stop the wolf cull in bc

[curt]

So fyi I seen this page on face book and ive been on there calling them on all the bullshit im sure im going to get some death threats but go onto facebook and check out the bs

[Lastcar]

Pick your battles. You're never going win in that arena. Save your energy for where you can be effective.

Swaying the moderates who could see the other side is the way to go.

All we need is a decent majority, not every zealot to see the light.

My 2 cents anyways.

You don't indicate what the page is called or link to it. So maybe that is what you were doing...

[Lastcar]

https://www.facebook.com/StopTheBcWolfCull

If that is the page...don't bother.

Never mind the fact that pro wolf cull folks are calling people idiots and F&^king ret$#rds....cause that helps our cause...

Sometime we are our own worst enemy. We let our passion bleed through and miss the mark.

[Backcountry Hunter]

Notice how most of the people on that Facebook page that are against the cull are from the Greater Vancouver Area. I guess this province revolves around the GVA

[44inchStone]

They have NO idea!! and are clueless. Do they not understand that IF we do NOT protect the Ungulates, there will be NO game left in this province, even for them to take a picture of. Except bears. Predators are a BIG problem in this province as we all know. and it NOT just wolves. If the trappers and outfitters did not help to control the cats in the lower end of this province, the deer/sheep population would be doomed. Worse than it already is. I couldn't even imagine how many deer and sheep these cats kill.
Again, Ungulates need our help. And that means getting out there in the OFF season and assisting in the wolf reduction AND coyotes. Any number of reduction will help. Go FOXPRO

[houndogger]

They have NO idea!! and are clueless. Do they not understand that IF we do NOT protect the Ungulates, there will be NO game left in this province, even for them to take a picture of. Except bears. Predators are a BIG problem in this province as we all know. and it NOT just wolves. If the trappers and outfitters did not help to control the cats in the lower end of this province, the deer/sheep population would be doomed. Worse than it already is. I couldn't even imagine how many deer and sheep these cats kill.
Again, Ungulates need our help. And that means getting out there in the OFF season and assisting in the wolf reduction AND coyotes. Any number of reduction will help. Go FOXPRO

Explain how trappers help with cats?

[44inchStone]

I stand corrected on trappers and cats. Kind of pooled them in the the same sentence. I'm not saying they help cats. I was trying to say they trap cats and wolves therefore saving some of our deer fawns and lambs. Maybe there are some trappers here that would know more than I would on the stats of how many cats kill our deer and sheep? I'm not a trapper

[LBM]

I stand corrected on trappers and cats. Kind of pooled them in the the same sentence. I'm not saying they help cats. I was trying to say they trap cats and wolves therefore saving some of our deer fawns and lambs. Maybe there are some trappers here that would know more than I would on the stats of how many cats kill our deer and sheep? I'm not a trapper

Seems like on this topic you are one of the clueless you mention.

[44inchStone]

Maybe you can educate me then
you must be a trapper? who is very educated in the subject.

[steveo]

Trappers thin the wolves out so the hound guys can dump their hounds with out getting chewed on and thin the cats, good working relations.

[LBM]

Maybe you can educate me then
you must be a trapper? who is very educated in the subject.

Bobcats and lynx can kill a deer or sheep(more so bobcats) but don't think they are a problem to the population.

[Ride Red]

Bobcats and lynx can kill a deer or sheep(more so bobcats) but don't think they are a problem to the population.

LBM,

The Bobcat is the smaller of the two cats and may eat off of a dead deer, but it certainly won't be killing live deer. I've never ever heard of a Lynx taking on a live deer either.

[Fisher-Dude]

Bobcats can kill fawns easily, and will take down a mature deer too.


http://www.fieldandstream.com/sites/fieldandstream.com/files/styles/photo-gallery/public/import/BlogPost/embed/IMG_0204.JPG?itok=2KaYMWRM




http://huntdrop.com/uploads/gamecams/bobcats-can-kill-mature-deer.gif

[LBM]

LBM,

The Bobcat is the smaller of the two cats and may eat off of a dead deer, but it certainly won't be killing live deer. I've never ever heard of a Lynx taking on a live deer either.

Well looks like you learned something new today.

[nerka992003]

Here's a couple of the locals around Rupert.

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac12/nerka992003/10933175_10152803160858323_1882085148_n.jpg (http://s881.photobucket.com/user/nerka992003/media/10933175_10152803160858323_1882085148_n.jpg.html)
http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac12/nerka992003/10950211_10152803160688323_1329228192_n-1_1.jpg (http://s881.photobucket.com/user/nerka992003/media/10950211_10152803160688323_1329228192_n-1_1.jpg.html)

[Ride Red]

Bobcats can kill fawns easily, and will take down a mature deer too.


http://www.fieldandstream.com/sites/fieldandstream.com/files/styles/photo-gallery/public/import/BlogPost/embed/IMG_0204.JPG?itok=2KaYMWRM




http://huntdrop.com/uploads/gamecams/bobcats-can-kill-mature-deer.gif

Look at that, I did learn something new today. Thanks FD.

[Fisher-Dude]

Look at that, I did learn something new today. Thanks FD.

No prob, RR.

25 pounds of fury in those lil buggers! Must be quite a ride when they clamp onto a windpipe of a mature deer!

[Stone Sheep Steve]

LBM,

The Bobcat is the smaller of the two cats and may eat off of a dead deer, but it certainly won't be killing live deer. I've never ever heard of a Lynx taking on a live deer either.

A friend's Dad watched a bobby kill a spike whitetail in the late fall.

[Red_Mist]

The wolf lovers will always be out there to cry foul over any management initiatives. And let's face it the anti hunting community has championed the wolf in the United States for years.....their logic being with low ungulate populations the government will be forced to restrict or close hunting on ungulates. This has been a proven and effective strategy down south with court cases and constant legal appeals to block any wolf management. Yes this logic is very bizarre in terms of conservation but you can't reason with the unreasonable. It's much more effective to educate the moderates who are not actually anti hunters. Present some numbers to them....BC wolf population estimated at 8500, kill 180 to save 18 caribou...well it's hard to argue with numbers. Most who I've talked to realize how ridiculous they sound and agree the wolves must go.

[Rob Chipman]

I think it's worth pointing out to people on FB that the blanket emotional opposition to a wolf cull is just that, emotional. I'm giving it a try, anyway. The people who turn up on your FB page are (at least I think they are) your friends of some description. If you can't explain some sense to them then we're all screwed. I'm pointing to the Tom Fletcher article and clarifying the fact that opposing the targeted wolf cull means supporting wolves killing caribou on the verge of extinction. It means choosing an animal that isn't threatened with extinction at the expense of one that is.

I'm doing that because the anti-wolf cull campaign is asserting that man (through resource extraction and habitat loss) is the problem, not the wolves. That's a fair argument, except that we aren't going to stop resource extraction or restore huge swathes of habitat. Thinking that we are (while typing on FB on a computer on the internet, all fueled by commerce) is a pipe dream.

What the anti-targeted wolf cull people are doing is saying that its preferable to allow wolves to kill more of the South Selkirk mountain caribou herd to killing wolves. The South Selkirk mountain caribou herd apparently now numbers 25, down from 46 in 2009. Call them out on it. What can you lose? Facebook death threat? Sounds like getting thrown a Kerrisdale beating (commonly called a a stern look) :-).

Cool info on the cats and deer. I just retrieved cards from my trail cams. Damn big looking cougar and repeated pics of two lynx. I've always assumed lynx eat rabbits, but my trail cam is right in rabbit heaven (I get hundreds of rabbit shots) and the damn lynx never seems to get the one in my camera area. So, if bobcats kill deer, what about lynx? Any info appreciated.

[scruffy]

Please remember most people are ignorant. As in don't know many facts about this. Many hunters, guides, trackers and people that live rural understand a little better. Many biologists understand the delicate balance, but often their opinion might get swayed by who pays them. But the average joe public usually gets swayed by the show they hear, article they read, and those shows or articles can be biassed by who it comes from. So polls are poop from mostly people who do not know enough to decide. As a hunter I am glad that wolves have not wiped out my honey whole for elk and white. The same can not be said for our moose that are no longer seen, unless mauled, and i saw one mule this year. I am also scared for the elk i hunt as wolves just keep roaming till they get game. So my games days are numbered so i choose to have wolves killed, because they lessen my joy of the mountains, and because they are so thriving,that if this cull is successful, it in no way endangers them. I feel sorry for the biologists that have tried to make caribou habitat only to have the wolves pull them down. I would be mad as a hatter.

[houndogger]

Bobcats can kill fawns easily, and will take down a mature deer too.


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No different then a cougar taking down elk or moose.

[finngun]

[QUOTE=nerka992003;1595954]Here's a couple of the locals around Rupert.// what are the chances some of those rupert's 'city wolves' being mixt with dogs??
that happens at least in scandinavia..some killed wolves has domestic dog geenes..dna..whatever:shock:........

[J_T]

I wouldn't worry about facebook and the anti cull group. The cull is almost over. And it's gone well.

[nerka992003]

Finngun Seems
they would rather eat the dogs rater than mate with them ,but one never knows.

[Red_Mist]

I wouldn't worry about facebook and the anti cull group. The cull is almost over. And it's gone well.

that is good to hear.

[westcoaster]

Awwwww..... Warm cuddly pictures of cute loveable wolves.

Wonder what the reaction would be to a few pics of a wolf pack ripping into a mooose or three

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b3py1xa8p0 Good stuff starts at 6:15

Oops....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXCvLzDNWz0


Citiots just don't get it...

[Ride Red]

I wouldn't worry about facebook and the anti cull group. The cull is almost over. And it's gone well.

Good to hear J_T, now on with the rest of the province.

[LBM]

I wouldn't worry about facebook and the anti cull group. The cull is almost over. And it's gone well.

So how many wolves have they taken up to now, and what do they do with them.