southern interior mule deer strategy?

[bownut]

[QUOTE=Stone Sheep Steve;1881953][QUOTE=bownut;1881943]

For sure.

Was just down at the sheep count and our deer seasons were front and centre of the discussion.

There were some guys there from Rock Creeek voicing their concerns over the whitetail seasons so there was an opportunity to sit and listen to things that I already knew.
Even though they had their concerns they listened with open ears and learned why the seasons were put in place.

Then at the end they were asked what their observations were on mule deer in their area and they agreed that they had seen the most mulies in recent times.
Anecdotal evidence but you say they need to listen to hunters.

SSS

Can I quote you on that when I call them, who were these individuals?

[Stone Sheep Steve]

[QUOTE=bownut;1881976][QUOTE=Stone Sheep Steve;1881953]

Can I quote you on that when I call them, who were these individuals?

The bio knows me both from this site and personally. He might have the sign up sheet with their info since our towns were part of the info.

Nothing to hide here.

[Stone Sheep Steve]

I guess what I am trying to say is that the BCWF involvement in management has created many wrong doings in wildlife management.
They have lost touch with reality when they focused on increasing the hunter numbers without much regard to wildlife management.
I am not the only one who feels this way and as a long time member that has supported them with my time and efforts I will no longer be a member.
Looking for a better representation seems to be the trend lately, and I am sadden to say this.

Biologist will continue to do great things as long as the funds are available and it will be other organizations with a better understanding of cause and effect
that will come to the forefront.

Sad to see that the BCWF has spread themselves out so thin, they are now facing a long uphill battle that will unnecessarily draw funds and energy from the organization.

Ask yourself why?

Do you remember the process involved to take a regulation proposal from the concept at the club level to get it accepted and become a regulation either regionally or provincially?

[GoatGuy]

I will ask again:

So to paraphrase you think wildlife management was good/decent until the last 10 years. You define the last 10 years as poor due to hunting seasons.

Do you have any evidence to support that belief?

Not Hunting Seasons, Management Practices that lead to poor decisions in the name of Opportunity.

The evidence is slowly unfolding, watch and learn. Look at the records from 2014 to 2016 and watch the trends for the next few years.
It will be perfectly clear if your still involved.

It so interesting how a Statistic Specialist, and a Accountant can play Biologist, their decisions will have more of a effect than
mine ever will.

I sure hope I am wrong I would be the first guy on this site to admit to that.

Which poor management practices have been employed in the last 10 years as compared to the last 20, 30 or 40?

Secondly, and getting back to the original question, do you have any evidence to support your assertion that in the last 10 years management has gone from good/decent to poor?

[Ourea]

I guess what I am trying to say is that the BCWF involvement in management has created many wrong doings in wildlife management.
They have lost touch with reality when they focused on increasing the hunter numbers without much regard to wildlife management.
I am not the only one who feels this way and as a long time member that has supported them with my time and efforts I will no longer be a member.
Looking for a better representation seems to be the trend lately, and I am sadden to say this.

Biologist will continue to do great things as long as the funds are available and it will be other organizations with a better understanding of cause and effect
that will come to the forefront.

Sad to see that the BCWF has spread themselves out so thin, they are now facing a long uphill battle that will unnecessarily draw funds and energy from the organization.

Ask yourself why?

Your comments r somewhat concerning.
You have been all over the map with ur perspective on a few threads.
How do you see fixing the issue?
Criticizing or supporting solution?

[HarryToolips]

[QUOTE=bownut;1881861]

Obviously, you think this review of a regulation change within 4 years of the season's implementation never happened.

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife...rov_review.pdf

And I can understand why you think it never happened. And that's because it shows the season to be completely sustainable, and that's contrary to your hoped-for outcome.[/QUOTE

Your not listening to anything I said so why should I reply to your statements.

"OUR PRESNT DAY COUNTING SYSTEM SUCKS" GET WITH THE TIMES!

An average hunter takes a better inventory of our game population than our biologists get funded to do. (Trail cameras, time spent in the field.)
Ranchers know more about predators than a biologist get funded to study, they can't afford not to.
A Back country horsemen knows more about the alpine mule deer than a biologist gets paid to study.

You see the connection? No money, No study, No Clue.


I have reviewed a some of the studies from the States it makes BC Coles Notes look like a joke.
They just don't have the money to make a conclusive report. Maybe ask a few Biologist and see what they say.

A good portion of hunters are road hunters, and I have heard many times from different hunters road hunting that the game populations are way down, when in fact the majority of game has adjusted to the pressure, so I would not say the average hunter takes a better inventory...

[HarryToolips]

[QUOTE=Stone Sheep Steve;1881953][QUOTE=bownut;1881943]

For sure.

Was just down at the sheep count and our deer seasons were front and centre of the discussion.

There were some guys there from Rock Creeek voicing their concerns over the whitetail seasons so there was an opportunity to sit and listen to things that I already knew.
Even though they had their concerns they listened with open ears and learned why the seasons were put in place.

Then at the end they were asked what their observations were on mule deer in their area and they agreed that they had seen the most mulies in recent times.
Anecdotal evidence but you say they need to listen to hunters.

SSS

Exactly...my workmate has property in 8-14, he's now getting some mulies on his property...it had been YEARS since he last had mulies on his property...he is also getting them on his cams and seeing them higher up in the area, including some nice bucks...maybe the WT doe season is helping them after all....unfortunately, more wolf sign is also in the area....

[bownut]

Your correct criticizing is non productive and this site is full of it, sometimes you bark back.
I was asked how I felt and why, I listed things that I felt could improve our present practices.
Thats all I was trying to do, also if organizations like the BCWF don't involve outside interests like they say they do,
the membership will feel the pain.

Like I said, my feeling won't effect wildlife as much as some others will, and it them that need to tread softly.

These wildlife management questions should be re directed back to the original Wildlife Thread to avoid confusion. Sorry.

[bownut]

I will ask again:







Which poor management practices have been employed in the last 10 years as compared to the last 20, 30 or 40?

Secondly, and getting back to the original question, do you have any evidence to support your assertion that in the last 10 years management has gone from good/decent to poor?

Back at you

Where has there been a successful wildlife story in BC in the past ten years.
Something thats been done by Government and the BCWF thats made a notable difference?

I am not talking some bird recovery project either, not that I hate birds.
Wouldn't want anyone confused and start another attack.

[bownut]

Do you remember the process involved to take a regulation proposal from the concept at the club level to get it accepted and become a regulation either regionally or provincially?

Yes I do and I can remember clearly how one stacked club could effect the regional decision . Hmmmm?