Kitwanga storm brewing?

[Bluedsteel]

Hey guys, not trying to start any rumors but rather looking for confirmation of something I just heard from a trucker.
I heard that the natives are already setting up for a blockade up around Kitwanga. He said it didn't look like it was going to be a peaceful one but I don't know this guy or whether he's exagerating.
I have to drive through there in the near future with the family and I don't want to risk it if theres a bunch of yahoos acting up. I haven't seen anything in the news yet. Anyone drive through there today?

[kilometers]

Haven't herd anything yet. They plan to peacefully block cn on August 5.
I hope it stays civil. Know lots of natives and non natives that don't agree with their actions.

[kilometers]

http://www.straight.com/news/696276/gitxsan-consider-service-disruptions-targeting-cn-rail-and-other-companies-northwestern-bc

[Bluedsteel]

I got some clarification that they were walking out in front of traffic in groups, stopping traffic for a bit then taking off before the cops showed. Not an official blockade but harassing the public it seems.

[steel_ram]

I got some clarification that they were walking out in front of traffic in groups, stopping traffic for a bit then taking off before the cops showed. Not an official blockade but harassing the public it seems.

Can work both ways, but we know who will get in trouble first.

[swamper]

Just drive on through. They will get the message.

[digginsweatinswearin]

I wonder how much the cops have been looking into this? Are they noticing an influx of out of province natives to the area? A bunch of the "Oka warriors" were actually muscle brought in from the states.

Crap, who am I kidding the cops don't have the resources, skills or motivation to keep tabs on things like this.

[steel_ram]

The second militant types wearing masks and packing weapons shows up the authorities should go in with heavy hands. Nip it in the bud. This isn't Bosnia or the Ukraine.

[Kudu]

I could not get past the "Beverley Clifton Percival" bit - First Nations negotiater --- really? Is she British maybe?

If I was on the other side of the table to her, I would spend half the time trying to figure out how a First Nation person landed on a name like that - never mind taking anything she had to say seriously....

But hey - don't mind me - when negotiating land deals I'm just used to dealing with people called Tokyo Sexwhale, and Cyril Ramaphosa to name a few of old ANC stalwarts

[two-feet]

Kitwanaga is a problematic area right now. It is one of my very favorite fishing spots for spring/coho/steelhead but people have not been fishing there much this year because of abusive locals and some slashed tires. You will get yelled at even if you are in the middle of the river in a boat. Like most situations, most of the folk there are very friendly and happy to share the river but it just takes a few arses to mess things up

[srupp]

Hmmmm dont forget the Kiwancool bridge event of years gone by,,, it can and has got physical with property damaged...
Srr

[Spy]

Kitwanaga is a problematic area right now. It is one of my very favorite fishing spots for spring/coho/steelhead but people have not been fishing there much this year because of abusive locals and some slashed tires. You will get yelled at even if you are in the middle of the river in a boat. Like most situations, most of the folk there are very friendly and happy to share the river but it just takes a few arses to mess things up
Slashed tires(vandalism) & verbal abusive are all off offences under the law and should be treated as such. A couple heavy handed arrests,coupled with huge fines should be in forced.

[Wentrot]

I got some clarification that they were walking out in front of traffic in groups, stopping traffic for a bit then taking off before the cops showed. Not an official blockade but harassing the public it seems.


Hit the gas, not the brake.

[Papa Sasquatch]

The money thrown into Kitwanga pit only feeds the fire for more actions. Don't stop there! Plan ahead.

[Onesock]

They can come on our land but we cannot go on their(our land). Lets blockade them onto their (our) land and see what happens.

[adriaticum]

They can come on our land but we cannot go on their(our land). Lets blockade them onto their (our) land and see what happens.

Now there is a good idea.
That will happen.

[russm]

Just think of them as speed bumps and keep on going, if they want "their" land then us white devils should put a wall all the way around it and lock the ****ers in, once they wipe out whatever fish and animals are in there they get to starve!

[Yukon280]

Just think of them as speed bumps and keep on going, if they want "their" land then us white devils should put a wall all the way around it and lock the ****ers in, once they wipe out whatever fish and animals are in there they get to starve!
You would have fit right in in 19th century America.....
We "white devils" get all torqued up about new immigrants coming to "our" country. Imagine how first nations feel?
It is obviously a night and day view that I hold compared to the majority on this site, but FNs have gotten a raw deal for a long time. Yeah, their own governments suffer from corruption, nepotism etc, but take a look at Allison Redfords reign and tell me how its different.
Yes, blockades are inconvenient, but they are doing what they feel they have to do to resolve outstanding issues. I don't begrudge them one bit. If I saw a blockade, rather than speeding up, running them over and being charged with 2nd degree murder, I'd walk over, have a chat and see whats up. Amazing what can happen with civil communication.

[huff]

I've stopped in kitwanga many times on my way to and from work and have never been treated differently than any other place... mmmm. Well said Yukon.. Not all members on here think and post like some of the previous posters. Almost KKK on this site sometimes.

[Sasquatch]

You would have fit right in in 19th century America.....
We "white devils" get all torqued up about new immigrants coming to "our" country. Imagine how first nations feel?
It is obviously a night and day view that I hold compared to the majority on this site, but FNs have gotten a raw deal for a long time. Yeah, their own governments suffer from corruption, nepotism etc, but take a look at Allison Redfords reign and tell me how its different.
Yes, blockades are inconvenient, but they are doing what they feel they have to do to resolve outstanding issues. I don't begrudge them one bit. If I saw a blockade, rather than speeding up, running them over and being charged with 2nd degree murder, I'd walk over, have a chat and see whats up. Amazing what can happen with civil communication.

Wow, a voice of reason. Imagine that, dealing with problems without escalating to violence....what kind of a world would we have then?

[Wentrot]

I've stopped in kitwanga many times on my way to and from work and have never been treated differently than any other place... mmmm. Well said Yukon.. Not all members on here think and post like some of the previous posters. Almost KKK on this site sometimes.

KKK? really lol? I don't care what color you are but if a group of morons think it is a good idea to be jumping out in front of vehicles to stop traffic they will be in for a real surprise eventually. Nothing racist about it-people like yourself pull that card way to much these days.

[Mulehahn]

So many things wrong with this. Yes, the recent court case made it easier to establish title, but it did not grant the Gitxsan title. That still has to be established through negotiation, or another court case. The SCC did say that in areas of dispute the crown has a duty to consult, but the SCC also established in a court case last year that in issues regarding to failure to consult blockades are illegal. I fully support the FN right to protest. Get up every day and march up and down the streets, set up picket lines and let people decide if they want to cross or not. But to forcibly stop people from accessing areas has been deemed illegal and they should be arrested and charged appropriately. If threats are being uttered, or vandalism committed charges should be laid as they would against any other citizen. The laws of this country, as written, should be respected and applied to all. If you disagree with them you have lots of legal options to change them. It is not the fisherman, CN, or the logging companies that are threatening escalation. To quote JFK, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." I do not advocate violence, but let it be known if you are willing to attack me I will not hesitate to defend myself.

[sawmill]

They can come on our land but we cannot go on their(our land). Lets blockade them onto their (our) land and see what happens.

We tried that back when Oka was going on and the the local natives got restless.They blocked the hiway north out of Kitwanga,set fire to the Kispiox bridge and had "informational blockades on the main Hiway to Terrace.WE(all the loggers and sawmill guys) were put out of work for weeks.These a-holes had women and kids on the barricades and guys behind with camo,face masks and guns.
SOooooo we decided to block the rez`s from town.The 3 B`s,Banks ,Bars and Bingoe.We set up a blockade of over 100 logging trucks on the hiway at Kitwanga and turned back all natives.Everybody else could go as they pleased.
Cops showed up within an hour and were going to arrest every one of us.God knows where you keep 300 pissed off loggers.They were taking pictures,writing down plate # and threatening us with huge fines and future problems with the DOT.We pulled out after 3 hours to the hoots and whistles of the ARMED F N`s 2 hundred yards away.A lot of contracters moved their families out of town that summer because of the death threats to them.
If I still lived there I guess I would be on the news.Then in jail.I`m so glad I moved here,the only chance to get scalped is at the Indian Casino just out of town.

[Bluedsteel]

I've stopped in kitwanga many times on my way to and from work and have never been treated differently than any other place... mmmm. Well said Yukon.. Not all members on here think and post like some of the previous posters. Almost KKK on this site sometimes.

Have to say my experience was different. My partner forgot some tags on the way up north and said "hey let's stop in Kitwanga and get those tags" I laughed and said good luck with that. So he walks up to the till and asks this young native girl if he could buy tags" she just looked at him like he had 2 heads, turned her back to him and walked away. Wouldn't even let him pay for the other crap he was trying to purchase. I have never seen my partner that embarrassed and humiliated. We laugh about it now as we pull into their parking lot to fill our truck with jerry cans lol.

[srupp]

Same shit here in the Cariboo...blocked the highway 20 at Toosie reserve...kids handing out leaflets while wearing masks...kida feel the situation will resurface by sept 10 this year....
Srupp

[steel_ram]

Why are they wearing masks?

[REMINGTON JIM]

Why are they wearing masks?

So NOBODY they are holding up will KNOW them ! :cry: RJ

[russm]

KKK? really lol? I don't care what color you are but if a group of morons think it is a good idea to be jumping out in front of vehicles to stop traffic they will be in for a real surprise eventually. Nothing racist about it-people like yourself pull that card way to much these days.

Exactly people are much too sensitive these days.

[rainman]

You would have fit right in in 19th century America.....
We "white devils" get all torqued up about new immigrants coming to "our" country. Imagine how first nations feel?
It is obviously a night and day view that I hold compared to the majority on this site, but FNs have gotten a raw deal for a long time. Yeah, their own governments suffer from corruption, nepotism etc, but take a look at Allison Redfords reign and tell me how its different.
Yes, blockades are inconvenient, but they are doing what they feel they have to do to resolve outstanding issues. I don't begrudge them one bit. If I saw a blockade, rather than speeding up, running them over and being charged with 2nd degree murder, I'd walk over, have a chat and see whats up. Amazing what can happen with civil communication.

i try so hard to stay out of these.....natives were wronged before for sure we all know that,but the government is trying so hard now to show the rest of the world how compassionate we are to native rights that it has gone full circle,hunt any time u want,catch as many fish as possible,but dont eat any ,sell them all, and on and on and on,if i was wronged some way ,maybe a car accident where the other guy was at fault,it would go to court and i would get a cash settlement,done deal carry on,i think that needs to happen now,figure out how much it is going to cost ,give the natives fair compensation for wrongdoings and now its even.you are canadians like the rest of us and have to adhere to our laws

[CaribooBC]

I wonder how much the cops have been looking into this? Are they noticing an influx of out of province natives to the area? A bunch of the "Oka warriors" were actually muscle brought in from the states.

Crap, who am I kidding the cops don't have the resources, skills or motivation to keep tabs on things like this.
I was through there on Tuesday. At Moricetown there were a lot of Alberta plates. I don't know if that is normal with their fishery there.
I stopped there a few years ago to watch them fishing and was actually welcomed down onto the rocks to get a better view. This time when I stopped I was greeted by stares and dirty looks. I didn't hang around long, they made me feel very uncomfortable.

[sawmill]

Back in the bad old days in Australia there was a bounty on natives.They were considered to be a nuisance,like weeds or coyotes that needed to be exterminated so progress could progress.Even several instances of them being rounded up like wild cattle and run off cliffs by mounted sheep ranchers.In the States.....well we all know about the States.Wagon loads of smallpox infested blankets delivered to the rez`s,wiping out whole villages in winter camp(Wounded Knee)
Sitting Bull escaped to Canada because of the fall out after Custer got his ass kicked.He would have been just fine here too under the "White Queen`s " protection,but he went home and got caught.
FN`s here have no concept of genocide.They just want half the pie for free.
I grew up pretty poor money wise but rich in family and life experiances on a small northern ranch.I am where I am because I worked for it.You make your own luck and nobody owes you anything.Lace up your work boots and go get it.
In Canada race really does not matter unless you want to make it matter.And it always seems to be the laziest among us who pull that card out.

[Brett]

I wonder how much the cops have been looking into this? Are they noticing an influx of out of province natives to the area? A bunch of the "Oka warriors" were actually muscle brought in from the states.

Crap, who am I kidding the cops don't have the resources, skills or motivation to keep tabs on things like this.
not that it's relevant, but the Americans that came into Quebec to help at Oka are all Mohawks "family" if you will... and that was over a golf course on what they felt was reserve land...

Natives back East raise concern and cause shite when there reserve is being affected. They do NOT lay claim to everything they have ever walked on or they have treaties that they cant.. but either way there Reserves are there's. EVERYTHING else is EVERY ONES. i don't know why its so different here

[Big Lew]

"Wagon loads of smallpox infested blankets delivered to the rez`s,wiping out whole villages in winter camp(Wounded Knee)"

Smallpox infested blankets wiped out close to half of the Natives, sometimes whole villages, in parts of our Province as well.

[Ambush]

"Smallpox infested blankets wiped out close to half of the Natives, sometimes whole villages, in parts of our Province as well.

Can it be reliably documented that it was an intentional act? Not that Indians died of small pox, but that it was an orchestrated event. Throughout the world people have died en-mass when confronted with a disease that they have never built an immunity to. All it would take would be inter-travel with neighbouring bands for it to spread quickly. One Potlach and half the coast is affected, then the over lap during, hunting, fishing, trading and raiding season would start a swift chain re-action.

I'm certainly not convinced that the government at the time would do that, nor is it at all consistent with the way they handled Indians at the time. And the traders needed the Indians to supply the furs, so if you want eggs, you have to keep the chickens alive.

With the "re-write" of our history, some things get a new sinister slant just because the authours can.

[Brett]

I don't think it was intentional... I think the Europeans just introduced a new virus like you are saying that just wiped them out. Any way were way off topic!!!

its one thing for the band to want to deal with businesses and industry. , it's all together different to stop any resident from enjoying hi/her province ! We are resident too and if they are going to take over the land I enjoy, I need compensation for it ;)

[Big Lew]

I have a slew of early literature in regard to BC. I agree that it wasn't done intentionally by the government or most traders. Unfortunately there were some that took the infested blankets from affected villages and re-sold or traded them again either callously or through ignorance of the fact they were spreading the disease. Some of the problem areas today were badly decimated, which could have something to do with lingering attitudes.

[steel_ram]

Anger lingering over small pox? Seriously? Even if Europeans would have never discovered "America", (yeah right), eventually the people here would have been in contact with the rest of the world. Spread of disease would have happened regardless. North America is a pretty big chunk of land to miss.

[Gr8 white hunter]

This is for all the Indians out there.http://youtu.be/WSjMuKh1Wpo

[Caribou_lou]

The locals at Kitwanga have always been pricks. Just being bigger ones on the 5th. Right now they are just excited to have something to look forward too. If you are worried about anything pack a video camera and have it rolling. If your worried about your vehicle, set up a trail cam.

I strongly feel something good will come out of this.

There is also a fishing Derby planned for Anderson Flats in Hazelton on the 4th. This should be good!

[Cami]

Its thread makes me worried now for my trip to the QC a little bit. When i mentioned my concern at home yesterday and complained about it ..... i ended up in the doghouse .LOL
Ok but really I agree and disagree with what the FN are doing. On one side we all depend on them because they have way more power then us ( Hunters ) so they can stop the government from mismanaging and destroying our lands.
But they are going about it wrong with giving us a hard time and not the government. And i think that's the best thing what can happen for the government. If the FN and us would pull together they would have a way harder time. But now its us against them butting heads where we should all butt heads with the government.
In the big picture we all want the same, go fishing and hunting and leave some for the next generation.

[Ambush]

Bit of a switch; I have a bow and they have guns. :-?

I've never bothered to pack any "pred protection", but I may have to start, just to level the field.

[lorneparker1]

http://www.straight.com/news/696276/gitxsan-consider-service-disruptions-targeting-cn-rail-and-other-companies-northwestern-bc


“We are going to take action against CN [Rail], and we are going to look at the railway line and a potential disruption of service,” she continued. “We’re going to take action August 5 if there is no action by the Crown.”
Clifton Percival declined to say what options the Gitxsan might pursue.
“We don’t want any violence or confrontation, but we want the Crown to step up,” she added. “We want to deal with CN, we want to deal with the sport fisheries, we want to deal with B.C. Timber Sales.”

In English it says We want money from CN, we want money from sport fishers, we want money from BC timber sales/

[Swamp mule]

I will give you some knowledge in regards to this lady.
1) She is a Gixtsan FN person and her last name includes her maiden name followed by her married last name.[
2) You wanna talk about a person that is somewhat racist(this is first hand experience) against the non-natives she is one for that. I have experienced this in a FN course at the college when going through the forestry program. It was not very pleasant and this was illustrated numerous times through the class. Sucked it up and went through it so I could get my diploma. There was the shoving of all the FN issues down our throats .
3) I saw her on the Terrace campus and said hi to her. Not on bit of acknowledgement from her and did not expect it. Figured to take the high road and she showed her true colours again.
So in conclusion all I can say is all non-natives watch out as the batch is on the prowl and if anyone says that they are not raaacest then she really shows it. Sorry but for what I went through with her I have to speak my two cents.QUOTE=Kudu;1523003]I could not get past the "Beverley Clifton Percival" bit - First Nations negotiater --- really? Is she British maybe?

If I was on the other side of the table to her, I would spend half the time trying to figure out how a First Nation person landed on a name like that - never mind taking anything she had to say seriously....

But hey - don't mind me - when negotiating land deals I'm just used to dealing with people called Tokyo Sexwhale, and Cyril Ramaphosa to name a few of old ANC stalwarts[/QUOTE]

[Eastbranch]

This forum is a cesspool of deep south racism.

[Bluedsteel]

This forum is a cesspool of deep south racism.

I never thought that wanting to live in a country where all races were treated as equals was racist, that's what this all boils down to arctic red. Time for all races to get off their buts and earn a living as well as become proud and productive members of society. How can you argue with that?

[CaribooBC]

This forum is a cesspool of deep south racism.
I stopped at Moricetown last weekend to learn about FN culture and history, I was made to feel unwelcome to be there. And you say this forum is racist???

[Wentrot]

This forum is a cesspool of deep south racism.

You are a moron-ban this clown. Every post you make has the race card wrongly pulled. YOU are the problem

[Mulehahn]

This forum is a cesspool of deep south racism.

The irony is though, In BC it is usually the Deep North and committed against whites. If you don't see it then either you are First Nation, just pass through the area, are friends with someone and only associate with Natives when they are around. I have lived up North, spent months in Camps across northern BC, traveled most of the highways. I see it every time. I have a friend who lives in Good Hope Lake, when ever I stop in to see him I am treated great. Go to Dease Lake and forget the line, I have to wait for every single First Nation in the store to finish paying for there pop before I can pay for my gas, even then I am doing them a favour. Same band, just different situation. Work with a guy for 12hrs a day 6 days a week in Camp, have meals with him, play poker with him. Head into town on a Saturday night, no way in hell will he been seen associating with Whitey. In my travels up North, the amount of racism expressed by First Nations would of done Nana Sahib proud!

(For those wondering Nana Sahib lead the Sepoy Rebellion in India against the British because the British were not respecting Indian Culture. They mercilessly slaughtered any and all whites, man, woman, or child simply because they were white, not because of something they had done directly)

[srupp]

This forum is a cesspool of deep south racism.

Hmmmm no its not racism...its hardworking Taxpayers..who have had it with all the handouts and the whining that has progressed to terrorism...the goose that has been giving irrationally for decades has no more golden eggs..and these threats against the 97 percent that ARE the taxpayers have had enough, and demands are being made of the leadership...and Strong negative reaction by some truly pissed off Canadians are far beyond the simmering point..
A strong word of caution...be careful of just what you are demanding...theor are consequences for being unreasonable
We know yoir point Red...dont go poking the BEAR....comprendez vous?
I was born on a reserve, was raised on the edge of a rez...dirt poor in spite of a wonderful Father who worked his ass off till the day he died, I worked for 38 years without never bei g unemployed, never late for work not once on those 38 years , I really have no time for those who claim special tx, nor use threats of terrorism for unreasonable entitlements...

I owe you nor any first nation anything but equallity...they are my equal, co-Canadians.it Is Still Canada..walk beside me and I will work along side them..together....demand more and ridk losing that co-operation ...reality check this is the majority of Canadians feelings...
However I sense that feeling of entitlement will over ride common sense and fairness..

Cheers
Steven

[Jagermeister]

Hmmmm no its not racism...its hardworking Taxpayers..who have had it with all the handouts and the whining that has progressed to terrorism...the goose that has been giving irrationally for decades has no more golden eggs..and these threats against the 97 percent that ARE the taxpayers have had enough, and demands are being made of the leadership...and Strong negative reaction by some truly pissed off Canadians are far beyond the simmering point..
A strong word of caution...be careful of just what you are demanding...theor are consequences for being unreasonable
We know yoir point Red...dont go poking the BEAR....comprendez vous?
I was born on a reserve, was raised on the edge of a rez...dirt poor in spite of a wonderful Father who worked his ass off till the day he died, I worked for 38 years without never bei g unemployed, never late for work not once on those 38 years , I really have no time for those who claim special tx, nor use threats of terrorism for unreasonable entitlements...

I owe you nor any first nation anything but equallity...they are my equal, co-Canadians.it Is Still Canada..walk beside me and I will work along side them..together....demand more and ridk losing that co-operation ...reality check this is the majority of Canadians feelings...
However I sense that feeling of entitlement will over ride common sense and fairness..

Cheers
Steven
Very good advice. Sadly, the intended eyes cannot see for they are tainted with hatred and racist overtones toward the hand that feeds the body.

[Kami]

Close the Hiway through New Hazelton. Shut down the tracks and re-route where possible. Hire that huge Russian chopper to pick up semi trailers and fly 'em into into Terrace and Rupert 24/7. Take every D10 possible and de-activate the whitey Hi way we built. Dig a moat around the reserve. Put up a barb wire fence with armed towers.

Sound ridiculous? It'd be cheaper than what 's coming.

This is is ridiculous nonsense. Blocking CP Rail is worth about 1 million an hour to them. If we can't get our products to port...Not good.

[Papa Sasquatch]

Racism is like any other discrimination. Too often referred to as Cultural privilege. It is no more then a human emotion of us vs them. FN is racist, The Indo Community is racist against whites and so are all the other minorities that were welcome into Canada. FN had it much better then southern neighbours and are dealing with a woosy Canadian legal system that hands out money like their is no bottom to what tax payers will bare. Of course white folks discriminate and that will go on for as long as we accept the Hyphens next to the Canadian nationality. Men vs Women is no different and has nothing to do with gender. Like all and any other discrimination. It is really much more simpler then that. It is all easily explain as "insecurities". FN may have cause to be in-secured and Canadian are equally in-secured by the actions of FN. Anyhow I am not stopping at Kitwanga no more. Planning is all it takes. Running over anyone is stupid. Think before you say stupid shiit. It would damage the car, leave a mess deep into all mechanical crevasses. It would end up smelling real bad and its against the law, so there.

[Brett]

Interesting read



To get a couple of things out of the way, firstly I can’t say I’m especially pleased with the tenor of the news coverage accompanying this decision. It’s as though the judges have created new law, or found something wholly unprecedented, and they most certainly have not. What is certainly “new” is that this decision has clarified the already-existing law and the protocols and rules governing the relationship between the Crown and First Nations where no treaties have provided otherwise. Apart from that, all glory belongs to the Tsilhq’otin alone.
Despite what certain lazy and disingenuous politicians and special-interest groups will want you to think, a sturdy body of aboriginal rights law, honored in its breach as much as otherwise, has been there for quite some time. All this “golly gee we had no idea” simply won’t do. The aboriginal rights in question, affirmed in Section 35 of the Constitution Act 1982, have been explained and elucidated in a series of decisions that the judges in today’s ruling cited, not least the Sparrow case, the Gladstone case, and also Delgamuukw Versus The Queen (since I’m hornblowing a bit I might add that I wrote a book about the backstory to that case, too – A Death Feast in Dimlahamid (http://www.newstarbooks.com/book.php?book_id=0921586647).)
Similarly, we should not be so quick to characterize today’s findings as being a matter of judges having magically “granted” the Tsilhqot’in legal title to their lands in the Xeni Gwet’in; those lands were Xeni Gwet’in lands all along, and most definitively, I’m confident enough to suggest, since 1864. As we shall see in a moment.
The other thing to get out of the way is that no matter what you might hear, the Supremes have not ruled that aboriginal “consent” is required of governments that might want to authorize the cutting of trees, the laying of pipelines, or the excavation of mines. The underlying Crown title to unceded aboriginal lands is still there. Across British Columbia, the flags are still flying on all government buildings. Relax.
The thing is, the law already (viz Delgamuukw) makes plain that aboriginal title is a very big deal, and it extends even to the right of aboriginal people in unceded-land areas to cut trees on Crown land, lay their own pipelines and excavate their own mines, if they so choose, so long as the rights that gave rise to that title – hunting, harvesting, and so on – are not extinguished in the process.
The immediate injustice the Tsilhqot’in community of Xeni Gwet’in set out to address in this case was that the British Columbia Forest Act was written, and logging was authorized under it, as though aboriginal title did not even exist. And that’s just the Forest Act. This is the dirty little secret behind much of the hubbub-making on these subjects West of the Rockies. As the judges put it in today’s ruling, “the Province’s land use planning and forestry authorizations under the Forest Act were inconsistent with its duties owed to the Tsilhqot’in people.” We should tolerate none of that carry-on after today’s decision, to be sure.
However, subject to the appropriate constitutional limits, of course, “provincial governments have the power to regulate land use within the province. This applies to all lands, whether held by the Crown, by private owners, or by the holders of Aboriginal title.” When we come to this question: “What remains, then, of the Crown’s radical or underlying title to lands held under Aboriginal title?” The judges answer: “The authorities suggest two related elements — a fiduciary duty owed by the Crown to Aboriginal people when dealing with Aboriginal lands, and the right to encroach on Aboriginal title if the government can justify this in the broader public interest under s. 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982.”
As for aboriginal “consent,” it is definitely very much to be desired, as always, but infringements that may unavoidably arise in the course of authorizing a valid public purpose that encroaches on aboriginal title – like the cutting of trees, the laying of pipelines, the excavation of mines – can be justified so long as the Crown acts on its fiduciary duties to behave in good faith, consult fully and meaningfully, accommodate aboriginal interests, minimize infringements, and so on. It’s really not that complicated.

[srupp]

Hmmm injustice is 97 % taxpayers putting up with this shyt...you can not punish the taxpayer for 100 year old decisions..it is absurbly riduculous and punitive in the extreme to try and do what has been done...there will be an uprising for segregating BC based on race and trying to give 3% special tx based on race...that too is against the constitution..the rank and file WILL rise up andthe government will be forced into action...ultimatly no one wins especially your children..I dont care about the books written some will always profit off injustice..this is fundamentally wrong....what is best for society? Not this BS

Steven

[RB2]

Sooner or later some drunk FN or some drunk other race is going to shoot someone. I hope this does not happen, but when it does shat will really hit the fan. It's sad where this is going. Nothing but greed and money on both sides. Should be equal rights for all Canadians.

[1899]

Can it be reliably documented that it was an intentional act? Not that Indians died of small pox, but that it was an orchestrated event. Throughout the world people have died en-mass when confronted with a disease that they have never built an immunity to. All it would take would be inter-travel with neighbouring bands for it to spread quickly. One Potlach and half the coast is affected, then the over lap during, hunting, fishing, trading and raiding season would start a swift chain re-action.

I'm certainly not convinced that the government at the time would do that, nor is it at all consistent with the way they handled Indians at the time. And the traders needed the Indians to supply the furs, so if you want eggs, you have to keep the chickens alive.

With the "re-write" of our history, some things get a new sinister slant just because the authours can.

Unfortunately there are many documented cases of serious mistreatment. On example is the "nutritional testing" done by the government on several Manitoba reserves and in 6 residential schools. There are lots of documented large scale abuses throughout the last +100 years. Most people don't know about it because it has been swept under the rug and it is not taught in elementary/secondary school.

[Jelvis]

It's not did they do it on purpose when the whites gave filthy infected blankets that were around the dead of the small pox victims it was they used the wrapping blankets of the dead people after dying of small pox after burial and issued these same death blankets to all the Indians. With a warm looking smile to hide their guilty faces. I'd be ashamed to call myself a Christian doing that, and knowing what I was doing was inhuman. More like the grim reaper or a spirit from the dark side doing his deed.
The problem was they dint give them shots to stop it, they were given to the whites.
So the Indians were not vaccinated like all the other side equation.
Basically a genocide of a nation of human beings. A crime of giving a dah zeez and not the cure. And using the cure only on the non Indians, says there's something wrong here to some this is genocide and made to hide from justice.
Thar 4 many of the Indians died from the small pox and TB. Measles, mumps, genital warts and what all these new immigrants brought over from their mother country of sickness and despair spread to the unvaccinated Indians of the pristine shores off the pure unadulterated BC coastal tribes. I'm loozin it folks sorry but I had too ok? It's about why?
Why wood anybody do this to some other human?
Jel ( It's time) Lee On Rymes -- "A fool could see this ain't right."
"But a moron can not C dah bright shining Light."
You might be right but I ain't wrong -- Kid Rock.

[steel_ram]

It's not did they do it on purpose when the whites gave filthy infected blankets that were around the dead of the small pox victims it was they used the wrapping blankets of the dead people after dying of small pox after burial and issued these same death blankets to all the Indians. With a warm looking smile to hide their guilty faces. I'd be ashamed to call myself a Christian doing that, and knowing what I was doing was inhuman. More like the grim reaper or a spirit from the dark side doing his deed.
The problem was they dint give them shots to stop it, they were given to the whites.
So the Indians were not vaccinated like all the other side equation.
Basically a genocide of a nation of human beings. A crime of giving a dah zeez and not the cure. And using the cure only on the non Indians, says there's something wrong here to some this is genocide and made to hide from justice.
Thar 4 many of the Indians died from the small pox and TB. Measles, mumps, genital warts and what all these new immigrants brought over from their mother country of sickness and despair spread to the unvaccinated Indians of the pristine shores off the pure unadulterated BC coastal tribes. I'm loozin it folks sorry but I had too ok? It's about why?
Why wood anybody do this to some other human?
Jel ( It's time) Lee On Rymes -- "A fool could see this ain't right."
"But a moron can not C dah bright shining Light."
You might be right but I ain't wrong -- Kid Rock.

Genocide? Small Pox killed native and non-native people alike in N. America in the later part of the 18th century. Vaccine was just starting to get widely distributed in the early part of the 19th century. FN's probably had some nasties to in turn share with the new arrivals as well.;)

[Gateholio]

The blanket thing is largely a myth. Heres a pretty well researched article on the topic of smallpox in BC. Stephen Hume is often pretty biased and judgmental, but this appears to be full of easily supported facts:

http://haidagwaiihistory.blogspot.ca/2012/04/1862-smallpox-epidemic.html

[gutpile]

All this talk about what the white ass's did to the red ass's will go on forever , unless there is forgiveness this will never end.
People did worse things throughout history to each other then what happen to the red ass's in Canada.
Look up the history of what the indians did to other indians taking slave's , raping women, cutting women's nose's off , ect .
Where is the compensation for these past wrongs ? How far back do we go ?

[RB2]

All this talk about what the white ass's did to the red ass's will go on forever , unless there is forgiveness this will never end.
People did worse things throughout history to each other then what happen to the red ass's in Canada.
Look up the history of what the indians did to other indians taking slave's , raping women, cutting women's nose's off , ect .
Where is the compensation for these past wrongs ? How far back do we go ?

Well said!

[Jelvis]

gut yah should ah been a preacher man, you almost had me crying.
your ass is whiter than snow hahahaha
You can forgive butt yah gotta forget too, without forgetting and moving on, you go back to the garbage bin and lift the lid for another look. Another sniff of rot.
It's time to move forward in life.
You say people did worse things to others then the red butts. What's worth than killin?
Don't go over board and drown in pretending you forgave because you ain't forgettin your looking back Jack to see your rear view.
Who cares what Indians did to other Indians that ain't your bees wax.
Some Indian hurt another Indian? What? I can't believe that, lol sounds pretty weak to me, he said, she said type of conversation.
It's time to bury the hatchet.
Lay it down and I'll match it.
You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, ask Ken Partridge
It's not about paying past wrongs back, it's about paying rent brother, ever paid rent? You paid last month's, this month's and the next month unless you want to check out?
Stacks of letters of people who want to work. You know how much yad B mist. Stick your arm into a full 45 gal drum of water, take it out, that's how much you'd be mist.
You would have killed to get the job then when yah got it yah started be atch chin.
Jel ( Hard Nozed) Leader of dah Crem -- Hit me! I'm losin it folks have a minute? I'm shakin rattlin and rollin -- please help.

[Kami]

WTH? Jel put down the pipe. Lol.

[ElectricDyck]

WTH? Jel put down the pipe. Lol.

Just hit the ignore button, you'll never see another post, I've ignored him for years.

[coug]

They can come on our land but we cannot go on their(our land). Lets blockade them onto their (our) land and see what happens.

You mean blockade them on 1 to 2 thirds of Canada's land mass?
You will have to evacuate/vacate a lot of cities including Vancouver.

[Drillbit]

^ Just give them Quebec, all of it