Validity of I.B.E.P. ?

[Bow Walker]

I've started this thread because we were hi-jacking the I.B.E.P. course notification thread at this address...

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=17631

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Re: Official IBEP Bowhunting Course in Victoria Feb 2 and 3rd.
As GG said in an earlier post,Core teaches proper gun handling and where you are supposed to shoot deer. Where does the novice bowhunter learn these things? The vast majority on this site would say "Who cares". The legitamate bowhunters care, thats who. As far as loosing the opportunistc bowhunters, that is a good thing. I don't think bowhunting needs or wants the kind of press the one week a year bowhunter gives us. Bow hunting is NOT rifle hunting and some instruction in bowhunting should be mandatory. I don't think even rifle hunters want wounded deer,shot by opportunistic bowhunters, running around in the bush. Mandatory IBEP is a huge step in preventing this.

Onesock - I brought you over to this thread because you were the last one to post about this subject. Hopefully you will follow this thread as well.

The sentence in your statement that is bolded is one that I dispute and dis-believe. I doubt that the vast majority are as uncaring about hunter educations as you seem to think.

Other than that, I agree with everything else that you said.

[Blk Arrow]

What I believe we have here are several issues which need to be addressed. The IBEP course is merely bait in what is a true kettle of fish. Probably the single most important issue for hunter survival, and that includes all hunters, is public perception.

1. A mandatory bow hunting course would probably provide a small headline in the bowels of a paper. Put that headline with the recurring image of the doe in Ontario with a crossbow bolt in her neck and now you have front page news!!

2. Archery clubs need to present an inviting place for families to come to try archery. I got into archery and bow hunting because my then eight year old daughter liked archery at guide camp. I was fortunate to know someone in a club that got her and then my son and I started. The kids are the future of hunting and archery does not provide the same stigma of guns. Let’s use that to our advantage!

3.Does anyone really want more red tape?

4.Can we legislate proficiency with a weapon? Any weapon!! Every year people go hunting without proper knowledge of their weapons and their own personal limitations with those weapons. This results in wounded game and ammunition for the anti-hunting groups. Practice, Practice, Practice. It’s cheap and green. We recycle our ammunition over and over.




I apologize for the rambling. I believe the IBEP to be a valuable course that should be promoted within the archery community, but not mandated. There is no magic bullet, ah arrow.

[Will]

What I believe we have here are several issues which need to be addressed. The IBEP course is merely bait in what is a true kettle of fish. Probably the single most important issue for hunter survival, and that includes all hunters, is public perception.

1. A mandatory bow hunting course would probably provide a small headline in the bowels of a paper. Put that headline with the recurring image of the doe in Ontario with a crossbow bolt in her neck and now you have front page news!!

2. Archery clubs need to present an inviting place for families to come to try archery. I got into archery and bow hunting because my then eight year old daughter liked archery at guide camp. I was fortunate to know someone in a club that got her and then my son and I started. The kids are the future of hunting and archery does not provide the same stigma of guns. Let’s use that to our advantage!

3.Does anyone really want more red tape?

4.Can we legislate proficiency with a weapon? Any weapon!! Every year people go hunting without proper knowledge of their weapons and their own personal limitations with those weapons. This results in wounded game and ammunition for the anti-hunting groups. Practice, Practice, Practice. It’s cheap and green. We recycle our ammunition over and over.




I apologize for the rambling. I believe the IBEP to be a valuable course that should be promoted within the archery community, but not mandated. There is no magic bullet, ah arrow.

Words of wisdom.........

[Hank Hunter]

THE VAST MAJORITY ON THIS SITE WOULD SAY WHO CARES

We really need to unite as hunters regardless of hunting methods

[Bow Walker]

Can anyone truly say that they believe the "vast majority on this site would say "who cares?""

I give THE VAST MAJORITY of HBC'ers much more credit than that!

Although not everyone takes the time to express their point of view, I would say - with certainty - that the "vast majority" are very concerned about the future of the sport of Hunting. In whatever form that takes, be it game or fowl.

Public perception of hunting and hunters is in dire need of a good publications expert. We need to have the general public aware of the benefits of regular open seasons on game animals and also on waterfowl (as huntwriter has stated).

Take the extra season(s) for the Snow Goose as an example. They devastated vast areas of tundra in their breeding grounds. They still are devastating the areas. They strip the land of any - and every - kind of edible vegetation, leaving barren ground behind them. The Federal gov't, in their wisdom, deemed it necessary to reduce the population significantly to both save the ecology and to preserve the integrity of the species.

There was lots of "advertising" and "public awareness" about the efforts of our "ecologically minded" government officials. They were perceived as doing the right thing for the species.

Hunting in general needs that kind of good press. But where to get it from?

[bsa30-06]

What I believe we have here are several issues which need to be addressed. The IBEP course is merely bait in what is a true kettle of fish. Probably the single most important issue for hunter survival, and that includes all hunters, is public perception.

1. A mandatory bow hunting course would probably provide a small headline in the bowels of a paper. Put that headline with the recurring image of the doe in Ontario with a crossbow bolt in her neck and now you have front page news!!

2. Archery clubs need to present an inviting place for families to come to try archery. I got into archery and bow hunting because my then eight year old daughter liked archery at guide camp. I was fortunate to know someone in a club that got her and then my son and I started. The kids are the future of hunting and archery does not provide the same stigma of guns. Let’s use that to our advantage!

3.Does anyone really want more red tape?

4.Can we legislate proficiency with a weapon? Any weapon!! Every year people go hunting without proper knowledge of their weapons and their own personal limitations with those weapons. This results in wounded game and ammunition for the anti-hunting groups. Practice, Practice, Practice. It’s cheap and green. We recycle our ammunition over and over.




I apologize for the rambling. I believe the IBEP to be a valuable course that should be promoted within the archery community, but not mandated. There is no magic bullet, ah arrow.

I agree well said.I dont see how making acourse like this mandatory is going to make anybody a better shot.I also dont see it stopping the so called guys that are just taking advantage of the extra season from still doing so.I'm sure some will take the course and put the bows back in the closet till hunting season, and pull them back out.

[Bow Walker]

I agree that making the course mandatory won't make archers a better shot - only practice can do that - and it won't help get rid of the opportunistic hunters. It's not designed to do either of those things.

Making the I.B.E.P. course mandatory to get a bow hunting license will only increase the validity and the perception (in the eyes of the "public") of our comittment to our sport. It'll go a long way to showing that we don't belong in the category of the "Deliverance" type of backwoods rednecks.

Bowhunters are, by and large, a responsible group of normal people. It happens that we just like to get out into the outdoors and away from the Latte and Cappuccino crowds. While we are out there we like to pit our skills against the wild animals that we hunt.

[Will]

Making the I.B.E.P. course mandatory to get a bow hunting license will only increase the validity and the perception (in the eyes of the "public") of our comittment to our sport. It'll go a long way to showing that we don't belong in the category of the "Deliverance" type of backwoods rednecks.

If the Current License and CORE requiremenst don't do "squat" to increase the validity and perception in the eyes of the public now.........exactly what difference will yet another Course/ license do ?

[bsa30-06]

Bow Walker I don't agree sorry.Using that logic the CORE program should have changed the publics perception on hunters in general,and that obviously has not happened, as every article printed in the papers is all about bad mouthing hunters and hunting.Don't get me wrong i think the course could be a very usefull tool for bowhunters, but i dont think making it mandatory is going to make the public perception of hunters any better,and arent there enough mandatory loop holes to jump thru already.Who and how would regulate and keep track of people bowhunting? would you have to buy a special license to prove you took the course?How much is it going to cost to set up and administer such a program?I just dont see this as being a feasible solution to changing the public perception of hunters.Just my opinion.

[bsa30-06]

If the Current License and CORE requiremenst don't do "squat" to increase the validity and perception in the eyes of the public now.........exactly what difference will yet another Course/ license do ?

Will i think you and i thinking the same way here.