Springer Spanial wanted

[lip_ripper00]

A friend is looking for a Springer puppy, hunting family but I don't think the dog would be hunted. They are looking for a family pet. Their is a litter in 150 mile, an ad on kijji. I am a little sceptical about him buying a pup from the internet, anyone know about a breeder in this area? Or who might have puppies on the ground? Thanks

[Cedar Cowgirl]

2 good litters on the ground right now The first is out of a litter sister of our Casey dog and by an English bred Male
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?107379-Field-Bred-ESS-pups-for-sale
The second is also from my hubby's bloodlines and are full siblings to our Casey dog.
http://www.donalleynakennels.com/

These pups are 8 generations of Foxton Gundogs bloodlines, I highly recommend these pups you cant go wrong for temperament, health and hunting ability. Feel free to PM me if you would like more info.

[Steelie64]

http://www.gleneirekennels.com/
I have a pup from here, she is 16 months old now and is a great family pet. Highly recommend them. Not cheap but you know what they say " you get what you pay for"
They are show stock not field.

[Foxton Gundogs]

PM sent before I read the whole thread. Cedar Cowgirl just about nailed it.

[835]

She was the second post Jim!!
you just saw "Springer wanted" and jumped on it! lol

[Foxton Gundogs]

Your are right 835, all that showed on my screen was Lip Rippers should have looked at the whole thread. Just a note, if you want a pet/Gundog, be sure to get a 100% FIELD BRED pup. Unfortunately, there is one of the biggest split between show and Field Springers in the dog world.

[Kudu]

A friend is looking for a Springer puppy, hunting family but I don't think the dog would be hunted. They are looking for a family pet. Their is a litter in 150 mile, an ad on kijji. I am a little sceptical about him buying a pup from the internet, anyone know about a breeder in this area? Or who might have puppies on the ground? Thanks

Steve you met Brandy on a duck hunt - speak to Jim(Foxton) and get one of her grandchildren - you won't go wrong!

(Just don't tell them Granny is an England fan! :mrgreen:)

[Foxton Gundogs]

Here is some interesting, and pretty good reading for the Show/Field split debate.
http://www.essft.com/fieldshow.html

Show type Springer
http://www.essfta.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Web_305SOYWynmoorChampaigneSuperNova.jpg (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=lKou7eG5l-rNFM&tbnid=O74xhEI4GHlReM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.essfta.org%2Fabout-the-essfta%2Fawards-and-achievements%2F2011-conformation-performance-and-field-awards%2Fbench%2F&ei=1lSsU63tMNKzyATFz4DoAg&bvm=bv.69837884,d.aWw&psig=AFQjCNGp4lMMRj4BtX9cPW77FKJ7WOejMg&ust=1403889225049880)

Field Type Springer

http://cdn.mysmelly.com/image:/sitefs/perm/pi/c/3/6/j/401.330.0_rkthmcqd434n.jpg (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=mMDIhN5eni4RNM&tbnid=PnipB5UbXbxe2M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmysmelly.com%2Fcontent%2Fdogs%2Fd og-breeds-that-get-along-with-cats.htm&ei=VFWsU7rMMsO3yAS15oH4DQ&bvm=bv.69837884,d.aWw&psig=AFQjCNGp4lMMRj4BtX9cPW77FKJ7WOejMg&ust=1403889225049880)

[albravo2]

Wow. Quite a difference between show and field. I probably shouldn't be so surprised, we have the same difference in humans. More of a field dog, personally.

I know which one I'd want in my truck.

[Montana]

Don't be afraid to search the internet if you can't find a pup locally..... Just go with a long time, established breeder.. Most reputable breeders will have a waiting list...not all, but many... Take a look at the ESSFT website...http://www.essft.com/breeder.html Most all of these breeders have been around a very long time. If they don't have a pup available, they would be a good resource to point you to someone who might (and perhaps someone relatively close to you). The internet has opened up all kinds of opportunities for people looking for a quality pup.... We are no longer limited to what we can find locally. Sometimes we can find a great pup near where we live, but more often than not that's not the case.. You can get a pup from the best lines in North America via the internet.. Yes, it's a little more costly but why settle for something mediocre? You're going to have the dog for probably close to 14 years.... Might was well start with the best!!!!

[Montana]

Here's two female pups I just bought recently via the internet and a B/W male I got last fall.... One female came from Illinois and the other came from New York... The male came from New Jersey.... All were bought sight unseen. I let the breeders pick out a pup for me....I explained what I was looking for and left it up to them. Extremely well bred pups and it shows. I've done a lot of research over the years and know what to expect from different bloodlines, etc... I've been breeding Springers for the past 26 years now and have bought 12 pups over the years....all either from internet adds or magazine adds (before the internet)...I've never actually gone to a breeder's kennel and picked up a pup.. Do your homework, and you'll get a nice pup...


"Buckshot"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/stonebroke/Buckshot-May202014021_zps4629ff48.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/stonebroke/media/Buckshot-May202014021_zps4629ff48.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/stonebroke/Buckshotr-May202014070_zps8d415d25.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/stonebroke/media/Buckshotr-May202014070_zps8d415d25.jpg.html)

"Sage"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/stonebroke/Dog%20Photos/Sage-June242014P1000908_zps1af1e7e4.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/stonebroke/media/Dog%20Photos/Sage-June242014P1000908_zps1af1e7e4.jpg.html)


"Lizzie Belle"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/stonebroke/Dog%20Photos/LizzieBelle-June242014P1000921_zps640bc5de.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/stonebroke/media/Dog%20Photos/LizzieBelle-June242014P1000921_zps640bc5de.jpg.html)


"Sage" and "Lizzie Belle"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/stonebroke/Dog%20Photos/SpringerPups-LizzieBellandSage-June232014013_zpse4a6dce1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/stonebroke/media/Dog%20Photos/SpringerPups-LizzieBellandSage-June232014013_zpse4a6dce1.jpg.html)

[Foxton Gundogs]

Don't be afraid to search the internet if you can't find a pup locally..... Just go with a long time, established breeder.. Most reputable breeders will have a waiting list...not all, but many... Take a look at the ESSFT website...http://www.essft.com/breeder.html Most all of these breeders have been around a very long time. If they don't have a pup available, they would be a good resource to point you to someone who might (and perhaps someone relatively close to you). The internet has opened up all kinds of opportunities for people looking for a quality pup.... We are no longer limited to what we can find locally. Sometimes we can find a great pup near where we live, but more often than not that's not the case.. You can get a pup from the best lines in North America via the internet.. Yes, it's a little more costly but why settle for something mediocre? You're going to have the dog for probably close to 14 years.... Might was well start with the best!!!!

Well said Tim. I have brought dogs in to BC from the eastern USA and the UK because they were what I wanted for my breeding program. As said Montana said it isn't cheap but to me it was well worth it. Unfortunately there are not a lot of breeders of quality Field Bred Springers in BC and even fewer in the LML. The 2 litters suggested by Cedar Cowgirl are virtually in the OPs "back yard" compared to some I've both imported from and exported to. You can't go wrong with either some notable bloodlines in those litters are CNFC Rolling Oaks Sumday Bud, FC/CFC Robinsmoor Frolic, FC/CFC Lady Guinevere II, FC/CNFC Sherwoods Ace In The Hole to name a few, and are both proven gundog bloodlines.


This pup is from the same blood lines, already working at 10 weeks

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n499/FoxtonGundogs/lilprince.jpg (http://s1136.photobucket.com/user/FoxtonGundogs/media/lilprince.jpg.html)

[Montana]

You name some great dogs there....great looking pup too. My old Rosie was a granddaughter of Sherwood's Ace in the Hole.. Not many quality Field-Bred Pups in the west in general these days, Jim... I don't know why, but there just aren't many litters around Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, etc... I place a lot of pups in Washington and Oregon also as well as Alberta and Saskatchewan... I only have one and sometimes two litters a year and can't begin to meet the demand... I get phone calls and e-mails daily from people wanting a pup. Right now I have a two year waiting list and am not taking any more reservations... One to two litters a year is a lot of fun... More than that and it becomes work!!!

[Foxton Gundogs]

You name some great dogs there....great looking pup too. My old Rosie was a granddaughter of Sherwood's Ace in the Hole.. Not many quality Field-Bred Pups in the west in general these days, Jim... I don't know why, but there just aren't many litters around Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, etc... I place a lot of pups in Washington and Oregon also as well as Alberta and Saskatchewan... I only have one and sometimes two litters a year and can't begin to meet the demand... I get phone calls and e-mails daily from people wanting a pup. Right now I have a two year waiting list and am not taking any more reservations... One to two litters a year is a lot of fun... More than that and it becomes work!!!

Yah you got that and I don't get it either Tim. I also try for 2 a year but lately it hasn't been in the cards my last litter I sold 1 pup locally and the rest went all over BC and Alberta and I could have sold twice as many. The bigger problem is weeding out the people I am WILLING to sell pups to.

[Montana]

You name some great dogs there....great looking pup too. My old Rosie was a granddaughter of Sherwood's Ace in the Hole.. Not many quality Field-Bred Pups in the west in general these days, Jim... I don't know why, but there just aren't many litters around Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, etc... I place a lot of pups in Washington and Oregon also as well as Alberta and Saskatchewan... I only have one and sometimes two litters a year and can't begin to meet the demand... I get phone calls and e-mails daily from people wanting a pup. Right now I have a two year waiting list and am not taking any more reservations... One to two litters a year is a lot of fun... More than that and it becomes work!!!

Yah you got that and I don't get it either Tim. I also try for 2 a year but lately it hasn't been in the cards my last litter I sold 1 pup locally and the rest went all over BC and Alberta and I could have sold twice as many. The bigger problem is weeding out the people I am WILLING to sell pups to.

Jim,
Weeding out people is becoming more and more of a problem. Years ago everyone that contacted me was looking for a hunting/family companion.. A few were looking for trial dogs, but most wanted a good hunting dog. That last few years I'm getting more and more people who want a Field-Bred Springer for a family pet only. I appreciate them being honest and not saying that are going to hunt the dog when they're not..... What I'm seeing is that too many people think they're "Pretty".... I've had requests from people whose primary concern is that the pup have "freckles on its nose".... Others want the tail undocked because a long tail is so pretty.... Let them see a raw, bloody tail after a days hunt and they'd think differently, but these people have no intentions of hunting. There is a group trying to establish Field-Bred springers as a separate breed so they can write a breed standard and show them in the ring... I think they want to call them "Field Springers"... Few things could be worse for the field-bred Springer than for a group whose main interest is showing them in the ring.... We'd soon have a split in the Field-Bred lines...

At any rate, we've gotten off the topic here..... :)

[Foxton Gundogs]

[QUOTE=Foxton Gundogs;1511844]

Jim,
Weeding out people is becoming more and more of a problem. Years ago everyone that contacted me was looking for a hunting/family companion.. A few were looking for trial dogs, but most wanted a good hunting dog. That last few years I'm getting more and more people who want a Field-Bred Springer for a family pet only. I appreciate them being honest and not saying that are going to hunt the dog when they're not..... What I'm seeing is that too many people think they're "Pretty".... I've had requests from people whose primary concern is that the pup have "freckles on its nose".... Others want the tail undocked because a long tail is so pretty.... Let them see a raw, bloody tail after a days hunt and they'd think differently, but these people have no intentions of hunting. There is a group trying to establish Field-Bred springers as a separate breed so they can write a breed standard and show them in the ring... I think they want to call them "Field Springers"... Few things could be worse for the field-bred Springer than for a group whose main interest is showing them in the ring.... We'd soon have a split in the Field-Bred lines...

At any rate, we've gotten off the topic here..... :)

We have, but you bring up a good point whit people wanting Field dogs for pets. A couple of reasons I get is that they are better tempermented than the show dogs where apparently most cases of so called "Springer Rage Syndrome" lies. I am not sure iff that is true but I can say that since 1984 I have not witnessed one case in a Field bred dog. Perhaps it stems from the fact that the field dogs still have an know their purpose in life, where as many of the bench dogs are so fare removed from their roots and reason for being that the are "lost" and frustration takes over. I hope people take a little away from our "conversation" Tim, IF they do then maybe getting a bit off topic isn't a bad thing

[BiG Boar]

I'd recommend one of foxtons springers for this. Very friendly dog Kudu has there.

[FirePower]

Montana and Foxton are spot on in their discussion. I to have a Foxton spaniel and concur with BiG Boar, I have been working with spaniels since I was a wee lad and it is as fone a rough shooting dog as I have owned.

[Hillbros_96]

I also have a Foxton dog and she is great.

[Montana]

Jim,
There used to be a breeder in Missoula by the name of Glen Martyn who had Firewind Kennels. He has since moved to California, but he was a genetics expert and told me he had traced the "Springer Rage" deal back to what he called "East Coast Show Lines". Glen not only hunted his springers, but also trained them for the County Sheriff's dept. (search and rescue I believe), for the hearing impaired, etc.). He told me he could find no instances of Springer Rage in Field-Bred Springers. That's doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but during his research he could not find any cases...

[RebuiltMosin]

I know Linda at someday retrievers has a litter coming due at the end of July http://www.somedayretrievers.com
i only know cause I got the mumma laying here next to me sweet springer smart as he'll she just needs a little more polishing in the field.

[Montana]

I know Linda at someday retrievers has a litter coming due at the end of July http://www.somedayretrievers.com
i only know cause I got the mumma laying here next to me sweet springer smart as he'll she just needs a little more polishing in the field.

I just looked at their website..... No photos and no pedigrees of the Springers they are breeding (and very few photos and no pedigrees for their labs)??? These breeders are probably very reputable, but it really isn't reflected in t heir website. Red flags for me are the number of litters they have each year (7), and the fact that they seem overly focused on breeding for specific colors in their labs.

As a breeder myself, I know how much time a litter takes.. I have no more than two litters a year and to give the pups the attention they need takes a lot of time. Puppies need a lot of attention to really develop their full potential and I personally believe the time I have them before they go to their new homes is absolutely crucial... They need individual attention...walks afield when they are old enough to get around, socialization (with other people and other dogs), etc., etc., etc.,... I have two pups here right now I got from two different breeders....both were actually born on the same day. One was from a larger breeder back east, the other from a guy who has one litter per year in the midwest... I can tell you from my experience over the years which pup is going to excel... The pup from the larger breeder is a nice pup, but she's not even close to the other pup as far as pretty much everything... Whether she'll catch up is hard to say, but I'm going to have to spend a lot of time with her... The other pups is much more "people oriented"...she has to be with me and just eats up attention... She's bird crazy, does everything with enthusiasm, etc... Both are extremely well bred as far as their pedigrees go, but It's obvious to me that one has received far more attention than the other before I got them...

I have a lot of people who have had many springers over the years tell me the pup they got from me is the best pup they've ever had..... My dogs are from outstanding bloodlines, but no better than many, many other dogs.... I believe the difference is the time I spend with the puppies. My pups are born in the house. I have a litter of 8 that are a week old in the kitchen right now....they'll be there until they outgrow their whelping area (another 2 weeks or so). They are handled several times a day... Friends and neighbors who stop by handle the pups. My other dogs are in and out of the house during the day, etc... When they are old enough, I'll take them on walks daily...they'll chase butterflys, a wing on a string, sniff a few pigeons, wade in a kiddy pool, etc.... Young brains are like a sponge and they need exposure to as many things as possible to develop to their full potential... Can a breeder do this with 7 litters a year? I honestly doubt it...

Color: It's hard enough to breed for a sound temperament, trainability, brains, natural instincts, and proper conformation without throwing color into the mix... In my opinion, when breeding for color other more important factors are compromised.... Like they say, "A good horse can't be a bad color"....same theory applies to dogs.

OK...so much for the negatives.. What I do like about this breeder's website is that they do the health clearances...hips, eyes, EIC, etc... that does show that they are taking the right steps in that direction, but keep in mind that those clearances are just the preliminary steps when determining if a dog is of breeding quality.. Too many people think if a dog has hip and eye certification that they are automatically of breeding quality...wrong. That's just the basic requirement.. A dog has to have a sound temperament, brains, sound conformation, and a ton of natural ability before it should be considered for breeding.......

Enough.......

[RebuiltMosin]

Might have hit a nerve there......

Was,just pointing out there is a litter coming due although I do have a huge amount of respect for your knowledge on the breeding areas. Her website could use a few more pictures but the springer pups wouldn't be up yet since mumma dog isn't due til July 23.

[Cedar Cowgirl]

With 2 very good litters on the ground right now I don't think the OP will have trouble finding a great new hunting companion.

[Montana]

No nerve hit here... :) I have no idea who this breeder is and was just commenting on what I did and didn't see on the website. So, they breed Labs, German Wirehaired Pointers, and Springers? Anything else? If they can breed that many different breeds, have 7 or more litters a year and do a great job I tip my hat to them....

[Donalleyna]

I'm pretty sure I am the breeder in 150 Mile House, I have a great reputation as well as 12 of the little rats running around right now. I understand your hesitation about long distance shopping, but most people with litters also come with references, it's not just buyers that get checked out! feel free to get my contact info from Foxton if you'd like to chat

[Foxton Gundogs]

I'm pretty sure I am the breeder in 150 Mile House, I have a great reputation as well as 12 of the little rats running around right now. I understand your hesitation about long distance shopping, but most people with litters also come with references, it's not just buyers that get checked out! feel free to get my contact info from Foxton if you'd like to chat

I would be happy to do so. I know both Sire (a Foxton bred dog and son of the 2004 CNFTC) pictured in Donaleyna's avatar and the Dam(who I imported from Maine). I own a full brother to this litter, he is a great gundog and loving family pet. When I first brought him home we would wrap him in a blanket and let him sleep on our lap, he will still, at almost 3 yrs., sometimes drag a blanket or towel over and sit at out feet waiting to be asked up and covered with the blanket. You cant go wrong with these pups.

[DLochrie]

Good day, we have 2 males left from our litter that was born January 16th. Both parents are great hunters and fantastic family members.
Puppies are liver and white, feel free to contact me if you are interested, we live in Mission BC

[Foxton Gundogs]

Just be sure of all health checks, and a working ped agree FTC, CFTC, NFTC AFC MH etc are all field titles. Ch, OTCH, are show and obedience titles and have nothing to do with Field Work.

[DLochrie]

I have 2 males left, liver and white, born January 16th