

Welcome to the world of politics.

when the hell are you gonna get busy to stop the government from doing this bullshit. I'm waiting for you to solve these problems :)

[coach]

Bull shit! they base the 60 animals on a 10% resident success rate on the 600 hunts they took from residents and gave to guides....so it is 600 leh hunts they just gave the outfitters!

Fired up much?

[btridge]

Fired up much?

You could say that, I am trying to keep it in check, but the failure of the government to give all the numbers around the allocations in a timely manner is starting to get me a little upset.

[coach]

You could say that, I am trying to keep it in check, but the failure of the government to give all the numbers around the allocations in a timely manner is starting to get me a little upset.

Yup! It's got a lot of us fired up. See you in Victoria on March 2nd!

[okas]

NOW i am sure they are doing the best they can :?

[BearSupreme]

I thought the guides have gotten 40% of grizz draws for a while now

[1899]

I don't see a 50% decline, looks like most areas are down but quite a few have gone up. 7-51 last year was 63 down to 43 this year.

Phew, I was worried there. That is only a 32% decrease in tags.