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snareman1234
11-26-2013, 12:14 AM
Preface- As alluded to by Ourea in the “Some Big Whities For Ya... (http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?98219-Some-Big-Whities-For-Ya)” thread, there is a story to be shared. I believe the “Ourea method” has been explained on here previously but let me summarize and provide some context before I begin the story. The spots we are hunting were identified between last year this time, and early summer 2013. These spots are all <100 yards from a busy FSR used by industry, hunters, and recreationists (I saw people camping, having pallet fires and just driving around in cars). Furthermore, all spots were within 25 minutes from a busy city center.
The consistent trend with the spots was a high “horizontal stem density” also known as “hair on a dog’s back”-type timber that is used as a buffer for the whitetail to move through. This type of habitat is also responsible for the “there are no bucks here, they are all shot out” mentality in the area, as the deer are hard to see if one is “driving and hoping”. Some spots bordered old growth timber, but the whitetail certainly found safety in the thick stuff.
Cameras and grain were consistently maintained on these spots after identification. Some spots were culled, but the rest were retained. Prior to November, buck presence was not highly scrutinized; the presence of does was of most importance.

WOW, that was like school eh…Pumping info like a textbook…Surely many have glazed over? I believe this will rekindle interest (does anybody even read the text on this site anyways)?

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/empire_baller/Penticton-20131116-01729_zps3669550f.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/empire_baller/media/Penticton-20131116-01729_zps3669550f.jpg.html)

Sunday, Nov 17, 2013- I receive a message essentially saying “your time is now, get up here” which was accompanied by some trail cam pictures that could only be described as “motivating”

Monday- spent working my bag off to assuage my week absence announced the morning of

Tuesday- rubber hit the road and I was off. Arrived at noon. We sat in the blind until dark and were visited by a couple does. We pulled all the cards in the cams, which were then reviewed in the evening, which became a nightly “debrief, quantify inventory, and reanalyze”. These evening session were among my best memories of the trip as they were spent with great company, many laughs, good drinks, and high quality intel.

Temperatures began to drop, we left the truck at as low as -20 on Wednesday. The rut should get crazy soon??

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/empire_baller/DSC00117_zpse9ce46a4.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/empire_baller/media/DSC00117_zpse9ce46a4.jpg.html)

Wednesday-Friday- were spent on the “rinse and repeat program”. The evening intel sessions showed all spots holding bucks, but one spot was of particular interest to me. This spot had a natural funnel, high horizontal stem density, two bucks that I considered shooters, and most of all- I could hit the road with baseball from my blind. The two bucks of interest were entering into the rut and as a result were beginning to show up closer to shooting light.
As a side note- at this spot and the others, there were some other VERY good bucks showing up, but these were young deer with an abundance of potential so they were on the “no shoot” list, so my personal “shoot” list was composed of an old gnarly buck (the “spoon” buck, shown above) and a few other average five points (Note “average” is a relative term- if I was driving my pickup through a clear cut and seen one of these “average” bucks, I’d probably spasm, throw on the gas and have a wreck…these are nice deer, but I quickly became spoiled with the stream of intel and good bucks).

The “rinse and repeat program” followed as such:

1)Up at 5am, have breakfast, pack lunch, coffee up

2)Get to blind before first light, sit down, light propane heater, settle in for the long haul

3)Mentally cope with the long haul (generally games on the phone such as deer hunter 2014, candy crush and angry birds) and other random things. It would be enjoyable to watch a video of a guy in a blind for a full day, there are many odd things a one does to keep busy. Many odd movements, stretches, expressions, mental conversations, and very awkward urination sessions out of a 4ft blind by a 6.5ft dude…

4)Leave after dark, pull card

5)Head back home, have a few cocktails, dinner and reanalyze after looking at cards. Let’s be clear on two things here:

a) hunting whitetail was mentally tough, but whitetail camp was not “tough”. Luxury is a better descriptor. Beef tenderloins and Disaronno trumped my usual frozen tent and porridge program;

b) Between Wednesday and Friday, one single deer was spotted, despite numerous hours in the blind. This may seem to be a poor outcome, but the evening debriefings consistently showed BIG bucks coming into the areas, sometimes within 15 minutes of my departure after dark. This type of data keeps a guy in the blind, which was the key to my success (spoiler alert?). Pair this data with Ourea’s insatiable desire to chase big critters and an unshakeable resolve; it was EASY to find motivation in this “camp”

This is the blind I set up (ever see a 7500 cu.i mystery ranch pack with a SPOT device on it used for WT hunting within 100 yards of the pickup? Seems a bit out of place)

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/empire_baller/DSC00120_zps3bd5d798.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/empire_baller/media/DSC00120_zps3bd5d798.jpg.html)

The shooting lane I cut on the hill above the site. The timber density is nowhere near the density at the bottom. Notice this is not exactly a wide or open lane. I wanted to disturb the areas as little as possible and only afford enough to see a deer at the site and permit a shot.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/empire_baller/2013-11-23141906_zps7bd67925.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/empire_baller/media/2013-11-23141906_zps7bd67925.jpg.html)

Saturday- The same program was still in effect. The previous night, my host had mentioned that although I was slated to be back at work on Monday, I was welcome to continue the pursuit until the season closed on the 30th. What a guy ehh? Opportunity is my kryptonite.. Now I had another task in the blind, draft up an email detailing how I could justify taking another week off. Saturday was accompanied by many games of deer hunter 2014, candy crush saga, and some crafty writing that was going to be my ticket to “less work, more big whitetail”.

At this point some more context may be valuable. For those who don’t know me, I am a mountain hunter. I spend my time hunting out of my pack, doing extended trips for mule deer, elk, goats and sheep. I have never seriously hunted whitetail, and the only buck I’ve harvested was driving down an FSR opening morning in 2010, and I needed meat! But what I was immersed into on this WT program was ADDICTING, and I knew I was on track to beat this buck by >100”

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snareman1234
11-26-2013, 12:22 AM
Continuing with Saturday- The wind was very good this day, and I had 2 deer come in by noon (2x as many as the previous 3 days). In the middle of an intense cell phone game, I had a look up as a deer nose came into my shooting lane. Instantly the adrenaline started to pump, and I was hoping it wasn’t another “flat top false alarm”. The appearance of the eyes was followed by a pair of main beams! Good news, now “who” is it? One of the small guys? A BIG buck that was young and on the “no shoot” list? Or, one of the “boys”?
I had this image burned in my mind for days leading up to this moment-

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/empire_baller/Penticton-20131121-01762_zps72930003.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/empire_baller/media/Penticton-20131121-01762_zps72930003.jpg.html)

The appearance of the “spoon” buck was unmistakable. I picked up my gun and poked a hole in him. He leapt straight up, ran across my lane, looped back through, and was headed for the hills. I saw him slow and pile up seconds later, not 30 yards from where he was shot. To say I was ecstatic, amped up, pumping adrenaline like a junky and a little hazy would be an understatement. I sat in the blind for a few minutes but the anticipation got the best of me. The buck was out when I walked up. This is what I saw.



http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/empire_baller/DSC00128_zps8f33aec0.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/empire_baller/media/DSC00128_zps8f33aec0.jpg.html)

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/empire_baller/DSC00126_zps0334493f.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/empire_baller/media/DSC00126_zps0334493f.jpg.html)

This buck and the whole experience was far too special to not to share with my partner, so I headed back to home base for a bit different “debriefing”, which involved some hooting and hollering and many high fives. We headed back up shortly, with extraction gear.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/empire_baller/DSC00210_zpsdee59559.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/empire_baller/media/DSC00210_zpsdee59559.jpg.html)

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Whonnock Boy
11-26-2013, 12:26 AM
Excellent.......

snareman1234
11-26-2013, 12:29 AM
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/empire_baller/DSC00211_zps30f7a853.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/empire_baller/media/DSC00211_zps30f7a853.jpg.html)

This buck was clearly involved in the battle of the rut. He had a large split in his ear from seasons past that was starting to open further. The back of his neck was bald and full of cuts and scars from sparring with bucks with longer tines.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/empire_baller/DSC00223_zps7dca9ddc.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/empire_baller/media/DSC00223_zps7dca9ddc.jpg.html)

Then the gear came out, adorned with special “shout outs”

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/empire_baller/Okanagan-Similkameen20D-20131123-01831_zpsd2ca5b12.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/empire_baller/media/Okanagan-Similkameen20D-20131123-01831_zpsd2ca5b12.jpg.html)

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/empire_baller/DSC00264_zps32d80f08.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/empire_baller/media/DSC00264_zps32d80f08.jpg.html)

And here he is now. It’s just boiled out at this point, I still need to degrease and whiten him, but I think it’s a great addition to the euro wall. The elk, goat and muley were hiding for the picture ;)

snareman1234
11-26-2013, 12:29 AM
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/empire_baller/2013-11-25191328_zps1b82f697.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/empire_baller/media/2013-11-25191328_zps1b82f697.jpg.html)

I hope that this tale may inspire some to give the whitetail program a bit of a go. They are an untapped resource, and there are some giants out there. A person could expect surprising results with minimal effort. Furthermore, these animals deserve much more respect than they receive as a game animal in BC. I witnessed the wariness of this species first hand. Their “radar” never turns off. Even does and fawns on a pile of rolled oats at -20 bolted when I bent down to grab my binos and my clothing made a “rustle”. Complement that trait with the intelligence and rarity of a mature back and you have a chess game on your hand that will enthral you and provide countless hours of enjoyment year round while learning the "game".

Buckmeister
11-26-2013, 12:36 AM
Well done!!! Way to stick it out! Very rewarding.

GoatGuy
11-26-2013, 12:42 AM
Congratulations once again, and congrats to the 'mentor'. You guys have summed it up well - most of the guys drive right past the best wt spots on their way to some place that's full of hunters and few big deer.

Days of boredom filled with seconds of sheer terror.

Looks like a person can get more pictures on HBC than in 30 emails........ if Ourea shoots something we'll probably be getting emails until July before we actually see a pic. Ourarealtreat.

Stone Sheep Steve
11-26-2013, 05:17 AM
Congrats Clayton!!
I've never met such a person who is so eager to learn. No wonder Ourea has welcomed you into the program.

Dandy buck!!
Congrats to ALL involved.

SSS

Rackem
11-26-2013, 06:22 AM
Very cool story and very cool rack, you sure it wasn't half Moose?

hunter1993ap
11-26-2013, 07:29 AM
good job guys! always nice to have your hard work and patients pay off. congrats on an awesome old warior!

Wood butcher
11-26-2013, 07:44 AM
That's awesome. Great write up and a dandy buck.
Congrats and thanks for sharing.

Blainer
11-26-2013, 07:59 AM
Fantastic Buck Clayton!
Enjoyed the thread, thanks for sharing
Great effort
Deserving!

RomanianTHUNDER
11-26-2013, 08:16 AM
Wow great bucks . That's a moooooonster:)

RomanianTHUNDER
11-26-2013, 08:17 AM
Wow great buck. That's a moooooonster :)

kennyj
11-26-2013, 08:39 AM
Awesome gnarly old buck! Great story! I really enjoyed it.
kenny

hare_assassin
11-26-2013, 09:01 AM
Congrats! Awesome writing. Thanks for sharing!

The thing that sticks out most for me is the mentoring aspect. I'm as eager as you are to put in the time and learn, but don't know anyone who hunts them.

I have some areas in mind that I have a very strong feeling contain WT, so I am going to get some trail cams and do plenty of off-season scouting.

MacMtnHunter
11-26-2013, 09:26 AM
Beauty! Congrats on a fine buck! Doesn't get much better than that!

Citori54
11-26-2013, 09:46 AM
Great buck, great story. Thanks for sharing.

coach
11-26-2013, 10:12 AM
Outstanding, Clayton! "Spoons" is a very cool buck - definitley unique. Good on you for identifying him as #1 on your "hit list" and then spending the time necessary to successfully harvest him. I know the pics on the camera helped a lot in keeping you focussed despite a few days of seeing nothing. I also know how hard it is to sit and look at nothing for hours on end. As simple as the "program" is, it takes perseverance and patience to see it all through. Despite a years worth of intel including countless pics and stories of bucks, I had a friend sit in one of the lower blinds a couple weeks ago and he lasted about 2 1/2 hours. Some people would rather drive or hike around than put the time in like you did.

I've had the great privilege of being involved in this "project" for over a year now. There's no doubt Ourea is an incredible host. Those evening debriefs are a lot of fun and can result in making it difficult to keep your eyes open the next day. :-D I wish I'd been able to join you guys for an evening.

The "video games in the blind" concept is a great one for passing the hours - although apparently surfing HBC almost cost GG a buck last weekend. :-D Your decision to move the blind and cut a new lane was a measured risk and it's great to see things worked out. Constantly analyzing the data and never making assumptions is something Ourea continually stresses. The more years this project continues, the more we might start to understand these deer.

Great job explaining the process and introducing the hunting community to what is possible. It really is amazing to know just what is living so close to town along major FSR's. Hopefully a years worth of effort (mostly my partner's) will pay off for Ourea and I this week and we will have more to share here on HBC.

Congrats on a successful hunt and thanks for taking the time to share your experience. This is what HBC is all about. Well done!

knighthunter
11-26-2013, 10:13 AM
Great story and pic's. I spent 35+ years hunting + shooting whitetails on the prairie's so I can relate to what your telling us here. Hopefully your post
will inspire more resident hunters to hunt the elusive whitetail.

Islandeer
11-26-2013, 10:32 AM
Brilliant hunting,prep,perserverance, and making the shot with everything on the line!!

Glenny
11-26-2013, 10:41 AM
Very nice buck and a great story Clayton. I would like to see you in the office in the morning regarding your creative writing. :mad:

snareman1234
11-26-2013, 11:32 AM
Outstanding, Clayton! "Spoons" is a very cool buck - definitley unique. Good on you for identifying him as #1 on your "hit list" and then spending the time necessary to successfully harvest him. I know the pics on the camera helped a lot in keeping you focussed despite a few days of seeing nothing. I also know how hard it is to sit and look at nothing for hours on end. As simple as the "program" is, it takes perseverance and patience to see it all through. Despite a years worth of intel including countless pics and stories of bucks, I had a friend sit in one of the lower blinds a couple weeks ago and he lasted about 2 1/2 hours. Some people would rather drive or hike around than put the time in like you did.

I've had the great privilege of being involved in this "project" for over a year now. There's no doubt Ourea is an incredible host. Those evening debriefs are a lot of fun and can result in making it difficult to keep your eyes open the next day. :-D I wish I'd been able to join you guys for an evening.

The "video games in the blind" concept is a great one for passing the hours - although apparently surfing HBC almost cost GG a buck last weekend. :-D Your decision to move the blind and cut a new lane was a measured risk and it's great to see things worked out. Constantly analyzing the data and never making assumptions is something Ourea continually stresses. The more years this project continues, the more we might start to understand these deer.

Great job explaining the process and introducing the hunting community to what is possible. It really is amazing to know just what is living so close to town along major FSR's. Hopefully a years worth of effort (mostly my partner's) will pay off for Ourea and I this week and we will have more to share here on HBC.

Congrats on a successful hunt and thanks for taking the time to share your experience. This is what HBC is all about. Well done!

Cheers Coach! Wish you were down there with us this past week, but you were "engaged" in bigger tasks!

Regarding the bolded text above- Ourea's sense of humour helped pass the time when we sat together, but made it difficult to contain a hearty laugh. I have a vivid memory of hour 6 staring at the same view of about 100 square meters of real estate, about 50 yards away. The picture was so engrained the back of my eyes, the view was just as vivid when I shut my eyes! After hours of silence, Ourea leans over and whispers "Can you change the channel please?" I almost died...

Best of luck on your upcoming endeavour Coach, but if I am correct in my interpretation of the "program", luck is a peripheral variable that is trumped by quantified data and determination. You guys will smoke one, I know it!

Ourea
11-26-2013, 11:43 AM
Clayton, it was an absolute pleasure having you up and sharing a hunt with you.
Your enthusiasm and determination are very evident and infectious.
Obviously the passion runs deep.

Side note...
Knowing you have pursued a career in wildlife management and are a "hardcore" hunter is such a good thing.
The fact that you have the optics as a hunter as well as a wildlife biologist will only serve for a better overall perspective as your field work and analysis continues.

It was a fun week.
You certainly "earned' that buck.
I think he is responsible for a lot of broken tines in that area and his numerous war wounds reflect that.
Glad to get him out of the game before he busted up more of the bigger bucks we know are in the area.

Pleased you enjoyed the hunt.
Great thread, very well put together.

Hope to send you a text sometime this week with a pic attached.
See you next year.

doubled
11-26-2013, 01:45 PM
Congrats Clayton, you now know the whitetail obsession and from one hell of a teacher. One day I hope to be lucky enough to meet your teacher to share a drink and pick his brain.

What a sweet sight to see when your buck appears in front of you after days and days of planning, research, phone calls, etc.

God I love this sport.

mwalter
11-26-2013, 05:46 PM
Good job Clayton glad to hear you r still out there kickin ass and cutting tags. Keep it up

d6dan
11-26-2013, 06:05 PM
Fantastic snareman. You did good. Congrats......:-D

snareman1234
11-26-2013, 06:21 PM
Congrats Clayton, you now know the whitetail obsession and from one hell of a teacher. One day I hope to be lucky enough to meet your teacher to share a drink and pick his brain.

What a sweet sight to see when your buck appears in front of you after days and days of planning, research, phone calls, etc.

God I love this sport.


Roger. That.

mark
11-26-2013, 06:42 PM
Congrads on a nice heavy whitey Clayton, those long days in the blind are the hardest thing to do in my opinion.

JDR
11-26-2013, 07:46 PM
Congrats on a real nice whitey, well deserved! I too have learned that patience is a virtue with whities, but i have yet to put that in to real practice. Thanks for sharing a great story and pics :-D

tomahawk
11-26-2013, 08:12 PM
well done all around!! great story, great mature character buck and amazing patience to wait out this warrior among whitetails!! My hats off to you, its tough as hell to sit it out and wait when the deer arent showing up!!

Rattler
11-26-2013, 08:35 PM
Congrats to you on a smoker buck. As others have said, blind hunting takes a ton of patience, but the rewards can be outstanding. I had a good laugh when you stated you were playing deer hunter 2014....have done this myself to pass the time.

Sitkaspruce
11-26-2013, 08:44 PM
Awesome story!!! Thanks for bringing us along and showing your killer buck to boot!!!!!

I too am learning this way of hunting WT's; hours boredom in a blind (no phone for games, so learning to turn pages in a book real quitely), hanging and checking cameras, hours of scouting, sitting in front of a computer scaning through hundreds of pictures, learning to judge an avg rack to a "Holly Crap" buck, the list goes on.....LOL. I too have a mentor who has been teaching me and helping me learn a whole new way of hunting these elusive creatures and I am thankful for that, but they can only teach you so much, the animals will teach you a lot more.

Thanks to Ourea for setting up the story and showing Clayton the ropes, plus putting up some awesome pictures, Coach, GG, SSS and others for keeping the facts straight about WT deer and their populations and for their hints about chasing them.

It's been a learning season for me and will be for as long as I can get out there.

Oh and my wife says download Bubble Mainia, apperently it is as addictive as Candy Crush and she should now, I think she is into the 200 levels.......:shock::wink:

Thanks again.

Cheers

SS

boxhitch
11-26-2013, 09:12 PM
Attago Clay.
Figured you would have more homework to pass the time .

Outdoor Addict
11-26-2013, 09:46 PM
Congrats dude! Good Write up and nice pics!

358mag
11-26-2013, 09:52 PM
Great write up Clayton and a wonderful Whitetail character buck , maybe next time will have a bit more time around the debriefing table with a cold cocktail or two .
Pleaser meeting you and congrad's on your Whity .

snareman1234
11-26-2013, 10:05 PM
Thanks everyone! Very lucky to have been a part of the "program". Very good cap to my season. Happy as a clam!

Jim Prawn
11-26-2013, 10:08 PM
wow! That's one of my favorite stories on here ever. Exciting, informative, and successful. Your perserverence is impressive. A great buck well earned.
JP

snareman1234
11-27-2013, 08:51 PM
wow! That's one of my favorite stories on here ever. Exciting, informative, and successful. Your perserverence is impressive. A great buck well earned.
JP

Next time I'll use my time in the blind to draft up a real shiner...Hope I don't get skunked...

Ourea
11-27-2013, 10:00 PM
Next time I'll use my time in the blind to draft up a real shiner...Hope I don't get skunked...


Highly unlikely.

TheProvider
11-27-2013, 10:40 PM
That's awesome.

Hillbros_96
11-28-2013, 08:38 AM
Great story and welcome to the club of whitetail hunting. I have taken time off from hunting them since moving to BC from Alberta simply because BC offers several species on my bucket list of hunting before I am moved again.

Sitting in a blind day after day I believe is some of the hardest hunting a person can do compared to other types of hunting. Having faith that the scouting is correct and the wonder if you spooked them coming and going is always at the back of your mind. I also agree that most people do not understand how spooky these animals are compared to many other species. I know I would not have gotten away with shooting a whitetail like I shot my moose this year, I would have been busted long before a shot was possible.

I hope you continue with you whitetail obsession.

BiG Boar
01-28-2014, 12:29 PM
I somehow missed this thread and wanted to congratulate you on a buck well earned! Great job and great write up!

guest
01-28-2014, 02:25 PM
Thats a CRANKER WOW Cool experience too Congrats !

CT

FGTV
01-29-2014, 06:59 AM
pretty nice buck

Ourea
01-29-2014, 11:47 AM
Clayton


I was cleaning up the pictures on my phone and came across this one.
It' a great pic of your buck, really shows off the mass.

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd428/browndog100/Clay_zps2379dff6.jpg?t=1391020977

snareman1234
01-31-2014, 06:30 AM
Lookit that hogg!!!

Blainer
01-31-2014, 07:38 AM
Gotta admit that's a thumper, and congratulations on the contest Clayton.
Great start to 2014!

snareman1234
01-31-2014, 07:55 AM
Can't lie, life's been good so far boys.