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Rackem
02-27-2014, 12:33 PM
I haven't been able to find this on any joke sites, so maybe they actually do this over there...seems like it wouldn't work, you would think that the holes would just freeze over every night...

http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/russian-conservationists-drill-25000-ice-holes-save-suffocating-fish/


Conservationists in Russia’s Astrakhan region have drilled more than 25,000 holes in the ice to prevent a major fish kill in the area’s waters. Officials told RIA Novosti (http://en.ria.ru/Environment/20140226/187883492/Russian-Environmentalists-Punch-Air-Holes-in-Ice-to-Save-Fish-.html) that thick ice in the region is suffocating fish and could lead to a major die-off. The holes were drilled at the ratio of roughly four per acre.


“Specialists drill 10-12 holes per hectare using ice augers. Then they put reeds into the holes, which allow the fish to breathe and prevent the holes from freezing over,” read a statement from the Volga-Caspian department of the Federal Fisheries Agency.


Winterkill, or fish kill caused by ice and cold, is the most common form of fish die-off. Thick ice and snow often results in a lack of dissolved oxygen in the water. This is because the ice blocks sunlight from oxygen-producing plants and the remaining oxygen is used up by the bacteria on the bottom of lakes.

Russia is not the only place hard hit by an unusually cold winter, heavily frozen rivers and streams across North America are also in danger of heavy fish die-offs.


“Winterkill begins with distressed fish gasping for air at holes in the ice and often ends with large numbers of dead fish that bloat as the water warms in early spring,” Gary Whelan, fish production manager for the Michigan Department of Natural Resources, told The Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/article/20140219/NEWS06/302190120/Michigan-DNR-Severe-winter-may-lead-to-more-fish-kills). “Dead fish and other aquatic life may appear fuzzy because of secondary infection by fungus, but the fungus was not the cause of death.”


Ice coverage in the Great Lakes was at a record high this year, with almost all of Lake Superior and Lake Erie frozen at one point. However, it is the fish in shallower bodies of water that are most vulnerable to winterkill.


“Given the harsh conditions this winter with thick ice and deep snow cover, it will be particularly common in shallow lakes and streams and ponds,” Whelan said.


Fish will not be the only animals to surface as the ice melts, Michigan officials warn that frogs, turtles, and other aquatic animals may be found early in spring.




http://huntingbc.ca/forum/images/shades_of_green/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by donnareid http://huntingbc.ca/forum/images/shades_of_green/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=1451926#post1451926)

Do the COs or other officers taking care of lakes have to cut holes through so that the fish can breath when it is frozen? How about the food, how do they get food when it is frozen and flies and bugs cannot fall in?


Hey Donna, do you come from a warm country where lakes don't freeze over? I know that my relatives in Scotland have a lot of funny questions about the way we do things here. It blows their mind that I can drive for 16 hours in one day to get to a hunting destination, as you can drive across Scotland in 3 hours. Most never leave their home village.

So to answer your question, deep lakes never freeze to the bottom. The oxygen gets trapped under the ice. Fish breathe the oxygen that is in the water, and bugs and smaller fish live in the water year round. Big fish eat small fish and whatever bugs are around in the water. Some fish nibble water weeds. But some also have a slowed metabolic rate in the winter, so they eat a lot less and don't move around a lot.

In BC, many small lakes, or pothole lakes have been stocked with game fish like Brook Trout or Rainbow Trout. These lakes are small and shallow, so there is the danger of oxygen depletion. Normally fish would not survive in these small bodies of water. but to protect the investment in stocking these lakes, an aerator or "bubbler" is installed in the lake to keep the oxygen levels high enough to ensure fish survival. The fish never need to be fed.

Even koi or goldfish survive in small ponds if you have an aerator, and they do go into a lowered metabolic rate, or hibernation state. But when the ice is off in the spring, there they are, as good as new!

Sofa King
02-27-2014, 01:31 PM
bunch of shit I think.
fish have survived forever in the Yukon and Alaska through the winters without holes being drilled or snow removed from the ice.
as long as the water is deep enough, the fish will be fine.

Rackem
02-27-2014, 01:42 PM
It just seems so bizarre!

luckofthedraw
02-27-2014, 01:45 PM
Whats bizarre to me is that Donnareid may have been onto something :) I think Russia is wasting their money on that project.

coach
02-27-2014, 01:46 PM
Jelvis lives..

Jagermeister
02-27-2014, 02:02 PM
If the theory is so out to lunch as some of you think, riddle me this then. Why do we aerate lakes around the province then?

r106
02-27-2014, 02:03 PM
Years ago I remember reading something about making holes in the ice and putting a pump in the water to boost the Oxygen in the water or something like that

Rackem
02-27-2014, 02:03 PM
But the aerated lakes do NOT freeze over due to bubbly action...

Sofa King
02-27-2014, 02:06 PM
If the theory is so out to lunch as some of you think, riddle me this then. Why do we aerate lakes around the province then?

totally different.
those are shallow lakes usually that will result in a winter-kill.
show me a large, deep lake that required being aerated.

coach
02-27-2014, 02:06 PM
Did you say, "ice holes"?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv8tVxk6Nj4

Mikey Rafiki
02-27-2014, 02:15 PM
totally different.
those are shallow lakes usually that will result in a winter-kill.
show me a large, deep lake that required being aerated.

So you're saying if a lake is large and deep it can't experience oxygen deprivation?

Sofa King
02-27-2014, 02:18 PM
So you're saying if a lake is large and deep it can't experience oxygen deprivation?

not saying it can't.
just saying I've never seen any lakes up north having to need aeration.
or even any large ones down here in the south.

Sofa King
02-27-2014, 02:19 PM
shit, if that's the case, as soon as a guy drills some holes, the fish should be practically jumping out for air.
would make ice-fishing a "hole" lot easier.

adriaticum
02-27-2014, 02:39 PM
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steel_ram
02-27-2014, 08:24 PM
Fish can suffocate in frozen over lakes. Trout are especially vulnerable. Oxygen gas to come from somewhere and it doesn't go through ice. All organisms in the lake consume it. There's enough on the net about it.

markomoose
02-27-2014, 08:45 PM
shit, if that's the case, as soon as a guy drills some holes, the fish should be practically jumping out for air.
would make ice-fishing a "hole" lot easier.

Thats funny!!

Jagermeister
02-28-2014, 01:23 PM
With no sunlight penetrating the ice, aquatic vegetation dies and decomposes releasing hydrogen sulphide and methylmercaptan also known as methanethoil. These gases blend into the water displacing the oxygen and are present in stratified layers. The greater the release of the toxic gases the less oxygen present. The condition remains until the ice is off and the water is once again exposed to an oxygen abundant atmosphere. Wave action expedites the reintroductionof oxygen.
Google "anerobic lake conditions".

Walking Buffalo
03-04-2014, 01:08 PM
There is validity to the theory.

" “Specialists drill 10-12 holes per hectare using ice augers. Then they put reeds into the holes, which allow the fish to breathe and prevent the holes from freezing over,” read a statement from the Volga-Caspian department of the Federal Fisheries Agency. "

The reeds are the key to the concept. The presence of reeds and/or cattails are often the difference in avoiding winterkill in shallow lakes.

On an 8 acre trout pond that I helped develop, low oxygen levels in March/April were a problem requiring emergency aeration. That is until we established sufficient cattail beds. Without the cattails, winterkill would occur. With cattails, winterkill was not an issue.

Sofa King
03-04-2014, 02:55 PM
I don't know why people are so close-minded. This is a normal practice in some regions that frozen lakes are cut to help fish survive. I am from the Czech Republic and can confirm that hunters feed animals during the winter and cut holes in lakes. Maybe animals and fish would survive anyway, but people just keep busy when the season is closed.

it's not close-minded.
just that it's not necessary in all frozen lakes.
it's usually an occurrence in shallow lakes.
and usually in stocked lakes that aren't capable of sustaining fish in the first place.

adriaticum
03-04-2014, 03:01 PM
what happened to donnareid anyway?

Sofa King
03-04-2014, 03:10 PM
what happened to donnareid anyway?

came in like the wind and left the same way.
makes one wonder if it really was some trolling.

Rackem
03-04-2014, 04:14 PM
No she was real. She was just feeling picked on and her English was not perfect so she didn't get what people were bugging her about. She decided BC hunters suck and left.

adriaticum
03-04-2014, 04:22 PM
No she was real. She was just feeling picked on and her English was not perfect so she didn't get what people were bugging her about. She decided BC hunters suck and left.

What the hell.
My engrish is not perfect and I am constantly picked on.
And? lol

I think she wanted to come out to the beer night in Surrey so she was definitely not a troll.

Sofa King
03-04-2014, 04:55 PM
have to admit though, her questions were pretty "trollish"?
it was like she didn't have even a basic clue about the outdoors.
and that's possible I guess, but then, why be on hbc?
I laughed pretty hard when I read her initial posts, but still answered as if they were serious.

Rackem
03-04-2014, 05:14 PM
She didn't have a lot of outdoors person experience. She wanted to learn. She thought a good way to learn was to join a site full of people who are knowledgeable about the outdoors...

Jagermeister
03-04-2014, 05:42 PM
have to admit though, her questions were pretty "trollish"?
it was like she didn't have even a basic clue about the outdoors.
and that's possible I guess, but then, why be on hbc?
I laughed pretty hard when I read her initial posts, but still answered as if they were serious.
Have you re-read some of your threads?

Ozone
03-04-2014, 05:44 PM
makes one wonder if it really was some trolling.

I find most trolls normally just change there name.

frenchbar
03-04-2014, 05:47 PM
She didn't have a lot of outdoors person experience. She wanted to learn. She thought a good way to learn was to join a site full of people who are knowledgeable about the outdoors... you met donna reid?

Spy
03-04-2014, 05:48 PM
have to admit though, her questions were pretty "trollish"?
it was like she didn't have even a basic clue about the outdoors.
and that's possible I guess, but then, why be on hbc?
I laughed pretty hard when I read her initial posts, but still answered as if they were serious.
Lol "trollish" from the biggest Troll on HBC.

Ringo 7MM
03-09-2014, 07:58 PM
have to admit though, her questions were pretty "trollish"?
it was like she didn't have even a basic clue about the outdoors.
and that's possible I guess, but then, why be on hbc?
I laughed pretty hard when I read her initial posts, but still answered as if they were serious.

So why are you on HBC, just trolling?

browningboy
03-09-2014, 09:24 PM
I'm trolling what's it to you?

Ringo 7MM
03-09-2014, 11:18 PM
I'm trolling what's it to you?

What's your problem, wasn't talking to you browneyeboy.