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GoatGuy
02-07-2015, 04:18 PM
With the recent decision on wildlife allocations we, as hunters and anglers are learning a few things.

1) Money talks. GOABC has been busy giving $$ to the liberal party and it has paid huge dividends for them. They have been able to manipulate elected officials to increase their share of wildlife over not only the last couple months, but that last few years.

2) Elected officials will not represent your best interests. They will give away your ability to hunt and fish for a few party dollars. They will turn a blind eye to fish, wildlife and habitat management as well as populations in decline.

Moose populations are in the gutter in Regions 5, and 7a. Mule deer are down in many parts. Wild sheep populations are being killed off by domestic sheep. Caribou populations across all of BC are wayyyyyyyy down.

Steelhead in the Thompson are in abysmal shape, VI are also down. We have issues with salmon that have never been tackled or nobody is even talking about. Government has not done a thing to help that out and won't until hunters and anglers get active.

3) We are not being heard; our voice is not being listened to by government. They do not care about what hunters and anglers have to say.

The funny thing is you and your family has the ability to control the outcome of the provincial election. There are more than enough hunters and anglers in BC to go out and absolutely control what happens in BC. This 'power' gives you the ability to dictate what hunters and anglers want to see in terms of management and allocation.

Moving forward there are a few things that MUST HAPPEN.



Resident hunters and anglers need to start electing people who represent them
That means asking candidates if they will support them unequivocally before the next provincial election
That means getting involved in your local political party
That means supporting people who support you and if you want, slamming the people who don't support you
Resident hunters and anglers need to start writting their MLAs every time they read/hear/talk about something
Every time you are worried about fish/wildlife populations or allocations pick up a paper and write
CC the opposition party leaders, the Minister and the Premier
Resident hunters and anglers need to tell all of their non-hunting friends and families
Resident hunters and anglers need to write letters to the editor regularly


Resident hunters and anglers need to start kicking some @ss.

Summing it up, not only are fish and wildlife populations being mismanaged and allowed to slip in decline, so if our access and share of these shrinking pies.

If this continues our kids and grandkids will have a hunting and fishing experience that is a shadow of what we have all experienced.

The Dawg
02-07-2015, 04:20 PM
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killman
02-07-2015, 04:32 PM
We need a new party.....one that isn't goin yo **** us and one that isn't going to break the province with its hand outs.

lange1212
02-07-2015, 05:16 PM
People need to understand that this is much more than a wildlife allocation issue. What's at stake is privatization of our public common property resources, hunting and angling heritage, Parks, and access to crown lands.

The allocations numbers game being played by the GOABC and Liberals is a public deception. If 10 animals are allocated and a guides gets 4, the message is t'is only 4 animals. The reality is that 40% of that wildlife was just privatized, stolen from public and what they don't want you to know. If the GOABC and their Liberal cronies get away with this be assured it won't stop there. The public interest is not being served and government in my opinion after the Thomson/Clark decision is in breach of public trust.

This threat has to be exposed to public overall as this decision will extend way beyond resident hunters and wildlife.

HarryToolips
02-07-2015, 05:28 PM
People need to understand that this is much more than a wildlife allocation issue. What's at stake is privatization of our public common property resources, hunting and angling heritage, Parks, and access to crown lands.

The allocations numbers game being played by the GOABC and Liberals is a public deception. If 10 animals are allocated and a guides gets 4, the message is t'is only 4 animals. The reality is that 40% of that wildlife was just privatized, stolen from public and what they don't want you to know. If the GOABC and their Liberal cronies get away with this be assured it won't stop there. The public interest is not being served and government in my opinion after the Thomson/Clark decision is in breach of public trust.

This threat has to be exposed to public overall as this decision will extend way beyond resident hunters and wildlife.
Now take what you said, critique it a bit, then send it to your newspaper as a letter to the editor because I think your 100% right...

And GoatGuy your totally right as well, we need to vote the BC Liberals out, plain and simple..if they get in power after the next election, well then they have not paid at all for their atrocities..

HarryToolips
02-07-2015, 05:30 PM
And the letters to the editor are also important as was said, we need to educate the public that hunting when done in moderation, as our Hunting seasons do, are a good thing for wildlife, and our funding has also greatly helped wildlife..

Drillbit
02-07-2015, 10:50 PM
CC is all about privatizing. She just tried to privatize education, now hunting. I'm glad some of you guys on here finally woke up.

eric
02-08-2015, 09:29 AM
Is there a Political party out there that gives a rats ass about the average resident AFTER they get elected......

I need to know,because this back stabbing LIEBERAL Government will never again get my vote...

What party out there will listen to the people.....??????

BromBones
02-08-2015, 10:33 AM
Good post GoatGuy.

Here's my 2 bits on the subject - Milk social media to the last drop to get our message across. It is a monster if it's used to the full potential.

Facebook and YouTube and the like, are free advertising. Why not have some BCWF (or HuntingBC.ca?) produced youtube videos on the bottom line facts about wildlife populations and the issues that are on the table in BC. No biased statements, just the facts. Any Joe 12pack with a laptop and vid editing program can turn out a pro quality video.

Provide a link and have everyone bomb their own social media sites to reach beyond the hunting community. Show the general public that resident hunters are truly concerned about wildlife populations dropping, predator #'s increasing, habitat destruction, & other environmental issues. We all know the issues, but the general public needs to get on board. They're more likely to support any group that puts conservation first, rather than a group that hunts for money.

Promote the 'Hunting for Food' aspect as well. The shift in attitude in the last few years towards free range,organic grown, steroid/hormone free meat, is huge. Let it be known that that's one of the reasons we hunt. It's a good angle.

And for those writing letters, emails, or using social media, always stress conservation and environment first, and always take the high road. No insults or slander, just facts and concerns.

Buck
02-08-2015, 10:33 AM
We will always be puppets to political partys unless we become a force that can win or lose in an election.It must become clear that if you want to win the election then BC wildlife is not for sale.

1899
02-08-2015, 11:25 AM
People need to understand that this is much more than a wildlife allocation issue. What's at stake is privatization of our public common property resources, hunting and angling heritage, Parks, and access to crown lands.

The allocations numbers game being played by the GOABC and Liberals is a public deception. If 10 animals are allocated and a guides gets 4, the message is t'is only 4 animals. The reality is that 40% of that wildlife was just privatized, stolen from public and what they don't want you to know. If the GOABC and their Liberal cronies get away with this be assured it won't stop there. The public interest is not being served and government in my opinion after the Thomson/Clark decision is in breach of public trust.

This threat has to be exposed to public overall as this decision will extend way beyond resident hunters and wildlife.

One big issue is that this is a form of capitalism and if you dare criticize it you will be labelled as a socialist, pinko or commie.

We need a strong, unified voice to make political waves. That organization needs to be well funded and focus on pushing the Resident agenda.

J_T
02-08-2015, 11:29 AM
A strong unified voice? I assume no one will submit an LEH application for the coming year then.
Zero submissions sends a message.

GoatGuy
02-08-2015, 12:08 PM
A strong unified voice? I assume no one will submit an LEH application for the coming year then.
Zero submissions sends a message.
Hahahaha, I can just see it now. GOABC would run to government, "resident hunters don't care about LEH species, and we aren't viable unless we can have some more."

I think picking the right candidates and getting rid of the duds is a long-term strategy that anglers and hunters need to start focusing in on.

Buck
02-08-2015, 12:14 PM
A strong unified voice? I assume no one will submit an LEH application for the coming year then.
Zero submissions sends a message.


Unfortunately that hurts BC residents i would prefer recall or legal action.

Fisher-Dude
02-08-2015, 12:45 PM
I'm tasked with sorting through a bunch of hunting regulations proposals that people have been pushing for this upcoming cycle.

What I'm seeing is people who have become conditioned to the game being played by government and GOABC, where the drive to regulate ourselves off the mountain is in full swing. Instead of looking for opportunity, pushing their elected officials to do the right thing, and proposing habitat enhancement, people are looking for ways to further restrict resident hunters because this is the lie they've been told over and over again by politicians and outfitters as the panacea for hunting.

"Close youth season, some dads shoot the kids' deer for them!"

"Put mule deer on 4 point because the butcher said there weren't many 4 points coming in last year!"

"Close whitetail doe seasons, because some guys don't see as many big bucks as they used to!"


Go see your MLA. Tell him/her that if he/she does not get busy and help put more critters on the hills and fish in the cricks, you'll make sure they are fired in 2017.

To spin our wheels by falling into the trap of shutting ourselves out of the forest via regulation, we allow the GO industry to take over, and the government to balance the budget by instilling "free" regulations instead of fixing habitat with all the millions we give them.

It's a fools' game, and it has to stop.

Bugle M In
02-08-2015, 01:33 PM
People need to understand that this is much more than a wildlife allocation issue. What's at stake is privatization of our public common property resources, hunting and angling heritage, Parks, and access to crown lands.

The allocations numbers game being played by the GOABC and Liberals is a public deception. If 10 animals are allocated and a guides gets 4, the message is t'is only 4 animals. The reality is that 40% of that wildlife was just privatized, stolen from public and what they don't want you to know. If the GOABC and their Liberal cronies get away with this be assured it won't stop there. The public interest is not being served and government in my opinion after the Thomson/Clark decision is in breach of public trust.

This threat has to be exposed to public overall as this decision will extend way beyond resident hunters and wildlife.


Yeah...what he said!!