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    Quote Originally Posted by Gateholio View Post
    Hopefully we will get the official word from the various organizations on why they are listed as supporting these proposals.
    Well Gate,
    The response from the BCWF is actually a quite underwhelming:

    This, from the Fed's home page, doesn't look much like a rebuttal of the crossbow proposal to me. In fact, it appears somewhat defensive of their actions which leads me to believe they voted in favor of this BS:

    "Regulation Proposal: “Prohibit the use of scopes on bows during bow-only seasons”

    We have been hearing from members concerned with one of the proposals in the hunting/trapping regulation engagement process regarding the elimination of scopes on bows during bow-only seasons.

    The proposal that was discussed at the Provincial Hunting and Trapping Advisory Team’s subcommittee on “hunting methods” was to “regulate electronic, magnifying, or telescopic sights on short range weapons (bows) during special weapon seasons.” Government has chosen to modify the intent of the proposal and to focus on crossbows in their posting on the engagement website and the accompanying rationale.

    The BCWF supports the use of archery/bow-only seasons as a means of increasing hunting opportunities. The focus of the hunting methods sub-committee, when discussing this proposal, was to maintain archery-only hunting seasons that include crossbows. The committee is not a decision-making body and only provides advice to government regarding hunting methods.

    Government is in the process of reviewing and updating the hunter harvest questionnaire and the BCWF has asked for the government to collect more data on hunting methods, whether it be vertical bows, crossbows or rifles.

    The scopes regulation proposal is posted, and input from the public will ultimately influence the outcome.

    Here is the link to the proposed regulations regarding crossbows apps.nrs.gov.bc.ca/ahte/content/scopes-bows-during-bow-only-seasons

    Remember, you will need your BCeID number to comment."

    bcwf.bc.ca/hunting-and-trapping-regulations-engagement-open/

    ................................................

    I sat on this a few days while I waited for the Fed to get back to me on the matter. After having reached out to the Fed (again) I sadly got nothing but crickets in return. From the above, and their lack of response (weeks) it appears that they are fine with this, and so have lost any chance of my support at this time whatsoever.

    The government continues it's shenanigans on all proposals. you can vote and comment, but you cannot see, nor alter your own comment, nor anyone else's. Many believe this is being done so they can say the majority of the public sided in favor of their suggestions, when in fact that may well not be the case. Getting tired of all the ass-covering going on here...

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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    Nog, could not believe how weak of a response this news release is! So i called up the head office and spoke with a lady for a good 20 minutes to vent about how ridiculous this is. She agreed with my concerns, and will be passing them along to the executive, and will talk to them about putting out a more clear message about how the BCWF is AGAINST this asinine proposal.

    I too was greatly disappointed in how the news release says absolutely nothing about whether the BCWF is for or against this proposal, and she agreed that the news release should have been more clear on what the BCWF stance is on this proposal. Like I couldn't believe the release did not specifically say that the BCWF is vehemently against this. Very disappointed. I haven't cancelled my monthly donation just yet, and will wait to see if the BCWF will be more clear about how they oppose this idea. But make no mistake, if they aren't more clear in voicing their opposition to this, I will be cancelling for sure. I'm simply Gobsmacked at how weak this news release is. Please Do Better BCWF!!
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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    This is the WSSBC explanation and stance on the subject. My apologies, I cut and pasted it to the site.
    Seems the gov gave the committee four choices to choose as they already made up their mind on the subject and the committee picked the best option of the four offered.

    The Wild Sheep Society of British Columbia (WSSBC) is a conservation-mandated Society founded in
    1998 for the protection and enhancement of wild sheep throughout the province.
    As a stakeholder in wildlife in the Province of BC, we hold a position on the Provincial Hunting Trapping
    and Advisory Team and have done so for several years. A brief history of PHTAT can be found HERE.
    The PHTAT consists of membership from the Wild Sheep Society of BC, British Columbia Wildlife
    Federation, BC Trappers Association, Guide Outfitters Association of BC, United Bowhunters of BC and
    the Wildlife Stewardship Council.
    Our seat on PHTAT allows us to see drafts that are put forward by the province, and other stake and title
    holders from around the table. Proposals can be made from local member clubs, single membership as
    well as organizations, and the government.
    Recently WSSBC, through our PHTAT membership, had representation on a Fair Chase sub-committee.
    Numerous proposals were put forward by ministry staff and through the committee process members
    are solicited to provide input on the proposals.
    These new proposals are currently open for public consultation at:
    https://apps.nrs.gov.bc.ca/ahte/hunting
    Some members have raised concerns about our participation on this committee and our stance on the
    proposals put forward. One of these issues brought forward is pertaining to a regulation proposal to
    ban scope use on bows during bow only season. This regulation change was proposed by the
    government as a solution to high success rates in moose bow only seasons. When offered solutions; the
    sub-committee supported the least restrictive option, from an opportunity perspective, which allowed
    cross-bow use (albeit without a scope) during the bow only season.
    While we did participate in the process as a PHTAT member, it is important to note that we as an
    organization are not advocating for any of these “Fair Chase” changes. These proposals were introduced
    by government and received input by a diverse committee including multiple stakeholders and
    government.
    The Wild Sheep Society does not designate a formal stance on any of the ‘Fair Chase’ proposals as they do not pertain as a conservation concern. We believe in science-based wildlife management relying on
    biologists and experts. Conservation concerns are at the forefront of our decision making.


    Please remember that none of these proposals are in legislation as of yet and are simply at the input stage. Feedback during the public consultation process will influence which proposals will become legislation.
    The Province is soliciting input from the public on these proposals, and we encourage everyone,
    particularly our members to have their say. To leave input, please follow the following LINK and sign in
    with your BCiD as you would with your hunting license and LEH.
    Please be respectful, polite and courteous with your response. It is critical that every one of us have our
    say.
    In Conservation, Board of Directors
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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    Thanks Brew and Nog.

    What's with these weak statements and likely weak positions?

    The WSSBC could say "NO, we Oppose the proposal" instead of a statement that is uncommittable.

    What I read between the lines is that BCWF is supporting the crossbow scope ban. They certainly have not stated otherwise.

    The WSSBC is trying to goat walk a fencetop. Sheep can't do this as well as goats. They will fall off to one side.
    They as well do not state that they oppose the proposal.... that says a lot.

    What I see here is stakeholder reps that want to blame the government, while cowering from their membership.
    Weak, weak, weak....


    Nog, Any progress with those minutes?
    I suspect you will be slow played, they will run out the clock.

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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    What has become obvious to me is that once again, hunters have been let down by the organizations that the government says represent them.

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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    What I see in this is the GO in the stated region must have had a resident bow hunter shoot a moose that the GO had decided was his moose. So now all resident hunters pay the price for a GO whining and ass kissing. The GO have made a good story up saying optics shouldnt be allowed in bow only seasons. This is such a pile of shit. Especially when there are month long doe seasons for whitetails and all xbow hunters pay the price! Pissed!!

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    I have a long history in archery. My dad bought me a fiberglass long bow when I was 11. Remember the Port Orford cedar arrows? Got pretty good at building them as I lost them most often as soon as they were built. Anyhow, I morphed from the long bow to the recurve which I continued to shoot until about 1976 when bursitis made it difficult to hold the 45# draw weight. Allen still held patent on the compound bow and they were noisy contraptions with little let-off. After Allen's patent expired, other bow makers stepped to the plate, PSE, Bear, Browning to name a few. I soon bought a PSE and was back in the game. With 65% let-off, I could hold on a 70# but at times it was agonizing. Then I bought another PSE with 60# and 85% let-off. This was around 2000 and I had it until a couple of years ago. Bursitis was once again playing hell with the shoulders and I could not draw the bow let alone hold it. So I replaced it with a crossbow a year ago this month. Now they're going to exclude me because of my choice because it has optics. How else are you supposed to aim them, there is no other method of mounting sights. Regardless, should this regulation become the way, I shall file a discrimination charge against the government and the advising participants.
    As I said elsewhere, " ALL THIS REGULATION DOES IS FURTHER EXCLUDE SENIOR ARCHERY HUNTERS SUCH AS MYSELF FROM PARTAKING IN THE QUIET VENUE OF THE ARCHERY SEASON."
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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    The position these "hunter organizations" take is a summary of what has been happening to resident hunters recently, there shouldn't be any question who is representing them (resident hunters). I'm not supporting any of them until I see someone with some balls to stand up and fight, even if they lose this fight.
    I consider someone who "walks the fence" as an act of cowardice and God hates a coward and so do I.

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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jagermeister View Post
    I have a long history in archery. My dad bought me a fiberglass long bow when I was 11. Remember the Port Orford cedar arrows? Got pretty good at building them as I lost them most often as soon as they were built. Anyhow, I morphed from the long bow to the recurve which I continued to shoot until about 1976 when bursitis made it difficult to hold the 45# draw weight. Allen still held patent on the compound bow and they were noisy contraptions with little let-off. After Allen's patent expired, other bow makers stepped to the plate, PSE, Bear, Browning to name a few. I soon bought a PSE and was back in the game. With 65% let-off, I could hold on a 70# but at times it was agonizing. Then I bought another PSE with 60# and 85% let-off. This was around 2000 and I had it until a couple of years ago. Bursitis was once again playing hell with the shoulders and I could not draw the bow let alone hold it. So I replaced it with a crossbow a year ago this month. Now they're going to exclude me because of my choice because it has optics. How else are you supposed to aim them, there is no other method of mounting sights. Regardless, should this regulation become the way, I shall file a discrimination charge against the government and the advising participants.
    As I said elsewhere, " ALL THIS REGULATION DOES IS FURTHER EXCLUDE SENIOR ARCHERY HUNTERS SUCH AS MYSELF FROM PARTAKING IN THE QUIET VENUE OF THE ARCHERY SEASON."
    I am not for the scope ban on xbows . BUT if it does become a regulation there are open sights for xbows . Not all will be lost . It doesnt mean that cross bows wont be able to be used .
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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    There’s a growing number of resident hunters that do not recognize them as their voice.
    The need to be kicked away from any table that deals with hunting and wildlife regulation making.
    We may as well have the WDL or Raincoast sitting in as our rep.....in fact we’d be better off.
    At least we’d know our opponents are going to screw us over....we have a hard time admitting we’re gonna get it from our own “team”.
    You mean, like, the GOABC and the rest of the cronies that make up the Wildlife Stewardship Council? I'd hardly call them a friend of the resident hunter, would you? Fat chance anyone's voice could be heard above the clamor of that parliament of magpies.
    BearValley, you have a seat at the table, so who proposed the "cross"bow scope ban and who supported it?
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