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MichelD
12-18-2014, 01:31 PM
Hi Michel,


Thanks for copying me on your email to Minister Thomson.

The BC Liberals’ latest changes to hunting allocation policy were supposed to resolve a number of key issues facing hunters in British Columbia. Unfortunately it does exactly the opposite, and hunters will suffer for it.

First, every hunter knows that decisions about hunting allocation policy must start with good science. But over the past decade, the BC Liberals’ repeated budget cuts have curtailed much-needed, on-the-ground research and forced wildlife managers to make important decisions in the dark. While the new allocation policy could increase the harvest rate, it will not increase the resources needed to make informed management decisions.

Second, BC hunters engaged with government in what they thought was a genuine discussion about how best to improve hunting opportunities for resident hunters, guide outfitters and their clients. Instead, the BC Liberals largely ignored the input provided by thousands of rank-and-file hunters and made their own decisions with little or no explanation of the reasons or consequences.

New Democrats believe that BC’s resources should be for the use and benefit of British Columbians first, understanding that the guide outfitters sector must have a place in the conversation. We also recognize that resident hunters make a significant contribution to BC’s rural economy and way of life. For instance, many businesses make a living by supporting outdoor recreation and hunting, and resident hunters feed their families with BC game and often contribute to wildlife conservation activities.

And conservation is sorely lacking from this government. Many official reports from the Forest Practices Board and the BC Auditor General have confirmed that the BC Liberals have abandoned the government’s duty to manage our land base. The Mount Polley tailings pond breach and the timber supply crisis remind us of the sometimes tragic results.

In the case of the grizzly bear hunt, last year scientists from three BC universities showed that the BC Liberal government doesn’t have the data about grizzly bear populations that are necessary to make informed decisions about the hunt. Good management and sustainable harvesting must start from good science. But good science and good management principles are exactly what are missing from the BC Liberal government.

New Democrats recognize that the only successful hunting allocation policy is one that has buy-in for a wide variety of hunter groups including the BC Wildlife Federation, and the Guide Outfitters Association. We recognize that allocation decisions must be based on good science and inventory data and must reflect the needs of hunters from across BC.

We believe that hunters must be part of the solutions and cannot be dismissed because key cabinet ministers think they are politically ineffective.

Best regards,

Shane.

Shane Simpson | MLA Vancouver Hastings
2365 E. Hastings St. Vancouver BC V5L 1V6 |604-775-2277 (tel:604-775-2277) | shanesimpson.ca (http://www.shanesimpson.ca/)

coach
12-18-2014, 01:35 PM
Thanks for posting his reply.

Hanrahan
12-18-2014, 02:15 PM
At least he wrote back. Even if it was just a thinly veiled political ad. I don't like it when they treat you like you're so dumb you can't see blatant pandering and political manoeuvering. Not that I'm any sort of BC Liberal fan. Politics just makes me shake my head.

pete_k
12-18-2014, 02:51 PM
Can we see a copy of your letter please. I'm writing one too and could use an example.
Thanks

pete_k
12-18-2014, 02:58 PM
Well at least he sounds empathetic at the beginning of his letter.
I take it he is an NDP MLA.

Interesting statement about the Grizzly hunt at the end.
I'm left to speculate if the NDP mandate is to end Grizzly hunting.
Contrary to his statement, I thought Grizzly were actually very well managed in BC.

Thanks for making some noise MichelD

bandit
12-18-2014, 03:18 PM
Considering how long the response was its surprising he didn't actually say anything about how he or the NDP will try to resolve the issue facing residents. Whilst I agree we need more government spending on wildlife, that is totally irrelevant to the problem at hand.

I wrote a grovelling letter to my NDP MLA this week, hope I get a more pragmatic reply.

Cookie1965
12-18-2014, 04:00 PM
Thanks for sharing his reply. Predictably though, its a series of shots at the Liberals with no explanation of how his NDP would do it better.

325
12-18-2014, 04:15 PM
Personally, as much as I despise the Liberals, as a hunter, I would be very cautious about getting into bed with the NDP. Their grassroots support does not come from the hunting community, but rather the anti-hunting community. They will betray you.

mcmullmar
12-18-2014, 04:26 PM
I got pretty much the same thing from Minister Harry Bains here in Surrey, Newton.
Going to send an e-mail to the Minister responsible next.

Vladimir Poutine
12-18-2014, 06:09 PM
Personally, as much as I despise the Liberals, as a hunter, I would be very cautious about getting into bed with the NDP. Their grassroots support does not come from the hunting community, but rather the anti-hunting community. They will betray you.

So who is it that has created this latest mess? The question to you is not to suggest that NDP support is the answer. It's no secret that a large segment of the NDP opposes specific hunting activities, but the response puts him in the crosshairs. Use it. He says that the decisions must be based on science. I agree. So if part of that science funding that he talks about were to be provided should the NDP be in charge and it shows that a grizzly hunt for example is sustainable then by his own words that should be enough to support it.

"No Choke"Lord Walsingham
12-18-2014, 06:29 PM
So who is it that has created this latest mess? The question to you is not to suggest that NDP support is the answer. It's no secret that a large segment of the NDP opposes specific hunting activities, but the response puts him in the crosshairs. Use it. He says that the decisions must be based on science. I agree. So if part of that science funding that he talks about were to be provided should the NDP be in charge and it shows that a grizzly hunt for example is sustainable then by his own words that should be enough to support it.


It wouldn't be. The NDP both Provincially and Federally would love nothing more than to Ban all Hunting and Firearms related activities entirely and are more than happy to lye through their teeth (and whatever else they've got) to gain the opportunity to do so. Well, I do suppose they might enjoy getting to waste 100% of the paychecks of all Canadians on dong so before accomplishing it.

As much as I oppose the Liberal Party I simply could never trust nor get behind N(o) D(own) P(ayment)... Just like a 0% down, ultra high interest car loan, an NDP government is a terrible decision!

Vladimir Poutine
12-18-2014, 08:03 PM
It wouldn't be. The NDP both Provincially and Federally would love nothing more than to Ban all Hunting and Firearms related activities entirely and are more than happy to lye through their teeth (and whatever else they've got) to gain the opportunity to do so. Well, I do suppose they might enjoy getting to waste 100% of the paychecks of all Canadians on dong so before accomplishing it.

As much as I oppose the Liberal Party I simply could never trust nor get behind N(o) D(own) P(ayment)... Just like a 0% down, ultra high interest car loan, an NDP government is a terrible decision!

You have no evidence at all that the NDP has ever said that they want to ban all hunting activities. They've never said it and as far as I can tell with my friend Google it's not part of their platform just like it's not part of the Liberal or Conservative platform.

What we do know for sure is that this latest shit storm re Allocation wasn't on the radar but the Liberals have done it anyway. Maybe your trust is misplaced.

"No Choke"Lord Walsingham
12-18-2014, 08:20 PM
You have no evidence at all that the NDP has ever said that they want to ban all hunting activities. They've never said it and as far as I can tell with my friend Google it's not part of their platform just like it's not part of the Liberal or Conservative platform.

What we do know for sure is that this latest shit storm re Allocation wasn't on the radar but the Liberals have done it anyway. Maybe your trust is misplaced.

I have not stated I place my "trust" as you put it, in any given party. I'm not here to tell you who to vote for.

I am pro Grizzly Hunt and the B.C. NDP have stated many times that they are not. The rest of my opinions are just that. Besides, there is no way they'd put that in their manifesto/platform. Canadian voters are notoriously moderate, coming out and saying such a thing would be a sure fire way to lose any given election.

Here's another opinion - the whole "allocation" thing is an overblown farce, in my estimation. It's propaganda and fear mongering, primarily. I am not into getting into that in multiple threads per se, so anyone interested in a bit of my take on the matter, I've posted a bit about it in the thread this link leads to -

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?113027-Allocation-Policy-explanation-and-facts

HarryToolips
12-18-2014, 10:38 PM
It wouldn't be. The NDP both Provincially and Federally would love nothing more than to Ban all Hunting and Firearms related activities entirely and are more than happy to lye through their teeth (and whatever else they've got) to gain the opportunity to do so. Well, I do suppose they might enjoy getting to waste 100% of the paychecks of all Canadians on dong so before accomplishing it.

As much as I oppose the Liberal Party I simply could never trust nor get behind N(o) D(own) P(ayment)... Just like a 0% down, ultra high interest car loan, an NDP government is a terrible decision!
WHat would be their motive behind banning hunting and firearms? You really think they'd want to piss that many people off and lose that much revenue? How bad were they for hunting and firearms the last time they were in power?

The Hermit
12-18-2014, 10:51 PM
They banned the grizzly hunt.

Beachcomber
12-18-2014, 11:03 PM
WHat would be their motive behind banning hunting and firearms? You really think they'd want to piss that many people off and lose that much revenue? How bad were they for hunting and firearms the last time they were in power?

Hard to find much explicit on the provincial NDP's views on hunting. The Fair Chase Act of 2011 was the best I could do : http://www.bcndp.ca/newsroom/fair-chase-act-would-clarify-hunting-rules-promote-good-sport

The Wilderness Committee is on record expressing their disappointment at the NDP' s failure to explicitly rule out the grizzly hunt.

Firearms are federally regulated and Mulcair has made clear his intention to revive the LGR should he be in a position to form government.

"No Choke"Lord Walsingham
12-19-2014, 08:11 PM
WHat would be their motive behind banning hunting and firearms? You really think they'd want to piss that many people off and lose that much revenue? How bad were they for hunting and firearms the last time they were in power?

Federally, the NDP are proven to be anti-gun and I clearly believe the B.C. Provincial version of said party to be likewise. I do not concern myself with going about attempting to speak (type) to the thought processes and/or motivations of others. Questions that would require doing so or use of the proverbial crystal ball shall go un-entertained and/or presumed to be rhetorical.

The Hermit and Beachcomber have come through ahead of myself here and posted what I'd have said had they not. I could not agree more with each of them.

Thank you both!