What to look for in African hunting safaris/outfitters?

[russm86]

One day, hopefully sooner than later, I'd like to do an African hunting safari. I don't have any dates or anything set yet just in the very early preliminary stages of figuring it all out and planning and saving up for it. Trying to gather some information for starting points so a few questions for those that have been or have close friends/relatives that have been.

1) How do you go about finding a legitimate well established outfitter? Anything specific to ask or look for? Does anyone have any outfitters they have used that they would recommend?

2) When all is said and done at the end of the day and the dust settles, what is a realistic total cost for such an adventure? I have found a few outfitters with hunting packages that seem reasonable, but had a hard time figuring out what commercial flights to Africa would run me and any extra things not usually included in the packages like shipping of trophies etc. Not looking at any dangerous game things at this point would likely start with some type of plains game package hunt.

3) Would you have any taxidermy done in Africa and shipped completed or have them dipped/treated and shipped "raw" to have someone here finish it?

4) I notice most Safaris offer their own firearms for you to rent to use. Do you recommend taking your own or is it too much of a pain in the butt to do all the travelling and importation with your own?

Any other information you think would be valuable input is also appreciated.

Thank you.

[The Dawg]

PM Ambush.

[Blainer]

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?82598-AFRICA-2012-now-scratched-from-bucket-list!

http://www.kubusisafaris.co.za/

http://www.africansafarisint.com/catalog/main.php?cat_id=4

[phred123425]

PM sent with reference to your queries.

[hunter fisher]

PM sent with reference to your queries.


could you copy and paste your pm? I've toyed around with an african safari and would like to learn more

[1/2 slam]

I've been twice. Working on a third. The first 2 were with Chamanzi zulu safaris. I'd hunt with them again.

http://www.chamanzizulusafaris.co.za/

[Steve W]

1) How do you go about finding a legitimate well established outfitter? Anything specific to ask or look for? Does anyone have any outfitters they have used that they would recommend?

I went to Namibia in 2012 and hunted with Shoenfeld Safaries. One of our group went to the SCI convention and talked to several outfitters before choosing Shoenfeld. The SCI convention allowed for face to face discussion with the outfitter. Fees and costs were discussed during that time. The hunting,service and personnel on my hunt was excellent. I would hunt with them again.

2) When all is said and done at the end of the day and the dust settles, what is a realistic total cost for such an adventure? I have found a few outfitters with hunting packages that seem reasonable, but had a hard time figuring out what commercial flights to Africa would run me and any extra things not usually included in the packages like shipping of trophies etc. Not looking at any dangerous game things at this point would likely start with some type of plains game package hunt.

This could vary quite a bit from outfitter to outfitter. On my hunt each animal had it's own trophy fee based on effort needed to get one and availability of that species of animal. If you wound it and don't recover it, you pay the full trophy fee. There are also transfer costs to and from airport and between concession if the distances are considerable. Shipping trophy's was expensive for some in our group. I had European mounts done so my shipping was pretty reasonable. Some outfitters have space in their calendar too fill so you can negotiate prices with them.

3) Would you have any taxidermy done in Africa and shipped completed or have them dipped/treated and shipped "raw" to have someone here finish it?

We had our taxidermy done in Africa and from all the mounts I've seen from our hunt, the work was excellent and the prices as quoted. The taxidermist came right to the outfitter's on our last day and picked up out animals and took our orders. Shipping is the unknown based on types of mounts. Big mounts require big crates and lots of room. We elected to have our mounts shipped by air and not by sea. It wasn't that much more expensive and a lot faster. They were shipped to a broker here in Canada who handle all the importation paperwork for us for a reasonable fee. I would repeat this on any future hunts.

4) I notice most Safaris offer their own firearms for you to rent to use. Do you recommend taking your own or is it too much of a pain in the butt to do all the travelling and importation with your own?

Of our group I was the only one who rented a firearm. I stayed on after the hunt for a few days so having to pack a firearm around would have been complicated for that part of the trip. Those in our group who took their own firearms didn't have any problems. Some paperwork before going and a form to fill in when we arrived. I used a Blaser 300 mag with an incredible German made scope. Bullets are very expensive in Namibia so they charged me per round too. I would do it again that way if I had too. The cost of permits and other related fees was pretty close to the firearm rental I paid. Our flight was in two legs. Canada to Germany then onto Namibia. In Germany we were escorted by plainclothes officers to a secure storage area for the firearms while in the airport. Not sure if this is "normal" as we did see other firearm cases be moved about, most likely by German residents though. Even this was not complicated, just unexpected.

Any other information you think would be valuable input is also appreciated.

It's a lot of pieces to put together to make sure you have a good trip. PM me with any questions and I pass along what I can.

[1/2 slam]

One day, hopefully sooner than later, I'd like to do an African hunting safari. I don't have any dates or anything set yet just in the very early preliminary stages of figuring it all out and planning and saving up for it. Trying to gather some information for starting points so a few questions for those that have been or have close friends/relatives that have been.

1) How do you go about finding a legitimate well established outfitter? Anything specific to ask or look for? Does anyone have any outfitters they have used that they would recommend?


2) When all is said and done at the end of the day and the dust settles, what is a realistic total cost for such an adventure? I have found a few outfitters with hunting packages that seem reasonable, but had a hard time figuring out what commercial flights to Africa would run me and any extra things not usually included in the packages like shipping of trophies etc. Not looking at any dangerous game things at this point would likely start with some type of plains game package hunt.


3) Would you have any taxidermy done in Africa and shipped completed or have them dipped/treated and shipped "raw" to have someone here finish it?


4) I notice most Safaris offer their own firearms for you to rent to use. Do you recommend taking your own or is it too much of a pain in the butt to do all the travelling and importation with your own?

Any other information you think would be valuable input is also appreciated.

Thank you.

1 I used Cabelas outdoor adventures and researched the outfitter as well

2 It varies from outfit to outfit, animal to animal. You are looking at Dip and pack plus shipping and Taxidermy. It can add up to as much as your trip.

3 I had my Taxidermy from my first trip done there. Most was OK but 2 were not so to answer your question no I wouldn't have it done there again

4 It can be a PITA so I use one of the outfitters. That being said I'm taking mine on my next trip.

[Argali]

For those that have hunted plains game in various countries/places in Africa, which would you prefer if you were looking for the most natural, rustic hunting experience with as few high fences and quasi-farmed animals as possible?

[pg83]

As a general rule the bigger the property, the less likely you are to see a fence. I have yet to go myself, but from research over the years I am looking at Namibia. Just like in BC, terrain changes quickly. Are you looking to hunt flatland or hills, open or bushy? You have the ability to tailor it to your desires. If you are in no rush, there is an African tradeshow that runs through Calgary in jan/feb. Might be another place to pick up a ton of info. Nothing like talking to the actual outfitter/guides.

[sheephunterab]

For those that have hunted plains game in various countries/places in Africa, which would you prefer if you were looking for the most natural, rustic hunting experience with as few high fences and quasi-farmed animals as possible?

Namibia can fit this criteria really well but if you want to hunt free range, there will be a lot less species available than on the fenced South African ranches. We are off to Namibia in July for a 100% free range, tented hunt on one of the tribal conservancies. This is our second trip to Namibia to hunt the conservancies. Namibia is very safe, relatively inexpensive for plains game and still offers plenty of free-range hunting.

[sheephunterab]

One day, hopefully sooner than later, I'd like to do an African hunting safari. I don't have any dates or anything set yet just in the very early preliminary stages of figuring it all out and planning and saving up for it. Trying to gather some information for starting points so a few questions for those that have been or have close friends/relatives that have been.

1) How do you go about finding a legitimate well established outfitter? Anything specific to ask or look for? Does anyone have any outfitters they have used that they would recommend?

2) When all is said and done at the end of the day and the dust settles, what is a realistic total cost for such an adventure? I have found a few outfitters with hunting packages that seem reasonable, but had a hard time figuring out what commercial flights to Africa would run me and any extra things not usually included in the packages like shipping of trophies etc. Not looking at any dangerous game things at this point would likely start with some type of plains game package hunt.

3) Would you have any taxidermy done in Africa and shipped completed or have them dipped/treated and shipped "raw" to have someone here finish it?

4) I notice most Safaris offer their own firearms for you to rent to use. Do you recommend taking your own or is it too much of a pain in the butt to do all the travelling and importation with your own?

Any other information you think would be valuable input is also appreciated.

Thank you.

As recommended, going to trade shows like the African shows or Safari Club International shows is a great way to short list you outfitters and then talk to past clients and do some internet searches. You may be surprised what comes up.

Without getting too crazy on the type and number of animals you shoot, you can have a heck of a hunt, excluding taxidermy for $15k. Flight to South Africa are much cheaper than the other African countries. We went last year for $1,450 and this year out Namibian flights are over $3,000. Fly with Star Alliance carriers all the way if taking own firearms.

We have always had our taxidermy done back in North America and will continue to do so.

Traveling with your own rifle does require some paperwork and additional cost but to me it's worth it.

Decide the following before even starting your search:

Budget
Species you want to hunt
Type of accommodations you want
Are you okay hunting behind a fence?
What is the minimum sized property you will hunt

These few questions will greatly limit your search.

[bogtrotter]

Russ,

1) I hunted in Botswana last summer at Kanana Safaris ( west of Gwanzi, near Namibian border). They have about 1500 sq. km. - half of it is a cattle ranch and the other is a game ranch. A great place for plains game ( duiker all the way up to eland) Very reasonable prices. You can PM me if you want more info .
2) the Canadian Food Import Branch changed the rules about importation of trophies from Africa. All trophies have to be in POST-taxidermist condition. If the trophies are determined to be not up to par, then they get sent to a decontamination centre ( closest one conveniently located in Alberta ) at your expense. These changes will probably make you think twice about how many trophies you actually bring back.
3) Just a travel tip - be sure your plane ticket is in the name in your passport i.e. don't have Jim on one and James on the other - South African Airways doesn't like that.

Good luck,

[sheephunterab]

Trophies are not required to be in a post taxidermy condition but you are correct that they must visit a CFIA approved taxidermist if not in a taxidermied state. The simplest method and cheapest option is to have your trophies shipped to the nearest city with a certified taxidermist, have him take care of treatment and then ship them directly to you or your taxidermist. It definitely adds some cost but it's not that cost prohibitive. Having CFIA turn down a shipment and then ship it to a CFIA taxidermist could get expensive but it's easy to save a lot of money with a little pre planning.

[1/2 slam]

Trophies are not required to be in a post taxidermy condition but you are correct that they must visit a CFIA approved taxidermist if not in a taxidermied state. The simplest method and cheapest option is to have your trophies shipped to the nearest city with a certified taxidermist, have him take care of treatment and then ship them directly to you or your taxidermist. It definitely adds some cost but it's not that cost prohibitive. Having CFIA turn down a shipment and then ship it to a CFIA taxidermist could get expensive but it's easy to save a lot of money with a little pre planning.

I recently got my stuff from last years trip. I immediately exported it to my taxidermist in the USA. I did all the paperwork(With the help of the USFWS) at the border. No problems at all.

[ratherbefishin]

If you just want a great hunt ,and aren't overly concerned about being in the record book,then consider a meat hunt( the locals shoot for biltong)the diference is minimal but the cost is a fraction.Look at other cats than lions,that can be virtually staged if you want real sport-and for less money.An African hunt doesn't have to cost you a fortune

[BCRiverBoater]

I hunted South Africa. Fenced hunts but you know that when booking. I rented guns but only because I knew people who had been to the same outfit and I knew he had good rifles. For 10 days of hunting it was only $100 for the rifle and ammo. I also did my taxidermy over there. I read up and knew people who used the same taxidermist so I knew what I was getting. I had 10 animals done (1 full and 9 shoulders) and delivered within 8 months. The cost with shipping was less then half then having them done here and that isn't including the cost I would have for dipping and shipping the horns and hides. With plane ticket, 10 days hunting, 10 animals, spending money, 2 days at a game reserve, trophy fees, tip, shipping and taxidermy I was under $20k. I have a thread here with a ton of stories and pics.

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?65833-South-Africa-2012