Boundary bay duck hunt question

[Steelpulse]

Question to anyone who hunts boundary bay for ducks, what are the rules? I have the Fraser valley special regs for the area I understand them it just seems to easy, I can drive 5 min from my house and there are tons of ducks I can shoot? I'm going to call the Richmond gun club Monday and speak to someone and call a CO, jusT seems to easy that I can go there park and start shooting ducks, as long as I'm far enough from roads etc etc and not shooting at the bird watchers or shooting at the highway I should be good? Anyone feel free to comment on here with some knowledge of the area

[LupieHunter]

boundary bay is in Surrey/Delta not Richmond so not sure why you'd call the Richmond club?

[Steelpulse]

I was going call the Richmond club because they are in the same Fraser valley special regs and thought maybe they could shed a little light on my questions, maybe they are duck hunters

Anyways just scouted it and found parking and a sign that said hunting season so I am guessing I can hunt on the other side of the signs that say boundary wmu are the small signs that say that the boundary? Once across the line as long as I'm not shooting across or down the trail where people walk, there were a few people there, I figure I, pretty good, once I get my special license Monday by end of next week should have some ducks down, good potential for limits

[LupieHunter]

My dad sits on delta's hunting committee and should know the details about hunting boundary bay. Send him a message, his username is marsh hawk

[trail blazer]

make sure you are are on the delta side of the bay. limits probably won't be as easy as it appears. good luck though

[Steelpulse]

Thanks for the help everyone

[Roe]

Not so easy if ethics are involved. Walked the dike today with the trouble and strife and probably looked like a couple of birders, which is somewhat true. I was looking at a few hunters through my binos out of interest. Two of them looked at me "often" in a why are you watching me kind of way which is okay in an insecure sort of way. I was watching because they were shooting at ducks overhead that required AA to bring them down. I shoot the odd duck

[pnbrock]

do u even need decoys there?sounds like walk out shoot 8 ducks then home for the afternoon.

[Steelpulse]

Ya there were ducks around for sure, and where there is something to hunt I'm there, will be out there lots very soon, lots of opportunity for variety over the whole season

[limit time]

Question to anyone who hunts boundary bay for ducks, what are the rules? I have the Fraser valley special regs for the area I understand them it just seems to easy, I can drive 5 min from my house and there are tons of ducks I can shoot? I'm going to call the Richmond gun club Monday and speak to someone and call a CO, jusT seems to easy that I can go there park and start shooting ducks, as long as I'm far enough from roads etc etc and not shooting at the bird watchers or shooting at the highway I should be good? Anyone feel free to comment on here with some knowledge of the area
You complaining ? About how easy it is? It should be like this everywhere:)

[Steelpulse]

Not complaining going to go everyday now bring the 10 gauge or model 12, reach out for the long shots passing

[lorneparker1]

Sweet, skybusting with a 10 gauge will make you super popular!

[Steelpulse]

Not going to make Insane shots at 80yards high passers, just gonna drop them 50-60 yard birds, aware of the sensitivity of the area to bird watchers and will do my best to not upset the local bird watchers, however a 10 gauge is allowed and the sign says it is hunting season so I will legally do everything I can to drop my limits to the best of my ability, not worried if the local antis don't like me, I'm doing what I'm legally allowed to do and I'm doing it tastefully and respectfully

[pnbrock]

not too worry lorne he will fit in nicely on the bay.

[lorneparker1]

Not going to make Insane shots at 80yards high passers, just gonna drop them 50-60 yard birds, aware of the sensitivity of the area to bird watchers and will do my best to not upset the local bird watchers, however a 10 gauge is allowed and the sign says it is hunting season so I will legally do everything I can to drop my limits to the best of my ability, not worried if the local antis don't like me, I'm doing what I'm legally allowed to do and I'm doing it tastefully and respectfully

Not trying to be a dick but 50 and 60 yards are high passers and un ethical. how are you going to retrieve your birds from a winged bird at 60 yards that sales 400metres?

[B-rad]

That's the whole purpose of using a 10 gauge,,,,more pellets in the sky and foot pounds per square inch(per pellet)for a cleaner kill,,,,,,steelpulse could opt out and keep shooting the 12gauge and keep fingers crossed,,,,,,good choice steelpulse,,,and thinking

[lorneparker1]

thanks for the lesson. im glad boundary bay is no where near me

[heyblast]

That's the whole purpose of using a 10 gauge,,,,more pellets in the sky and foot pounds per square inch(per pellet)for a cleaner kill,,,,,,steelpulse could opt out and keep shooting the 12gauge and keep fingers crossed,,,,,,good choice steelpulse,,,and thinking

#2 pellet out of the barrel at 1550 ft per second muzzle velocity will result in the same retained ft. lbs. of energy at thirty yards, forty yards or whatever distance. Gauge or pellet count makes no difference in retained energy. My 12 gauge will cripple birds at sixty yards just as well as a 10 gauge with identical shot size and velocity. Unless you use one of the heavier density non toxic shots that will just retain enough energy at sixty yards your just going to cripple birds. I have a ten and don't use it, there's no advantage.

[Steelpulse]

Unethical to you maybe, whats the difference if you wing a bird at 20yards and it flaps around in the water swimming away from you for 400 yards and you can't get it? I highly doubt every single bird you shoot at crumples on the spot and doesn't try to get away,

ethics to every person are different while generally remaining in the same general area they can range from not taking a 50 yards shot to taking a 50 yard shot, I have been duck hunting for years and this high passing shot is quite a common shot, in England this is how they shoot during driven hunts for upland and sometimes less commonly waterfowl but straight up at 60 yards to a fluttering duck is a dead shot in my game they usually drop straight down, not shooting at the ducks moving 1000 miles an hour, just the ones that are slower moving generally pairs or solo bird that may be curious in the spread so slow down to check it out and bang splash, it is actually my favourite shot straight up and long distance, and I drop me like that regularity.

In the end sometimes you lose a duck, however you and I as hunters do everything we can to not let that happen, I am not a new hunter, I am very experienced, I do appreciate your concern I do get these responses quite often about these shots but will continue to make the shots.

Not it trying stir the pot just defending my hunting ways


Not trying to be a dick but 50 and 60 yards are high passers and un ethical. how are you going to retrieve your birds from a winged bird at 60 yards that sales 400metres?

[Steelpulse]

I do have to disagree sir I think the advantage comes not on the energy and such but rather in the larger payload and better spread at longer distances, I will pattern my 10 gauge this week and show a pattern of it at 60 70 yards it's great compared to practically arcing a 12 gauge at this distance haha joking about the 12


#2 pellet out of the barrel at 1550 ft per second muzzle velocity will result in the same retained ft. lbs. of energy at thirty yards, forty yards or whatever distance. Gauge or pellet count makes no difference in retained energy. My 12 gauge will cripple birds at sixty yards just as well as a 10 gauge with identical shot size and velocity. Unless you use one of the heavier density non toxic shots that will just retain enough energy at sixty yards your just going to cripple birds. I have a ten and don't use it, there's no advantage.

[heyblast]

Not arguing pattern density, it's the retained energy at the distance your talking. Steel looses energy rapidly. I've taken shots at sixty yards using lead because of the increased payload of a ten gauge and it is effective but you lose that with steel. That's just my two bits , been there done that and my twelve is a hell of a lot lighter to carry, that there is no disputing. Good luck when you get out.

[lorneparker1]

Unethical to you maybe, whats the difference if you wing a bird at 20yards and it flaps around in the water swimming away from you for 400 yards and you can't get it? I highly doubt every single bird you shoot at crumples on the spot and doesn't try to get away,

ethics to every person are different while generally remaining in the same general area they can range from not taking a 50 yards shot to taking a 50 yard shot, I have been duck hunting for years and this high passing shot is quite a common shot, in England this is how they shoot during driven hunts for upland and sometimes less commonly waterfowl but straight up at 60 yards to a fluttering duck is a dead shot in my game they usually drop straight down, not shooting at the ducks moving 1000 miles an hour, just the ones that are slower moving generally pairs or solo bird that may be curious in the spread so slow down to check it out and bang splash, it is actually my favourite shot straight up and long distance, and I drop me like that regularity.

In the end sometimes you lose a duck, however you and I as hunters do everything we can to not let that happen, I am not a new hunter, I am very experienced, I do appreciate your concern I do get these responses quite often about these shots but will continue to make the shots.

Not it trying stir the pot just defending my hunting ways

I don't shoot or take shots at birds I cant retrieve. Period. I shoot a few ducks a year and I can count on half of one hand how many we don't retrieve. IF you shoot a bird at 20 yards the odds of it getting 400 yards away from you is next to none. You have time to go get it, put another shot into etc. If you wing or cripple a bird coming into the decoys at under 30 yards they will fall towards you and be easy to retrieve, if you pass shoot a bird at 30 yards and wing them, they may sail 100 yards. If you do that to a bird at 60 they could glide half a mile. I don't see to much "fluttering" at 60 yards. Taking shots where there is a high probability of not retrieving them is not ethical and not even debatable to be honest.

You have to wonder, if people keep bringing it up to you, maybe there is something wrong with it? Why not learn how to decoy birds and shoot at ranges where there is a high probability of a kill shot and a retrieve? I don't care if you are Tom knapp, No one kills birds constantly at 60 yards. and yes sometimes you do lose a duck no matter what you do if you hunt enough, but its not ok and shooting at 60 yards is not "doing everything we can to not let that happen".

Lorne

[Steelpulse]

I do decoy birds regularity but like the change of jump shooting pass shooting etc and all methods of duck hunting, I will agree there is no ethics in taking random shots at far flying birds if you can't retrieve them but that's not what I'm doing, with the long shots they are all assessed first then a shot is taken if I see it fit, we can agree to disagree though, can't wait to get out and get some nice pintails duckduckduckduckduck

[Roe]

Because of the wide open expanse of land sea and sky at Boundary Bay I find that when I put a stick 35 yards from my shooting position it sure looks close. As I am an inexperienced hunter I am not confident enough to try longer shots. I am usually on the dyke 3 times a week covering a 25 year period. Walking, running, biking and watching and shooting the odd duck. Love the place.

[limit time]

Not complaining going to go everyday now bring the 10 gauge or model 12, reach out for the long shots passing

10G! Nice!! Maybe I'll see you out there! Heading to westham this weekend.

[limit time]

#2 pellet out of the barrel at 1550 ft per second muzzle velocity will result in the same retained ft. lbs. of energy at thirty yards, forty yards or whatever distance. Gauge or pellet count makes no difference in retained energy. My 12 gauge will cripple birds at sixty yards just as well as a 10 gauge with identical shot size and velocity. Unless you use one of the heavier density non toxic shots that will just retain enough energy at sixty yards your just going to cripple birds. I have a ten and don't use it, there's no advantage.
You wanna get rid of that " no advantage ten" ??

[f350ps]

You wanna get rid of that " no advantage ten" ??
I hope you shoot yours better than the clown that was out front of Westham this afternoon! I guess that he figured he's shooting a 10 he can killem at 70-100yds, didn't work out so well! If ya can't kill birds with a 20 ya sure as hell can't killem with a 10!! K

[limit time]

I hope you shoot yours better than the clown that was out front of Westham this afternoon! I guess that he figured he's shooting a 10 he can killem at 70-100yds, didn't work out so well! If ya can't kill birds with a 20 ya sure as hell can't killem with a 10!! K
I here ya! But, ya can't argue that the 10 isn't a cool gun?

[bandit]

in England this is how they shoot during driven hunts for upland and sometimes less commonly waterfowl but straight up at 60 yards to a fluttering duck is a dead shot in my game they usually drop straight down, not shooting at the ducks moving 1000 miles an hour, just the ones that are slower moving



youre comparing apples and oranges. Pheasants are so soft they will drop out of the sky if you shout bang loud enough. Ducks are way way tougher as they have thicker feathers and tougher flesh. Also pheasant hunters in England use lead and tight chokes not steel in open ones. I would rate my chances on a pheasant at 60 higher than a duck at 45-50.

Also from my experience it's often easier to knock down the ones flying quickly; they flap harder and expose more vitals and I'm pretty sure there is an effect of off balancing or them when they are flying fast. Just like it's easier to trip over when your running fast compared to walking slowly. Feel free to disagree.

[heyblast]

You wanna get rid of that " no advantage ten" ??


No, there's enough sky busters out.

[Ranger95]

in England this is how they shoot during driven hunts for upland and sometimes less commonly waterfowl but straight up at 60 yards to a fluttering duck is a dead shot in my game they usually drop straight


Shooting from this

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for these


http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i460/poofter_paddi/ce4459d9606d365c21e91efcedcc5168_zps01540922.jpg


Is is copletely different to shooting in BC for these....

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i460/poofter_paddi/bufflehead_4574-Copy_zps6ef0a7c8.jpg

Learn to to deecoy the birds - when you see their feet - shoot!

Honestly - it's way more fun and sporting than "Hail Mary's "at 60 yards!

[Foxton Gundogs]

I have a Browning Gold 10, it's sole purpose in life is late season honkers when the 'kevlar' builds up. Still shoot it like my 12 but for late season birds it works better. However if you think it will hit harder at long range than a 20 using the same shell you are very wrong. If you don't have the patience or skill to get birds into the 30 yd mark then perhaps long range gong banging with a 280AI or some other such rifle is more in your wheel house.

[Big Lew]

I personally agree with "Foxton Gundogs". I have little patience for the intentional 'sky busters', especially
those that sit just beyond more ethical hunters and try to get birds before others. When I used to hunt
areas where 'sky busters' were common such as around Pitt Lake and the Harrison I would take my dog
along the shoreline and often he would track down wounded birds far from the shooting action. I've also
picked up birds from the middle of the Fraser that had glided hundreds of yards from inland shooting areas.

[FirePower]

Shooting from this

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i460/poofter_paddi/70e25561ed3d7c8baf1e5a0f394d6365_zps5e313363.jpg


for these


http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i460/poofter_paddi/ce4459d9606d365c21e91efcedcc5168_zps01540922.jpg


Is is copletely different to shooting in BC for these....

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i460/poofter_paddi/bufflehead_4574-Copy_zps6ef0a7c8.jpg

Learn to to deecoy the birds - when you see their feet - shoot!

Honestly - it's way more fun and sporting than "Hail Mary's "at 60 yards!

My Da was a Game Keeper and Kennel Master for a number of estates in GB. Over there they do driven duck shoots much the same as they do the driven upland shoots with the birds being driven down the slough and the shooters standing on a bridge pass shooting. They believe it unsportsman like to shoot low flying birds and most of the shots are what we would consider sky busting. It was my job as a youth to take our Spaniels and clean up down stream after the shoot. The number of wounded birds the dead and dying would sicken any true sportsman. The entire staff of the estate would eat like kings after the clean up. Learn your distance learn to decoy, Hail Marys are for pentance not waterfowl shooting. And no, a bigger bore will not give you greater distance.