Rally against grizzly hunting

[bandit]

There is a rally in Victoria this afternoon to protest about the grizz hunt. They have even set up a twitter spam thing for Christy to reinforce the message. No doubt it will get disproportionate media coverage tomorrow.

https://pacificwild.org

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Thanks for bringing it to our att'n on here.

Maybe we might have to a follow up gathering in support of the grizzly hunt?!

SSS

[adriaticum]

The government needs a feel good story right now after they have been flogged by their darlings (the media) about the BCTF ruling.
I wouldn't be surprised if this anti rally gets lots of attention, especially from the government, if they can gather a significant crowd.
Remember what the coach said, the world is run by those who show up.

[Rackmastr]

I sent this petition in a couple years ago to the current govt, the opposition, BCWF, and a bunch of other outdoor organizations.

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/support-the-bc-grizzly-hunt.html

[treehugger]

Wish I was in Victoria today... just to bolster numbers for the 'other' side. The outfitters lobby group had a good, calm rebuttal in the TC today. I'd be curious if the antis have any numbers to back up their moratorium or if it'll just be another emotionally charged 'meat is murder' campaign

[adriaticum]

I sent this petition in a couple years ago to the current govt, the opposition, BCWF, and a bunch of other outdoor organizations.

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/support-the-bc-grizzly-hunt.html

Wow I was #11447.
Quite a few people signed this.

[fyffer]

i will be there to support hunting. It says against trophy hunting of bears. I hunt black bears and i eat my meat, it is some of my fav meat to eat. I know guys that eat grizzly

[bandit]

Looks like the rally is organized by Rain Coast who are a subsidiary of Tides Canada.

Tides are being audited by CRA for using their charity tax free status to conduct political activity. The charity tax guidelines in fact specifically use an example of campaigning against DEER HUNTING is not a valid activity for tax free charities.

Is their organizing this rally just plain stupid? Or a clear indicator of disrespect for CRA and the law?

[Ozone]

I see they also are against open net salmon farming and wolf hunting. We need to shut these people down. F'ing idiots.

[fyffer]

anyone want to meet me down there around 130.

[Jagermeister]

anyone want to meet me down there around 130.I would love to, unfortunately I am in the interior. Nothing like getting in the face of the treehugging group. Would make good news worthy stuff. Go at 'em Phiffer. Hope you get others to join in and the rest of us that cannot attend will watch with anticipation for some news on the telly or wherever.

[fyffer]

i will be wearing my sitka jacket and camo hat. should where my bear claws

[Peter Pepper]

it's too wet for hippies to head out today.

[fyffer]

There hear. And I'm the only hunter. They are saying all bear hunts are trophy hunts including black bear.

[325]

There hear. And I'm the only hunter. They are saying all bear hunts are trophy hunts including black bear.

You're the only hunter?? Where are the rest of you Island guys?

[Peter Pepper]

Just used their petition link to email Christy Clark. Changed the wording to express my support of all forms of well regulated hunting.
https://pacificwild.org/site/take_action/trophy-hunt-campaign.html

[fyffer]

There against blackbear hunting too. Ban all of it. They call blackbear hunting is trophy. It is illegal to trophy hunt blackbear. U have to take all ediable parts. I'm on ctv at 6.

[adriaticum]

There against blackbear hunting too. Ban all of it. They call blackbear hunting is trophy. It is illegal to trophy hunt blackbear. U have to take all ediable parts. I'm on ctv at 6.

Thanks fyffer for taking action!

[fyffer]

Guess I'm the only one that cares.

[325]

Guess I'm the only one that cares.

Not at all. If I wasn't in the Kootenay, I'd be right there beside you. I know talk is cheap, but I know I would, and I am stunned that you are the only one there representing hunting and sound, scientific wildlife management.

[fyffer]

Check news at 5. Another interview.

[coach]

Good on you, fyffer! Hopefully your message gets across in the interview. Extremely unfortunate that there weren't more hunters there. Might be a good idea to enlist a few guys and do our own rally.

[Bear Brawler]

I bet there are more enteries in the Grizz LEH this spring than there were antis at the rally. Lets send those numbers in to show how many support it.

[bruin]

If they're trying to shut it down on the basis of "trophy hunt". Make it a meat hunt. REQUIRE EVERYONE TO REMOVE GRIZZLY MEAT FROM THE BUSH.

[fyffer]

they cut my interview from the 5 o clock news err

[Ozone]

Check news at 5. Another interview.
You didn't make it on

[Ozone]

You're the only hunter?? Where are the rest of you Island guys?

I was in CR. Would you go to Vancouver to protest a protest?

[davet]

Well we all know they are looking at this site on a regular basis. and we all know hunters bring in alot!!!!!!! of $$$ to the BC econ. I myself did a spring grizz LEH, and if i got it and if i were to find one I would take all the meat. I completely hunt for the meat not the size of any animal.

[Jagermeister]

Thank you fyffer for standing in for us. http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/images/icons/icon14.png http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/images/icons/icon14.png
I guess the weather was too bad for the rest of the Island guys in the local area to make an appearance. http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/images/icons/icon13.png http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/images/icons/icon13.png

[davet]

yup the media will only show what they want and NOT the whole story. If its 80+% that are against trophy hunting i bet they dont know a single thing about about the #'s or the fact that if you dont keep the #'s at a good level the Sh#t hits the van. I wonder if they know how many BB are killed because of human encounters each year in the lowermain land.

[bruin]

Increased tags mean scientifically found evidence of population growth. Need to require meat retrieval, they'll have no leg to stand on.

[325]

I was in CR. Would you go to Vancouver to protest a protest?

Don't take my comment as an insult

[kagia]

If they're trying to shut it down on the basis of "trophy hunt". Make it a meat hunt. REQUIRE EVERYONE TO REMOVE GRIZZLY MEAT FROM THE BUSH.

How bout instead of pandering to them and their bullshit, we tell them to **** off and stand our ground instead?

I don't even hunt bear and doubt I ever will, but I'm getting real sick of all the anti-gun, anti-hunting, anti-human, leftwing hippie nonsense and how we're supposed to just take it dry.

[bandit]

Just used their petition link to email Christy Clark. Changed the wording to express my support of all forms of well regulated hunting.
https://pacificwild.org/site/take_action/trophy-hunt-campaign.html

Yeah thanks to pacific wild for providing some addresses. I wrote this - don't copy it as a form letter but hope it inspires some creativity!


Dear Premier Christy Clark,


I gather that there was a demonstration against "trophy" hunting of bears in Victoria today. I also gather that many of the members of this rally were basing their views on emotion and misinformation.


It is important that your views on this controversial topic do not get swayed by factually incorrect propaganda from a small minority group. This is especially important given the strong political support for this movement from "conservation" charities that are illegally abusing their charitable tax status. Hunting quotas should continue to be set by government scientists and not become some sort of politically correct compromise. This would fly in the face of all that BC stands for.


It is also important that the BC government continue to enforce the Wildlife Act that was written for the benefit of both the citizens and the natural resources. In particular the illegal interference and intimidation of licensed hunters in the "great bear rainforest" must be a priority for the upcoming spring hunting season.


Many thanks for the continued support of hunting by this Government and I hope this may continue for my children and grandchildren to enjoy.


Sincerely,

[keoke]

If I lived on the rock I would have been down there and setup a table giving out bearonni

[coach]

If they're trying to shut it down on the basis of "trophy hunt". Make it a meat hunt. REQUIRE EVERYONE TO REMOVE GRIZZLY MEAT FROM THE BUSH.

Sounds good, if we are trying to appease the antis - BUT, we really should just stick to the argument that hunting of grizzlies is part of sustainable science based game management.

[bandit]

This survey they refer to lacks any credibility whatsoever for several reasons:

1. It was funded by the First Nation who vocally opposes bear hunting
2. Based on opinions of almost every hunter I have met in this province, there is no way that 91% of hunters think we should respect First Nations laws whilst on their traditional territory.
3. Even if 88% of the population oppose something it doesn't mean it is in societies best interest. I'm sure 99.9 % of taxpayers think taxes should be reduced!
4. Most hunters I know understand the need for predator control so there is no way that 95% of hunters think you should only kill what you eat.

I didn't see the poll but I would speculate the questions were very ambiguously written and / or the survey does not reflect a true cross section of BC residents.

Perhaps we should have a poll on HBC to get a more realistic idea of hunters views.

[Rackmastr]

Anyone feel free to copy and paste the link to the nearly 12,000 people who signed the Petition in SUPPORT of Grizzly bear hunting to any media outlets, politicians, etc that they wish.

This needs to be broadcasted to all outlets that we can.

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/support-the-bc-grizzly-hunt.html

[Iltasyuko]

Yeah thanks to pacific wild for providing some addresses. I wrote this - don't copy it as a form letter but hope it inspires some creativity!


Dear Premier Christy Clark,


I gather that there was a demonstration against "trophy" hunting of bears in Victoria today. I also gather that many of the members of this rally were basing their views on emotion and misinformation.


It is important that your views on this controversial topic do not get swayed by factually incorrect propaganda from a small minority group. This is especially important given the strong political support for this movement from "conservation" charities that are illegally abusing their charitable tax status. Hunting quotas should continue to be set by government scientists and not become some sort of politically correct compromise. This would fly in the face of all that BC stands for.


It is also important that the BC government continue to enforce the Wildlife Act that was written for the benefit of both the citizens and the natural resources. In particular the illegal interference and intimidation of licensed hunters in the "great bear rainforest" must be a priority for the upcoming spring hunting season.


Many thanks for the continued support of hunting by this Government and I hope this may continue for my children and grandchildren to enjoy.


Sincerely,


Well done!

[treehugger]

Great job fyffer! Good on you gettin down there and braving the cloud of patuli to stand up for what you believe in... you have balls. What were the numbers like? If it's something we're all so passionate about maybe a pro bear-hunting rally needs to happen? Even if you could get a 1/4 of their numbers together without getting all frothy mouthed over how rediculous this debate is in the first place...
Again, good on you fyffer

[GoatGuy]

fyffer, great job!!!

Wish I was near the big smog to offer some support.

Awesome to see people standing up for what they believe in.

[bruin]

[QUOTE=kagia;1463015]How bout instead of pandering to them and their bullshit, we tell them to **** off and stand our ground instead?
QUOTE]

It has a very little to do with pandering to anti's and a lot more to do with public perception (locally and internationally) and support for hunting in general.

[Ambush]

I don't think anyone in the world is going to swallow that we hunt grizzlies for meat.

We hunt them because we like to hunt them, they need to be hunted and it is environmentally and scientifically sound management. Nothing more, nothing less.

[J_T]

Maybe let the non hunting meat eaters in the crowd watch this video. http://myscienceacademy.org/2013/08/19/without-saying-a-word-this-6-minute-short-film-will-make-you-speechless/

[Mr. Dean]

I don't think anyone in the world is going to swallow that we hunt grizzlies for meat.

We hunt them because we like to hunt them, they need to be hunted and it is environmentally and scientifically sound management. Nothing more, nothing less.

Correct.
We hunt EVERYTHING that's permitted to be hunted, for conservation purposes! No if's and/or but's.

And a lot of us need to get up to speed on that.

[adriaticum]

Maybe let the non hunting meat eaters in the crowd watch this video. http://myscienceacademy.org/2013/08/19/without-saying-a-word-this-6-minute-short-film-will-make-you-speechless/

My dream is one day for all food producers to stop producing food.
Just say puck it.
If you want meat, produce it yourself.

We would have a lot less whining and a lot less fat asses.

[Mr. Dean]

Maybe let the non hunting meat eaters in the crowd watch this video. http://myscienceacademy.org/2013/08/19/without-saying-a-word-this-6-minute-short-film-will-make-you-speechless/

And they didn't even get into the messy side of things.

[fyffer]

I'm on ctv news Vancouver island online.

[davet]

good job Fyffer. I think this whole this is full of misinformation, its unfortunate but true. And trying to convince an anti-hunter about the realties of hunting and animal control is almost impossible

[fyffer]

http://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=292624

[sobirch]

Good on you fyffer on adding a drop of reality to that stupid sea of propaganda. What a bunch of blind sheeple. Did they do much editing on your interview or did they broadcast it as you said it in it's entirety.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

http://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=292624

Awesome job, fyffer!!!

SSS

[adriaticum]

People also need to remember that bear hunting is part of predator control.
If they manage to make an issue out of this, their next target will probably be wolves, coyotes, cougars etc...

[fyffer]

Was edited a bit cut some parts.

[J_T]

I clicked on the website, but because I'm in Colombia, during the Sochi games, Canadian news sites are "not available during the Sochi Olympics due to 'rights limitations'."

Good on you Fyffer.

[finngun]

fyffer you are example for every hunter.....thanx a LOT doing that..all victoria hunters should be there,,:) i rise my 'juice' glass for yo:-D

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Someone should have showed up and pretended they were supporting the ralley and fired up a BBQ andhanded out free bear smokies:).
20/20 hindsight..............