Thoughts on the shortage of moose.

[lucky1]

http://www.env.gov.nl.ca/env/moose_plan.pdf

Interesting stuff. Is there a BC one like this?

Edit: Nevermind, I found it!
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife...agement_bc.pdf

[curt]

VERY TRUE HOWEVER IT IS ALSO VERY COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT OPENING UP VAST AMOUNTS OF COUNTRY MAKES IT CONSIDERABLY EASIER FOR ALL PREDATORS TO PREY. THEY CATCH THE CRITTERS OUT IN THE OPEN MORE FREQUENTLY THE BIO'S HAVE ALSO BEEN RECORDING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS DECLINES IN POPULATIONS WHERE EXTENSIVE BEETLE KILL HARVEST IS HAPPENING....... THERE EXPLANATION DUE TO EASY ACCESS TO BETTER HABITAT IMPACTS THE POPULATION!! but who know I could be wrong lol

Pretty sure the wolves knew how to kill moose before a road was ever put into place....but who knows I could be wrong lol

[srupp]

Ya pretty easy for pavk of wolves to enter a massive cutblock and see a moose 2 kms away. .the rest is easy peasy..
Srupp

[358mag]

Ya pretty easy for pavk of wolves to enter a massive cutblock and see a moose 2 kms away. .the rest is easy peasy..
Srupp

Or a pack of FN's in a F-150 with high power spot lights .
You may be able to stop one group with deactivated roads , but the other group will still have a hay day

[Drillbit]

Or a pack of FN's in a F-150 with high power spot lights .
You may be able to stop one group with deactivated roads , but the other group will still have a hay da

Exactly.
De-activating roads isn't a solution to the problem.

More predator killing is.

[bearvalley]

Exactly.
De-activating roads isn't a solution to the problem.

More predator killing is.

Reducing predators will be one of the tools needed to stop the decline in moose populations and it's going to be damn tough to get a large enough drop in wolf numbers with just using bullets and traps.
Hunting can drop bear and cougar densities if needed.
On top of that we need to restore the environment/habitat that moose need to thrive in. To recreate moose habitat we need to consider access management, logging and silviculture practices and the use of chemical brushing programs.
It's interesting to note that a few of the collared moose in recent areas being studied due to the population decline were found to have died from malnutrition.
We also need to consider the excessive tick loads to moose in some areas due to the mild winters and the possibility of diseases in moose that they were not known to have before as contributors to the decline.
My personal observation of the FN harvest is that they are taking less game than in the past. There are bad actors in every group but I don't believe they deserve the blame for the decline that some are giving to them.
Yesterday I ran into an old time Chilcotin guide outfitter, now retired. The current moose crash topic came up and his one comment that really stuck was..."50 years ago in the Chilcotin it was not that common to see tracks of a wolf pack and if you did someone dealt with them....now they're everywhere."
It's going to take the application of a few tools to rebound moose numbers.
Shutting down the hunting of bull moose is just an unnessary bandaid...unless the bull/cow ratio has gotten to a low enough level that the hunt needs to end for the future viability of the species in a localized area.

[srupp]

Hmmm very true about the wolf increase...literally exploding numbers everywhere..no the deactivation of the rds wont stop wolves but reforestation. .then rd closures..
Moose are not starving in the cariboo. .anywhere..
As far as fn hunting..pretty easy to see moose hanging pretty much most of the year..easier when its colder..less bugs..easier to keep the meat edible. .no one on the rez is in want of wikd meat protein. .
Its going to be numerous strategies..biggest 2..wolves..and unregulated cow harvest..
Cheers

[mpotzold]

Reducing predators will be one of the tools needed to stop the decline in moose populations and it's going to be damn tough to get a large enough drop in wolf numbers with just using bullets and traps.
Hunting can drop bear and cougar densities if needed.
On top of that we need to restore the environment/habitat that moose need to thrive in. To recreate moose habitat we need to consider access management, logging and silviculture practices and the use of chemical brushing programs.
It's interesting to note that a few of the collared moose in recent areas being studied due to the population decline were found to have died from malnutrition.
We also need to consider the excessive tick loads to moose in some areas due to the mild winters and the possibility of diseases in moose that they were not known to have before as contributors to the decline.
My personal observation of the FN harvest is that they are taking less game than in the past. There are bad actors in every group but I don't believe they deserve the blame for the decline that some are giving to them.
Yesterday I ran into an old time Chilcotin guide outfitter, now retired. The current moose crash topic came up and his one comment that really stuck was..."50 years ago in the Chilcotin it was not that common to see tracks of a wolf pack and if you did someone dealt with them....now they're everywhere."
It's going to take the application of a few tools to rebound moose numbers.
Shutting down the hunting of bull moose is just an unnessary bandaid...unless the bull/cow ratio has gotten to a low enough level that the hunt needs to end for the future viability of the species in a localized area.

AGREE!

TNG supports project to recover moose


Tl’etinqox-t’in elders Dinah and William Billyboy and TNG Chair and Chief Joe Alphonse join Dan Simmons’ Cow Moose Sign Project in an effort to help recover the struggling moose populations in the Cariboo Chilcotin.



This is a good start!

http://www.wltribune.com/news/338544402.html

[srupp]

Lol...great PR photo op..far from reality..hasnt saved 1 cow moose..nor her unborn calves...

Way more complicated than post a photo save a cow..Chief Joe..pretty good guy..but not a lot even he can do....

[boxhitch]

Good to see the signs.
Public knowledge then public pressure then peer pressure from the surrounding community will certainly help.