Restoration of Grizzly Bears in Northern Cascades (Washington)

[Retiredguy]

That was brought up previously before the total ban went in place...and from what I was told the response from the 'Stop the Trophy Hunt' squad was that they immediately saw right through the ruse, and said if it is not a trophy hunt then the hunter would have to leave the hide and skull in the bush and only take the meat out. It is what I was told by a person involved and lobbying to keep the hunt...can't say it surprised me really. The opposition is not brain dead and they have a plan and a lot of backing.

[stoneramhunter]

That was brought up previously before the total ban went in place...and from what I was told the response from the 'Stop the Trophy Hunt' squad was that they immediately saw right through the ruse, and said if it is not a trophy hunt then the hunter would have to leave the hide and skull in the bush and only take the meat out. It is what I was told by a person involved and lobbying to keep the hunt...can't say it surprised me really. The opposition is not brain dead and they have a plan and a lot of backing.

not sure that is correct ive never heard that stance from the anti hunters not to say it hasn't been raised. It's clear that biologists welcome information from the skull from many animals elk for example and sheep also to confirm it was a legal kill. Not saying that grizzly had to be inspected only that the argument doesnt fly. puting aside anti hunters the majority of people who do not hunt are not against hunting just trophy hunting and not harvesting the meat.

[Iron Glove]

That was brought up previously before the total ban went in place...and from what I was told the response from the 'Stop the Trophy Hunt' squad was that they immediately saw right through the ruse, and said if it is not a trophy hunt then the hunter would have to leave the hide and skull in the bush and only take the meat out. It is what I was told by a person involved and lobbying to keep the hunt...can't say it surprised me really. The opposition is not brain dead and they have a plan and a lot of backing.

I've posted @ this in past but a number of years ago there was a "Ban The Grizzly Hunt" presentation one night so I attended, driving the Wife's Subaru and wearing MEC clothing so I wouldn't look out of place. After all the speakers and videos ( well done BTW ) I identified as a Hunter and it got interesting. I think I held my own but one against 70 or so is rough. I stayed very polite at all times, just politely asked, and answered questions. After it was over I went up to the guy doing the presentation, told him it was a great presentation but asked if he would consider things like meat retention, harvest based on actual Grizzly counts and such but he simply said "No, I want to ban Grizzly hunts completely."

[stoneramhunter]

I've posted @ this in past but a number of years ago there was a "Ban The Grizzly Hunt" presentation one night so I attended, driving the Wife's Subaru and wearing MEC clothing so I wouldn't look out of place. After all the speakers and videos ( well done BTW ) I identified as a Hunter and it got interesting. I think I held my own but one against 70 or so is rough. I stayed very polite at all times, just politely asked, and answered questions. After it was over I went up to the guy doing the presentation, told him it was a great presentation but asked if he would consider things like meat retention, harvest based on actual Grizzly counts and such but he simply said "No, I want to ban Grizzly hunts completely."

As i said earlier there are anti hunters advocating abolishing hunting period.That is not the case for most people they are not anti hunting simply want you to take all the meat out and not make it simply a trophy hunt. I don't disagree its a bad look.

[high horse Hal]

Did you happen to find out who was paying his salary? Interesting how so many advocates for this and that are making a living pushing that rock up hill
South Okanagan National Park comes to mind, lots of news while the staff was being paid to push

I've posted @ this in past but a number of years ago there was a "Ban The Grizzly Hunt" presentation one night so I attended, driving the Wife's Subaru and wearing MEC clothing so I wouldn't look out of place. After all the speakers and videos ( well done BTW ) I identified as a Hunter and it got interesting. I think I held my own but one against 70 or so is rough. I stayed very polite at all times, just politely asked, and answered questions. After it was over I went up to the guy doing the presentation, told him it was a great presentation but asked if he would consider things like meat retention, harvest based on actual Grizzly counts and such but he simply said "No, I want to ban Grizzly hunts completely."

[Iron Glove]

Did you happen to find out who was paying his salary? Interesting how so many advocates for this and that are making a living pushing that rock up hill
South Okanagan National Park comes to mind, lots of news while the staff was being paid to push

It was some sort of a "Save The Bears" group, unfortunately I can't find any of the glossy info they handed out at the time. They did seem to have a lot of FN "backing", the "show" had been travelling around BC a lot. I did meet a Lady there who is very involved with saving Bears of all sorts, rescues, rehab, whatever and we had a good chat after about some of the aspects of Grizzly hunting. At one point in the "show" there was a somewhat horrid video of an American hunt where the Grizzly took a number of shots, tumbled down a mountain side, etc. At another stage we "discussed" how hunting for food was so wrong but buying chicken and beef at the local Supermarket was ethically far better. I politely pointed out that in most cases hunters dispatch their game a lot more "ethically" and efficiently than the Fraser Valley chicken farm that had been featured on TV showing the "workers" throwing chickens against the walls and such.

[jeremy84]

I only started hunting in 2015/16 so i didnt get the opportunity to hunt for grizzly bear. Is Grizzly bear meat not very paletable? I think if i had the opportunity i would have hunted for them and had i been sucessful i would have taken the meat. I honestly hope that one day they reopen grizzly hunting but with the requirement of retaining all edible portions of meat.

[stoneramhunter]

I only started hunting in 2015/16 so i didnt get the opportunity to hunt for grizzly bear. Is Grizzly bear meat not very paletable? I think if i had the opportunity i would have hunted for them and had i been sucessful i would have taken the meat. I honestly hope that one day they reopen grizzly hunting but with the requirement of retaining all edible portions of meat.

I have never had grizzly meat but i do know a few hunters who have thought it was okay i guess the cut and whether its a coastal bear or mountain and when you harvested it would have a bearing.

[HappyJack]

I never hunted grizzly bears but I could see the value in the trophy hunts. Leaving those old boars to just die and rot isn't any better than having them end up on someone's wall. Since the ban they have become nothing more than worthless and dangerous vermin, they hold no commercial value for anyone but some bear viewing companies. I imagine there are a lot just shot and left these days, just like a ground hog.

[Redthies]

I imagine there are a lot just shot and left these days, just like a ground hog.

One would hope there aren’t “a lot” shot these days, since it is illegal. That said, if my life or that of a companion is at stake, I would not hesitate to shoot any animal, be it legal currently or not. I think that goes for 99% of us.

The use of the word “trophy” needs to end, unless we are talking about car races or football championships. As hunters, we need to be responsible for, and make best use of any animal we take. I HAVE eaten Grizzly before (with a group of Mt Currie band members I knew back in the day), and my somewhat hazy recollection of it was that it was reminiscent of dark turkey meat. I’m not sure which cut I had, but it was very tasty meat. I have never shied away from trying rare and exotic meat when given the opportunity, and Grizzly is definitely one I would have again. Leaving that much meat to rot in the woods should never be legal in my opinion. We might not have nearly as many people trying to ban this or that if all useful parts of the animal are taken.